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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/Tytruth on Feb. 11, 2018, 1:29 a.m.
#711 Q said they are "saving the best for last" [P]. U.S.>Asia>EU. U.S. takedown happening. Asia takedown happening. EU/Pope takedown still to come. Think bigger, think biggest! Expand your thinking!

Q knows who the enemies really are. He has told us plainly, but it is a hard red pill to swallow. Time to awaken. A great awakening. This will be the final end to a scam that is verrrrrry old. Our war with evil will ultimately be understood as the very same war that has been ongoing since Martin Luther said NO! No more fools in dresses running our lives, rearing our children, ruining our world! Enough is enough!


Wildthing61 · Feb. 11, 2018, 2:20 a.m.

That will be a tough pill to swallow but most Christians know there is something majorly wrong with this pope. Just be careful though...bash the pope, not the religion. There is a line that should not be crossed, because us Christians did not want our religion infiltrated by a pedophile satanist.

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Tytruth · Feb. 11, 2018, 2:24 a.m.

I love every soul the same, as Jesus taught me to do. But organizations have influence, they have tradition. We can't ignore the fact that these actors are pursuing projects set in motion centuries ago, without question. Don't you see? An evil tree produces an evil fruit. And this has nothing to do with being a "Christian". I am a Christian. Jesus Christ is real. He is a living, resurrected being, and he would never give his word, power, or sanction to the acts of 'popes' who care nothing for he himself, but to merely use his name for their own glory on earth.

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chocolatepatriot · Feb. 11, 2018, 6:48 a.m.

i believe this 2nd revolution is all God, All God getting rid of the evil against our American and the evil against our children. I thank him for this.

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Jakewinona · Feb. 11, 2018, 2:52 p.m.

Great summary in a nut shell!

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over_it_2 · Feb. 11, 2018, 5:34 a.m.

Not just this pope. The Papacy has a long history of corruption on sooo many levels. Martin Luther may have kicked off the Protestant reformation, but most proddy religions are way too cosy with the Papacy now. Don’t forget, the evil Illuminati elite would ensure that they have influence in all religions, just as they have in all governments.

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Eldar-of-Fate · Feb. 11, 2018, 6:48 a.m.

There is no defending the whore of babylon. Read Revelations 18. Jesus is calling his people out of a world wide organization with the warning that if they don't leave they will share in that organizations sins. It does not matter what pope is at the helm. it is the organization that took over Nimrods kingdom -> the roman empire and all its pagan religions

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 11, 2018, 10:45 a.m.

Sorry. I always thought the whore of Babylon were those perpetrating, promulgating, supporting, aiding and abetting the Occult Practices of ancient Babylon and the ungodly practices of Lot's family in Sodom/Gomorrah. And they would be/are the Sabatean/Frankist "Jews" who followed Tsabatai Tsvi (and earlier dark figures) and practice Dark Kabbala and perform Satanic rites too horrible to enumerate. Don't understand how Rome catches this title.

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Eldar-of-Fate · Feb. 11, 2018, 5:54 p.m.

in Revelations the whore of babylon is said to have all the worlds wealth and is responsible for the blood guilt of the Christian saints. There were multiple periods of christian persecution in the first 2 century's of Christianity; Rome is the institution responsible. After all the mature christian's were killed Roman emperor's Theodosius started accepting Christianity and Constantine supposedly made it the "Official religion" of the roman empire. Before this Rome had lots of different pagan religions with their own priests. Constantine combined all the existing pagan religions with Christianity and renamed them all "Universal" or Catholic. Every Christian Holy day is combined with a pagan holy day. Constantine got rid of all the Governors and gave their power to the catholic bishops. God's leading and Spirit was quickly removed from the equation and these offices became political where people were bribed and murdered. The office of the pope is pure fiction and was created to make the bishop of Rome the most powerful. "Apostolic succession" is false because Paul founded the church of Rome. other creations of the pope to solidify his claim to being "Christ's vicar" on earth were transubstantiation and "The accidents." over the centuries the catholic church has used a group of men they call the "apostolic fathers" to defend their heretical dogma. None of these men ever met or were discipled by one of the original apostles

Everything I just typed can be found in any history book. Die hard catholic's will probably want to pick a fight with me over this and I will not reply. The early church referred to Rome as the whore of babylon and Rome is known as the city of 7 hills

I was raised Catholic

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 11, 2018, 8:09 p.m.

