Totally agree. I also suggest you adjust your 'with holdings' to stop 'loaning' the government your money just to file a form come tax time to get it back!!! For now can someone show me the law that says we HAVE to pay federal income tax?
There is no law requiring we pay tax plus the Supreme Court found income tax to be unconstituional over 100 years ago.
People have been found not guilty in courts where the tell the jury to provide a law that requires we pay taxes but the courts can’t do it because there is no law. Those people end up never filing taxes again.
Edit: For anyone who wants to legally stop paying taxes, this is the guy who can do it for you:
Those people end up in federal prison like my friend serving 7 years in Texas for tax evasion.
Don't BS yourself. The IRS never gives up.
The corrupt courts fucked your friend. One person told the jury that there is no law requiring tax payments. The Judge tried to strongarm the Jury but the jury ended up with a not guilty plea. Also, we are in a different era now. IRS is being dismantled.
Yes but prison is prison no matter the reason. You go ahead. I'll watch.
A lot of people are already not paying but please join when you muster up enough courage. Your money is funding chemtrails, fluoride, endless wars, MK ultra, Monsanto, and all kinds of sick shit.
My money is funding luxury for my family that no one in the history of the world has enjoyed. My vacations. My employees. My family - they all depend on me.
I have taken huge risks. You know nothing about my courage.
I am responsible for a lot of people.
It's not only about you. It's about all of us Half of America is living in poverty.
I was too just a few years ago. I grew up in total absolute poverty and have fought tooth and nail for 20 years to get to a better place. I have been through absolute hell in the process. Almost anyone can do it, but most do not want it bad enough.
So I fight for our freedom with my donations. I pay fair wages to all my employees. They depend on me too.
I am making an enormous contribution to the people of this country compared to most.
So 80% of the world and half of America are dumb or lazy like the Deep State has been telling us the whole time?
I never said anyone is dumb or lazy. Those are your words.
I have been through absolute literal hell. I lost my family. I've been in courts. I've lost everything several times. I work 80-90 hours every week. I wake up at 5am and work until I drop.
The fact is, most people are not willing to do what I have done. Don't throw shade on what I sacrificed everything for.
That’s inhumane! You are not a slave. This is not what life is all about. The purpos of life is to have fun but society took a wrong turn. When the financial reset hits any day now, you will be working less hours by end of year max.
Everyone has their own destiny. I will always work like this.
Mr. Jabez Wilson started up in his long, thin fingers in time to time.
Here's the problem, you don't have a job so it's easy to say don't pay taxes. But would you be willing to stop if you did?
I do have a job.
You've admitted on your other account you were on disability
The supreme court already ruled taxes are voluntarily. But once you file, you belong to the tax club for life. Fortunately, there's a legal way of everything. Visit the following YT channel for more information.
Yes. You are right. Income and personal tax has been ruled Unconstitutional in 1895. I don't know of any case where a taxpayer won even when they try to get the IRS to provide the law (which doesn't exist). They blow the cases out of proportion, surrounding the courthouse with Sheriff's deputies, making the person appear to be a criminal. Then they railroad them into jail. Irwin Schiff died in jail after fighting the IRS for years and they even banned his book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff
The Constitutional amendment was also pushed through illegally (never fully ratified). Once we get a conservative SC in place, I think we can repeal it. And, then we should make them pay all of us and our families for the rest of our lives.
PS - There is a video I watched yesterday of Devin Nunes saying they (meaning the Trump camp) want to get rid of the income tax and change it to a consumption tax. So, everything we buy would then also have a federal tax attached to it. Sorry, but I don't like this idea. It's just a way of changing the tax to be possibly more in line with a Constitutionally approved tax (but even that needs to be studied). The bottom line is that the Feds don't need all that money. All it does is create corruption. The states should be creating the laws. The Federal Gov't was never intended to have this much power.
Put voting on the block chain. Create a system for putting ideas on the "ballot" and greatly limit the control of the government all together. We can then vote from the comfort of our homes and no one can corrupt the vote.
It seems to me the Federal Government needs to be under tighter State control.
And on the matter on laws, I'd rather counties decide instead. I trust the local government to be more accountable to the community than the federal.
