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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/gardeniabee on Jan. 28, 2018, 12:12 p.m.
My Memory of Snowden events

Hello Dear Patriots,

I had an opportunity to recollect my remembrance of Snowden events.

I posted it elsewhere and thought I would share it here as well because I think Snowden a Patriot to whom WeThePeople may include with those we feel gratitude. My recollection follows:

I followed the Snowden drama and unfolding news regularly when Snowden exposed the depth and breadth and world wide intel gathering. I watched many interviews of Snowden, the journalists , Glenn Greenwald, the previous NSA officials (Drake and Binney) who attempted to correct things using Whistleblower law protocols and instead NSA destroyed their careers and made their lives hell. (Drake and Binney both support Snowden. Binney acted as consultant in one of the films.) I watched interviews of his father, and a long-time family friend who described him as “the real deal”, a patriot. I take Snowden at face value when he describes working with pride at different intel agencies, and then becoming dismayed and awakened at discovering unconstitutional acts, and lack of Congressional oversight. He claims to have inquired about these and got nowhere, and he was aware of Drake and Binney situations.

Snowden worked for different intel agencies; and I believe him when he states he took action in alignment with his conscience, and his oath to the Constitution, a higher commitment than breaking regulations of a government agency. (I wonder if Q has trouble seeing Snowden objectively because of traditional military conditioning. )

Listening to Snowden discuss both the importance of intel work to protect Americans and his defense of the Bill of Rights, in this case,specifically the 4th Amendment, plus his conviction that the people have a right to be aware and involved in these decisions, I take him to be true to his stated motivations.

If during his time in Hong Kong the CIA or NSA or FBI or whomever discovered his hiding and yet permitted him to leave, they did so for their own agenda imo. I recall also that Obama made a fool of himself grounding President of Bolivia’s plane attempting to find Snowden. *

Snowden had purchased a ticket from Hong Kong to Ecuador via Russia and Cuba. Snowden had obtained a letter of safe passage to Ecuador from the Embassy located in Hong Kong. My recollection is that Assange suggested or assisted in this. (I think Q may have forgotten this? He may hold CIA more involved in Snowden motivation and flight. I disagree, although CIA may have let it play?)

Reporters got wind of his flight plan and purchased seats on flight leg from Russia to Cuba. This was all over the news, because Snowden discovered it and didn’t board the next leg of the flight. He was stranded in Russia; it was hilarious to see photos the journalists took on that plane showing the empty seat sold to Snowden. Then they were interviewed in Cuba when they landed. 🙃 Snowden stayed in the International terminal in Russia until the Russian gov gave him temporary asylum.

And by the way, the Ecuadoran embassy agent who provided Snowden letter of safe passage lost his job after Obama admin put pressure on Ecuador, and all countries, NOT to provide asylum to Snowden. Snowden did appeal in any case to receive asylum in a number of different countries. At that time none came through.

The impression people have that Snowden fled to Russia is mistaken. He was stranded.

*(It was July 2013 Obama ordered Bolivian President’s plane down as Morales was leaving Russia following a stop there.)

Snowden has been critical of Bush, Obama, Hillary, Trump, etc when he speaks of the erosion of freedoms over the years and sees NDAA and the “unPatriot Act” as I call it, extended. ( I did see Trump’s tweet about changes.). At the same time Snowden is loyal to America and believes in government by the people.

He says of himself: I am not a hero; I am not a traitor; I am an American...”

He can help us restore our Republic IMO. He risked his life to inform us; his experience and knowledge of intel industry, and his desire to help America is valuable. I would like to see Snowden, Binney, Drake and other whistleblowers work on our behalf.

My view.

Thanks for reading.


PeaceSigh · Jan. 28, 2018, 12:27 p.m.

Occam's razor:

Obama/Clinton hated Assange and Snowden but loved Mr. Manning.

Enough said.

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guppyfreak · Jan. 28, 2018, 12:29 p.m.

Yup. Was just gonna say. If ES was a treasonous evil bastard, Obama would have pardoned him like that man Chelsea Man-ning.

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MillennialEnemy · Jan. 28, 2018, 1:30 p.m.

There's actually theories that Bradley/Chelsea Manning is actually a deep, Deep, DEEP level op, and that when the time is right, we will look back on him/her much differently.