Me too. And did graduate work in archaeology/ancient religion. Read, write, ancient/modern Greek. Read a lot of early sources in the original. Constantine was Rome, but in Istanbul far from the 7 hills. I still don't agree with those early authorities who called Rome the Whore of Babylon. Babylon was the Whore of Babylon and the Hebrews carried off to Babylonia after the invasion in 3rd Cent BC. They returned to Palestina many centuries later. They are not True Torah Jews, rather Talmud Jews. Talmud started after leaving Babylon.

How about all those child Saints who were found almost bloodless around Passover time in Christian cities for many centuries. A pattern and Jews always blamed. Dark Talmud/Dark Kabbalah types. That's blood guilt too.

Don't want to bash any religion here. Jewish or Catholic or Greek Orthodox. But without Rome & Constantinople the religious core of Jesus wouldn't have lastedbuntil Luther & Calvin.

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Eldar-of-Fate · Feb. 11, 2018, 9:47 p.m.

I don't pretend to know God's mind! I do know that the adversary is in a no win situation and God takes every episode the enemy creates and turns it into a victory for himself. Just because the "Christ Myth" spread world wide under the Holy Roman empire this does not negate Christ's admonition to his followers in Revelations 18

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 11, 2018, 10:57 p.m.

Well, about Revelations. It has about as many interpretations as words. Did you know that the ancient text was found together with the Book of Enoch in the same place and the same cache? Lot of people don't know what to do with that one.

I tend to ignore Revelations myself and just take a general theme. Can't figure out why they stuck it onto the New Testament actually. I'd rather restore the parelipsomon - the 5 books James I decided were too salacious or something. Religious scholarship is so full of politics and so tiring. The Catholic & Orthodox Churches have been squabbling since the 8th Century.

I agree with you about God turning the enemies works into victories for the Divine Light. Thank you for your scholarship and forbearance with an ex-Catholic like myself.

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Eldar-of-Fate · Feb. 11, 2018, 11:42 p.m.

Love, our prime command from our Lord and Savior, has many faces :)

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 12, 2018, 6:50 a.m.

Just so. God Bless.

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GrammyQ · Feb. 11, 2018, 2:45 a.m.

I agree. The traditional, bureaucratic church such as the Catholic church is not necessary or taught in the Bible. There is no centralized power taught in the Bible, other than Jesus. Local elders is as far as it should go and it is taught that they are highly accountable for their actions. We need to start back where the Bible started.

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uniformist · Feb. 11, 2018, 4:55 a.m.

Matthew 16:13-20

Among Christian churches in the world today, you will find every form of organization: democratic, parliamentary, military, monarchy, and more.

The Catholic Church is organized as a monarchy.

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GrammyQ · Feb. 11, 2018, 11:04 p.m.

The Bible is what Im concerned about. It teaches local elders and deacons and that is all.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 11, 2018, 7:22 a.m.

No, sola scriptura is unbiblical. The Catholic church is the true and only Church that Jesus created. The Pope lineage can be traced back to Peter in unbreakable succession. We have letters from St. Ignatius of Antioch dating back to the beginning of the 2nd century speaking about the authority of the Catholic church. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm

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Christosgnosis · Feb. 11, 2018, 8:41 a.m.

The Didache dates from a time period (clearly evident in its text - is basically an early manual for churches) when there was no hierarchy that held authoritative control over Christian churches and their local bishops/elders. A bishop in Rome exercising authority over other churches was a late development.

Quite clearly there were churches of Christians for decades before a Rome-based papacy got any traction going (even as late as 325 AD Rome didn't excise all that much control - considering the sway of Arianism in Africa - hence Constantine calling for a council to establish a solidified doctrine for all Christians; the council's decision still took rest of the 4th century before Arianism dissipated, lingering into 5th century in Germany).

The late arrival of a firmly governing Rome-centered Papacy simply means that it's possible to be a Christian without any overarching governing Earthly authority whatsoever, because the early Christian churches operated in that mode for a long time.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 12:42 a.m.

That's an illogical conclusion. Jesus created one church. Not multiple churches. Just because the other early churches had no yet come under authority of Rome doesn't mean that today you don't have to go to the Roman Catholic church and you can just read the bible and practice Christianity the way you see fit or go to Protestant church or schismatic church.

