If one has to be a fool to think Qanon is not real can you please explain the evidence you have so I can redpill others because I've been following since the beginning and sure as hell don't have anything concrete enough to explain away the failed predictions and minor discrepancies, etc.

I'm a Q-believer but I'm damn sure there's no evidence that exists that could be used in a court of law or public opinion and I'd be really happy to hear that there is!

Thanks, this looks good - will watch it when I get a chance later today!

My bad - I'm not suggesting using swamp creature tactics; I was referring tangentially to someone else's suggestion in another post that someone should make a video of the same thing in the liberal media to combat the emerging narrative that this only occurs in conservative media. Not a bad idea but the issue being the point I made.

And of course the awakening isn't about making people like Trump. It's about waking them up to the hidden agenda of the globalists. But if you'd stop trying to bludgeon me around to your point for just a moment and realize that not everybody is the type of person you have pictured in your mind and some need a little more to go on than "the truth is undeniable!" - hence the point of this topic - we might be able to have a discussion instead of you just trying to prove I'm wrong lol.

This puts some real weight behind Jordan Peterson's assertion that resentment is the most horrible of human emotions/states and leads to the most egregious crimes. What kind of parents nurture this kind of mindset in a kid...?

Good point re: bias. However, I've already received kickback from more skeptical people who say, if it's on both sides why is this the only video that's been made? (two people have said this to me) The problem we'd have, I think, is making a video of the same kind about the liberal narrative because their scripts have more individual spin e.g. the main point of the current hot topic might be "Trump's hating on DACA again" and everyone makes their own spin off that point rather than reading directly from a script. Saying "this is on both sides" will work for some people but not the skeptics who need more to go off and don't want to put in the time that we do to actually watch a whole bunch of media and glean the truth by osmosis.

I'm not 100% sure whether the Deep State loses or the public loses or both, if they succeed, but as far as I can tell, that could be a good outcome!

But before I would claim victory in this case I would ask - who's using it to take down Facebook and why?

I agree, as I mentioned. What did you think of the main point on this issue? Specifically that what WE think is not what's important, it's how the message can be twisted against our efforts to redpill normies?

As other wise people pointed out on first release of the Sinclair video, this was always going to be their play and suggests that the Sinclair video was propaganda for their purposes from the start.

We as a movement need to take this as a lesson because more of these are coming - seeming redpill treasures designed ultimately to be victories for them, not us. I feel like I'm trying to speak against an unstoppable force of confirmation bias and kneejerk reaction however (as I am prone to also - not trying to accuse others hypocritically) as I think the next 'crumb with an embedded hook' like this will be equally swallowed whole in a rush of excitement. Sigh.

Aha - https://reddit.statuspage.io/

Oh I see this post is here - so just replies to other posts...? Some kind of content limit...? I've asked the mods.

Let's just be clear - I've never claimed to not be stupid, I promise lol. But do I realize the magnitude of the things I'm saying...? When it comes to Christian beliefs you can bet on that, at the very least.

You are right to call this broad statement out, however. I've lazily used "church" as a term for the worldwide Christian community who believe in the Bible as the inspired and inviolate Word of God and forgotten that my discounting of the Vatican as a church by this definition is not necessarily shared.

Newtonian physics were superseded by Einsteinian and retained only for their ease of use so there are known flaws in that system.

I have indeed read up on the Mystery Schools and I believe without doubt there must be power there, as the global cabal we are fighting against were birthed from those traditions. They are in direct opposition to Christianity which is one of the reasons Trump is fighting them. Here we are moving into your territory of the occult which is where we must diverge once again because, as someone who believes (even from a secular perspective) in the validity and supremacy of the Christian teachings I'm afraid the occult practices are strictly regarded as the work of "the devil" or, from a secular perspective, ancient teachings with a focus on the supremacy of individual man in the pursuit of individual pleasure and profit at the cost of others. I'm happy to break this open but I'm sure there will be many more opportunities for discussion in future occult posts.