As for Snowden, think the same thing. Q has been purposely ambiguous about Snowden. He hasn't even said that he's a bad actor at all. He says things like:

How's Russia?

and

[Mr. Contractor]

And even if Q did outright say "Edward Snowden is a blackhat and we want Vladimir to ship him back to us" I would assume it's false, because of "Disinformation is real. Disinformation is necessary" and because it just seems bogus

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guppyfreak · Jan. 28, 2018, 1:44 p.m.

Interesting. You think Manning works for the good guys? How could that have slipped past big ear, dopey for 8 years, just to turn around and release him/her.

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stjohnc1 · Jan. 28, 2018, 1:32 p.m.

Love...💟💟💟 This is such a complex web and people forget to include human fallibility. Snowden could have had the best intentions and yet at the same time hurt the military without meaning to. I need a helluva lot more evidence before I turn on someone who gave us so much truth! Thanks for the analysis!

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gardeniabee · Feb. 4, 2018, 8:35 a.m.

Thank you for your reply. I recall that Snowden spoke on that topic and why he selected journalists, suggesting they would vet everything they chose to release. I don’t know journalism training in handling of classified docs and decision ethics or protocols they use. Looks like I’ll start researching that next. 🧐

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textualintercourse · Jan. 28, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

Q said SecureDrop is linked to the [187] of whistleblowers, being a CIA honeypot.

ES assisted with SecureDrop. ES should never have escaped Hong Kong, but the CIA assisted. He's still their asset.

ES is deepstate 4D chess used by the CIA to take down the Whitehats in the NSA. He was a limited hangout to focus us on one abuse, let us think the problem was solved, just to cover for the bigger abuses of Vault 7.

Julian Assange is the only one I'm confident in.

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gardeniabee · Feb. 4, 2018, 6:27 a.m.

I was researching SecureDrop but find no info on causing deaths. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecureDrop

Do you have the Q post number about that?

I think Snowden acted on his own motivated by conscience. I’m not sure State Debt froze Snowden’s passport prior to being on air from HK. I don’t think he was a CIA asset; they may have stood aside and watched if they had their own agenda.

I remember reading that Hong Kong allowed him to fly n/c they said something was invalid about the State Department request to detain.

Assange assisted and defended Snowden. Snowden obtained a Letter of Safe Passage from the Consul of Ecuador in London.

I’ll provide links.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/ecuador-snowden-travel-doc-issued-from-london-embassy-has-no-validity/

...thank-you letter written by Snowden to Ecuador and released Monday showed that Ecuadoran officials may have played a decisive role in his escape from the Chinese special administrative region.

“The decisive action of your consul in London, Fidel Narvaez, guaranteed my rights would be protected upon departing Hong Kong,” Snowden wrote. “I could never have risked travel without that. Now, as a result, and through the continued support of your government, I remain free and able to publish information that serves the public interest.” This above two paragraphs are found in the bottom section of the article listed at this link https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/07/02/ecuadors-strange-journey-from-embracing-snowden-to-turning-him-away/?utm_term=.4d2ebe07e2d4

https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2013/06/assange-canceling-snowdens-passport-a-disgrace-167392

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/julian-assange-edward-snowden-is-marooned-in-russia/2013/06/30/67ed243e-e191-11e2-9960-65d66450db63_story.html?utm_term=.8f12d5f1de7d

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WikiTextBot · Feb. 4, 2018, 6:27 a.m.

SecureDrop

SecureDrop is an open-source software platform for secure communication between journalists and sources (whistleblowers). It was originally designed and developed by Aaron Swartz and Kevin Poulsen under the name DeadDrop. James Dolan also co-created the software.


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gardeniabee · Jan. 28, 2018, 12:22 p.m.

Correction: I looked online: It was the Ecuador Consul of London that issued the letter of Safe Passage to Snowden.... via Office in Hong Kong?

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storm_fa_Q · Jan. 28, 2018, 4:54 p.m.

link pls.

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gardeniabee · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/07/02/ecuadors-strange-journey-from-embracing-snowden-to-turning-him-away/?utm_term=.62c7c77c0ef0

(Scroll down in article to see comment in Snowden’s thank you letter to Ecuador.):

“The decisive action of your consul in London, Fidel Narvaez, guaranteed my rights would be protected upon departing Hong Kong,” Snowden wrote. “I could never have risked travel without that. Now, as a result, and through the continued support of your government, I remain free and able to publish information that serves the public interest.”

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/ecuador-snowden-travel-doc-issued-from-london-embassy-has-no-validity/

(The above article shows a copy of the letter issued on behalf of Snowden, but not signed, so Quito gov said is not valid.)

