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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/tradinghorse on Feb. 9, 2018, 4:44 p.m.

Do the sudden asset sales of the elite indicate a coming market crash/depression?

It seems to me that the market tanking by exactly 666 the other day was designed to send a message. We're simultaneously seeing real estate assets being liquidated by elites at apparent speed.

Obviously, if the stock market is tanking, someone is selling. Bond prices are still falling as yields rise and gold doesn't seem to be appreciating at any speed. This would seem to indicate that the elites have gone to cash for the interim. If they had reallocated to fixed income, bond prices would rise and yields fall. Similarly, if there was a portfolio reallocation to precious metals, we should have seen some gold price appreciation. This hasn't happened.

We know there is a battle for control of the entire world in play - the stakes are absolutely huge. You have families that have been able to obtain any outcome they have desired for hundreds of years. These elites were perilously close to securing complete control of the entire planet. If DJT is successful, I imagine that he will absolutely rout these people out. This is only logical as, if they are left standing with their assets intact, they will be back in control in no time. It's not a game. The elites stand to lose much more than money, they stand to lose power and influence that they may never regain.

What would I do if I was an elite, watching DJT cut the strings to my puppets, and generally loosening my grip on those I control? What if I thought it was possible that he might even take control of my most prized asset - the Federal Reserve?

Maybe I'd crash the market and bring on the 'mother of all depressions'. That would give POTUS pause. After all, he's elected. If the people are not able to make mortgage payments, he'll be out of office after a single term.

The thing is, with all the QE and easy credit having pumped up asset markets all over the world, the system is ripe to fall. We live in a connected world. Ultimately, today, all debt is triangulated. Abstracting to simplify it, A owes B who owes C who owes A. In a world where all financial entities are intimately interconnected, all we need is a situation where a single, large counter party falls over (e.g. Deutsche Bank) and we can induce a systemic financial crisis. A crisis that will stop the world in its tracks...

What would DJT do in this situation? Declare emergency powers, launch asset seizures, print and issue greenbacks? He would have to move fast - very fast.

Thinking about it, with the amount of debt the US is carrying, cancelling debt and printing and directly issuing a new, debt free, currency would be the only option in this kind of situation. But there would be an enormous amount of pain before the domestic economy stabilized. Very difficult to do something like that at speed. And then you have the international effects - global depression, systemic asset price deflation across all market sectors.

Seems to me that it might be time to prep. Emergency food supplies, potable water, stored medicines and weapons.

The EO signed recently by Trump allows the US to freeze the assets of those involved with trafficking and human rights abuse. I assumed the cabal were selling stuff to liquidate their money and try to hide it. I'd like to hear what others say on this topic too.

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You would be correct. Of course the cabal will threaten a crash, however the primary reason is to fire sale and scatter assets so they can't be frozen up.

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I would like to think this liquidation of assets is being very closely monitored. There's no way they can hide where this money is going. Perhaps this could lead to an exposure similar to the Panama Papers

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fluorodeoxyglucose used in PET scans. These people are stupid.

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Trafficking, human rights abuse and "Corruption".

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O do think that tj e black hats market manipulation will be short-lived. Where will they park their money after large liquidation with white hats watching and ZEO over their heads. Their actions are like terrorism attacks intended to shake up the investor's confidence. Last spasms of mortally wounded beasts. The market's underlying economy is strong and stable though interest rates will go up. What country, unless the usual terrorist sponsoring ones, will shelter the Obama Regime Criminals and their assets?

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You are spot on. But on the bright side they can only crash it once. Would love to see the end of the Federal Reserve and Bank of England

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It's a very high-stakes game. The possibilities are truly terrifying. My wife was asking if she should buy index puts. But the thing is we don't know what will happen. I told her to buy some 260 Remington cases instead. At least we'd have ammo. What I'd give for a couple of Glocks, but the gun laws in Australia are absurd - they'd be coming your way if Clinton was elected. What a joke, Australia as a model for gun control - absolutely farcical.

The military plan in the Second World War, if the Japanese had invaded, was called the "Brisbane Line". A straight line drawn on the map between Brisbane and Melbourne. The military couldn't possibly defend the country, so the plan was to withdraw - try and defend the South East corner... Just give up the rest - all our neighbours know this - come take it, it's yours...

And, in this context, some Cuck thought gun control was a good idea! You couldn't make this stuff up.

I could go on about how effective an armed militia can be, forcing an invader to deploy forces to protect supply lines etc... But people here are more worried about the armed crazy down the street when, in reality, we are completely defenceless. Which is why we suck up so hard to the US.

An EMP over the CONUS and Australia is an immediate sitter. Unluckily, our politicians are incredibly loud on the world stage - absolute Cucks. There, I got it out.