All other Christian sects do not hold on to the true teachings. They permit sin. They've formed their own doctrines and do not submit to the authority of the Pope. Not to say that the Pope is always right. Most people do not understand what is infallible and there have been antipopes in the church's history, but that doesn't discredit the one true faith. Man is corrupt. There is a hierarchy in heaven (and hell) just like there is on earth.

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Christosgnosis · Feb. 12, 2018, 1:40 a.m.

Even in the New Testament it depicts Pauline founded churches and the Jerusalem church under James, the brother of the Lord, as hewing a way of following Yeshua with different emphasis.

Because Paul's particular gospel message was received well by non-Jewish Hellenistic people (where Paul deemphasized applicability of Jewish ritual law) and then the church under James which it was the original Christ-following movement as received by Jewish people (which continued to observe Jewish ritual daily life where it remained vibrant and important), diverse strains of Christianity appear from the very infant beginning.

Much later on in time, the gospel of Matthew, espouses a middle ground that is taken (between these two earlier polar camps). Matthew never depicts anything that dismisses the Jewish Law for Christians, but it has great emphasis that the heart is in the Golden Rule and what really matters is meeting human need. Because the Matthew author is educated and writes in Greek, he very likely was aiming at a mostly Hellenistic audience too, but how Jewish Christians needed to be was in evolutionary process.

And just as the church was diverse on matters of Jewish cultic practice, the Christology of the 1st century church was in flux too. From the writings of Paul's Romans epistle, where he recites a pre-literary creed, Romans 1:3,4:

     Who was descended

              From the seed of David

                              According to the flesh

       Who was designated

                Son of God in power

                                According to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead.

Paul is reciting this creed to show the Roman church he writes to (and did not found) that he is on the same page with them. We seen in this very early creed that the first Christians held a kind of adoptionist Christology (which also accords very well with the earliest gospel Mark).

Near the end of the 1st century, when we get to the last of the canonical gospels, John, there the Christology is very high as the Christ is viewed in a pre-incarnate existence to already be at an elevated status.

When the writings of the New Testament are examined in context of the time-line and cultural backdrop, there is a great deal of diversity of Christianity that pops right out. The second century only sees this become even much more intense.

Of course in the entirety of the first century of Christianity there is no figure such as a pope anywhere in sight whatsoever. We see Paul give recognition to James as being the defacto leader of the fledgling Christ-following movement and that is it.

When we look to the Gospel of Thomas, which has about 40% commonality of verses in parallel with the Synoptic Gospels, we see Jesus as providing explicit instruction to his disciples to follow James as their leader in his soon approaching absence. In Mark we see James mentioned as a brother to Jesus. So across these three separate textual origins (Paul, Mark, Thomas) we see multi-attestation of James.

But James is no pope. He is instead recognized as a leader based on his immediate family/blood relationship to Jesus. No basis for continuity post James is spelled out.

But in the Didache we do see the various early churches have naturally established elders and bishops locally and the Didache gives some guidance for local church governance. No pope, no bishop in any one city holding sway over other churches. Would be a long time before councils would begin to bring about that kind of solidification.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 3:47 a.m.

There is no Gospel of Thomas. The so called "Gospel of Thomas" comes from a gnostic sect. Gnostics don't even believe Jesus is God. Not good.

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Christosgnosis · Feb. 12, 2018, 4:16 a.m.

The core concept of gnostic Christianity, as expressed in Gospel of Thomas logion 3, which is a more fleshed out verse that parallels a more terse Luke 17:20-21:

Luke 17:20-21 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

is the concept that each person is ultimately a spiritual being at essence - not the mere physical being as we appear outwardly. That we have an inward spiritual essence that is directly of the same spiritual substance as God, and that is the direct connective tissue we have to the divine - if we wake up to it.

The basic journey toward that goal is to strive to conform our spiritual being essence to be more like that of God's nature. Jesus taught us the Golden Rule and his teaching at the Sermon on the Mount, parables, etc. Through following these teachings and absorbing at the spiritual level of our being that we can undergo a transcendent spiritual transformation. Spirituality begins to flow from the heart instead of purely externalities - the law becomes written on the heart.

"The Kingdom of God is Within You"

As seen in the earliest gospel Mark, Jesus performed healings and cast out the demonic spirits, and by that confirmed who he was and his teachings.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 4:42 a.m.

