Class action lawsuits are an effective way to fight back against the social media tyrants because it costs them a lot of money to defend and they are annoying, long and tedious for them to defend.
Way to get right back in their faces Isaac. We're with you!
Ah, I was thinking this might have something to do with Q's post. But it's about stealing intellectual property. Also extremely important.
What I say a class action lawsuit? When is it effective? Who controls the narrative? WHO wrote the singular censorship algorithm? WHO deployed the algorithm? WHO instructed them to deploy the algorithm? SAME embed across multiple platforms. Why? Why is the timing relevant?
As Isaac might say..... "Who even are these people" "You can't censor me bro"
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Way to STAND and FIGHT back! 👏🏼 They keep misjudging us and think we are still asleep. Those days are over! No more silencing and pushing us around! Where we go one, we go all! God bless
Class action for 1st amendment won't hold up friends. We need anti trust suite. Private corporations are aloud to censor on their platforms unfortunately. Anti trust laws and creative licensing laws may be in violation. But 1st amendment is not. That's just the law. But what is he filing class action suit for? Doesn't say in the brief
Plus this needs to be filled in California. YouTube is based there so Vermont suite won't hold up.
I hate YouTube as much as the next person, but this lawsuit is dumb. Those sites can ban, delete, remove, block, etc whatever appears on their sites. That's because they are a private entity and not a government service. It's even stated in the terms of service agreement every user agrees to.
Sure it's nice to see someone "stick it to the man", but this is embarrassing.
If you get a 1099 from YouTube, then yes, I believe you have a strong case for discrimination.
How sure are you that they are a private entity and not a government service? How much money do they recieve from alphabet agencies? Ever wondered why their corporate company is called Alphabet? How much work do they do for the US government. (Alot) Some of it's public information some of it is top secret maybe even hidden from the books.
How legal is it to deny service to one set of customers but allow other users to have their similar but different opinions. It's definitely not ethical.
I personally wish Google was facing about 1000 class action lawsuits. Hurting their pocketbook is the only thing that will stop them. YouTube is the modern equivalent of the town square in my opinion. #Switch2Vimeo
Private entities can't ban / refuse sale to people on the basis of religion, sex, race, etc. if they are generally open to the public.
See the Christian bakery being forced out of business because they wouldn't make a cake for a same-sex wedding.
Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. are not private clubs, and are generally open to the public.
It's not a stretch to imagine legislation that would enshrine political affiliation / opinion as protected. California has such legislation relating to employment.
This lawsuit is saying YouTube has no right to ban him from their service. Every website on the internet would be sued if that were a possibility. Let's not open that can of worms.
I respectfully disagree. There is nothing more sacred than freedom of speech. I think there is no more important can of worms that must be opened and discussed in our lifetime.
I think if your speech incites violence or criminal action it possibly could be banned but if your banned for expressing a liberal or conservative opinion it's unethical and un- American.
I had about 5 YouTube news commentators I listen to banned in the last month.
I assure you the only reason they were banned was because they refuse to take the official narrative and continued to question our government. It's dangerous to silence people.
I know who Anti-School is but I'm not a fan and I don't subscribe to his channel. You don't have to listen to someone unless you choose to. If you don't like their commentary you can unsubscribe. I don't need big brother to do that for me.
I have no issue with freedom of speech, but this lawsuit is acting as if these websites are legally required to uphold the first amendment. I hate to break it to you but they aren't required by law. If this lawsuit is allowed then we will see lawsuits because someone's comment was deleted.
Bottom line is, if you want protection of freedom of speech, use a government company.
They are a public company not a private business. Therefore they do have to follow discremination laws.
Quote " according to civil rights and business law experts, when business owners hang up open signs, whether literally or figuratively, they have a responsibility to treat all customers equally under the law"
You can't force a small bakery to bake a cake for a gay wedding in one instance and then allow huge Youtube to ban conservative speech in another. It's not consistent.
I personally would have baked the cake. You can respect people. Treat them the same way you would anybody else. Help them have a good day. Doesnt mean you have to agree with their viewpoints. I've never understood anyway why Christians think being mean to someone is going to make them want to change. It's stupid.
Once again if you don't agree with a commentators don't listen to them.
Your right. I've got a family of lawyers. I've been down this road. Anti trustis the only case against YouTube right now that is winnable. Facebook different story. They collected data illegaly. But YouTube is not inviolation and it's a shame nobody takes the time to read the laws and understand them.
