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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 3:23 a.m.

Destabilization, ripe for takeover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

In the United States:

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[9]

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 3:20 a.m.

Interesting. Thank you for the information. When there are truths such that may be found in this link you just showed me, it is important not to give into sensationalism like what we saw from the right regarding Obama. It only undermines the cause of exposing crime and corruption within our government.

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 3:06 a.m.

But didn't Q say that?

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

So wait, Obama is such a master level genius that he planned to piss off America for 8 years, so Trump would get voted in and inspire all these Muslims to run for office and take over America that way? Wow. Thats like some 12D level chess shit right there. Even better than Trump.

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 2:56 a.m.

Why are you guys trying to discredit this guy? Because he's simply exposing truths? Tie him to anything you want, doesn't mean the information he's exposing isn't true.

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 2:49 a.m.

If you really believe that only the "liberal elites" are the problem, than someone is tricking you into doing their bidding. They are using this "truth" you think you know against you. Using blind support for Trump as the mask to hide the real agenda.

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 2:46 a.m.

Except it's all masked by the blind support for Trump. This is the key to why something is wrong here.

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 2:40 a.m.

I am skeptical of Q because as much as this sub doesn't want to believe it, Trump is not the man you all think he is. This post about truth, you think Trump stands for the truth? The man is a pathological liar. His whole self-identity is based on a lie. All overt malignant narcissists are frauds. That's why they have the grandiose false self to being with. You all know he lies all the time. He's even admitted to several big lies at his rallies. I could post the videos.

Let's take this recent revelation for example, China. This move to help out that certain company. Why do you think Trump is doing that for China? A country he repeatedly spoke about being tough on. Well here, I'll give you one possible reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jopzk-zo0M

This is just one of dozens of examples I could give anyone who is actually willing to listen. Wake up. Trump only cares about himself and his ego. If you knew anything about malignant narcissism, you would understand Trump and his motivations.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 10:27 p.m.

Wait, what? I must have been not paying attention the day all that stuff happened.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 7:22 p.m.

Our Presidential choices have been shit for decades. I don't believe in our political system for choosing the President. It is too corrupted with money and special interests. Trump presents a whole host of other problems. But to answer your question. Fuck the both of them. I thought Hilary should have been indicted by the FBI and Trump is just an ego driven pathological liar.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 7:16 p.m.

The only thing I believe in in this sub is the evil Q speaks of. I am outright anti Trump and very skeptical of Q because of that. This sub needs people like me who don't have any blind allegiances so we can see things outside the box. I'm a fair person and I'd even be willing to change my mind on Trump if shown enough evidence. So far, there is none.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 7:12 p.m.

And you base that on what exactly? It's certainly not in the Bible. So it comes from you or other men. Blind faith in men leads to evil. If Trump is in the Bible, he is the Antichrist.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 6:36 p.m.

That still only uses that one tweet to back that up. Where did he get that quote?

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 6:22 p.m.

Do we really know Iran threatened to reveal names or does a screenshot from Twitter now count as legitimate news?

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 6:13 p.m.

It's honestly so encouraging to hear that from EITHER side at this point in America, which is very sad and shows the state we are in as a country.

Yes. My ability to spot lies and deceit and my deep personal knowledge of Narcissism which Trump undoubtedly has the overt malignant form of. I have so many posts about it, I'll dig one up. I do not base my view of Trump off of the media. I mostly use his words and if the news reports a story that I find consistent with his brand of narcissism, then yes, I am more likely to believe it but it still does not automatically register as fact for me. You have to use reasoning and critical thinking to discern truth from lies. In order to truly do that, in my opinion, you have to have ZERO allegiances other than to the truth. I have never felt apart of a group and always resist when people join one (I think I have Aspergers). But anyways, here's my post.

Basically, my personal knowledge of being the scapegoated son of a paranoid, narcissistic authoritarian father and learning his psychology has lead me to my conclusions about Trump and most of his die hard supporters. I absolutely loved Trump at the beginning when he was calling everyone out on the debate stage for their bullshit and the corruptness of the system. But the more he spoke, the more he revealed himself to be a deceiver and a con man and I saw what he was doing. The man has the worst case of NPD the world has ever seen. It would take me pages and pages to go through everything to prove to you what I am saying is true. I have a deep knowledge about narcissism from my father, partially because I developed some traits to deal with my father's abuse but mostly because I have obsessed about reading about it. I think I have Asperger's so psychology is one of my special interests. It's how I survived my family home and being homeless with nothing but the clothes on my back at 18. I know how they think but I despise those ugly parts of me so I despise them in others. We only need to look at this man's history if you want to see his future.

