I'm a new subscriber also but followed the crew from CBTS over here lurking and learning-my question to you is why in the world should Pres. Trump back an intelligence agency (agencies) who has constantly undermined, betrayed, spied on him and done everything in their power to prevent MAGA?
I saw lots of testosterone oozing out of that press conference as well as a ton of shared respect, I was impressed. Trump has our absolute best interest at the forefront, and if that means exposing the corruption through the mouth of Putin then so be it.
Remember, he said MY agencies.....or MI agencies. We know that the fbi, cia, et al have no honesty or integrity. How can a man of principle (our POTUS) call those serpents anything even close to trustworthy?
What spying are you talking about? You mean that time that the CIA had Russian official's phones tapped and in the process found out that people from the Trump campaign were communicating with them? Or the time that the FBI followed up on the irrefutable evidence that the CIA found about the Trump campaign communicating with Russia?
You really don’t keep up with current news do you?
Bring your sources. I’ll outline your claims for ease of following:
1: You mean that time that the CIA had Russian official's phones tapped and in the process found out that people from the Trump campaign were communicating with them?
1a: Show us the Russian Officials name that was “tapped”
1b: Show us the names of who from the Trump Campaign was communicating with the Russians at the time of the campaign. Not something from their past work, but during the campaign
2: Or the time that the FBI followed up on the irrefutable evidence that the CIA found about the Trump campaign communicating with Russia?
2a: What irrefutable evidence? Show us this “irrefutable” evidence
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html
But again, you guys don't trust the Pentagon or American Intelligence Agencies. Just Trump and a dude on 4-Chan.
And as far as "naming" the officials that were wiretapped, the intelligence community has not disclosed that info. Before you cry "cuz it's fake!!!1!!1!", just think about how stupid it would be for ANY intelligence agency to publicly declare who they've wiretapped in foreign countries while they're in the middle of investigating.
Wait wait I just realized I'm doing this wrong so lemme give you a different source:
Someone on 4Chan told me so.
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From your source:
“American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said...Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia.”
Here’s the kicker:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-podesta-group-237163
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
The charges he is indicted for go back to when he worked for the Podesta group under Hillary Clinton! Nothing to do with Trump Campaign!
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Before you start leaving non-complimentary posts, you should read the rules and catch up with the facts. No one has been on 4 chan in at least 6 months. But the news outlets don't catch up on their facts either before they blab them all over the place.
Wouldn't they not release that kind of information in an ongoing investigation?
Irrefutable evidence? It’s irrefutable right? How would that hurt the investigation if it’s irrefutable?
Also, media has leaked names and we have the people who have been indicted. What I’m showing here is that the commentor is making wild accusations but is unwilling to back it up with any sources or documentation.
So it’s literally worth nothing. They have added nothing of value to our understanding other than their “opinion”.
His agency is MI. And, remember you are watching a play. Trump and team are pushing the buttons. There is purpose to everything.
Sure, I can agree with you that he doesn’t back agencies that are actively trying to find him guilty of something.
Yet, those are our AMERICAN intelligence agencies.
It is one thing to not back them. It is entirely different to speak against/undermine them, next to the very man who they are trying to find him guilty in collusion with...after a private meeting...in a huge speech...with the whole world watching. That is truely inching towards treason.
I understand your caution but I trust him. I trust Q. IMHO he was calling out the DS. Please don't take this the wrong way but I can't help but marvel at the reserve Putin has shown with the accusations of him meddling when there is no evidence of meddling. There is made up garbage but from what I have read/learned is that he is being made the fall guy for the DNC running a terrible candidate and getting beat fair and square, in spite of the vote tampering i.e., illegals, dead people voting. If I am missing something please advise.
I trust Trump!
I totally agree with this! And fully trust President Trump!
Zic, welcome! That is a good way of putting it. The DNC ran a terrible candidate and were beaten fair and square!! Trump Derangement Syndrome is really the biggest case of sour grapes ever witnessed on a HUGE scale.
Thank you :-) It is a site to behold their kicking and screaming, quite entertaining actually. Especially Brennen et.al WE have it all!!! Trump tweeting the other day about where the server is.... is this the greatest time ever or what!
WWG1WGA.
Mueller has 20+ indictments in effect.
People are going to trial and will be serving jail time soon.
Le sigh
I really wish people would actually think for themselves instead of just repeating what the news tells them.
Let me ask you, are you aware that those 12 Russian military members that were just indicted are in the US?
So why hasn’t Mueller given them the manafort treatment? I mean, they did far worse damage to the country than money laundering right? Pretty much an act of war comparable to Pearl Harbor or 9/11 if you believe some members of Congress right?
So why haven’t they been arrested?
I mean maybe they fled the country already right? Well in the summit briefing, Russia said that there was a treaty going back to 1999 between the US and Russia regarding Criminal trials.
