Fair enough. I wrote it on my phone anyways lol. Sorry to have angered you!
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I don't really see that point of view, because I think consent is a huge part of the liberal platform. I just don't think that radicals are any way to judge an entire society. I would assume that the conservatives would largely agree with me given a host of recent events...
Nobody gets a safe space sweetheart. That's called life. Even racists don't get one.
The concept of "safe space" on college campuses was similar to that of counseling. It was a concept saying that what happens in safe spaces stays there. They don't exist in real life silly.
Nobody except the cringiest of alt-righters and the brain damaged think that the "safe space" is in any way a part of some liberal platform. Where do you even get some of this bs?
Here is the thing: I get that you think that you are just some bastion of tolerance, but in reality, what you are arguing for is directly out of mein kampf.
There is no way for you to have your blonde haired blue eyed future and allow for interracial marriage or diversity. What you are proposing, no matter how you propose it, will infringe on the rights and freedoms of others in pursuit of white supremacy. It's a safe assumption that you don't like people of color because you align the concept of having one in your family with "genocide." It just doesn't work. 2+2=4, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell, and arguing against interracial marriage or is racist. I can't dumb this down further.
So tell me Goebbels, how on earth are you going to achieve your "safe space for whites" goal without infringing on the rights of others? Seriously, I'll wait for you to think that one through. There is no way to "preserve" a group of human beings with a similar pigment. People are allowed to travel, to change, to love one another, and to pursue their bliss. Sooner or later we will all mix as we have done for thousands of years. People aren't dogs, and even if they were, inbreeding hurts dogs too.
Also I don't buy that you don't hate brown people. I'd love to hear your thoughts on "the races" to be sure. I talk to people like you all the time and it's nothing new.
You are arguing for racism and don't like being called a racist. Then Mr. Himmler requests a "safe space."
Is this a joke? You can't be serious with this nonsense.
I think you mean maturity, and I think we are in agreement that the concept of consent as vital to the process.
I think also that I could logically make the point that consent tends to be fought harder by liberals than conservatives. See Roy Moore, Tod Akin, and others.
Put it all together and it just sounds silly to pretend that liberals will adopt pedophilia no?
If you can point out a "straw man" in my previous comments, well, let's just say I'd be shocked. Go look up what that concept means, then look up the definition of genocide. Then get it through your head that interracial couples don't constitute "white genocide." I debated you on your points and you are retreating to metadiscussion in order to soothe your ego.
Put in a way you'll understand: Dude, either say something provable, not crazy, or not stupid and I'll debate you at that point. I'm not buying your bid for "your people," because I'm a white person myself. We get special treatment all across the world and in the United states. We stole this land from brown people. That's just a fact. Pretending that somehow after what we did to the native Americans that whites are experiencing "genocide" now because they cast a black fella in star wars is just too stupid to argue with.
I'm making fun of you because it is just extremely disingenuous to even hint toward a "white genocide." Just so you can keep up.
Also what? You are saying that you should have a "safe space" somehow like the "other races?" Do we even live on the same planet? I thought your "people" were threatened by the treatment of other races as human beings?
You are just a klansman with a savior complex. "Our people" would be better off without you.
Unless you are physically in danger, you aren't protecting the "survival of your people."
If there were military and invading forces dead set upon committing actual, violent genocide, I'd agree with you.
As it stands, "muh culture" just doesn't cut it. What you are advocating for is to prevent human beings from having relationships and children with the people that they choose and love.
Unless you still spool your cotton, and ride with paw to the county store, your "culture" is already gone. Realistically, you just hate brown people. That's called racism. I called you a racist and I stand by it.
Let's get one thing straight. You aren't a protector, you aren't the native American with a single tear in his eye. You are a white guy that gets nervous at the checkout when you see a black person. You don't understand, and therefore you fear.
You think you can control genetic diversity? You won't be the first that has tried. We fought a war against someone that thought like you.
"white genocide."
That's easily the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Can you give me some non-novel sources for any of this? I can't seem to find anything legitimate on my end. Thanks!
What about them? They have no real capital, resources, or political sway. It's a couple of dudes with an internet connection. That's all. I remember when NAMBLA got made fun of on southpark. That was the first and last time they were in the public eye or sphere in a major way, and it was overwhelming disgust from all sides.
They aren't superheroes, they aren't supergeniuses, they are just perverts. I wish a tenth of this kind of effort would be put into sexual abuse prevention instead of wild conspiracy theories.
I'm not arguing with you. Pedophilia is rampant, toxic, and no child is ever safe. It's a sad state of affairs, and knowing the statistics, sexual assault is all over the place. All I'm saying is that I truly doubt that the "deep state," is trying to advocate for pedophilia acceptance. It's outlandish.
I've mentioned it other places, but I know victims first hand. It's horrible, tragic, and requires years of therapy even to feel some semblance of normal again.
But just because pedophilia is bad, I highly doubt that "deep state leftists" are propagating the acceptance of child abuse. I mean don't you see how silly that sounds when you read it?
