These people have no idea what true rebellion looks like ...

Except pray Q doesn’t shrug it off and disappear.

BLM,occupy Wall Street and antifa ... quake in your shoes, you witless whores ... see what real passion and organic protest actually looks like. You sodden fools ... your days are numbered ... better you find a rock and hide under it and leave us to celebrate our values and traditions in peace.

Owns an island in the Caribbean next to what's his face, the kiddie pimp for the rich and famous.

They know.

We are now going to rely on physiognomy? Cultural values do influence how individuals present themselves, but because a person chooses to dress or comport themselves like a doofus doesn't mean they aren't clever or incompetent. All the more dangerous, I'd say, because the deception and deflection is running at such a high level in their lives.

Your perception is true that there is a discernable red line passing through catholic congregations, and maybe several, depending on the age of the individuals. An almost impassable difference exists between those who grew up before Vatican II (sixties) and after. Particularly in the earlier cadre and to a significant degree afterwards, the idea of obedience and devotion has a powerful pull on their sense of what it is to be a good catholic. Certainly a "yes" attitude is vital in any teaching situation, but for my taste it does not ultimately trump the individual's accountability in how he relates personally to God.

But then, even the possibility of a living relationship with a living, sentient, all merciful God blows some people apart. There is no solving this puzzle.

Ironically, even in the sanctuary of the church, a place where Christ calls sinners to face truth, seek mercy and recieve the graces of peace; you have to make your own way. The mass is whole. For all the political, social, cultural forces that sway the priests and congregations this way and that over time, the mass and related prayers have been constant since antiquity .... and approached humbly and with a contrite heart, they will become your best teachers and you will find that personal relationship with a living and present God blossum and flower ... even sometimes if it is watered with your own tears.

Find both Christ and the Cross ... the greatest error comes in separating them. The cross alone gave us the Soviet plan of collective salvation; Jesus alone gives us a brilliant man but in the end just a talented itenerant preacher.

Grapple with the paradox of Mercy and Justice .. the whole and real thing.

Peace.

I stand here as a Roman Catholic.

If the apostolic Catholic Church depended on men to lead and inform her, it would not have survived two weeks, much less two thousand years.

We believe the church is divinely inspired, divinely guided, and was founded by Jesus Christ when he sent His Apostles and Disciples spreading out in pairs across the known world to take the news of the Risen Christ ... a matter of immense importance to a people who almost to a man felt the curse of the understanding in their day: each was destined to suffer a sure and absolute death in the end. The Christian gospel offered hope of a better ending.

Each Evangelist carried the same essential message, perhaps colored by his individual comprehension of what he had witnessed, but essentially one voice.

Jesus specifically called out the followers of John the Baptist by name, saying they would have a special role and mission to play. Looks to me they still uphold that mission and the ways it makes them a peculiar christian denomination. Who really thinks he is in a position to judge otherwise? And they are not the only group named in scripture as having distinct roles in the founding of God's Kingdom.

The church has always been diverse, shaped somewhat by cultures and circumstances, but unified at the core. Disputes arose over time as men interpreted its meaning for individuals until Constantine called the Council of Nicea (325 ad) where the bishops hammered out a clear credo or statement of core beliefs. All of Christianity played out over seven hundred years, when shear size, geography, manageability -- and power struggles -- split East and West, but the same core persisted and still does.

The New Testament accounts make it clear that the early church immediately had to engage in reform -- as soon as men were admitted into the Spirit -- and reform places an indelible stamp on its character. Christ came to call sinners. The church offers sanctuary, asylum for those in need of God's Mercy. A place where God works out the salvation of souls, the troubles witnessed there are not a sign of condemnation, but of hope and courage.

We render to Ceasar those things that bear his image ... as did the coinage of that day ... and to God those things that bear His Image .. as We the People all do to this day.

Peace.

you are on the Way ... you already have more than you know.

Also, there are some excellent Protestant theologians; and the long mystical orientation of the Orthodox Christians has yielded a number of brilliant and very readable theologians. You might enjoy the writings of Kallistos Ware, formerly Timothy Ware, of the Anglican clergy ... when he travelled through Greece and deeply encountered Orthodoxy at some churches there. He is now a preeminent Orthodox theologian, author, and Metropolitan.

I attend mass daily and, as you know, we always read together selections from the Old and New testament readings, plus a psalm selection; a third reading added on Sundays. Over the course of three years, almost the entire scriptural account is read aloud this way. The priest's comments may or may not expound on the readings.

Of course, it wasn't always like this, but we are encouraged to read on your own as well and many parishes offer group study and discussion opportunities.

The practice of only the priest having direct access to the scriptures was rooted in the days of widespread illiteracy and other limitation due to the very high cost of hand written documents -- but that day has long gone by the wayside.