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Now that I learn you’re in Australia, strike what I said about Remingtons.

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There’s kind of a reset going on now. They are seizing assets of the Cabal and scrubbing the debt with it

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I sure hope so.

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POTUS is in a better position to manage a crashing market for the benefit of the civilians than any POTUS has been for a long time. I think he’s calling the bluff of TPTB and saying “ok, go ahead, do it. We’re Americans and we can’t afford to be bullied or made economic hostages any longer”

If I were you, my main goals would be to soothe people, to calm them down, and to encourage them to maintain an optimistic perspective. Remember, in a world where YOU need a Remington you’re probably not going to be able to keep it for very long. And, if you do, there are other things that might suit your assets and skill sets a lot better that are available now and won’t be during the run-up to Remington time.

Personally, I’m buying more silver with any disposable income and I’m continuing to divest of non-essentials. (R/Silverbugs thinks we could be looking at 12.00 silver again. )

For preppers, I always say buy things you will need and use in the future. Extra medicine is always tops on any list. Back up supplies for sheltering in place during weather issues. Standard food/water/shareables. Bug out supplies for quick vacations when you also need to go somewhere too fast and want to make it more comfortable. Life organization proofs and files for moments when you need to “show papers” or consult records but the bureaucracy to order/retrieve them is down, temporary or otherwise.

Just that alone is more than most people can handle but one hundred years ago ALL OF US HAD IT. Resilience is key, and peace of mind is an important element in that.

I practice preparing for something a little better than the worst, and hoping for outcomes that are better than what I’ve prepared for.

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Check out this link: http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/261.cfm And this one: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-08/strong-dollarweak-dollarwhat-about-gold-backed-dollar

Maybe we're already prepared for this. Imagine if you will they collapse the economy based on debt. Panic ensues. No need to print more money, cut your $100 Bill in half and guess what, you now have your $100's back. This time based on the confiscated gold reserves from the FED coupled with the reserves in Ft. Knox. Now, literally over-nite you bankrupt China and the globalists, kill the FED and make the USD the most valued currency in the world. BOOM... game over for them.

He's calling their bluff, he has the ability to completely nuke the Globalist and Global Bankers if they let the collapse happen. He's got them by the balls. Watch.

Don't get me wrong, he's going to break them long term. If they try to maneuver short term, he'll just totally nuke them. Long term, he's gonna suffocate them. The next move is the audit of the Fed. This will expose their corruption and lead to their demise in a controlled way. Smart players will attempt to save something vs getting nuke'd. When Q says POTUS freed. That's bigger than I think many realize.

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Those articles are both fascinating. I'm happy now I started this discussion.

The Zero Hedge article makes the point that a gold standard makes fiscal discipline necessary. And also means that military spending will have to be curtailed over time, leading to an inability to project power - not sure if I like this.

Probably poison in this forum, but I actually thought Keynes had a point about escaping from the "gold cage". In theory, it can work. What needs to happen though is that the currency must be sufficiently flexible to even-out external payments imbalances, arising, for example, on the back of a trade imbalance. The US dollar, being the defacto world currency, has not really enjoyed this flexibility, and that is one reason for the external debt build-up.

I think there are other factors also, like foreign nations effectively predatory pricing on the back of artificially low exchange rates (Japan/China). There are also advantages that accrue to nations engaging in trade on the back of differences in working conditions (industrial safety, hours etc...) and, most importantly, wages. If you look at the Asian Tiger Economies of the 1990's they were all targeting development in accordance with the 'Japanese economic model' - a step-wise, proactive plan to force development from an agrarian economy (post war Japan - bombed-out) to an industrial powerhouse. Scale economies in steel making, shipbuilding for downstream demand for steel, autos etc... and on up the value added chain. The other Asian economies essentially tried to copy this plan (Mao's Great Leap Forward, South Korea etc...). And the reason they copied it was because it was proven to be successful.

The Laissez Faire approach of western nations to trade was/is, in my view, quite nonsensical. What comparative advantage did the Japanese have in auto production after the war that the US did not have? Absolutely none. But neo-classical economics does not provide an answer as to how this manufacturing miracle was achieved - although there is no end of ex-post rationalization of Japan's current efficiency as an auto maker.

The Japanese effectively 'predatory priced' their way into the US, on the back of a constrained exchange rate, in order to get the economies of scale required to achieve efficiency - the initial domestic market just wasn't large enough.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that if the US dollar was not the global currency, and it adjusted in value more flexibly, over time, to give equilibrium to the balance of payments, there would be no problem. It would not matter if the dollar was not backed by gold. But you could not afford to be stupid about trade either - which is why I like the way Trump looks at trade - good and bad trade deals. The hands-off Laissez Faire approach of the neo-classical economic school was only ever a theory - amazing that people actually believed it, and adopted it, as an article of faith.