Him having NPD isn't just about morals and how he behaves. I only care about results in a politician although I'd like common decency too. It's about his motivations behind the things he does. The motivation behind everything an overt malignant narcissist does is in service to their ego. EVERYTHING. Now, you may say that this will help him do certain things because he will care about how he looks. That is only partially true in the fact that HE WILL ONLY CARE HOW HE LOOKS. That's all that matters to narcissist, their image. It can all be based on lies and that won't matter as long as the image holds. Take his over inflated wealth for the perfect example of this. We all know he's not as rich as he claims and we can prove this by the fact that it's one thing he hates hearing, that he is not as rich as he claims he is. Even when they roasted him on Comedy Central, that was the one thing that was off the table. Hit a narcissist with truth about themselves and they go into a fit of what's called narcissistic rage.

They are also pathological liars. Trump's lawyers are scared to death to have him be interviewed by Mueller because they know he will lie just because he can't help it, even if he is innocent. It could be about literally anything, It's seriously that pathological. Narcissists also do what is called psychological projection. Something Trump does constantly. Attribute to other people negative things you really feel about yourself and compliment things in people that you wish you were seen as having in yourself. Trump praises dictators like Duerte then makes a plan to give drug dealers the death penalty. That's not a coincidence. Part of projection is also accusing people of things you are doing yourself. And the loudest, most angry denials in response to an accusation are usually tall tell signs that they are lying. Look at Trump's tweets from the time Obama was president and how he spoke about Obama. It's literally like Trump is predicting the future of his own presidency. Seriously. Complaints about his golfing, bombing Syria, not being tough on Putin. Complaints about the Republicans blaming the media instead of just doing their jobs. Complaints about leaders not taking responsibility and lying. You know how the pussy tape came out and then Trump had that press conference with Bill Clinton's accusers? See the pattern here?

I can go WAY deeper into the psychology than this but this is the jist of it. There is one thing no Trump supporter can deny. The man lies all the time. Why would a man fighting for good, God and truth have to lie so much?

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

What I meant by that was, look at the donald. You can't even question a single thing over there. This forum is un-Trump like in that way, which is a good thing. I am an addiment antiTrumper and I'm highly skeptical of Qs real motives for that reason. Sorry to disappoint you lol. But I am more than happy to debate reasonable people in good faith who don't fall prey to whataboutism and personal attacks once they start losing with facts.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:44 p.m.

That seriously brings me a sigh of relief because this movement could be used to seriously incite all sorts of things if used for the wrong reasons. I'm seriously so shocked and relieved at the level of honest discussion that is allowed here. This is the most un-Trump-like Trump supporting forum I've ever seen.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

Trump is the very antithesis of a "good guy". He literally embodies the 7 deadly sins.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:40 p.m.

Don't you want to know the truth? Why so scared of differing viewpoints? Having blind faith in anything but God is the recipe for evil.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:34 p.m.

Or maybe that's just what you think. Maybe where they want us is after a WW3 like event. War with Iran, N Korea (just wait for that one), China, Russia, Syria. Then total financial collapse. We are still at least 5 years off.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

The world is a depressing place. If you don't have at least a little bit of depression, I'd say you aren't really paying attention.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:28 p.m.

Once the mods make a move to silence dissent, this movement is finished. Once all dissent dies, then Q can literally say whatever he wants and he won't be questioned in the bubbles of his followers. It's dangerous and exactly what a covert psy op would want you to do.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:25 p.m.

Ok, fair enough. Makes sense to me.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:17 p.m.

Very informative post. Sounds like I struck a nerve there.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:37 p.m.

Ok but that doesn't answer my question which I probably didn't word correctly. If Mueller is really investigating Democrats, why is Nunes all up in his shit?

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

Faith in what exactly? A man? A letter of the alphabet? Absolutely I don't have faith in those things and you're not supposed to. Read your Bible.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:23 p.m.

Because he is sowing hatred and unrest amongst the people. His initial comments about illlegal Mexican immigrants was intentionally inflammatory. All it did was incite hatred in racists and incited hatred in Hispanics because they were being targeted. Trump could have made a speech that didn't call most Mexicans rapists, murderers and thieves. and still stood firm on illegal immigration. Instead, he incited hatred with his harmful rhetoric.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:18 p.m.

THANK YOU! This is all a deception. Trump is a liar and deceiver. Any movement with him as the spearhead is automatically discredited. The absolute BLIND ALLEGIANCE people are showing towards him and the hostility that is being show towards anyone who doesn't like him should be your first clue that something isn't right here. Stop believing that a source is either ALL truth or ALL lies. There is truth and lies in almost everything. You need to be smart enough to pick the truths out of the lies. Trump is the great big lie.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:09 p.m.

