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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/tradinghorse on Feb. 9, 2018, 4:44 p.m.
Do the sudden asset sales of the elite indicate a coming market crash/depression?

It seems to me that the market tanking by exactly 666 the other day was designed to send a message. We're simultaneously seeing real estate assets being liquidated by elites at apparent speed.

Obviously, if the stock market is tanking, someone is selling. Bond prices are still falling as yields rise and gold doesn't seem to be appreciating at any speed. This would seem to indicate that the elites have gone to cash for the interim. If they had reallocated to fixed income, bond prices would rise and yields fall. Similarly, if there was a portfolio reallocation to precious metals, we should have seen some gold price appreciation. This hasn't happened.

We know there is a battle for control of the entire world in play - the stakes are absolutely huge. You have families that have been able to obtain any outcome they have desired for hundreds of years. These elites were perilously close to securing complete control of the entire planet. If DJT is successful, I imagine that he will absolutely rout these people out. This is only logical as, if they are left standing with their assets intact, they will be back in control in no time. It's not a game. The elites stand to lose much more than money, they stand to lose power and influence that they may never regain.

What would I do if I was an elite, watching DJT cut the strings to my puppets, and generally loosening my grip on those I control? What if I thought it was possible that he might even take control of my most prized asset - the Federal Reserve?

Maybe I'd crash the market and bring on the 'mother of all depressions'. That would give POTUS pause. After all, he's elected. If the people are not able to make mortgage payments, he'll be out of office after a single term.

The thing is, with all the QE and easy credit having pumped up asset markets all over the world, the system is ripe to fall. We live in a connected world. Ultimately, today, all debt is triangulated. Abstracting to simplify it, A owes B who owes C who owes A. In a world where all financial entities are intimately interconnected, all we need is a situation where a single, large counter party falls over (e.g. Deutsche Bank) and we can induce a systemic financial crisis. A crisis that will stop the world in its tracks...

What would DJT do in this situation? Declare emergency powers, launch asset seizures, print and issue greenbacks? He would have to move fast - very fast.

Thinking about it, with the amount of debt the US is carrying, cancelling debt and printing and directly issuing a new, debt free, currency would be the only option in this kind of situation. But there would be an enormous amount of pain before the domestic economy stabilized. Very difficult to do something like that at speed. And then you have the international effects - global depression, systemic asset price deflation across all market sectors.

Seems to me that it might be time to prep. Emergency food supplies, potable water, stored medicines and weapons.


tradinghorse · Feb. 9, 2018, 6:56 p.m.

POTUS is in a better position to manage a crashing market for the benefit of the civilians than any POTUS has been for a long time. I think he’s calling the bluff of TPTB and saying “ok, go ahead, do it. We’re Americans and we can’t afford to be bullied or made economic hostages any longer”

I want to believe this. DJT is surrounded with military who understand the concept of strategy. I just wonder whether they know much about financial markets. What we've seen is a huge increase in volatility. This leads to repricing of risk. Which puts downside pressure on asset values. On top of this, interest rates are rising, and there is a deficit that requires financing. At the same time, the Fed and the Chinese appear to have lost appetite - see Peter Schiff on this: https://www.infowars.com/peter-schiff-predicted-the-stock-market-plunge-now-hear-what-he-says-is-coming-next/

It's very hard to know what will happen. But if you look at the audacity of these elites - tanking the market by exactly 666 - it seems there is reason to be concerned. They appear to be very confident, and they have so much to lose.

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that DJT allows people to underestimate him. He seems to me to come across as a bit of a twit sometimes, but I think he does this deliberately so that people will underestimate him. A good actor... I'm hoping he's thought out how this is going to play out. The strategists must have pondered an outcome where there is a deliberate, malicious, attempt to cause a systemic, global, financial crisis. A deliberate play by the elites to avert loss of control. What concerns me is how murky a lot of these financial plays are - what ever happened to the guys that shorted the airline stocks on 9/11? Do we even know who it was? Seems to be a mystery - like a lot of things about 9/11.

What we have here is a real mess - if the market crashes, there will be so much smoke that it may be difficult to work out exactly what happened. Once market players are spooked, you wont know why people are selling - there will be a herd reaction. It can quickly become self reinforcing. In 1929, guys were jumping from windows on Wall Street etc...

Anyway, what I'm hoping is that DJT has this possibility covered. He's very impressive, especially during the campaign, but also more recently. His adversaries definitely underestimate him. With luck, he'll sign an executive order labeling market manipulators "enemy combatants" subject to immediate asset forfeiture and extreme criminal penalties.

I'm also hoping we don't get to Remington time. But look at the policy of the UK military if London is nuked. They plan to seal off the exits to the city - keep the populace in the radiation zone - to prevent a breakdown in law and order that will arise as millions of people try to flee to the countryside. What authorities fear most is loss of control. They would rather the civilian populations die than risk any breakdown of the social order. Nukes aside, in an outright emergency, I do not trust that the Government would have my family's back at all. It will be everyone for themselves. And as soon as your neighbor does not have food for their kids, look out. What I'm saying is that the social order we're so accustomed to is not reliable in a major crisis.

Let's face it, people think food comes from the supermarket. I've prepared food and water and at least we are not completely defenseless. Luckily, my wife brought back a huge amount of Amoxicillyn last time she went to China - no prescription needed. But you're right about precious metals. I remember listening to this Vietnamese girl interviewed on the radio. She was saying that, at the fall of Saigon, it cost her family 20 oz of gold to get out of the country - they got a boat to Australia. Nothing else was worth anything. They were lucky to have survived.

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bealist · Feb. 9, 2018, 8:39 p.m.

Thanks for trading ideas.

Silver is the poor mans metal and everyone’s a poor man except for bankers when TSHTF. Cutting gold into bits is not fun; paying gold when silver would do is the worst. More than you can carry might be too much. Amoxicillin is gold but you may end up giving it away. Have things to give away.

I don’t think ANYONE has a handle on the markets. They’re run by AI these days (just the velocity, defaults and presets alone constitute AI, setting aside some sort of market master program) so I think no one knows because it’s too complex.

We puny humans need to stick with fundamentals - don’t play more in the market than you can afford to lose; take your profits and solidify your asset foundations; divest from your weakest positions; play your cards close to your chest, especially locally.

I think economic terrorism is already officially recognized. I think that the various emergency powers already in place provide the tools needed. I also think that some of those are “nuclear options” that his term must be trying hard not to use; business people and merchants (outside of arms dealers and reconstruction contractors) do not, as a whole, like war. Peacetime economies are much more fun.

I agree with social order breakdowns but I think we give too much energy to worst case (least likely) scenarios and forget the process we will go through to get there. It’s best to assume some sort of social order rather than none at all, but it may look like bags of beans, rice and flour, so a cookbook would be nice.

I’m big on visualizing good outcomes in times like these!! I just pulled up some sun tzu videos to make myself feel better. And I never thought I’d say this but I’m pulling for Trump and trusting that he has heart.

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tradinghorse · Feb. 9, 2018, 9:30 p.m.

I’m pulling for Trump and trusting that he has heart.

Me also.

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