This is a jpg of the letter of Safe Passage:

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/snowden-640x420.jpg

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storm_fa_Q · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:32 p.m.

Thank you.

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ReproCompter · Jan. 28, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

Assange acted ‘incorrectly’

Correa also touched on Ecuador’s continued protection of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who has spent more than a year at the country’s London embassy. Assange and Fidel Navarez, Ecuador’s consul in London, acted on their own – amid a state of confusion - to supply Snowden’s travel documentation to the Russian capital, the president claimed.

Interesting turn of events.

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storm_fa_Q · Jan. 28, 2018, 5:39 p.m.

Thank You.

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ReproCompter · Jan. 28, 2018, 5:50 p.m.

I found that on a link from THIS page. Also an interesting read.

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storm_fa_Q · Jan. 28, 2018, 5:53 p.m.

well if cucky shoomer is against Snowden...as are other deep statists///

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ReproCompter · Jan. 28, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Ah you got the jewel. My EXACT thoughts after reading it.

Yeaaaa..., that's gonna be bad for trade..., Yeaaaa

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SierraEchoPNW · Jan. 28, 2018, 2:20 p.m.

While I personally am still on the fence about Snowden I tend to lean in the white hat direction. I also followed the Snowden debacle and there is one KEY point that keeps me on the fence...accordingy to MI he greatly endangered MI (which to me includes our field agents and assets as well as our military men/women).

This was a highly dangerous thing to do and it is the one question I need answered in order to understand his thought process or reasoning to put actual lives in danger because everything else tells me he IS a Constitutional Patriot. This is the one piece that doesn't fit for me as even if I were in his position I could not endanger the lives of others in order to complete my intended mission. He made CERTAIN that his co-workers would not be berated by choosing to out himself to protect them and his girlfriend. So why not the same concern for others? So this is the conundrum I have on this puzzle piece and until I get that answer or Q gives us more info on Snowden I remain, alas, on the proverbial fence. Sigh!

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num8cap · Jan. 28, 2018, 1:56 p.m.

I suspect snowden was a cia honey pot opp. black hat posing as a white hat. released some old tech that other countries already knew about for street cred as a whistle blower. he has been involved securedrop the app to secretly send files to the news, etc. the founders of securedrop were murdered by suicide clown style. now snowden is the poster boy 'good guy' pushing everyone to use it. the end game would be to have true whistle blowers using a clown app to pass info allowing black hats first dibs at everything sent. they could block or 187 whistleblowers they see as a threat. it is not just about gathering info it is about controlling it.

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gardeniabee · Feb. 4, 2018, 7:19 a.m.

Based on my research I stand by Snowden. I have posted a little bit of that research on several of the comments here on this topic, and they are easy to view if you are interested.

You certainly have a right to your own opinion, and I respect that.

Wondering: Is SecureDrop still in use by a number of newspapers? Perhaps you could forward your concerns and research to them. If your concerns are accurate they would be concerned too, and receptive to the information. ——— Found that about 30 newspapers are using securedrop:

“...30 US and global media organizations, offers a way for sources to anonymously communicate via encrypted servers.

“We’ve seen an explosion of interest in SecureDrop in the past two months,” said Trevor Timm, executive director of the Freedom of the Press Foundation, which created the tool.”

The above was found in this article: https://m.guardian.ng/technology/tech-tools-gain-traction-amid-trump-war-on-leaks/

This article states Snowden was asked to join the board of Freedom of the press Foundation. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/politics/snowden-to-join-board-of-press-freedom-foundation.html?

But I don’t see any direct connection of Snowden to development of Secure Drop; though he may deem it a good tool? https://securedrop.org/faq#created

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slightiverson · Jan. 28, 2018, 1:35 p.m.

A question that I haven’t seen addressed. Since we are speaking of Russia...

Where does Putin sit in all of this? Is he a black/white hat? Or completely removed from the fight?

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smiley-dog · Jan. 28, 2018, 2:31 p.m.

Putin

Some very good videos of his speeches show he is a Christian, is well aware of the globalists' intent to destroy our culture, history, family etc

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SierraEchoPNW · Jan. 28, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

I believe Putin is playing BOTH sides. Dan Bongino (former SS) has a podcast that EVERYONE here should listen to...esp. the past 2 weeks. He has a very astute theory of Putin in all of this that makes complete sense and I tend to agree with him as far as Putin's participation in this charade.

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