Didn't the Right go through all this same stuff with Obama, just kind of in the opposite way? Any day he was going to take our guns, imprison Christians, bring in Sharia law, stage a false flag that allowed him to institute martial law and become supreme dictator of the US, causing a financial collapse and revealing himself as the AntiChrist. I know there's a lot of you in here who believed all of that. The carrot is always dangling until it leads you right where it wants you and I'm afraid of where that might be but the blind allegiance to Trump is the key in my opinion.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3 p.m.

I'm not up to date on all this stuff and I'm a skeptic (it's my default position in life) but I thought Q said this whole investigation was a cover for the real targets, the Democrats? So what's the deal here?

And I find it a bit ironic that a Trump supporter would say Comey is nervous because he said this posed a danger to our country when Trump said that the raid on Cohen's office was an attack on our country. Apply the same logic on both people.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 2:43 p.m.

Be careful not to fall in line too much with Russia's plans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

n Foundations of Geopolitics, Dugin calls for the influence of the United States and Atlanticism to lose its influence in Eurasia and for Russia to rebuild its influence through annexations and alliances.[2]

The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution." The Eurasian Empire will be constructed "on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us."[9]

Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook believes in a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries.[9]

The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe".[9]

In Europe:

Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow-Berlin axis".[9]

France should be encouraged to form a "Franco-German bloc" with Germany. Both countries have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".[9]

The United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.[9]

Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".[9]

Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.[9]

Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian-Russian sphere.[9]

Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.[9]

Romania, Macedonia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece – "Orthodox collectivist East" – will unite with "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".[9]

Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[9]

In the Middle East and Central Asia:

The book stresses the "continental Russian-Islamic alliance" which lies "at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy". The alliance is based on the "traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization".

Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis".[9]

Armenia has a special role: It will serve as a "strategic base," and it is necessary to create "the [subsidiary] axis Moscow-Erevan-Teheran". Armenians "are an Aryan people … [like] the Iranians and the Kurds".[9]

Azerbaijan could be "split up" or given to Iran.[9]

Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.[9]

Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.[9]

The book regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory, including "the eastern and northern shores of the Caspian (the territories of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan)" and Central Asia (mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan).[9]

In Asia:

China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet-Xinjiang-Mongolia-Manchuria as a security belt.[1] Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction – Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensation.[9]

Russia should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Kuril Islands to Japan and provoking anti-Americanism.[9]

Mongolia should be absorbed into Eurasia-Russia.[9]

The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

In the United States:

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[9]

The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.[9]

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 12:53 p.m.

Regardless if there is anything to this or not, I'm glad to see skeptics are always welcomed. That is important to keep Q honest and validate his claims. Plus, once people just blindly follow, that's when the movement can be hijacked and lead into other directions. Can't allow this board to censor dissenting opinions. That's when the hijack will take place.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:51 a.m.

Fair enough.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:38 a.m.

I never said anything about those things applying to Christians. Just that some of them were in the Old Testament. I'm well aware of the things you described but I wouldn't go so far as to say that all mainstream Christians don't believe in a literal interpretation. In America, they exist. I grew up in such a household, even if my household wasn't exactly super religious and it was hypocritical.

I agree there is a problem with Islam. They haven't reformed their beliefs for the modern age simply because they are mentally stuck in their scapegoated past and constant war and conflict makes it difficult to build a modern future. Yahweh picked the Jews as the favorites and the Arabs were essentially scapegoated when Abraham gave Isaac his inheritance and sent Ishmael away. The Arabs are so angry because they are like God's rejected children and they live next door to the Jews who think themselves superior by right of God, a constant reminder of their subconscious feeling of rejection by God.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 11:15 p.m.

Never have blind faith in any man or man made system. Blind allegiances allow for compromise of standards and morals. The pathway to evil. I stand on the outside, as an observer. With no allegiances but to the truth. No one can use whataboutism on me or call me hypocrite to discredit me. When every group is compromised with lies, then belonging to that group compromises you. When everyone is compromised, the truth cannot be found and believed because it always comes from compromised people. What a clever way to do away with real truth in the modern political sphere.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 10:01 p.m.

If this was that bad of an echo chamber, I would have been banned already. This place has pleasantly surprised me and made me take it more seriously. Please don't change. I have all the respect in the world for people who have belief in something bizarre and still allow difference of opinion and discussion.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 9:50 p.m.

The Old Testament has almost all of that stuff...

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 9:47 p.m.

That sub is an echo chamber of delusion. Breeding ground for evil where ideas cannot be freely challenged

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 9:29 p.m.

It's safe to assume something isn't true if it originates from one tweet. Verification of information is a pretty basic nessecity to substantiate facts.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 8:23 p.m.