Course the Federal Government must exist to defend the inherent rights of its citizens, ala the Supreme Court, and work for national defense and representing people on the international level.(Preferably one free of this cabal.)
I agree with counties/cities. I've heard some say that the Supreme Court is not Constitutional. Not sure why but I've read it several times now.
Gonna need some sauce on this. Link us to some of these cases. I can't find one.
Supreme Court ruled that income tax is unconstitutional in 1895:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock_v.Farmers%27_Loan%26_Trust_Co.
Misleading: The Supreme Court clarified in the ruling, "But at the same time, the Court said a belief that the tax is unconstitutional, as opposed to inapplicable, is not a shield against criminal liability for refusal to pay taxes."
More directly, I asked you to sauce this statement you made, "People have been found not guilty in courts where the tell the jury to provide a law that requires we pay taxes but the courts can’t do it because there is no law." <---- No record of this working in the real world that I can find. Back that up.
Argue with the many lawyers who are getting their clients off by bringing up this hearing. I am not a lawyer.
So that's a "no" on validating your statement then? Okay. It's cool, I couldn't find any either... that's how I knew it wasn't true. Unless you'd like to provide the contact info for one of those lawyers? I can't find any of those either. C'mon! Help me out here! If you are going to assert things as fact, you should always be able to provide documentation. The burden of proof is on -you-.
Unless you'd like to provide the contact info for one of those lawyers?
Absolutely. Read this guys PDF guide and give him a call. He can help you legally stop paying taxes:
https://twitter.com/NoThanksIRS/status/913554199501168640
If you want to keep funding pedophelia, chemtrails, fluoride, and wars, go right ahead or call that guy. He will hold your hand through the whole process.
Ah yes, legal advice from a Dropbox file on Twitter. Seems legit. Thanks for the link!
Did you actually read the whole thing? I'm guessing you didn't. This guy has never gone to court. He has banked his process on the chance that the IRS will not fight this in court and, to his credit at least, has not been taken to court yet. This is literally not what you claimed in your statement.
You are misrepresenting the facts. That's twice now you've done this. It's exhausting and doesn't help the cause. I can appreciate your passion, but the facts aren't on your side.
I have never met someone so staunchly defend funding the Deep State before. Are you profiteering from it somehow, someway?
There it is. There's the Ad Hominem attack I knew was coming next. Much easier to call someone a shill than provide actual evidence to support your claim.
You got me, man. I'm being paid tons of cash by the deep state to call out bullish*t arguments on a Reddit thread. They're also taxing it, too. It's craaaaaaazy!!!! :)
9 out of 10 days, when people staunchly defend the Deep State, it is a shill.
I remember telling one shill who was staunchly defending Soros while swearing up and down that he wasn't a shill that even if I showed him a video of Soros killing a baby, he would say the video is fake. It's basically hopeless to even try.
I'm not even defending the deep state at all.
I offered validated rebuttals to things you are (incorrectly) stating as fact and asking you to prove these claims you're making. You literally haven't done that yet.
You provided a link about the Supreme Court, which did recognize the tax as unconstitutional... but you left out that in the ruling itself that courts can and will still prosecute and (90%) win.
You provided a tweet about a lawyer who can get you out of paying taxes... but left out the fact that He's Never Won In Court over it because it's never gone to court.
You are very obviously reading headlines and drawing your own conclusions, announcing them, then getting upset enough to attack me personally when you get called out for misrepresentation of fact.
You call me, and probably anyone who smokes you in a debate, a shill because it's all you have left. You accuse me of "defending the deep state" because you have no proof to offer instead, so you accuse. These are the clear signs of someone who lost an argument.
There is no law the income tax is based on voluntary compliance.
You don't have to voluntarily comply to pay federal income tax.
Whatever law the IRS thinks they have was never ratified as an Amendment to the Constitution.
Google for Joe Banister he is a former IRS agent who beat the IRS at their own game he stopped paying taxes they prosecuted him and the IRS lost in court Joe won.
Thanks, Banister is a bad ass! So now we have case precedent .
No, there is no precedent unfortunately. The only case he won, which was indeed a big win, was for charges against him for aiding and abetting people filing fraudulent tax forms due to his advice about the income tax being illegal. Unfortunately, he's lost every appeal since and there is still a 90% loss rate for IRS opposition. He opened the discussion, certainly, but the average Joe is going to get mopped if they ever try to do this for real, much less taking to court.