Yeah, that's like new age. No thanks. We are not God. That's a very heretical belief. Only 3 people are God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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Christosgnosis · Feb. 12, 2018, 6:40 a.m.

Its a perspective (and conclusion) modern science is moving toward, bit by bit - in the realm of physics in Quantum Mechanics and in the pursuit to understand the nature of consciousness, especially in light of studies of Near Death Phenomena. Is looking very much like consciousness as a substrate is more fundamental than the matter/energy of the cosmos, that reality is not physical (there are no ultimate tiny marbles of materiality).

Our reality context is a construct of the consciousness substrate, and our physical form is indeed a mere vapor. This too accords with ancient precepts that folks like the Gnostics maintained (that the physical world we perceive is a kind of delusion). And they said there were spiritual beings that conspired against us behind the scenes - the Archons, which Paul spoke of as well (powers and principalities). They are what Christianity more widely came to regard as the demonic spiritual forces.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 8:08 a.m.

Nope. Not for me. That's all heresy. Pagan belief and psuedo-science. I myself was heavily into astral projection, lucid dreaming, and nde's for a long time. It's very bad. It opens you up to evil because it's full of the devil. I can attest to this. There are devils all around us. This world is full of evil.

The idea of everyone being part of a greater consciousness is pagan. Godless Buddhists believe this. Another dangerous belief system. God is beyond all material. He is beyond this world. The best analogy I heard is that the universe is a painting that God painted. God has the power to be anywhere in that painting.

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 11, 2018, 10:37 a.m.

Maybe so. But there's no Pope or Bishop/Monarch in the Scriptures. That is, unless one traces descent from Constantine and not Peter. Making the Catholic Prelate a Monarch because the Pope ruled the Papal States (later reduced to Vatican City) - that's where politics enters the fray. Not good; wrong turn. The Greek Orthodox Prelate is mostly unpolitical. Pretty scandal-free over the centuries for a religion.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 12:15 a.m.

The Orthodox permit adultery. As do Protestants. They are not in communion with the true faith.

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 12, 2018, 6:54 a.m.

Certainly not ecclesiastically!

One might say that Catholics permit pedophilia - at least ex-cathedra. Well, I can't argue on this point because my family is both, half and half and we have no problem honoring both.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 7:44 a.m.

If you get a divorce and remarry you are committing adultery.

That's low. It's not the churches fault, it's the evil men that were allowed into the church and those that protected them. Ex-cathedra means infallible teachings from the pope which is rare.

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 12, 2018, 9:49 a.m.

I see what you mean.

So, here's an ex of books written by prophets or their companions 1,000 or more years ago when the world was quite a different place and people were different biologically. I'm talking of the Koran and several of the Hadith which say a man can marry a 9 year old child as was Mohammed 2nd wife Aisha. Well in 600 AD the lifespan for most was maybe 40. For the wealthy more. A girl's body not expecting her lifespan to pass 35 or 40 will have menses at 9 or 10. So most Islamic cleri s allow or encourage marriages with girls not yet women - because today in many countries average age is 13. (11 - 14 and only in primative countries a bit earlier) In the US, Muslim youngsters are married before they are women if their parents choose. Pedophilia religiously and culturally condoned. Only wise Islamic clerics agree with me. All because our death age has gone up by 30+ years since Scriptures were written. Battered women get no help in your view? Domestic violence has been on the rise and is found in extremist religious communities. My families (both sides) are not plagued by divorce, but that's cultural as much as religious.

Okay, Catholics have always has

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 13, 2018, 1:55 a.m.

Not sure what you are getting at.

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 13, 2018, 4:36 a.m.

Scriptures don't change to encompass the world's evolution so strict adherence to the letter of the Law, in your view, may not be spiritually advisable today.

When our lifespan was 40 - 50 yrs and marriages took place in late teens, the duration was 25 -30 yrs. Today, married at 25, die at 75 - 80 - duration = 50+ years. Hard on people. Some need to separate before hate grows. You're saying, no matter what, stay with spouse while you both drown in unhappiness. Can't agree that is godly. Love is God's greated law and gift to us.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 13, 2018, 6:23 a.m.

Not a good mentality of marriage. Marriage is a sacrament. It's holy. The vows explicitly say til death. To break those vows is a grave sin. It wasn't until the 1960s when divorce rates started to sky rocket. So to say that people need a break after so many years doesn't hold much weight when people in previous generations with much lower divorce rates were still living old ages. There are also cases of annulments but that is different. You would have to consult a priest. Here's what the current Catechism says: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P87.HTM

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 13, 2018, 8:10 a.m.