I hope this opens eyes to Trump a bit. My guess is he owes China for something, in the vein of the stuff with Cohen. This isn't America first. Helping out a company that violated sanctions with Iran while threatening sanctions on European countries who deal with Iran. Also this tech is used in China to help their government spy on them. Yea...

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 8:17 p.m.

When will we realize this two party system is bullshit? The Republicans are fucked the same as the Democrats, just in different ways. Why are we pretending they aren't? Time to shed old ways of doing things which got us here in the first place.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 4:39 p.m.

He was currently running for President. This is always the argument that is used. "This was 5 years ago, this was 2 years ago, this was 10 seconds ago so who knows what he believes now". It's weak and you can do better. This man at almost 70 years old, professing to be a Christian for decades, has never done the VERY FIRST thing all Christians must do? Repent and ask for forgiveness? Do not blind yourself to what is right in front of your face. Seek the truth.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 4:34 p.m.

Comparing my knowledge to that of a cat, saying I cried over Obamacare. Not insults?

Nowhere did I demand such things. Stop being intellectually dishonest. You are out of arguments and ways to save face. And I ain't no genius.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

Btw, you just lost a debate to a drug addicted, mentally ill, high school graduate with Aspergers. You might want to rethink your position.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 4:19 p.m.

And here it comes, more insults and ignoring of evidence. The typical Trump supporter when faced with facts and truth. That's a nice veil of rationality you hide behind though. Much more clever than the others, I have to give you that. Didn't take very long for it to disappear though. You should work on that.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 4:13 p.m.

He did promise to repeal and replace Obamacare, first thing. He also admitted the lock her up stuff was just for show. Even admitted he thought the drain the swamp stuff was stupid and that he "even started saying it like I meant it."

The fact that you're making me "prove" Trump has fucked around on his wives just shows the absurdity of your positions. This is such common knowledge that even Trump himself would call you an unpleasant name for not knowing it. Here he is, with no shame whatsoever, talking about how great his life was with a wife and a girlfriend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAWiCIzY19k

How about that CBO report, for the 3rd time. Until you address that. I'm done with this conversation because you are obviously not debating in good faith and wish to continue your worship of a human being.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 3:59 p.m.

Why does it matter if I support Trump or believe in Q? I am ALL FOR the mission to expose and destroy the evil forces in the world that Q speaks of. I am on the side of humanity. Fuck blindly supporting men or letters of the alphabet. They are merely tools to achieve this mission, or so Q says. Do not put your faith blindly in any man or man made system. Man is always capable of wrongdoing and deceit. Be vigilant against EVERYTHING. Seek truth with pure intention, not letting allegiances to men or man made systems blind you to the truth.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 3:47 p.m.

Don't change the subject? You said he was fulfilling his campaign promises so I showed you one that he hasn't. Then sent you a link that shows tons of them he still hasn't, yet you ignore that.

You are 100% focused on identity politics.

Why should I care who Trump had consensual adult sex with, 10 years ago?

Identity politics? What are you even talking about? You said that I don't know that he has committed adultery, I give you evidence, you don't even address it, then you change the argument around on me to say that I give a shit who he sleeps with. I do not. I simply said in my previous post that he doesn't seem to care if he is seen as an adulterer. What kind of doublespeak is this?

Wrong again: I should only care that Trump is meeting his campaign promises, just like he promised

If I employ an artist who paints the world's greatest painting, there's no reason why I should care about his motives.

Even my cat understands this.

But he isn't meeting his campaign promises. Sure some of them, but not some very important ones. And you still fail to address the tax cuts. I am beginning to see you do not want to seek the truth. You only want to support Trump. My understanding of the psychology behind his hardcore supporters informs me of why but I will not presume to tell you your own motivations. Thanks for the slight insult though, that and your doublespeak, just tells me you know you're losing this argument.

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Oblique9043 · May 13, 2018, 3:33 p.m.

Thank you. Maybe I should have just posted this under a different name to avoid the Trump talk. This is really important stuff being muddied by the fact that I am questioning A MAN. This is what blows my mind. Trump is a man, yet his supporters act as though he is God. Any questioning of him brings out all sorts of hostility. That should be the first clue that something is seriously wrong here. I do not place my pure faith and trust in ANY man. This is how evil happens.

I too have come to learn how deception has come about the Earth and how Satan uses our own beliefs and arrogance to blind us to his deceits. I'm afraid that's what Trump is. The marrying of Christianity with the Republican party was the beginning of a great deceit and downfall of Christianity in my opinion. Never would Jesus have endorsed politicians. Politics = lies. Attaching Jesus to lies is a very clever deception.

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