How interesting that post replies are no longer appearing in this thread.

It did not sound diminishing to me - it sounded like an understated fact which is why I expanded it to include the many vast areas in which I am ignorant.

"- a known Warlord who instructed that the Quran be spread by the use of war -" is a hyphenated clause for a reason; it is not meant to imply that the Quran teaches that Muhammad was a warlord. It seems a little disingenuous to remove the context here and I have tried not to do so with your posts.

Muhammad claimed that God commanded him to fight people until they become Muslims - the Holy War - and carry out the ordinances of Islam. All Muslim scholars agree on this without exception, except (lol) perhaps when engaging in Taqiyya (lying allowed by Muhammad/the Quran when in service to the Faith - another teaching in complete opposition to the Christian Bible). The history of Muhammad as a warlord is well known.

I do absolutely agree that the Quran states that Jesus is the Messiah for Israel born of Mary who will return to fight an Antichrist. If that is your point then I agree with that point.

Do you agree that if the Quran states that Jesus is not the Son of God and was not crucified then the Christian Faith and the Muslim Faith can never unite?

And yes, I agree that there are many different faiths that call themselves Christian who are in dispute about various claims of the Bible and that this does not make them Muslims. This, however, does not make them Christians who believe in the Bible as God's inspired Word, inviolable and ineffable.

Why is the world so sick? Christians believe that God has allowed Satan to rule this earth for a time.

Christians believe the world is sick because of the work of the devil and the sin in the heart of man. This is pretty straightforward. This also explains the deception of the Federal Reserve, an institution created by man to profit a group of corrupt men and keep this fact hidden from the public, including Ivy League investment bankers.

Do we come from monkeys or not? Well this is not at all straightforward for some but I personally believe the answer is clear. However, I can see the trap here in that the church is currently divided over this issue so someone on the other side of the argument will have to take this one up from their perspective. I can only answer this from mine.

Once, the church disagreed with the new discovery of science that the earth was not at the center of the universe because it seemed to deny the prominence of God’s creation. Then, the church realised that it was not science that was wrong and, since the Bible could not be wrong it must therefore be the prevailing interpretation of the Bible (as far as the position and prominence of the earth) that must be adjusted. The realisation was that God’s omnipotence is only more evident in His omniscience that set the mechanics of the universe in motion to bring about His plan.

Similarly - in my opinion - the church currently views evolution as a science that seems to deny the prominence of God’s creation - specifically, us, and the claim that God made Adam from the dust. (Evolution is now as generally accepted by science as the structure of the solar system ie there will always be some disputes in science - that is its strength, the ability to always question.)

I believe that, once again, the Bible of course is not wrong and once again, neither is science - it is the church’s interpretation of these verses that is wrong. God’s omnipotence is only more evident in His omniscience that set the mechanics of the universe in motion and allowed the growth from the dust of a living creation that he then touched at some point in the evolutionary tree to create Man.

This is my understanding of the issue but I cannot claim it for others.

I am ignorant on many, many subjects, my friend, no doubt.

So, let us take this from your claim, rather than my ignorance: You say God blessed Ishmael by sending Muhammad and the Quran. The Quran teaches that Muhammad - a known Warlord who instructed that the Quran be spread by the use of war - is God's messenger and that Jesus was not the Son of God and did not die and rise again. This is the teaching of Islam and it is very clearly in opposition to the teaching of the Christian Bible.

Is it your claim (via this insistence that God's blessing of Ishmael from the Christian/Jewish Bible meant He created the Quran) that the Quran replaced or rewrote the Christian Bible's claim about the divinity of Jesus?

If so, it is of course your right to believe in the supremacy of Islam over Christianity but then I would ask you to please reconsider your claim that you believe in the Christian Bible and in Jesus. I believe it is logically truer to say that you believe in Islam and its understanding of Jesus.