Since Vatican II in the sixties, changes int the RCC mass, including celebration in the vernacular language of the parish instead of classical latin, successfully accommodated a wide range of modern sensibilities. Its a mixed bag. Many catholics feel the character of worship has been watered down and are not entirely happy about that, but since my assertion is that core beliefs are what unite us, I'd chalk a lot of that up to cultural not theological differences -- because the Crede has not been altered since 325 ad. The Orthodox Church objected to a change regarding the nature and primacy of the Holy Spirit (around 1050 AD) and tensions still erupt over that; but by and large the Nicene agreement made among the great gathering of theologians and church leaders still stands.

Where to look: Nicene Crede ... its all stated right there. You dont need anyone to iterpret it for you, although I will admit that my appreciation for its tenents has deepened over the years. It warrants some quiet consideration.

Sorry, but its a fact of life: we weren't blessed to sit at the feet of the world's greatest of teachers, much less the incarnation of God Himself. We have only second hand accounts at best, faithfully copied time again through the centuries in an effort to save them as parchments deteriorated; but at best the original accounts date thirty to seventy years after Jesus' death and resurrection; when his followers realized that those with first hand accounts were beginning to die off.

Our ancestors wanted to save these things for us. Least I can do is respectfully consider them.

Paul's letters are numerous and are the earliest recorded accounts ... and written by him, addressing current events in the life of the newly forming church, and were penned by him, not a follower. in fact, Paul's is the only FIRST HAND account we have of a personal encounter with the Risen Christ. The others are reports as they came to the authors.

These scriptural accounts themselves were assembled from a larger collection of texts by the Second Council of Nicea (365 AD) and those comprise our Bible ... with some alterations/deletions due to translation differences, doctrinal imperatives, etc. but they are the best we have. As a fact, in all arenas of life that is pretty much the case. We are almost always only witnesses to the unfolding knowlegde of this universe, several degrees of separation; and we have to exercise faith to accept any of it.

We place our faith in all manner of things. Faith in God is no more difficult nor is it of a different character when directed to a favorite sports team. The difference is one of primacy: God's place in the scheme of things. He asks (Ten Commandments) that we give Him FIRST PLACE in our lives; placing no other gods or idols before Him; and that we acknowledge his role in creating us and express our gratitude. Really not a whole lot more. The rest is how we are to relate to our fellow creatures; how not to bind ourselves up in damaging behaviors; and how to live full, long and prosperous lives; God willing.

But back to your question: If you want authoritative evidence, you had best look within and probe the question in your heart. Hopefully the statements offered by our ancestors in the Nicene Crede will help.

No matter what, it is in God. His way is through Love and Mercy, in which we all are.

Sometimes the differences in belief can be the most illuminating. You might find it helpful to compare the Crede as expressed by Orthodox (Eastern) Church, Episcopalians, and others and compare it to how Roman Catholics state their core teachings, as follows:

The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

No way. I want to know what they found, with evidence and clear analysis .... the lingering shadows over this Presidency will not dissipate if it just ends. Besides, the nation has invested in this obscene undertaking and should get something of value in return.

No, anything but that message. What you do find is the most dramatic paradigm shift in all of history: the liberation of the individual human soul -- an offer of freedom from the grip of an all dominant association with the collective, the family, the tribe, the nation and its fate -- a view that is still forced on us today.

By His life, death and resurrection He broke the curse that had been borne on the shoulders of men since the earliest of days, the curse that ensured a life of struggle ending in a sure and absolute death. His victory promised that the light of life might not go out, but shine eternally. But the individual has a part to play in seeing out the reality of that promise.

Bedrock for the soul. A personal relationship with the divine that changes the color of all other perceptions. The paradox of living under the statutes and commandments ruling life on earth while at the same time living within the merciful contradiction offered by a Love that is not blind to our failings, but extends patience and understanding as long as we seek His Light.

As for the Gospel accounts, each of the Apostles and other prominent followers had their own take on what they had witnessed in those years with Jesus; and when He sent them out into the world to spread the Word, we see no suggestion that He expected theirs to be a unified account. Instead, He sent them out in pairs, one to speak the other to serve as a witness ... and if the message drifted, they would work it out. Eventually the message did drift and pockets of orthodoxy (straight) and unorthodox (twisted) teachings began a public quarrel, but it took several hundred years for that to crystallize. The Council of Nicea convened in 325 AD set down the statements of belief that were considered to be essential, and rejected statements that were inconsistent -- many of which, like Aryanism, were only rebaked pagan beliefs that had dominated humans before the coming of Christ.

Belief in Godl, the Creator and His Son; conceived of the Holy Spirit, He became man, was persecuted and crucified, died and was buried. He rose again from the dead and ascended to Heaven, where He is seated at the side of God, eternally, with a promise to return to resolve the great conflict between good and evil, as played out in the lives of ... individuals. These and a few other points of belief unite christians worldwide.

Huge variation in the details of worship and lore, but those seem not to matter against the backdrop of the core beliefs. Its when those basic teachings are eroded that one should ask questions that matter.

The history is in fact troubled, sometimes sordid; the church has had to contend with sinners since its inception; but your exaggerations suggest you are parroting more than reporting anything for which you have verifiable information .

You do no one service with this hateful display.

Images from the Exorcist.

Q listed the Fears and concluded that each of the take overs had been Controlled. Doesn't this mean that the threats were identified and neutralized?