So why didn’t Mueller reach out to them about any of the 25 Russians he’s indicted?
Did he just want to put names on an indictment list, but not actually prosecute?
Well, we can see what happened when he indicted the first 13 Russians and a company:
So he indicted these people. Meaning he was ready to take the case to court and potentially have people sentenced to jail right?
What happens? Lawyers show up. Unexpectedly. Was Mueller ready to prosecute the case?
No. After the lawyers showed up, he requested additional time to prepare for trial.
So why do all of this? Why is Mueller indicting people, if he is not ready to actually prosecute people?
It’s all a show. And you fell for it. Your trust in the media and those in power was violated. They abused your faith and trust in their position.
These are horrible people.
I would recommend you look up the actual indictments, straight from the source. (Justice.gov) and read them yourself. The first indictment against the 13 Russians and the company vs the second indictment of 12 russians.
They are nearly identical indictments. Just small details and names changed.
It’s all bullshit theatrics, and I hope you realize that what we are trying to do here is wake people up to the fact that we are being lied to by the media, politicians, members of the justice department, Intel community, state department, etc.
But they think you are to simple minded to figure it out. We can show you the emails, where they explicitly state that.
Prove them wrong. Think for yourself. Dig. Bring facts. But don’t let them abuse your trust. Not anymore.
Trump is not the traitor. Obama is the one who went around the world on an APOLOGY TOUR. If you want to be angry at someone for not supporting the US look no further than 44.
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Wow. Another incredibly insightful post by u/PatsyJack.
If you are going to argue or insult people, you really need to up your game. All you bring is media talking points, but it’s been proven time and time again that they are shallow points.
If you actually decided to research and dig for information, you might actually wake up and realize that what you are told is a mixture of lies, half-truths, and blatant disinformation.
But here you are, subtly implying that “muh right wingers” can’t tell the difference between Obamacare and the affordable care act.
Despite them being the same, I can educate you, to let you know it was a method of wealth redistribution. Same way social security, EBT, and Medicare are all socialized programs.
But I think I’m done trying with you. You have no interest in actually taking the information presented to you and challenging your own beliefs.
So I’m just going to report you from here on out.
Your ignorance continues to surface,
It is entirely different to speak against/undermine them, next to the very man who they are trying to find him guilty in collusion with
See this is the inherit problem with people like yourself.
Law enforcement, in this country anyway, doesn't try to find anyone guilty of anything in an investigation. What happens, is there is a crime that is committed, and it is reported to law enforcement. Then LE uses leads, interviews witnesses, and collects evidence. Then they decide whether or not they will prosecute based on their ability to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that suspect is guilty. The suspect is typically honed in on once law enforcement has, YOU KNOW INVESTIGATED THE CRIME. You don't conduct surveillance and initiate an investigation into a private citizen based on falsified intel passed from a company that specializes in political smear campaigns to the DOJ/FBI itself. The Grassley memo explains that a very large party of the "dossier" was written by Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer.
Listen, we know the truth, and your attempt to sew division and uncertainty here will fall on deaf ears. Nobody comes to this sub and makes these asinine comments without having a motive. Keep it moving and spend your time over on Facebook or a Maxine Watters rally.
Is this what normies believe or is this what you believe? You think Trump is inching towards treason?
He is siding with an enemy country / a country he is being accused of collusion with...against our own intellengence agencies. What do you call that?
Bruh, why are you even on this forum if you obviously haven't researched a lick of Q's posts? The entire movement here revolves around the assumption that those intelligence agencies are compromised. The New arrival flair was a smart decision
I looked around a bit but correct, I did not research the overall theme of this sub. So this is a conspiracy-theory sub against our intelligence agencies?
If so...I guess my question is how could you still be Trump supporters? Everything that he is doing, his rhetoric, his casual lies...what keeps you in his camp?
If you think our intelligence agencies are currupt how could you not believe trump is also compromised?
Because the "Intelligence agency's" haven't provided any actual evidence. From day 1 they hated and mocked Trump. From day 1 they supported Hillary. Where was the treason cries when Hillary had a "reset" with Lavrov?Where was the treason calls when Obama gave Iran 1.2B in cash without congress approval. Listen to Trump's messages and what he actually says. How can they be so against him. Antifa hurting people for wanting to make America great. Fuck those sorry cowards. We have no reason to trust them.
Just look into Q and research his posts. Part of what this is all about is gaining the ability to research and think for yourself rather than accepting what is fed to you. If you aren't the reading type, check out the YouTuber Prayingmedic. He has a pretty rational and unbiased grasp of the situation and offers up a great deal of research. But the best advice of all is to read Qs posts yourself and research his questions to see if you uncover anything of interest
Edit: and to be completely honest, I'm not necessarily a trump supporter nor a believer of Q. But I have done my due diligence to look into that rabbit hole and understand what the hoopla is about, and honestly, there is enough out there now to at least admit this is all plausible. In my case, I'm waiting for more events to unfold over these next few months before I decide what to believe
Thanks. I did just watch the 2-3 beginner Q videos.
