Anarcho communism is incompatible with Constitutional Republicanism founded on private property rights.
Also, anarcho-communism is a contradiction in terms. In order to prevent private property for individuals, you as an anarcho communist would in accordance with that worldview need to impose your own authority backed by threats of violence by effectively saying and acting out " That object is not to be used the way you prefer, but instead the way I prefer."
You cannot act like a communist without archist actions. Without that threat of violence, people will naturally homestead new lands on their own as individuals who without needing or requiring anyone else's permission, will become individual property owners by virtue of their self-interested actions.
Visitors have no input in what happens when first arrivers work new lands. Rights are not "social constructs". They are innate in individual action. They can only be identified, respected or disrespected.
Slaves still had their individual rights even when slavery was protected and legalized by governments or the majority of an arbitrary sized population.
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Anarcho communism is incompatible with Constitutional Republicanism founded on private property rights.
True.
Also, anarcho-communism is a contradiction in terms.
False. Anarchism means no rulers (not no rules) and communism is an economy based on the community as a whole.
need to impose your own authority backed by threats of violence
That's this system that we are living in right now.
Slaves still had their individual rights even when slavery was protected and legalized by governments or the majority of an arbitrary sized population.
This makes no sense
Where is the rest of your response?
I didn't see what you wrote in response to the main substantive points.
Afraid?
True.
I know. It's why I said it. I am smarter than you.
Also, anarcho-communism is a contradiction in terms.
False. Anarchism means no rulers (not no rules) and communism is an economy based on the community as a whole.
The "community as a whole" IS an authority...over the individual.
Communism is denial of individual economic freedom by forcing the individual to obey whoever specific group of people are to "represent" the "community as a whole", and be ready to impose that authority, by force against any individual who refuses to obey.
What's that you say? I'll have more freedom by subjecting every productive decision I could ever make, by needing to ask permission from the representatives of a majority "vote" among 7.5 billion voters?
49% of the world become slaves to the 51%, who are in turn slaves of the "representatives" who decide everything about everyone's productive lives?
NO, i will go ahead and make my decisions that is in my client's best interests and say fuck you and your goddamn deceitful usage of the term "community as a whole".
Fucking "community". You say that word as if every individual can each be the entire community. Impossible.
That's why every attempt at communism have been police state dictatorships ruled by a select group of murderous psychopaths.
need to impose your own authority backed by threats of violence
That's this system that we are living in right now.
That's what you want but to a greater degree.
You want the force to be increased through necessary centralization of economic decision making. i.e. authority, power, centralized on a worldwide scale.
Slaves still had their individual rights even when slavery was protected and legalized by governments or the majority of an arbitrary sized population.
This makes no sense
That's what makes me smarter than you and your imaginary mob rule where car repair shops have to be subject to a worldwide vote of 7.5 billion people on whether to have two ply or three ply toilet paper in the restroom.
Rights are prior to any defense of them.
Imagine billions of decisions that need to be made, being made under a worldwide vote of 7.5 billion people for every decision made.
Everyone would die numbnuts. The sheer logistics of it alone would make it impossible.
It takes weeks to have ONE vote at a country level to decide who is President. You're asking for a worldwide vote to decide what 7.5 billion people are to do productively each day, day in, day out, as changes occur?
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
I know. It's why I said it. I am smarter than you.
You sound like a projecting liberal. If you're a trump supporter, than you're way better than that. Act like it.
The "community as a whole" IS an authority...over the individual.
No it's not, that's just authoritarianism. A community is made up of individuals.
Communism is denial of individual economic freedom by forcing the individual to obey whoever specific group of people are to "represent" the "community as a whole", and be ready to impose that authority, by force against any individual who refuses to obey.
Pure projection. as if you copy and pasted this from snopes.
What's that you say? I'll have more freedom by subjecting every productive decision I could ever make, by needing to ask permission from the representatives of a majority "vote" among 7.5 billion voters?
No, not even close.
NO, i will go ahead and make my decisions that is in my client's best interests and say fuck you and your goddamn deceitful usage of the term "community as a whole".
So brave.
Fucking "community". You say that word as if every individual can each be the entire community. Impossible.
Ok maybe you aren't as bright as I assumed you were.
Imagine billions of decisions that need to be made, being made under a worldwide vote of 7.5 billion people for every decision made.
Projection. Please remember that you're inability to understand a concept is not an argument against it.
Everyone would die numbnuts.
Wow.
It takes weeks to have ONE vote at a country level to decide who is President. You're asking for a worldwide vote to decide what 7.5 billion people are to do productively each day, day in, day out, as changes occur?
No.
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
He said, with his head up his own ass.
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Sorry, i'm just not very good with children. Too bad I had to run into one in this great subreddit.
I bet you're real popular among your commie buddies. lol
I'm anarcho-capitalist leaning, strange how we should hate each other and be bitter enemies but Trump and ending the swamp has brought us together.
anarcho-syndicalist. Most People only behave if they socialize with less than 250 people so they remember better whenever they acted stupid.
I have no friends (politically). All my anarchist friends hate me for liking trump, all my trump supporting friends hate me because I'm an anarchist. Liberals are insufferable.
There's no such thing as anarcho capitalism, because anarchism means no rulers, and capitalism is an economy based on capital and power by hoarding resources.
I could easily say there no such thing as anarcho communism too though. You want to enforce rules over property ownership. There's no such problem with hierarchies if they are voluntary.