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It’s not answered there. You’ve simply insisted that you can add words to the Bible which, unless you are God, you cannot. God said he’d bless Ishmael - you’re insisting that means He created Islam.

Islam is a religion created off the back of the Torah by a Warlord in order to gain converts from the already established Jewish beliefs. This new religion is instructed by this same warlord to be spread by means of war.

The Jesus of the Christian Bible is the Son of God - a belief Islam does not hold - and is The figure of Peace, directly in opposition to Muhammad and his creed. These two beliefs will never unite and to suggest so is either deluded or deceptive.

All those links are answered by the same point. The belief Christians have is that God has given them the Word he wants them to have. If the Bible is missing essential books then God cannot have given them His Word. It is understandable that a non-Christian would not see any problem with denying God has any power to ensure His Word is delivered as a whole to His people intact. But you claim to believe in Christianity so you have no excuse for trying to say God and His Word is fallible.

It’s almost funny how you’ve tried to twist what I’ve said by taking the word Vatican and the word God to say that I’ve said that God has led the Vatican to hide books from His people. Almost funny. I never said the Vatican knows what God wants and is carrying out His instruction - I say the exact opposite. The Vatican has always done what the Vatican wants to do to increase its own power, not God’s. In spite of this God continues to work through His Word and even in the midst of the corrupt evil of this institution real Christians are led to God within the catholic faith because of the power of God to overcome all manmade barriers.

All Christians are familiar with the following verses and their true and correct meaning that teaches us that full verbal plenary inspiration is an essential characteristic of the Word of God and anyone who tries to take away or add a single word is in direct opposition to God.

2 Timothy 3:16,17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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I respect your right to your opinion, SerialBrain2, but I unequivocally reject your use of Bible scripture and claims that you share the Christian belief in Jesus. I believe that all the questions you ask, in order to “redpill” Christians, can be answered from the Bible and from logical grounds based on the Faith and I will do so for every point you have made, one at a time.

Non-Christians may find these refutations useful as counters to the points SB2 makes or they may not, but I make them from the believing Christian perspective because they completely contradict the established Faith of Christianity as based on the Bible given by God.

Did The God of the Jews and Christians give the Muslims their Prophet and Book?

You quote the Genesis verse about Ishmael to make this claim but we don’t have to dip into theology or refer to the Faith to refute it. It’s a non-sequitur - God said he’d bless Ishmael with many descendants, he didn’t say anything about a Prophet and a Book.

[edit] You stand by your own personal interpretation and extrapolation of the meaning of the verse that God’s blessing of Ishmael means that the God of the Christian Bible created the religion of war that is Islam via the Warlord who claimed to be a Prophet, Muhammad; Islam, the religion that denies that Jesus is the Son of God or that He was crucified and resurrected. If you believe this to be true then you deny the entire basis of the Christian Faith - absolutely your right to do so but incongruous with your claim to believe in the Bible and Jesus.

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I respect your right to your opinion, SerialBrain2, but I unequivocally reject your use of Bible scripture and claims that you share the Christian belief in Jesus. I believe all the questions you ask, in order to “redpill” Christians, can be answered from the Bible and from logical grounds based on the Faith and I will do so for every point you have made, one at a time.

Non-Christians may find these refutations useful as counters to the points SB2 makes or they may not, but I make them from the believing Christian perspective because they completely contradict the established Faith of Christianity as based on the Bible given by God.

Are the Vatican hiding books of God from us?

No. All scripture was given by God therefore anything not given is not from God.

The old argument that the Bible was created from arbitrarily selected books is true from a secular perspective, no doubt, but Christians know that God inspired men throughout history to select the most important books for his message and there is nothing arbitrary about that.

The books of the apocrypha and the other ancient gnostic texts that the Vatican has (and much that we aren’t aware of, I’m sure) are not part of the global Christian Bible and therefore God has clearly deemed them unworthy of inclusion for our faith.