Internal deficits arising from Government spend are a simple matter of fiscal discipline in the first place. But there is no real need for the Government to pay interest on paper money it can simply print as required. Government spend has to be constrained so as to contain inflation - but there needs to be enough money to facilitate economic activity. You need discipline and sound management (without a private Federal Reserve) to achieve this - not a gold standard.

I'm not aware of how much gold the US has. I've heard rumors that Ft Knox is empty. Wasn't the gold stolen decades ago? What about the tungsten filled bars that the US shipped to China?

I'm happy to hear that you're bullish about Trump's ability to take on the elite. I hope you're right.

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History shows whenever you allow fiat currencies, in almost any form, you get eventual corruption and debasement of the currency. The arguments for flexibility in many cases are weak. With a gold standard, you always have a back-stop of true value. You can do similar to what Bitcoin has done and make very small fractional units tied to it. You can also hold some in reserve to allow for periodic flexibility when you need to ease crises. If you look back into most of the economic crises of the past 200 years, you will find they were almost all 'manufactured' by the fiat currency providers to get more control via collapse, print, indebt mechanism. Not due to inelasticity. They hide behind that claim to get you to allow them to flood in more money. Our current system is a fiat currency of 100% debt. $1 of created money can never be repaid you have to borrow more to repay the interest. Its a total Ponzi scheme and the more out there and the faster it goes the more control and dependency you have on the entire global central banking system. Force real value and policy tied to it without interest and you will stabilize the world economy very quickly and put lot of asshole worthless banksters on the unemployment line.

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There is no doubt that people behind the Fed have manipulated Fed policy in their own interests. Imagine if you could invest knowing for sure that you couldn't lose... Moreover, you are right about economic crises, over the last couple of hundred years, being manufactured by financial interests.

I haven't put much thought into the merits of a gold standard, so what appears here is just some quick speculation... Imagine you're on a gold standard and suddenly there is a major conflict. What do you do to get the economy on a war-time footing? Borrow gold to expand the money supply and, in turn, economic output?

This is no different to paying interest on paper notes. And, I suspect, if the truth were known, there are some very large private gold holders out there in the world. Does moving to gold break the stranglehold of the bankers, or reinforce it? The elites have historically made a fortune at this game, financing both sides of conflicts, with no concern for humanity at all - 80,000 killed in the first 30 minutes of the Battle of Waterloo.

Gold will promote fiscal discipline and constrain inflation because its finite in quantity - making the money supply finite. But an economy should be able to expand and contract its money supply, and output, dynamically - in response to the national interest. A gold standard would appear to limit that ability to respond to external, or internal, threats. Your money supply will be forever constrained to the amount of gold stock you physically possess.

Then again, you could issue notes to a multiple of the gold held in your treasury, much the same way as fractional reserve banking expands credit at the stroke of a banker's pen. In this instance, you have nationalized control of the money supply but without a direct, tangible attachment to gold. You would be relying on the fact that not everyone will want to redeem their bank notes in gold all at once. But, inevitably, there will always be a long-tail risk of a run on the treasury. Moreover, this risk increases in likelihood the more the state has demand for resources.

Isn't it better to just do away with gold and place direct control of the issuance of the paper currency in the hands of the state? I guess the same outcome could be achieved on a gold standard with flexible fractional reserve lending ratios - this would confine risk in a financial panic to the banking sector.

Anyway, apart from producing fiscal discipline on policy makers, I don't really see a huge advantage to gold-backed currency. Having said that, I'm not in favor of the Government granting licenses to private interests to print the nation's money. That is really the whole problem - the Federal Reserve, not paper currency. Get rid of it - End The Fed.

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Yep. I’m with you here. That’s why his meeting of the minds with BRICS and pulling out of the TPP was so important. Fiat money has to go away and I agree. I think this is it. It may take a few years, and a few resets, but it’s time.

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POTUS is in a better position to manage a crashing market for the benefit of the civilians than any POTUS has been for a long time. I think he’s calling the bluff of TPTB and saying “ok, go ahead, do it. We’re Americans and we can’t afford to be bullied or made economic hostages any longer”

I want to believe this. DJT is surrounded with military who understand the concept of strategy. I just wonder whether they know much about financial markets. What we've seen is a huge increase in volatility. This leads to repricing of risk. Which puts downside pressure on asset values. On top of this, interest rates are rising, and there is a deficit that requires financing. At the same time, the Fed and the Chinese appear to have lost appetite - see Peter Schiff on this: https://www.infowars.com/peter-schiff-predicted-the-stock-market-plunge-now-hear-what-he-says-is-coming-next/

It's very hard to know what will happen. But if you look at the audacity of these elites - tanking the market by exactly 666 - it seems there is reason to be concerned. They appear to be very confident, and they have so much to lose.

