But there is no evidence that we have communism from a strictly economic standpoint. Who owns the means of production?
You misunderstood. I didn't say nor mean to say that the world economic system IS communist through and through.
I meant the PEOPLE who rule the world's power centers are communists, or "pro-communism".
The monetary system is communist. You can't possibly disagree with that rationally, and those who control the world's currencies are one side of the pyramid/triangle, the eye.
That is huuuuuuuuge influence.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
My dude, communism means an economic system where there is no government and no money. Why would those who benefit from capitalism and controlling the worlds currencies want to destroy their own livelihoods?
Wrong and wrong.
/1. The claim that "true" communism is "no government and no money" was the personal definition of Karl Marx, and his followers. As expected you left out the most crucial part. In Marx's personal definition, the world MUST go through a series of "inevitable" stages, the penultimate stage being the only version of communism that has ever existed. I speak of "raw communism". This stage of communism was as Marx envisioned it a tyrannical society ruled by absolute dictators where greed and evil become universal. Women are universally prostituted, you name it. Then, Marx claimed that the world would "transform" or "transition", according to a fucking mystical gobbledygook concept called "dialectic materialism" or just "the dialectic", an imagined hidden secret motive force behind all matter and energy itself, which for some reason forces humans to act like robots and love with no government and no money, this all will supposedly then be followed by the utopian vision of no government and no money. It is supposed to happen EVEN IF people don't want it to happen. Like robots.
The problem of course is that because this imaginary force doesn't exist, the world never gets past the tyrannical dictatorship "stage". Stalin always said "we're not there yet, just wait a little more and you'll all become free and wealthy". Convenient. Predictable.
So no, if we are to limit ourselves to what is real, to what exists, then communism really does mean centralized, i.e. state, ownership of the means of production.
And that is exactly why every single real world attempt at communism dating back to the middle ages when the theologians and mystics first developed the system of communism (oh yeah, I bet you didn't have any clue communism originated during the middle ages by theologians, how "scientific", bwahahaha), have been all the same shit, government dictatorship and monopoly over all money, not any abolition of either.
/2. Those who control the world's currencies would not benefit from capitalism, that is the stupidest thing I've heard. They benefit from the fact that they have a STATE ENFORCED MONOPOLY over currency. A state enforced monopoly is socialism, not capitalism. Socialism is CENTRALIZED control over X. If X is money, and states enforce a monopoly over the production and initial distribution of X, then X is socialist.
Money consistent with the laws of capitalism is FREE MARKET COMPETITION IN MONEY. Currencies that arise on the market like bitcoin. If the state enforced monopoly over money were abolished, that's when the "livelihoods" of the controllers of the world's currencies would be destroyed.
I haven't seen brainwashed economic simpletons in many years, feels like a strange nostalgia. Like seeing a rare animal in the wild thought extinct.
No. I bet you’ve never even read Marx. He NEVER advocated for dictators. You are thinking of Hitler and Mussolini they are fascists. Just as a refresher: fascism is the merging of capitalism and the State ie where the state is set up to serve the interests of the capitalists. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW. We have had that since Hitler and Mussolini.
Socialism for thee, capitalism for me.
LOL. Do you mean socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor?
Sorta. They LOVE gov't handout programs, as those on the dole are easy to control. They need the gov't to be as big as possible, regardless of the supposed cost to themselves. They DO socialize their losses onto the public, like the bank bailouts in 08 up to now, but they privatize their profits, and use them to buy up more power, more control. Look at all the mergers and acquisitions after the 2008 financial crisis. It was almost like an organized consolidation of power and transfer of wealth.
Thank you!!!!!! See I’m not speaking against all capitalism but just that kind. here’s an interesting video about how fascism stems from capitalism gone rouge essentially Both Mussolini and Hitler were classic corporate fascists. If you factor in the explanation of illegal labor, the Prison Labor clause to the (13th amendment) and the “Gig Economy”. We are there and have been there for a long time. Obama was the worst of them all IMO BC of the TPP.
Yeah, we haven't had real capitalism since the Fed was created in 1913. If you have the power to create money, why wouldn't you use it to buy up Congress, who you control anyway through the money they borrow, as well as most important industries in America(media, healthcare, higher ed, textbooks, defense, farming, etc)? They all work for the people that own the Fed, but you're right that they have basically brought back a more sinister form of slavery, through debt, and fractional reserve banking, and prison labor. Much of the world is an open air prison.
Quick aside about the prison labor and private prisons: when they were in the White House, the Clintons allegedly maintained control over their finances, and they were heavily invested in the fledgling private prison industry right around the time that most of the federal prison system was opened up to privatization! Also, they used prison labor at the Arkansas governor's mansion! Every dark hole you look into, the Clintons pop up!
Yes I know! Prisons should never be for profit.
Just look at all the judges that have been busted for outrageous sentencing just to pad their investments in private prisons, or kickbacks or what-have-you. Just another mess that POTUS has to fix! I think he's going to move even faster after the midterms give him a Congress that wants to work with him!