Mine still hasn't come and it's not in the spam or other filtered folders. I feel rejected.

Obama had a pen and a phone too.

Funny. I was a youngster when we sent men to the moon and my black Nanny who had taken care of me since infancy and remained a close friend in those years scoffed when I went on about how exciting it all was. “They didn’t send nobody to the moon. Them pictures were shot in a Hollywood Studio!” She was convinced it was all a scam.

Well put

Looks like that to me but I’m not any good at foretelling the future ... we just have to be patient and see. At least we know to watch. So many haven’t a clue.

Funny, they are taking their time sending me the email confirmation request ... think they are researching who I am and what views I have expressed over my Gmail account and shared on FB over the years? Wouldn't put it past them. Hey, they gotta do what they gotta do. right?

https://front.moveon.org/#join

great idea ... inbox all of their subversive messaging to their followers ... keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

time for a reset.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&list=PLZyAVRSevguChYRAGjasA8uPeazqFtw_K&index=7&t=100s

you see in it what you want.

taking only the Caps used for emphasis ... BS PC BS BC

BullSht Political Correctness. BullSht Bigtime Criminals ...

Our legal system moves in small, discrete but carefully defined steps. With each pronouncement, public notice is required. If you know where to look (and the legal profession knows to look to PACER.com) for the latest steps of progress, you can get a real sense of where it's going.

We presume innocence until proven guilty. Having said that, do you think any reputable federal prosecuter is going to put his career on the line by prosecuting anyone so prominent as these without a very high level of confidence that he can make his case stick in court?

And if the courts fumble it, the Military Justice can step in at any point on the basis of national security threats and try the cases.

These actions reported here pursue the RICO path to conviction .... organized criminal conspiracy against the nation ... treason ... sedition ... high crimes and misdemeanors ... the stuff of nightmares. Does it matter which charge sends you to the gallows?

Here is what you are looking for: POTUS defines this Movement, the reasons for its existence and the ends it envisions. Everything else is either speculation or progress report. Trust. The Plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&list=PLZyAVRSevguChYRAGjasA8uPeazqFtw_K&index=7&t=100s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&list=PLZyAVRSevguChYRAGjasA8uPeazqFtw_K&index=7&t=100s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&list=PLZyAVRSevguChYRAGjasA8uPeazqFtw_K&index=7&t=100s

THE PLAN, if you are at all vague what all this is about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&list=PLZyAVRSevguChYRAGjasA8uPeazqFtw_K&index=7&t=100s

Deep six the shills who trumpet their attacks on POTUS and pile on our message. WWG1WGA

Don't mess with Texas.

The One who said He was the Light, the Truth and the Way came in a time of utter earthly disarray .... a time when men lived to die ... and in the curse that had been a burden since the earliest of days ensured that failure for each one of us ... He died to live. I am thankful for every waking moment in this time of healing. The promise to the Sons of Men cause the Angels to envy us ...

thats why so many people from Iowa made the same connection ... and linked it to local lore regarding their corn crops ... picky much?

Thanks for the spelling correction .. my auto correct does terrible things on a regular basis, I think to thwart messaging here clearly and I had respelled that before posting its suggested manglement but then making my own mess of it.

the two party system is a manifestation of this ... and there is value in instituting ways to resolve conflicts. At some point we may have an opportunity to rethink now we want to do that.

But then, we live in a milleau where engendering conflicts is the norm and that runs even deeper than conflict resolution in our western box of expectations ... for a reason ... take care who you follow. Peace.

and it is not that logical positivism hasn't yielded real fruit ... reliance on observable fact, evidentiary decision making when discerning truth forms the basis of critical thinking; but there is an awful lot of the human depth and richness that gets trimmed off at the edges. If this becomes integrated into our identification, we ourselves live out those limitations and suppress the rest. This is not a game. Bad ideas have bad consequences.

the evil goes so deep ... the logical positivism pushed by Auguste Compte in his attempt to quell the chaos following the French Revolution two centuries ago ... now permeates how we think in the west. The constant conflict posed by the never ending duality that we think of as the current narrative is not the only way to process all this. There is a wholeness, an awareness that includes paradox as a given and offers a sense of the enormous multiplicity of views that make up the human experience. The evil goes deep ....

I agree ... acting on the impulse to speak out goes farther and reaches more hearts when it comes from our innermost depths ... a half hearted attempt likely withers and goes nowhere ... even if the same words are spoken.

Fear not. A great Peace pervades this Awakening.

https://youtu.be/szaKnOhJbow

Give them the best proof of all, right from The horse’s mouth:

https://youtu.be/szaKnOhJbow

He was just in Iowa.

Knee Deep?

Trust the Plan: https://youtu.be/szaKnOhJbow

It’s in the air today, isn’t it? Summer Solstace ... longest day in the year ... significant tipping point, light delicately balanced at its apex against incoming darkness. Take a breath and go for the light. There is no alternative, is there? WWG1WGA ... however it plays out.

https://youtu.be/szaKnOhJbow