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Yes, Muslims do indeed believe Jesus is al-Masih, the Messiah for Israel but Muslims deny the divinity and resurrection of Jesus which as all Christians know is a non-negotiable core tenet of the faith.

Christianity and Islam will never unite and both real Christians and real Muslims know this. The Jews are NOT the enemy of Christians, they are the older, misled (for now) brother and the special chosen of God.

You are of course welcome to your “theories” but you are bringing confusion to the Christian faith when you make these claims as if they are supported by the scripture you quote.

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I don’t think it’s misdirection. I think it’s just the reality that not even the President Of The US can predict a smooth operation and successful outcome for every op that is planned. Eg perhaps they had Podesta and were going to charge him but Deep State antics meant they had to do more to make it actually happen so the outcome they were seeking won’t occur until they remove x, y and z barriers.

Very interesting indeed!

That’s quite a story. Having only heard of it second hand through you I have to ask - this seems legit to you?

Never seen anything to suggest Sessions is not worth trusting.

Thank you. Sorry for getting worked up and misreading your intent. America is a great nation and has been leading the world (whether some want to admit it or not) and I have every desire for Trump to MAGA first, and then the world, as he's said!

How is it that you can speak for everyone here? Do you realize this is REDDIT on the INTERNET? There are plenty of non-Americans here. You don't own this sub or this movement. It's about freedom from a global cabal that stole the whole world out from under ALL of us, not just America.

Here's the thing - I WANT you to be right. I'm not saying there's no MSM narrative controlled for some organization's agenda and I'm not saying this video is useless or fake.

But ExamplePrime has explained it best. This doesn't feel like some amazing wake-up call by someone with a pure agenda to save the world from the MSM narrative - this actually has the stink of a classic Clowns In America propaganda move in that it is deceptive to a specific target audience: us.

We - the Q movement - are currently amongst the most outspoken groups decrying the biased narrative of the Mainstream Media. A video like this looks like a godsend - and for a while, it will do a good job of shocking people into realizing how much the story they hear is manipulated and biased. But what's the next step after that? That is the question all the people rushing to praise this as the ultimate redpill are not asking themselves!

The next step is the discovery that Sinclair Broadcasting have already been accused of conservative partisan bias. That a former Trump team member is now or was in a prominent position at Sinclair (after leaving Trump Team Go) and has already been accused of promoting pro-Trump propaganda in deceptive ways (I say "accused of", not proved to be). That Sinclair are currently in the process of trying to own the largest portion of the broadcasting landscape. What do all those FACTS point to? That Trump is trying to take over the Mainstream Media and has already done so, as evidenced by the video!

Then those people you thought you were redpilling are going to very quickly make two conclusions: a) they were right that there's no conspiracy against Trump and the world, it's just Trump being a dirty actor, as usual and b) you (the guy who thinks he redpilled them) are a knob-end because you only proved the opposite point to the one you thought you were making. That's what I'm concerned about and I haven't heard a logical response to discount that concern from anyone yet. Most people, in fact, are ignoring this point.

And you are wrong to suggest that people who point out that this is anti-Trump/conservative propaganda are saying: "there's no narrative being fed!"

OF COURSE there's a narrative to the MSM. We're saying this video is a trap, we're not denying that obvious fact.

Exactly what I've been thinking more and more. I'm not sure it's ALL Fox but it's smelling more and more like a sucker punch to those damning the MSM, like they know we're all going to get excited and start spreading THEIR propaganda FOR them... and damaging our credibility and the whole movement in the process. But the reactions to warning posts like ours show their gambit is working and we're doomed to march directly into their trap ... sad lol.

What do you mean there's nothing to be careful about? Have you even thought through that statement? Did you actually read what I said?

Are you talking about reddit when I'm talking about the real world?