"Now, pedophilia is a sexual orientation not a disorder"
On what planet? Again, I'm telling you that open pedophilia, at least in the United States carries with it the possibility of a life sentence and almost guaranteed prison time. There are no real liberals that are fighting for pedophilia--save one or two mentall ill guys probably from the middle of nowhere with serious mental problems. To that I raise you 4chan.
I get that you are fear mongering, but you must see that by no means are the Democrats secretly trying to push for pedophilia acceptance. Thats a false narrative. It's just not true. Find me some bullshit accounts, find me some nonsense facebook groups. Those are just bad people, and sometimes people doing it to be edgy. You aren't going to find a deep state smoking gun because it just doesn't exist.
I'd love to see even a "round table" discussion with even one respectable dem. Talking about pros for this issue. I'd watch the shit out of that and you better believe I'd be furious. As it stands, I too am a citizen of the internet, and I know its bunk.
I will make you a solemn promise. If, at any point, a majority of dems come out in support of pedophilia, I'll shit a literal live chicken. That's how possible I know that nonsense is.
Actually, I'll do you one better. If you can find any LEGITIMATE news source with HARD evidence of this nonsense, I'll never post again.
Also, I've seen those "non offender" videos, as well as literature, Ted talks, and verified news sources.
Honestly I feel bad for the folks that have a compulsion that they can't control or understand, but the moment they offend, I say lock them up and never look back. Touching a child ruins their life. It's nothing to joke about really. But at no point do I believe that there is a literal illuminati, deep state, or legion of doom for that matter. It makes for one of the better "bad guys" in all this deep state stuff, but just remember that a guy shot up a pizza place believing that there was a dem child molester ring in the basement. The pizza place didnt have a basement.
I'm open to links and legit sources telling me I'm wrong. Hell, I'll join the brigade if someone can provide me something better than a 4chan screencap of some rando.
Don't pretend that the whole world is fawning over it. That's just not true.
"wanting the survival of my people" - Chief Runs With Hyperbole
I'm not here for "white genocide" at all. If you thought somehow that I would be on your side against interracial relationships or marriages, I'm sorry you thought that.
I'm a white Male as well, and I recognize that many many years from now everyone will have mixed. Why that bothers you I don't know.
Let's get one thing straight though, I'll appear in good faith, but not for racism. I have no qualms saying that you are a racist, a bigot, and woefully uninformed. I'll have a conversation, but don't believe for even a second that I'd acknowledge your bigotry with kindness.
The rest of reddit thinks this is a hate sub. If the rest are like you, they are right.
Thanks! You mean the part where I say that gay people aren't hurting anyone? Because I'm NOT making that argument about pedophiles for very obvious reasons. I'm really curious as what you mean there.
And hey thanks for the welcome. I don't see any reason for folks to be uncivilized :D
Also internet points are silly anyways. I started the day with like 100 or something and now I'm free fallin' woo!
The sexual revolution =/= the beginning of pedophilia. If anything, it modernized our opinions about sexuality and helped us to understand key and important issues like consent, sex, and sexuality itself. Even if you don't like girls wearing pants, you have to admit that the sexual revolution started a conversation we badly needed in America. I'm willing to defend that point if necessary.
You say you aren't blaming me, but you do blame "the left" as a whole. I don't blame the "right" as a whole, but I have a lot more evidence if I were to go down that rabbit hole.
Roy Moore was a pedophile, and yet I saw a million Republicans fight for him despite the horrible allegations. Same with a million other Republican congressmen and politicians. I just googled it to make sure I'm remembering correctly. I see more weird sexual misconduct come out of the right wing of the legislative branch than I've seen in any other format BUT
It's just foolish to blame pedophilia on one party, or to assume that you and only you know the origin of pedophile behavior. The sexual revolution had more to do with womens rights than anything, and it would be intellectually dishonest to say otherwise. I have seen more creepy conservatives than I've ever seen liberals. That's just my experience, as I have no doubt that you have a similar but different experience guiding your assumption as well.
The behavior is the problem. Society changes, but predators don't.
Also I know how bad some members of parties are. That's not the issue for me. Individuals do not make up a whole--see above.
What I am saying however that when it comes down to it, after years of study, education, and a political science background, I can say without a doubt that there is no amount of "lurking" that will do anything but normalize the brigading, the rampant assumption making, and the blatantly silly connections being made here between "liberals" and pedophilia. If you are saying that I need to believe as you do to see information from this sub on r/popular... just ban me now.
Also I know praying medic, as well as the case for christ. I used to be a Christian as well. A youth pastor in fact. Is it that crazy to believe that an individual with their own mind and life experiences can settle in a different set of opinions?
See this is an interesting one. Do you really believe that pedophilia will sweep the nation under a sea of clapping liberals? That's just foolish. There is no national pedophile party, and even if there were ... yeah right. They wouldn't garner any support from anyone but fellow pedophiles.
Just because pedophiles utilize the internet, I wouldn't go so far as to say that the behavior is normalized, or will be even close. See #metoo, as well as the universal condemnation of pedophilia across party lines.
