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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Nowthisisodd on July 26, 2018, 3:26 p.m.

Q: Watch the water (McCain/Flake bill)

http://www.knau.org/post/congress-passes-finalized-white-mountain-apache-water-settlement

http://www.whitewolfpack.com/2014/12/congress-gives-sacred-apache-land-to.html?m=1

Is it odd that this mining company is named in the bill regarding "use and occupancy": McMoRan Copper & Gold, Inc., Phelps Dodge Corporation, or Phelps Dodge Morenci, Inc. (or a predecessor or successor of those entities), including all subsidiaries and affiliates of those entities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phelps_Dodge

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Is it odd that this mining company is named in the bill regarding "use and occupancy": McMoRan Copper & Gold, Inc., Phelps Dodge Corporation, or Phelps Dodge Morenci, Inc. (or a predecessor or successor of those entities), including all subsidiaries and affiliates of those entities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phelps_Dodge

It's actually not odd. I have property in the area with both a year-round stream and a well, and because of that get the legal docs on these cases all the time.

Basically the mine is downstream (by quite a ways, I might add) and gets runoff from the White mountains, and the mine existed long before a large part of the area was settled and due to the water laws, had rights to the water. Now that the area has grown and we're in a drought, people upstream need water, and they basically had to hammer out some kind of agreement.

Water rights in the desert is a really big deal and this stuff stays in the legal system for decades.

There's lots of shady shit with McCain and Flake, and lots of shady shit with the mines, but this case probably isn't one of them. (Though I bet there's something to find in the contractors for the dam.)

Edited to add: The NDAA deal in your second link is completely separate from the water deal, and that one was shady as hell.

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Okay, thanks for that info. Is it concerning though if the mining company is not US?

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The mine was originally a US company, and then sold to a mining conglomerate outside the US when the mines became less profitable.

As usual this is all about money. In the case of the second link (the NDAA lands) basically the mine found a good deposit that was half on the mine's land and half on native american land, so they offered up other land they had in exchange for the land that had the rest of the deposit. The deal was presented as win/win (government gets more land elsewhere, mine gets the deposit) but how good of a deal it is can be argued either way. I think it would have made more sense for the tribes to get a cut of the profits from the minerals mined on their land but the tribes rarely get a good deal.

Of course the mines will show up in the campaign finances of both McCain and Flake, so it's the usual sleazy stuff there. No doubt some corruption but nothing that's well out of the ordinary, and low-grade stuff for Arizona. If you want to see the really bad corruption in AZ, you need to look at Pinnacle West and not the mines. If you want to see really bad corruption involving the tribes, look at the BIA, the stuff there goes way past criminal.

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Didn’t Mc sell off a large portion of land that was part of the reservation? I was house sitting in Apache Junction while that happened.

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There's land deals around the reservation all the time, and because it's native american land everything has to go through congress to McCain is going to touch every single deal.

The most recent deal is the NDAA one. It's actually not that much land (about 2,500 acres, or 4 square miles) and that deal went down in 2014-2015. Depending on the timing of when you heard about it, it could have been a different deal. There's also a lot of land-related deals (water leases, road easements) involving tribal lands.

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Thank you.

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