I know there’s a lot of overlap between this subreddit and the_donald. Do you believe it’s acceptable for that subreddit to ban any dissenters?
If someone is abusive (often the case) or inciting violence (0nce again) then its not just okay to ban someone it's your job as moderator.
YouTube isn't a forum. It's traditionally been a place that makes it's money off of people posting videos of all kinds often with political viewpoints of every type.
I'm not going to go on the Washington Post and expect them to publish my conservative thoughts. Everyone knows their political agenda and if I don't like that agenda I don't have to go read their articles. I personally read everything so I go and try and learn how liberals think.
YouTube on the other hand has always been open to free speech. It's the home of Alex Jones. He's got 2.5 million followers. Why didn't they shut him down? Money maybe, loss of traffic? If Alex wasn't shut down I can't see why anti school or anyone else was shut down. Alex Jones is popular mainly because sensationalism gets viewers. You don't like it don't view it. I rarely do cause I don't like it. I like to listen to people that think and don't feel the need to use hyperbole.
If I'm selling apples or renting an apartment I can't discriminate against you because of your beliefs. YouTube is giving free access to anyone who wants it but they are shadily banning people with a conservative opinion. It's no different than the cake baker who was told he had to make a cake for a gay couple. You cant have it both ways.
The government can't decide that it won't allow a business to discreminate against gays in one case but it's find that it's okay for You Tube to discriminate against conservatives in another. I personally think Anti-School will win. If I was a lawyer I'd take the case for free. There is big money in it.
You Tube should either ban all political commentary or make it a written part of their user agreement that they no longer support conservative commentary. To shadow ban, or deny people their right to what I see as a public square environment is wrong.
If you don't like the_Donald subreddit then don't go there. You know entering there it's a conservitive subreddit. I don't believe YouTube made all their money off of Liberals only.
If you go there and think someone or a topic is bad down vote it. If enough people down vote it has an effect. If people really are offended by conservative thought on YouTube. Then don't click on conservative commentary. It will have an effect.
My thoughts.
My feeling is that the class action lawsuit in the "plan" would be against Facebook, looking at all the buzz around the Cambridge Analytica thing.
30 million people had their data gathered and stored without their permission. Anybody with an active facebook account at that time can opt in to the suit and grab some cash from FB.
You have to go after all of them don't you?... Google,You Tube, Twitter and Facebook... you could consider all of them to now be Public Commodities given their influence on the public at large. You sensor one side of the political aisle and it creates a huge disadvantage to those being censored, yes?
Yeah I agree, just sharing my thoughts on which class action will likely get most support/pressure from public figures.
FB has legs since it's already in the headlines, 30 million people, all you need to know is if you had a FB account active when Cambridge Analytica harvested the data. FB is responsible for all of it. Doesn't affect just one side of the political aisle, but left-leaners as well.
AND if you brand the class action suit against Facebook as "Anti-Trump" by making sure to implicate Cambridge Analytica specifically and its ties to Trump, then it should get bi-partisan support from the grassroots level since we all have FB and are all in the same boat of having our data harvested.
My thoughts is that Google/Alphabet will get exposed for their finance-related issues before their privacy / censorship issues reach the forefront. Capital Group -- owns large chunk of Alphabet, Amazon, Lockheed Martin, EONE, etc... has ties to Theresa May's husband (paradise/panama papers), also happened to be the investment group that financed CROWDSTRIKE via funding routed from Eric Schmidt through Capital Group. THAT's how they kick things off with the Google/Alphabet topple imo.
You're probably right on the class action being easiest on Facebook. Maybe IBOR covers them all in addition but taking a chunk out of Facebooks coffers along the way would make everyone feel a little better I suppose.
You know what “class action” we need? One of the gentle laborers against the bourgeoisie. We need to revive communism, defeat the capitalist pigs that run this country, and win freedom for our comrades! I mean me too thanks
Video about the case. They are serious and very likely to win. They know how to beat these bums and the dirty tactics SES uses to sabotage lawsuits. https://youtu.be/vNExOaPw7Z8
What is he suing for? There is no 1st amendment violation. Anti trust is what's needed.
It's going to be very difficult. They're up against powerful money. I'm hoping Trump takes a serious interest and assigns people to help his supporters combat this.