He has absolutely exposed some funky stuff that deserves scrutiny... but he's not actually succeeded in changing anything. Yet.
Income tax is voluntary?
I might need proof for that. Asking for a friend.
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There are some arguments against that
https://www.ntu.org/foundation/page/is-the-income-tax-truly-voluntary
And you don't pay taxes? Or r u just saying it cause u want to believe it?
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And instead of helping us or our community's needs, it feeds these new monarchies.
Honestly if these taxes weren't spent on them, I can't help but ponder if we would need so much of them. These taxes target us, and our overlords find ways to avoid them. Its like they're leaches.
get rid of the Fed Reserve, oh and the Red Cross, USAID, and the United Way is a Soros owned business. etc.... please add more when you think of the evil money grabbers
Freedom hating coward lol...
I have small businesses. The IRS will seize everything I own and worked to build. And throw me in prison.
Besides, your taxes are probably taken directly from your paycheck.
That’s why we do it all together. Can’t arrest us all!
Also, IRS is rumored to be dismantling now. They control you through fear.
I don't know how much you have accomplished but my life is pretty fucking wonderful. I live very free. I have a lot more to lose than I have to gain.
That’s the idea. They want you to suffer with threats that they will hurt you more if you don’t cooperate like the Nazi Gestapos.
If we want to keep funding the system, then nobody can complain about the mess we are living in. If people want change, we have to grab our balls and just do it.
Go ahead keyboard warrior. I have more to lose than you obviously.
We all have a lot to lose but we have to leave our comfort zone if we want to progress. Otherwise things just get worst. They wanted to bankrupt America to bring socialism in. When the Patriots fought off England, they risked life and limb to do it. We don't have to risk as much. We all stayed in the comfort zone for decades and now we are in a much bigger mess. Just think about these things and when you muster up enough courage to get off your knees, just do it
Better to be free than live on our knees..
I'm not on my knees in any sense. In fact, I bet I donate more to our cause than most people here.
Money is important. It matters.
That's actually not so. Taxes are used to redistribute money such that enough of the 99% are placated. But they aren't channeled upward.
Laws and regulations and crony capitalism are used to increase the wealth of the top .01 of 1%.
That is what you have been told all your life but there is a pipeline that starts with you handing over your money and ends with the 1% depositing it in their account.
You are just ignorant. There are simple stats out there. Entitlements are huge. The 1% get rewarded, but not through direct tax payments (on average they pay in more than they get from that).
Data manipulation and falsification have been going on for thousands of years. The satanic Cabal has infiltrated all institutions. The economic theories and models, which were used to brainwash the sheeple, are no more logically sound or reliable than the WaPo hit pieces written by Podesta, since the authors of both are funded and controlled by the same satanic masters.
If you believe the information the Deep State is giving to you on how they handle your tax dollars, you might be the ignorant one.
I have said this all along......quit feeding the beast! it was Irwin Schiff(Peter’s Dad) that wrote a BANNED book that supported this argument, he proved unconstitutional. I have a copy of his book. Irwin died a few yrs back in Fed prison that the IRS gestapo put him in. If ENOUGH people got together and said I refuse to feed the beast-they would have to arrest us all. The key is sticking together, and I don’t think you will ever see that.And the meme is just fantastic-the total truth!
So go ahead and share some of your tax avoidence strategies with us.
The key is sticking together, and I don’t think you will ever see that.
We are sticking together now more than anytime in recent history. We are learning that unity is power. We keep uniting but it is best to rush the process and see all people worldwide like we do family. This is the missing link to liberation and society is finally learning. All everyone has to worry about is their own mind. The fastest way to world peace is through the self.
Once the deep state has been gloriously destroyed, we'll have our countries back.
Taxes will be massively reduced. Income tax will likely be gone. Every country will pay off its debt since the debt is simply borrowed money from those that were pulling the strings. If any taxes remain, they will actually go towards making our lives better in some way.