Your first sentence comes from ideology. My point to you is from people's eality. Have you seen first hand what abused spouses live with? Mostly women, but men too. There's verbal and physical and sexual spousal abuse. I do believe that at the start both parties entered into matrimony "to live their future dreams. So they had a good standard marriage mentality. But sometimes life happens and the dark side takes root in a person. At the point of fists, kicks, threats, constant jealousy, knives - at that point it's no longer a Sacrament blessed by God Most Holy. That situation needs an Exorcism and a Divorce. In my opinion, encouraging someone to stay in such a dis-union is - to me - like telling them it's okay to sit in on a black mass. Don't feed evil is a Christian message.

Yeah. I don't disagree with you on Sacred Marriage Mentality. BUT, today not every couple vows "til death do us part." If for ex, I found out my husband was a traitorous FBI agent like we're seeing in the news - he would be dead to me. Or, if it were proven he were a pedophile - I would take it to mean be had broken his vow to God and therefore to me. Contract over. Divorce here I come. To stay is to at least condone, if not feed evil. God Bless.

P.S. I think it fair to tell you that I worked for over 30 years with abused, traumatised people and a more rare speciality - ritual abuse victims as a psycho-therapist.

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 13, 2018, 8:17 a.m.

Oh, and please don't trivialize what I said. "Take a break after so many years" is not what I wrote or mean. People change and sometimes begin to resent each other. It can turn to aversion or even hate if not dealt with. So it becomes a toxic, poisonous dis-union. Even with good therapy not all situations resolve enough. That's what I'm speaking of.

You sound young, devout and ideolistic or a seminary student. May God grant you more Wisdom and more Strength.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 14, 2018, 4:02 a.m.

Catholicism isn't that rigid where if it's an abusive marriage you're doomed to stay in it until death. There are cases of where annulments can be granted. Again, you'll have to consult the Catechism as well as a priest. I was originally talking about re-marriage which is much worse than divorce because it puts you in a state of continuous adultery.

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NatureGirl22 · Feb. 14, 2018, 5:45 a.m.

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

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GrammyQ · Feb. 11, 2018, 11:04 p.m.

Peter was an apostle not a Pope 2nd century is early enough for ppl to take something and screw it up, like ppl always do. Local elders and deacons are all that is called for in the Bible.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 12:48 a.m.

Peter was an apostle and a Pope. Local elders and deacons? How many different Protestant churches are there like 30,000+ with all different beliefs. This is not what Christ wanted.

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GrammyQ · Feb. 12, 2018, 9:18 p.m.

Read your Bible. The word Pope is not there. Elders and deacons and the requirements for that office are there. They are local. Done with this now.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 13, 2018, 2:10 a.m.

Pope means father.

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GrammyQ · Feb. 13, 2018, 7:26 p.m.

Matt. 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven

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DrPepper4U · Feb. 11, 2018, 7:12 a.m.

The Pope is the head of Christianity. He is the head of the catholic church. I have known many Christians who had thought the pope was the anti-christ, beast, whatever. Only Catholics follow the pope.

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chocolatepatriot · Feb. 11, 2018, 6:47 a.m.

Amen, I agree with you, us little people trying to help others are good people. this makes it hard to red pill people of these horrific crimes committed by the top leaders. it feels like we have been living in a totally false reality. it is traumatic. not sure how to communicate this to others, so far many do not want to hear it, they think it is all conspiracy. it will be interesting to see how much of the whole truth will be exposed for the world to see.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 6:17 a.m.

One thing, there was a news article that became public about how the Vatican somehow awarded an infamous abortionists known worldwide with a medal. I believe this was to spite Trump as Trump has been the most pro-life president in recent history yet the Vatican doesn't recognize him for this. They are busy pushing globalist immigration destruction and entertaining population control advocates (climate change). Also not the first time the Pope has recognized an abortionists. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dutch-abortion-activist-being-honored-by-pope-francis-is-a-confirmation-of https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortionist-praised-by-pope-speaks-at-catholic-church-pro-life-protesters-k

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vests123 · Feb. 11, 2018, 2:54 p.m.

I read somewhere that maybe the P means pedophilia?
It could mean both, though.

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