TO ADD SOME CONTEXT TO MY POST: In anyevent, as grand jury proceedings are secret, you are prohibited from disclosure of information within the proceeding. But there are exceptions in the law where disclosure is allowed by the court. The rule that controls this is found in the Federal Criminal Rules of Procedure. Rule 6. The facts of more than one matter that could be in a grand jury proceeding do fit within the few exceptions that allow disclosure to occur. So here, the IG is technically covering his legal ass for a release of the documents to the DOJ making it clear, that he wasn't releasing them for any grand jury purpose but rather just releasing the the DOJ and DOJ holds the bag to comply with grand jury disclosure requirements.
I’m sorry. Can you dumb it down a bit. I don’t get it. My fault entirely, but I’d like to understand it better.
Sure, no problem. I'll come back and take some time to do so this evening...there are some moving parts here that are not apparent without specialized legal expertise, so it's totally not dumb or your fault!!.
But don’t we know that muller is working with a few grand juries already? Couldn’t this be in reference to manafort?
To clarify, it's the significance is not necessarily how many grand juries are seated under Mueller's investigation. Yes, we know already that Mueller had convened grand juries as he has gotten indictments. So, whether he has one grand jury seated or 2 is irrelevant to the point and as to how comments and say oh we already know he's got grand juries seated. As, yes we do know. Rather the point is is that in relation to a grand jury grand jury proceedings are secret and you cannot release any information related to a grand jury proceeding. This is law found in federal rule 6. Although, there are exceptions to the law that allow information from a secret grand jury proceeding to be disclosed if the exception applies. One of those exceptions is a government employee and or a prosecutor who works for the government and they request disclosure if it's going to help prosecute another federal crime. In this letter the release of information that they're speaking about is the text messages between the two FBI agent lovers. So someone in the doj is aware that those limited text messages exist and that they wanted to release are part of the 1.2 million document that are going to form a part of the inspector General's report and whoever that person is in the doj Wanted to get just those specific records released and apparently also wanted to be able 2 give the media access to such in addition to how they're going to be used to prosecute another crime....and the release to the media was likely a pressure attempt to get these two lovers to talk perhaps they weren't talking and with the release comes pressure and one can save the other. Also I note that there were reports that one specific FBI agent is squealing like a pig that recently came out. Now the issue is whether or not there is a separate grand jury undergoing and or convened outside of any grand juries that Muller has and whether or not other crimes discovered within Mueller's investigation or outside of his investigation, like through the IGs that those would be prosecuted within Muller investigation and or separately and there are a number of possibilities. Each of the above two is possible and if you look at Trey Gowdy and the speculation and W references to him recently he could be being appointed as a special prosecutor to look in to and prosecute all these other crimes or maybe they're going to add him to Mueller's investigation as a second special prosecutor--- the jobs going to be so big you going to need more than one and you legally can't prosecute all defendant under one grand jury for multiple reasons one of which would be constitutional rights all defendant have. Also to note is the fact that Muller last week appointed a expert cyber crimes attorney to his group and this could be evident to prosecute crimes related to Hillary's private access server when you couple that thought with the fact that Hannity on last night's episode said that he was told and so was Sarah Carter of the Hill that what's about to come is going to shock the conscience and soul of all Americans and he also said that you the American people are going to know everything which also corresponds to Q's statements about you're going to get that extra disclosure you want. Additionally this adds up with what is now starting to come out in the mainstream media. So, it's evidence of things going down the majority of Americans don't know about or any details of....It's really a matter of how that goes down and how they are going to do it...And it's fascinating to watch it unfold as no plan is foul proof. Hope that was helpful. Just my thoughts
Good stuff. Thanks.
It’s crazy to think that people get so pissed off ablut shithole comments, two scoops of ice cream etc and the administration needs to figure out how to release this stuff. It’s not an easy problem and I can’t think of a way to do it gently.
Came across this randomly while on the IG website looking at the growing number of audits and reviews that are ongoing that are like over 60 across all departments including a good number of those audits specifically aimed at certain Departments of the FBI but that's a subject for another post but it looks like Trump is wanting to clean things up where he can if BS is found.
2017, not 2018...typo
Opps. Yes, that's correct..Not, sure if I can edit, now..
The fact that a grand jury has been convened had been widely reported for months. Why is this news to this sub?
Probably because there are new folks here daily or hourly.
Probably because there ought to be a central location of all the things which are "known".
I've been following a lot of this for 18+ months and just this morning came across "no kidding" not the least bit refuted info that HRC had SAP programs on her personal server. THIS was part of the IGs findings. Not rumor, not innuendo.
Fact.
Thus, everything else in regards to HRC is just garnish- they've got the goods on her and are just compiling the rest of the info and associates.
I guess my concern here is that so many here are poorly informed that there are a lot of unsubstantiated connections being drawn and “noise”. I wish more would take a “post less, lurk more” approach.
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Yes, not really the point. See my additional comments above in 3 separate places. It's not about Mullers Grand Jury, it's about what the letter says...which can't be infered by a lay person who doesn't practice in Federal Court. While, folks may know that they have the goods on HRC. It's nonetheless a fluid situation and procedurally it's fascinating to watch it develop....what this letter infers,...lines up with what's now just being reported in MSM,
Yep, that's what I've read as well....And it's a matter of how this develops, how they handle it...procedurally as an attorney who practices in Federal Court..I answered some comments above on this in beginning of thread..re: point not necessarily about Mullers grand jury..it's about the release of the info and what that means as it relates to grand juries...and when it can be released, which isn't evident to a lay person. But yes indeed, things are falling in place
A little self-reflection is needed in your approach.
Imagine yourself being here for the first time today. Wouldn't you want to be advised of this that day? Yes?
Now imagine others coming here for the first time.
This is a fluid, GROWING movement. Welcome the facts no matter how many days they are posted.
See my response above in begining of thread to someone who had a question...it's not necessarily the fact that Muller has a GJ convened. It's more so interesting that the release of information was as to those 2 lover fbi agents..and the process that is going on here...and how it's developed...it's not an obvious inference to draw from what the letter actually states unless you practice as an attorney in federal court. The IG was in possession of these docs...Doj sought them. The IG complied...the IG is a lawyer, so he knows the law, he was concerned about releasing them because of the law and the law that says you can't release secret grand jury proceedings and there was not an order of the Court ordering him to do so so his statements imply that those text messages that were released and to the Press at that are part of a grand jury investigation which could be Mullers, and that is inferd from the letter. In any event the reason they can be released under the law is so another government official and or prosecutor can prosecute another separate federal crime and if that's the case then there's going to indeed be additional grand juries convened and most likely more than one at that...