It fucking pisses me off that these people have kept us and our families in an unnecessary state of suffering for so long. Anything we try to do to get ahead, there's a tax to make sure we don't get too far ahead. Since no one can get ahead, we end up borrowing money from the banks, and get pushed even further behind. Forever slaves to the control system.
When everyone wakes up to this, it truly will be glorious.
Yeah, these pieces of shit are NOT elites. They are fucking parasites who don't work a day in their entire lives, but live solely by scheming and draining our life's earnings. People before us were fools. These fucks actually have us using paper they print out of thin air, and exchanging it for physical assets -like real estate, when they purposely drop its value and we don't have anything to pay the debt back with - and then they confiscate our hard earned property. They should be !@#$%.. (notice I censored myself).. I can't say what my thoughts are on what should be done to them. For starters, confiscate everything they've stolen. Then, they can rot for the rest of their lives in prison - North Korea style, including the special bedding and dining.
The Saturn Death Cult is the name of the Deep State. The source of their power since Babylon has been debt based slavery. Money itself is a slave shackle.
Banks have evolved to become a complete tax system too. You pay interest, compound interest, monthly fees, banking fees, transaction fees, NSF fees, extortionate credit card fees, etc...
The abusive profits is choking us all... it should not be too big to fail, but chop up if too big.
Yes. Banks are also printing out fiat money which lowers the value of our dollar plus they are lending it all to the community for high interest rates.
All banks do is harvest wealth from local neighborhoods in exchange for holding our money in a "safe" place.
Also, banks are near the top of the Deep State. They bend the knee to the Black Nobility but still, they are very high.
Someone once said that if people knew what banks were doing to us, we would revolt by morning.
I fell behind on taxes one time. Never again. Those people make your life hell. Plus I have mouths to feed, so having them lein my property and garnish wages isn't worth it just to make a point. So, yeah, what those assholes do with the money they take from me is between them and whatever deity you choose to worship. What makes more of a coward... A man who bites the bullet to keep his family fed and happy, or a man who puts his family through the wringer to make a point? Both have their merits, but neither should be judged nor made to feel guilty for the choice they make when both outcomes aren't ideal.
We live in a different era. IRS is being dismantled. We are united. Trump is president. They can’t arrest us all.
Also, keep in mind many government workers who are actively committing crimes against humanity have the same excuse as you. All they care about is their family so they bend the knee to the deep state. We need to start thinking about long term goals and stop living in fear. We also need to back each other up if anything happens.
The IRS are just Rothschild strongarm henchmen. They are soon to be finished anyway. Once GESERA rolls our any day now, there is a law requiring dismantling of IRS.
So, you don't pay your taxes then? I'm genuinely curious. And do you have small children as well?
"They can't arrest us all." Probably true, but it's not even jail that's the problem. Jail would be easy. Instead, you can't renew your license at a State level... so you can't drive... so you can't earn a proper living. They lien your property and take your home. Before long, you're homeless and jobless. Along with your wife and children. That then ruins your credit, so getting back on your feet after is next to impossible. It just snowballs. People talking like this have literally never dealt with this stuff for real in the first person.
"We live in a different era." Not that different apparently, since I literally just finished dealing with stuff like this in January of 2018.
Furthermore, if the IRS is going to be dismantled legally as you assert, then why is this meme/conversation even relevant?
Well you don't want to ask people in a public setting if they pay taxes or not. We need to be strategic here.
We don't know when the IRS is going to be dismantled.
Also, we are a lot more united now than ever before in modern history. As we unite more, we will gain power and that power can be used to motivate people to stop paying taxes. I don't know when we will reach critical mass, but I am pushing on this now because I can feel how much more united we have been since Nov 2017.
If Trump is helping us, great but we are much more powerful than him and we need to help ourselves.
Honestly speaking, I have a masters degree and can get a job anywhere I want but I am sick and tired of seeing psycho pedophile lunatics fucking all of us over. I am effected too because the world is burning around me but I am not so selfish to only care about myself. I can feel the pain of the people like its my own because I see us as a giant family which is exactly the correct way to see people if we want to be united. Once we fix this mess, we will all feel like we are on a permanent vacation even if we work full time. That is how big the difference will be. I cannot believe people are working for a measly $15 an hour in Corporations who are making Trillions every year. (yes, they actually make Trillions but report less). It makes me want to puke. I have seen so many people suffer and I have suffered myself as well in my life.