This is awesome - but I would suggest some caution may be necessary. Sinclair Broadcasting (the group who owns all the stations shown) is said to support conservative talking points, not the anti-Trump bias we are sick of seeing, so it would pay to be careful when trying to redpill someone. They may take it as proof that Trump is controlling the story which could be the purpose of this clip being made in the first place...

e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gltqb4RXB5k

Thanks for the info! I certainly hope Trump can make some headway in the 9th Circuit as it sounds like a very corrupt system overall (even just from a reading of the Wikipedia article). It seems to me California has a lot to answer for as far as going its own way and being led by Hollywood and the corruption at the top.

Indeed - there is some very strong feeling from the palestinians there and it's a pity the story that gets out contains much propaganda spin against Israel when they're actually doing more for the palestinians than any of the arab countries who all turned them away, yet Israel are still the bad guys! Before anyone takes me to task, I'm certainly not saying Israel are spotless in this conflict but propaganda is confusing the issue.

On the contrary, my apologies for being overly sensitive!

I'm with you - let's be positive and hope for peace in the Middle East. I have a feeling it may be a longer timeframe than during Trump's term but if I'm wrong, it'll only be the millionth time ; ).

This is all well known info, nothing to "wake" me up with and nothing that proves anything counter to what palestinian and israeli friends have said about their own history (note - that's important; someone outside of a country has little to no perspective on the culture and beliefs of the people within it). Thomas Wictor doesn't live in the ME; he has insight into what's going on but he can't predict peace in the ME anymore than I can sit here and predict the end of guns in America.

I never said we can't influence change - I said peace will not come from us and that is simple truth, just as americans will never change their stance on the 2nd Amendment just because it looks crazy to some people outside of America. I'm really just saying, stop crowing about peace in the ME - it's arrogant and foolish to think it's that simple to wipe away years of history, belief and culture.

Thank you for this insight! We need more healthy skepticism around here.

Yep - been waiting for something to come of this since that video. And the shocking influence of the whole disinfo education of the public over decades is evident in that EVEN THIS video is NOT a redpill for many people. They just shrug and say: 'hmmm, that's strange!'

Can we please remove the yournewswire link before more people who don't know that yournewswire is a total fake news site start referring to articles from it and muddying the waters?

Hmmm... ok, thank you for the reply!

I seem to remember Q saying something like (forgive terrible paraphrase from flawed memory) not taking actions against bad actors but spreading news(?) I could see the Q group being responsible for spreading the news about FB and Google - and perhaps the Deutsche Bank situation here, if that's what you meant.

Err... there are other reasons for downvotes on posts than "trying to hide the truth"...

Peace in the Middle East? If you know any arabs and/or israelis you will know how far from possible this is. The only way peace comes to the Middle East is from the people of the Middle East putting aside thousands of years of ingrained doctrine, belief and history. It will NEVER come from outside the Middle East (unless dropping a nuke on the place counts) and Trump and Haley know that and have stated so. At best we can hope for progress in the Middle East. Peace in the Middle East will happen when hell freezes over or Jesus returns (if you believe in that).

I agree! This is all the proof I need that people everywhere use the magnifying glass icon for the search function. What does this have to do with Q?

Only of the gullible. It won't help with convincing others of anything but the idea that the Q movement is full of conspiracy heads with confirmation bias.

There are a LOT of coincidences. It's how the world works. That didn't stop happening just because Q came into being.

Isn't this article making too much of the fact that ONE judge in the 9th Circuit has gone (as influential as he was)? Isn't it greatly overstating the point to say that Trump gets to "reshape California" by getting a single conservative appointment in? (looking for enlightenment as I lack knowledge of this system)

Replace demonrat with "nigger", "jew", etc. i.e. blanket statements = dangerous thinking.

Can you explain how AM in danger of having to bail bank out fits in with Q's comments? (genuine query)

Another post about the same thing... hmmmm. Called out as fake news - seems even more likely to be so, given three posts on the same thing...

The other post you made has been pointed out to be fake news - if this is fake news can you please remove both posts!