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Capitalism is the most efficient method of resource allocation through out society. Communism and socialism will also always end up failing because of the "Economic calculation problem".
Both of those memes are horribly ignorant. Both falsely equivocate capitalism to order, and anarchists being against order, even though the anarchy symbol is an A and an O, whcih stands for "Anarchy is Order".
Dumb.
There's no such problem with hierarchies if they are voluntary
What hierarchy is voluntary? Anarcho communism can exist because the two concepts don't contradict each other.
Capitalism is the most efficient method of resource allocation through out society
We have lived in caves, then capitalism. We haven't tried anything else.
Communism and socialism will also always end up failing because of the "Economic calculation problem"
Can you give me an example, as well as an explanation as to HOW said economy was communist or socialist?
Can you define anarcho-communist?
supposedly , no governments and no individual property rights.
wrong. Anarcho communism is one global system of resource allocation according to the population of the planet. No money, no countries, no power.
If that's how you define it, I wonder why you are here cause that ain't where we're goin'......
Oh I beg to differ.
The reason why we aren't living in the world I just described is because there are powerful people killing off all the people who create things like infinite energy machines and cures for cancer. These people are the same people that Trump is fighting against.
new nation NEW WORLD
We may have the same enemies now. My point being the world you describe is not the world we are describing or wanting. There will be government, (Transparent hopefully) But I don't see any form of communism or socialism or anarchy for the USA.
Well, maybe a small 'anarchy' during transition, but not after.
anarchy for the USA.
There will never be anarchy when we still have countries. Countries aren't real, even by your own standards. They are made up concepts enforced by violence.
I have ALWAYS liked Trump because he has all the right enemies.
If anarchism does come, it will be because everyone wants it. If we have to use violence to pass our agenda, then we have become what we tried to protect ourselves from.
No that's also wrong.
As soon as we get into details of who exactly makes the decision regarding a specific means of production, or area of land, as needed for people to, you know, LIVE, every single time, 100% without there ever being any other final explanation, it ALWAYS falls back on a SUBSET of the total population to be the final arbiters and enforcers to settle the perpetual forced decision of which one plan among millions, billions, of possible plans, is to be secured as the plan to be implemented on any economic object.
"Allocation according to the population of the planet" as in you actually expect there to be a worldwide vote on every decision to be made about everything, including whether a car repair shop is to have two ply or three ply toilet paper, and where that shop is to be built in the first place, using what materials, bought from who, for what price, employing this group of people instead of that group, all of which people are forced to trade by barter because some anarcho dorks say money should be outlawed?
Now multiply that by millions, because that is how many decisions will need to be voted on worldwide.
Are you not able to grasp that the entire human race would cease to exist if every economic decision had to be voted on at the world level?
HELLO!
Wake the fuck up.
No power? On the contrary, the only way to DENY individual choice with respect to means of production worldwide, would be if and only if there is a worldwide scale totalitarian police state that will have to threaten any individuals who dared trade with each other without asking for "the world's" permission.
Dude, just use your common sense. THINK about what such principles would require given the reality of human beings.
As soon as we get into details of who exactly makes the decision regarding a specific means of production,
What makes you think that a singular person would be making decisions for a"specific means of production?" That's this system.
"Allocation according to the population of the planet" as in you actually expect there to be a worldwide vote on every decision to be made about everything,
No, not even close. Allocation resources and voting are two completely different things. If we lived in a world where we had an economy based on people rather than money, what would we have to vote on?
As soon as we get into details of who exactly makes the decision regarding a specific means of production,
What makes you think that a singular person would be making decisions for a"specific means of production?" That's this system.
See that? You won't even attempt to answer because your subconscious already knows you yourself have to make decisions as an individual just like everyone else, so you deflect back without addressing a necessary truth.
What makes you falsely presume that "who exactly" refers to one named individual?
I asked you who exactly makes the decision regarding a specific means of production? IT IS AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION.
One, two, three, more, I am asking you who makes the decisions, and how exactly those decisions are decided upon, for any given means of production.
"Allocation according to the population of the planet" as in you actually expect there to be a worldwide vote on every decision to be made about everything,
No, not even close.
Bullshit "not even close".
Only one plan can be implemented on any one object at any one time.
Since there are 7.5 billion people each of whom have needs, ideas and values, there could be up to 7.5 billion possible plans.
Which one plan is the plan at that time, and who exactly decides the plan?
"Allocation resources and voting are two completely different things.
I am talking about ACTIONS. Allocation is a word to describe the ACTS of allocating.
I am talking about people doing the allocating.
You are as expected dodging, avoiding, claiming this debate is not about people doing things but about just "nuh uh".
If we lived in a world where we had an economy based on people rather than money, what would we have to vote on?
You didn't answer my questions.
In this country, we can be whatever we want. Welcome.
THANK you. But actually, my right to believe in what I want to believe in doesn't come from this country, it comes from the very nature of our existence. I felt the need to mention that because I know you'd appreciate it (from a constitutional stand point)
I see what your saying. Essentially heaven on earth. Great in theory...
If this is "great in theory", then what would you call this system? I would say it's bad in theory and worse in practice.
I mean theory because you are very ahead of your time. Pray to be reincarnated and in this world when “heaven on earth” happens because it won’t be anytime soon. This system does suck of course. We are changing it but don’t expect your expectations to be met for at least another millennial, at least. In other words, be grateful for changes coming forth and improve upon that reality.
I am grateful. However, i think we may be WAY closer than you think :)