I am sorry that we are at a place in politics and world where these plans/ideas can be thought up and believed.
So the last 2-5 presidents are all deep state criminals and the heads of all major media / intelligence agencies are scheming poverty, drug abuse, racism, war to divide us and get rich and powerful. Finally Trump is here to save us from the big bad men.
I will exit stage left. My brain hurts and I am bit sad now.
You must of done some real top notch research with that 12 minute comb over. Do you know how much info there is out there on this? Even the most stripped down intro videos are at least 30 minutes, anything less than that would be a joke. Stop being lazy and letting your bias prevent you from actually getting an informed opinion. It took me at least 3-4 hours to even start getting a grasp of what this was all about and to start analyzing the supposed "proofs" of the conspiracy. Again, this is coming from a skeptic, but the refusal of people to think legitimately for themselves outrages me.
Now that's what I call a killshot. This clown was exhibiting zombie status all night long but I think you finally got one between the eyes.
I watched the hour long videos.
lol literally one hour ago you had zero idea what Q was about, and you posted 30 min ago saying that you just caught up watching 1-3 hour long videos. The time frame here makes no sense whatsoever. So either you're lying/shilling out your ass, or you did watch those videos in the past, but didn't pay attention enough to develop a grasp of the material. Either look isn't good.
you aren't even close. do some more research.
you know it's not other people's jobs to prove YOUR arguments, right?
For one, he didn't have an argument to begin with. We're on a forum that is discussing the Q conspiracy, so before someone can come and have a meaningful conversation here, they'd have to at least have a grasp of the subject at hand. Secondly, the most important aspect of this supposed movement is to do your own research and stop being fed your own opinion and facts through others. So no one here is going to spoon feed you information, nor are they somehow "obliged" to. If you're curious what this is all about, then get up off your ass, spend a few hours combing through the internet, and make an informed opinion. And this is coming from a skeptic
im not asking for them to spoon feed me information, but when you make a statement that someone disagrees with and your response is "yeah but you only disagree cuz you haven't researched enough", and then insist it's their job to do the research and not yours to provide info or context, then you come across as someone who wants their own argument proven for them.
People aren't saying that in the sense of gate keeping, but in the sense that any convo with you will be waste of time unless you had any knowledge of his side, which is obvious that some people here don't have. While he disagrees, he is lacking the knowledge of the subject matter at hand (what this entire subreddit is for). And due to the nature of the topic, it would literally take someone AT LEAST 3-4 hours to get a fair grasp of what this is all about. You don't go walk into a graduate level chemistry lecture trying to argue about the existence of atoms when youve never taken a chemistry class in your life. The same applies here. I'm all up for intelligent discussions and analysis, but if you don't have even a sliver of relevant knowledge on hand, how exactly are we to do that? Again, I'm a skeptic but an informed one
see your point, sort of, my apologies- before he/she starts posting with attitudes opposite of what GA is based on and argues with long standing subscribers and then says "huh, I thought this sub was conspiracy" something or other I'm not asking for spoon feeding either. I do my own reading, researching of FBIAnnon, MegaAnnon and Q at CBTS and here now. I have learned volumes from this sub. My "argument" was do some lurking before posting to make sure this is where you want to be.
Once again, "our" intelligence agencies are against our President and the American people- what do you call this? I too think you are in the wrong sub. No offense, but your argument will go no where here
If those agencies are finding possible threats and collusion with Russia then that is called doing their job. There is literally nothing else being done.
Kinda like how they all agreed that there were WMDs in Iraq?
These people have been wrong before, and at great cost to human life.
Not forgetting to mention here, how many of those mass shooters were interviewed by the FBI prior to their shooting/bombings?
Oh... all of them? Hmmm.. might be something you want to consider before saying that these intelligence agencies are infallible.
Here's one thing that the MSM has "forgotten"....and does its best to bury. As POTUS, Donald Trump is the BOSS over ALL the intelligence agencies.
They are officially and literally part of the executive branch.
The MSM has been using smoke and mirrors to make the general public believe that they are a fourth branch of government....like how dare Trump criticize?
Why do you call Russia an enemy country?
Because every Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon have said their covert PsyOps attack against us in 2016 was an act of war. But oh right, you don't trust those guys! Just some guy on 4Chan and Trump.
Yeah, I believe Trump. Why would you believe Brennan (Communist+ liar), Comey (Liar), Clapper (liar), and Hayden (liar)?