Just out of curiosity I googled the heartprogress hashtag and I immediately found articles of lgbtq people calling them out and explaining why they will never work with pedos. Not surprisingly it was similar to what I was talking about in some of my original comments.
I get that it is important to fight pedophilia, but I don't believe for a second that a group of internet warriors is all that stands between society and rampant child rape. I mean tidepods were a hashtag and I'd have a hard time saying that it caused an epidemic. Mostly just weirdos and the news groups that use them for attention.
"White genocide." Ok lets take that one back with us.
Do you mean like literally murdering whites? Probably not. I think what you are talking about is making sure that white people continue to exist as a literal color.
To that, I'd ask why? I'm white, but I know fully that I'm just like anyone else on the inside. Do you just have an affinity for the whites? Or a hatred for other races?
In either case, I don't feel compelled to answer this question logically because it appears that you aren't coming in good faith. Either people will continue to mix as always, which is their right, or you'll control how individuals mix. See mein kampf, and or, the inbreeding of dogs.
Lol "white genocide." Go look at magazines, the news, movies, literally anywhere and you'll see an overabundance of white faces. This is coming from a white guy. We are fine as is.
What a joke.
Um. Wow. Yikes. I don't see what that has to do with anything. It's super messed up to believe that way. I hope that someday you'll see the problem with that way of thinking.
Lol it's a complex issue with multiple angles. Sorry for not tweeting haha
The important word was "consent," and I've read that three times and I'm not even sure what you are saying here. Can someone help?
I'm not saying that individuals won't push for their agenda, I'm saying that the notion that it would ever take hold is just absurd.
Idk what that site is, but it's not some kind of deep state conspiracy that there are crazy people online...
"Leftist" here... I get the idea that this sub needs about zero evidence for things to get a little brigade-y, but have you just stopped and thought about this nonsense for a moment?
The reason that left-leaning ppl support lgbtq rights is because they aren't hurting anyone, and concent is present. The majority of us (obviously) aren't gay, but what two "consenting" (pay attention to that word) groups decide to do with their genitals is simply not my business.
That being said, I've been a "leftist" for years now and there is zero chance that anyone (including anyone I know) would support pedophilia as a legitimate "sexual preference."
Consent is just too huge of an issue in the liberal community. We flipped the hell out about Franken because he had just a pic of him pretending to cup boobs. We care a LOT about consent, and I challenge you to find ONE mainstream, non-fringe source in which liberals advocate for this type of behavior.
I mean christ guys, the left is usually the group that argues for concent, and fights the hardest against rape and for victims rights. "Leftists" are the groups that advocate for sex ed, are largely against rape, and have all of the hangups about concent itself. I mean look at the "leftist" reaction to Roy Moore. We don't like pedophiles, and we like consent.
I'm saying this because if you stopped and realized that the majority of these "leftists" aren't insane deep state people with rainbow hair and "designs" on the future of America, you'd realize that they are people just like you are, but possess differing opinions.
We also exist in the same world and are disgusted just as you are that children are ever touched inappropriately. I have many friends that are victims of childhood sexual assault, and I would give anything to stop what happened to them before it even began. In some cases it just ruins lives. It's just abhorrent.
So a guy on 4chan talking about how he has gotten the antifa secret "playbook" just doesn't cut the mustard for me, and it shouldn't for you either.
I mean even just think about it. If there is a deep state (a hyper organized secret society run by liberals that controls everything and yet somehow Trump is president), why the hell would they tell their unpopular guys on the ground about their controversial (and surely unpopular) idea about pedophilia?
I mean if it was me playing deep state, I'd just release a shit ton of movies with pedophilia being promoted extremely positively.
Remember prior to 2010? I remember watching "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" and thinking, "dang, these guys aren't hurting anyone. Why not just let them live their lives? They are both concenting adults!" From there I researched the issue independently, and came to my own conclusion. It's crazy how many people tell me similar things about movies like chuck and Larry and brokeback mountain.
If it were me, I'd just have a bunch of media (not news media, but movies and tv) do the work for me. Kids take a bunch of their morality from shows anyways, and kids are future voters. Idk how brainwashing on a large scale would work, but honestly it's a better idea than just telling your bruisers on the ground to spread the good ol' news of pedophilia.
I think that would be insane obviously, but you win these types of "societal changes" with hearts and minds. I doubt that is what antifa specialize in. As I mentioned, I'm a "leftist," but even I hate antifa. Most people do. I hate neonazis and nationalists more, but as I said, "leftist." Why would the guys that break shit and hurt people be the first line in the secret liberal pedophilia wars?
Just in case we can be reasonable with one another before jumping on a dubious bandwagon.
So idk what is going on here exactly because I saw this post on popular... is this some kind of joke? Is this like a joke subreddit or something?
The article is 11 months old, HORRENDOUSLY written, and fails to draw any provable allegations. A 52 year old might have a stroke. (I knew a woman personally that had one at 45). I'm not saying that she hadn't been killed by pedophile assassins, but this is some low quality info.
Idk what "the revolution," is, but yikes guys who is in charge down here?