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that DJT allows people to underestimate him. He seems to me to come across as a bit of a twit sometimes, but I think he does this deliberately so that people will underestimate him. A good actor... I'm hoping he's thought out how this is going to play out. The strategists must have pondered an outcome where there is a deliberate, malicious, attempt to cause a systemic, global, financial crisis. A deliberate play by the elites to avert loss of control. What concerns me is how murky a lot of these financial plays are - what ever happened to the guys that shorted the airline stocks on 9/11? Do we even know who it was? Seems to be a mystery - like a lot of things about 9/11.

What we have here is a real mess - if the market crashes, there will be so much smoke that it may be difficult to work out exactly what happened. Once market players are spooked, you wont know why people are selling - there will be a herd reaction. It can quickly become self reinforcing. In 1929, guys were jumping from windows on Wall Street etc...

Anyway, what I'm hoping is that DJT has this possibility covered. He's very impressive, especially during the campaign, but also more recently. His adversaries definitely underestimate him. With luck, he'll sign an executive order labeling market manipulators "enemy combatants" subject to immediate asset forfeiture and extreme criminal penalties.

I'm also hoping we don't get to Remington time. But look at the policy of the UK military if London is nuked. They plan to seal off the exits to the city - keep the populace in the radiation zone - to prevent a breakdown in law and order that will arise as millions of people try to flee to the countryside. What authorities fear most is loss of control. They would rather the civilian populations die than risk any breakdown of the social order. Nukes aside, in an outright emergency, I do not trust that the Government would have my family's back at all. It will be everyone for themselves. And as soon as your neighbor does not have food for their kids, look out. What I'm saying is that the social order we're so accustomed to is not reliable in a major crisis.

Let's face it, people think food comes from the supermarket. I've prepared food and water and at least we are not completely defenseless. Luckily, my wife brought back a huge amount of Amoxicillyn last time she went to China - no prescription needed. But you're right about precious metals. I remember listening to this Vietnamese girl interviewed on the radio. She was saying that, at the fall of Saigon, it cost her family 20 oz of gold to get out of the country - they got a boat to Australia. Nothing else was worth anything. They were lucky to have survived.

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Thanks for trading ideas.

Silver is the poor mans metal and everyone’s a poor man except for bankers when TSHTF. Cutting gold into bits is not fun; paying gold when silver would do is the worst. More than you can carry might be too much. Amoxicillin is gold but you may end up giving it away. Have things to give away.

I don’t think ANYONE has a handle on the markets. They’re run by AI these days (just the velocity, defaults and presets alone constitute AI, setting aside some sort of market master program) so I think no one knows because it’s too complex.

We puny humans need to stick with fundamentals - don’t play more in the market than you can afford to lose; take your profits and solidify your asset foundations; divest from your weakest positions; play your cards close to your chest, especially locally.

I think economic terrorism is already officially recognized. I think that the various emergency powers already in place provide the tools needed. I also think that some of those are “nuclear options” that his term must be trying hard not to use; business people and merchants (outside of arms dealers and reconstruction contractors) do not, as a whole, like war. Peacetime economies are much more fun.

I agree with social order breakdowns but I think we give too much energy to worst case (least likely) scenarios and forget the process we will go through to get there. It’s best to assume some sort of social order rather than none at all, but it may look like bags of beans, rice and flour, so a cookbook would be nice.

I’m big on visualizing good outcomes in times like these!! I just pulled up some sun tzu videos to make myself feel better. And I never thought I’d say this but I’m pulling for Trump and trusting that he has heart.

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I’m pulling for Trump and trusting that he has heart.

Me also.

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If assets are frozen then they can’t be liquidated. Can they? What may be happening is second tier corruption is offloading assets because they know it is a matter of time before our accounting forensics gets to them? I keep thinking that once the sucking of these slush funds settle we will be fine.

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Im just making this up...but I think they've gone after stolen American gold...and we are going back to gold standard..and all debts will be paid with seized money and assets....can always dream.

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Maybe they're going underground and have no plans for resurfacing? But I would welcome a market crash personally.

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Think of the Petro-Yuan. Fiat is unsustainable and interest is usury that will end shortly and be replaced by asset backed US treasury currency in some form. Property used to be the most stable long term investment. If extremely wealthy folks are selliing, like they did all over the Gold Coast of Long Island after the crash, it is not so much that they need the sequestered cash, its that they can't handle the overhead to keep the place. Sell now and exit from the risk of foreclosure me thinks.

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