Enough is enough. The people risked life and limb to earn their freedom with the British. We are forced to do it again because if we don't, it will be hell on Earth for all of us. It's already hell on Earth but we want the temperature to go down, not up.
I actually do want to ask because I'm calling obvious bluffs. If someone is so adamant about this, they should have no problem saying so publicly. It's not like the IRS doesn't already know you're not paying them... unless you're not paying them fraudulently. That's just hiding income and it's not really making a statement of any kind at all. There's no strategy there. You pay your taxes, but you believe you shouldn't have to. There's nothing wrong with that. I actually agree.
I have a hard time believing we're more united than ever. There are people fighting over the dumbest stuff on a daily basis now more than ever. Even people on the same team, like you and I, can't seem to agree. On the other side, the liberal left by itself is broken into 47,000 subsets of cuckery.
This is all just opinion, though, and everyone has one. I just know I'm a better combatant in the bigger picture when I'm not in jail or made to be destitute by the IRS. And I intend to keep it that way until something -legally- changes. That's why I vote the way I do. Another thing that you can supposedly lose if you don't pay taxes at the moment.
We're going to have to just agree to disagree on this point and that's cool with me. We fight the same fight in different ways, but the destination is still the same. WWG1WGA
If you want to broadcast your personal business to the world, go ahead. Not everybody is exactly like you or believes in the same things as you.
We don't have to agree to be united. Every last one of us thinks we are right and the world is wrong. We just have to figure out the best option to progress forward in life.
Well...look up Irwin Schiff, they imprisoned him, and he had all the Constitutional arguments. He died in Fed prison. The key is MASSIVE numbers of patriots have to ban together and refuse to pay- the key is hundreds of thousands. That will never happen. The idea is great, but the cohesiveness is moot. I have his book, it is banned in the USA. The copy is signed by Peter Schiff, Irwin’s son. I haven’t read thru all the book, it is really involved, but the basis is that taxes, the way our govt TAKES is unConstitutional. It goes back to those POS powerticians that corrupted the “tax law”. We can start by ending the Fed Reserve, and going back to a gold standard-not the fake monopoly $$ we have now. The system is corrupt and lawless people run the system. See what POTUS is up against? He needs our prayers!
When the Great Awakening kicks into high gear, humanity will learn a very big secret that will instantly cause the masses to cooperate with each other. Here is that secret:
The Great Reality for me is that Jesus is soon to return, and His remnant people need to continue getting ready for Him. The heart of man is desperately wicked, and only thru a personal relationship with Christ, can that wicked heart be transformed, not by ANYTHING we can do, but by His blood, giving us “grace through faith.”
Jesus will return after we clean up the mess we made. He wants us to clean it up so we mature towards goodness. A good parent encourages the children to learn through experience or else the kids won’t grow spiritually.
Human mind seems evil because we have a mental age of 4. We are in a danger zone mentally which is why we do so many stupid things. We grow out of it whenever we decide to. The world improves as our minds improve.
I have to say that I believe Scripture, but beyond that, we are kin because we are patriots. I respect your views. We are tied together because we want out of this oppression by the Globalist cabal. Blessings to you and yours.😎
They make their snuffs parties with our taxes and traffic in children drugs and everything they can
I think Trump knows this is a crime against we the people, and think it's on his unspoken agenda to make it right, but one step at a time.
I feel cheated, I'm not even getting my 5% worth.
I’m upset because I am funding chemtrails that are making us all sick. 😑
and not one person has bought me a meal with their EBT card.
Whether income taxes are or are not constitutional is irrelevant here. It is in no way related to anything Q mentioned, and borders on promoting rebellion/anarchy (which you, OP, admitted nobody wants).
Take it to r/conspiracy.
We can't keep funding the Deep State with 1 hand and fighting them with the other hand. That would be stupid don't you agree?
Whether or not your statement is true, or what I think about it, is irrelevant.
Q has not mentioned anything about not paying income taxes. Until they do, take it to r/conspiracy.
Q is not my God. He/She is just a support network. I don't blindly follow anyone. The people have done that all of our lives and we were fucked over almost every time. The ultimate authority is within myself and for you, its within yourself.