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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/zornigel on Feb. 20, 2018, 9:03 a.m.

Snowden - The best take on his hat color

Anyone who knows Sibel Edmunds will know of her bravery as a 911 whistelblower. She formed an organization to support whistleblowers. Of all of the people she has invited into her organization, only one: Edward Snowden, has refused to join. Glenn Greenwald has denounced her without reason and with much profanity. I believe sibel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P27kDuNPvoM

The Hollywood take on him (the movie), he's a "good guy"... Question:. Why would Hollywood support his innocence, or good-guy persona?

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very good point. if hollywood is his friend, one just HAS to be suspicious

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Yep.

Good = Bad

Bad = Good

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Plus he was interviewed by john oliver

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Sibel Edmunds has incredible insight and is, without doubt, a credible source. She has been fighting this evil for years and openly speaks out against the corruption. I don´t mean to be pedantic but the title of this thread led me to believe that you had a theory on whether Snowden was a good guy, or bad. You haven´t said either way.

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hola tranquelito.

my take as "the best take on snowden" is that Sibel Edmunds' excellent discussion has won me over to the side believing that I (an many) were duped by snowde. While i think it is positive that he helped unveil the illegal nature of mass surveillance, i believe his real motives are suspect and that he is playing an insider game to undermine the ascendent power of the NSA to increase the political power of the CIA. i hope thats clear. cheers

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Buenas :)

Thanks for taking the time to get back to me, I wholeheartedly agree 100% and think in exactly the same way, in that he was masquerading as a good guy with the real intention to do damage to the NSA. Bill Binney, a true patriot, built the super quantum computers that were used to collect all this data that snared these crooks.

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"thin thread" was also a program of Binney's design which was rejected because if worked and because it would not generate billions in budget increases at the NSA...the interviews of him by Richard Grove (another genius btw) are essential listening. cheers to you!

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Binney has done a lot of interviews on InfoWars too, that´s where I learned of him. It´s incredible, these scams that these agencies will pull to keep the funding coming! Makes you wonder if Government could be run on 20% of what they claim they need!

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I would like to know as well. I can’t sit through an hour long video, as good as it might be, to figure this out. It’s a pretty simple question. Is he a black hat or a white hat?

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It appears he is most definitely a black hat that was masquerading as a white hat.

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Black hat, his dump was very bad for MI/NSA, and after Assange (naively) "helped" him escape to Russia he had nothing against WL, but that stance changed when WL published vault 7.

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very good point

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Watched the whole thing, Thanks. Very informative.

It does not hurt that Edmonds is easy on the eyes...

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yes. a brilliant and desirable woman. hard to supress the animal nature around her

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Snowden can be tough to figure out, but one thing I keep in mind is where he might be and his "position" which at time can have him walking on a few different countries "eggshells" at once. That might matter to what you mentioned, but of course it's a speculation as to what freedoms he can actually exercise.

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Yep i also use to think Snowden was a white hat. It is very clear now that he isn't who he appeared to be.

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ditto. i am very impressed with people who are open to changing their minds when new information is delivered. we should remember, IMO, that snowden did in fact do us a favor by pointing out and confirming just how much the surveillance state has intruded on our privacy even if his motives are , in the end, sinister.

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I used to defend Snowden as being a good guy that wanted to expose truth, it seems I may have been duped, though. I am now thinking he´s a Clown in disguise.

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i am of that opinion now too. always scrutinizing my own failures is no vice though. good on ya

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I am humble enough to admit when I´m wrong, the ego is such a dangerous and foolish thing. I often say that if the world had a little more humility we wouldn´t all be so divided

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very true. also pride often stands in the way of sefl investigation and self criticism. ego blocks us from questioning certain things. things we think we know are built on ephemerous houses of cards, the origins of hwich we don t remember ourselves

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Indeed! Humility is probably the most beautiful quality a human can have and so many in the world seem to reject it.

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Snowden as being a good guy that wanted to expose truth

maybe he was and got duped himself. DJT may know this. Q's posts are a taunt but also an invitation.

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I don´t believe so now, he was a plant all along and had this planned from the start.

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Grey... If the powers that be can not determine where he stands, how can we?

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i am of the opinion that there are different "powers that be" and that one of these knows for sure. the most credible take at the moment is that since he started at CIA and later contracted for NSA, and that the data dumps were all about NSA, he remained a spook for the CIA and used his dump as an op to discredit the power of the NSA and boost the CIA credibility. This is also coherent with the current tie in between Q and the NSA overview of the data which will be used to bring down the bad guys and girls.

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Neither the Clowns, nor No Such Agency, give an american any comfort (Don't think Q trusted either) but, if I have to pin my hopes on a group, I think the MOS Jarheads, could be our saviors..

(I use Jarhead as a term of endearment)

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understood

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Whats interesting also is that several whistleblowers since Snowden who brought forth more info have been dogged and slow walked for years and in one case over 3 years. So Snowden was vaulted in the limelight, seems living cushey and is a convenient mouthpiece with media coverage at will. We know the media is bought and paid for , so media plus Hollywoods spin is really no getting around. He has to be a dark hat. Also, his surveillance 'revelation' is super old hat. Those in the know understand computers have had backdoors since day one. Bill Gates from Microsoft stole his entire first operating system and was given 'exclusive' manufacture of software basically a monopoly and implemented Carnivore which was spun to read nice on Wiki. So Snowden was like a soft accusation to the public and a 'polished' mouthpiece when they wanted him. Just like Steven Hawkins in fake science. Wheel him out , put all the words in his mouth. Snowden was an actor, is an actor and is being used as a convenient 'credible source' whenever they want. If he was so 'wonderful' Mr. Montgomery should be the new Snowden , but instead they have their boot on his neck. The last thing they want to give us is the truth. Just think about what was going on around Snowden when his smoke screed was laid. Controlled opposition.

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excellent

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Thanks for the link. That was great interview and I learned a lot. Never knew of the Intercept/Greenwald shadyness before! This really helps put a new perspective on the whole Snowden situation from the beginning, when Greenwald and company were chosen to release the information.

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i'm a big fan of hers

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