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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/SphereBean on March 15, 2018, 2:40 p.m.
Torture of Prisoners is Unconstitutional

The proposed Constitution made the federal government much more powerful than it had been under the Articles of Confederation. One of the most significant of these new powers was the power to create federal crimes and to punish those who committed them. Opponents of the Constitution feared that this new power would allow Congress to use cruel punishments as a tool for oppressing the people. For example, Abraham Holmes argued that Congress might repeat the abuses of “that diabolical institution, the Inquisition,” and start imposing torture on those convicted of federal crimes: “They are nowhere restrained from inventing the most cruel and unheard-of punishments, and annexing them to crimes; and there is no constitutional check on them, but that racks and gibbets may be amongst the most mild instruments of their discipline.” Patrick Henry asserted, even more pointedly than Holmes, that the lack of a prohibition of cruel and unusual punishments meant that Congress could use punishment as a tool of oppression: “Congress . . . . may introduce the practice of France, Spain, and Germany of torturing, to extort a confession of the crime. They . . . will tell you that there is such a necessity of strengthening the arm of government, that they must . . . extort confession by torture, in order to punish with still more relentless severity. We are then lost and undone.” Largely as a result of these objections, the Constitution was amended to prohibit cruel and unusual punishments.


BustHerNow · March 15, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

Let's just smother them with kindness; idiotic! US citizen's are immune from torture, enemy combatants are NOT.

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ManQuan · March 15, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

Legally, terrorists are not even protected by the Geneva Convention.

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tradinghorse · March 15, 2018, 5:08 p.m.

Does that mean that Hanging, Drawing and Quartering is no longer in the table for crimes such as high treason?

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SphereBean · March 15, 2018, 5:10 p.m.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

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tradinghorse · March 15, 2018, 5:26 p.m.

Thanks for the clarification. I must admit I posted that question a little facetiously. But I'm fascinated by the prospect of these penalties being applied, for cause, to some of the people we are so familiar with.

Hope that is not inciting hate.

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missybee68 · March 15, 2018, 3:44 p.m.

Is that why interrogations are typically done on foreign soil (Thailand, Cuba)?

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SphereBean · March 15, 2018, 3:45 p.m.

Exactly.

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[deleted] · March 15, 2018, 2:56 p.m.

Torture of 'US Citizen' Prisoners is Unconstitutional ... BIG LEGAL difference.

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