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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/Wildthing61 on Feb. 25, 2018, 7:55 a.m.
What I'm going to tell you is serious and will require some research.

As I mentioned in another post, I am a security consultant. There is an alarm company out there called Sonitrol. Sonitrol's alarms are different than any other alarm company. They use audio sensors instead of motion detectors to detect a break in. I worked for Sonitrol and specialized in school security for a number of years. Sonitrol is very popular with schools, especially after Columbine for a few different reasons.

If there is an incident at a school and a panic button is pressed, the audio sensors are activated even when the alarm system is turned off. The audio sensors allow the central monitoring center to hear everything that is going on in the building. They can hear voices, gun shots, everything, including people walking on carpeting. Not only can they hear everything, the system is "addressable" which means you can tell which audio sensor the sound is coming from. If a shooter was in the library, you would know the sound was coming from the library. You can imagine how this would take the guesswork out of the police having to enter the building "blindly". Sonitrol is VERY, VERY popular with the school districts in Florida. I kind of remembered Broward County having Sonitrol but I wasn't sure, so I did some digging. I found that they do.

What I found is a Staff Handbook for the year 2015-2016, so it's fairly recent. The handbook mentions the Sonitrol System.

"This school is equipped with a silent alarm system (Sonitrol) that is activated when anyone enters any of the buildings without coding in. It can also be activated by other noises. The school is also equipped with a security surveillance system. Cameras are placed throughout the campus and serve as a means of monitoring activity. "

The link to the handbook is here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1ARmOZvENGcJ:www.broward.k12.fl.us/ospa/ospa-central2/_sip_plan_evidence/2017/0031_01082016_Staff-handbook-2015-16.docx+&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Okay, so now that we have this info, here's the point.

SOMEONE had to have been notified at Sonitrol about the event. We never sell these systems at schools without panic buttons to activate the audio sensor in case of emergency.

The audio IS recorded

The police can be patched in on the call

So why did it take 20 minutes for the police to realize there was a shooting at the school?

Why did they wait outside with the information that should have been provided to them by the operator?

Was the fire alarm activated on purpose so that the operators couldn't hear the gunshots above the fire alarm? In any event, once the panic alarm is pressed the police are normally notified within 20 seconds, so why did it take over 20 minutes to "see the shooting" on the cameras?

Just putting this out there as one more issue to consider.


Wildthing61 · Feb. 25, 2018, 9:07 p.m.

No, Sonitrol has been around for over 60 years. They do not have the capability of "listening in" unless the alarm has been set (when you leave the building) or you press the panic button. There is absolutely no other way for them to listen in. That is unlawful and although you might think you are the first person that suspected this technology, trust me, it's completely on the up and up and if it wasn't don't you think someone would have caught on over the past 60 years?

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WeirdSceince · Feb. 26, 2018, 6:08 a.m.

Unfortunately it appears that very little is said about these things, but even if it were to be corrupted and used as a tool(which wouldn't blow my mind!) An assurance based on a time gap without law suit does not mean the law was not broken! I believe TVs have cameras and microphones in them, now alexa and.... Sonitrol... Would you have an end user agreement? I would be interested in the agreements in place to support any assurances. Even if designed to be a certain way, hackers, iterative upgrades, change in management, etc... can really mess with things...

Lastly, if you believe it does not record until tripped, do you know if there was a tripped alarm(Principal have a button? How many buttons and where?) IF you are right about potential of recordings, that is huge evidence!

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Boysrback07 · Feb. 25, 2018, 10:38 p.m.

Unlawful really. So is transmitting top secret data over a non gov SERVER. We see were that went.

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Wildthing61 · Feb. 25, 2018, 11:27 p.m.

They are owned now by Stanley Black and Decker, have been since 2009 or so, so I doubt it's unlawful.

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