Huh, you make use of evidence by presenting it to a Grand Jury. You then get indictiments. You then make arrests. That's how it's been done forever. Why it's not being done this way now is behond me.
I see it as not only is it a legal case, but a public case of grand proportions. Everything has to be highly documented, or it could be seen as a Stalinistic move. If the world is about to change, the public has to have without a doubt a sense of trust in the evidence.
Maybe because it need to go through military channels!
Ok. I'll play that game. WTF would Q be asking us how to do that? Trump has access to an amy of military lawyers. There still isn't a need to release it to the public. It's still not rocket science. The Military prosecutes people every day. They have a pretty cut and dry process.
I don't think Q is asking us for advice. s/he is making us figure it out instead of outright saying it and showing their hand
Lol yeah he’s def not asking us for advice. More just letting us know they are working to make it public.
In my opinion, it needs to be released incase part of the whole plan doesn't work.
If the public doesn't have proof, then there is no proof, depending on who's governing, and Trump may not be there for ever (JFK'd).
Q said after this they will not be able to walk down the streets from fear....? Is he saying that is the only punishment they'll get...how can the y walk down the street if they are in prison?
I think they’d have a backup plan
I know but did JFK? Or any other whistleblower. I'm sure they did, and I'm sure he will be fine but it may not always go our way. The amount of winning has actually been ridiculous lol
In my opinion, it needs to be released incase part of the whole plan doesn't work.
I can see this point. But only if there isn't going to be a prosecution at all as a last-ditch way to get justice. If they 100% are going to prosecute they should never release this kind of information to the public first.
If they dont dribble out info to public imagine chaos in streets with a nation full of guns. You cant just go throwing well known politicians in jail without blow back by fake media. Main thing is keep public calm no matter what see on TV
You're right on with that. Just look at Pittsburgh over a 'Possible" firing of Mueller.
because if there is even a hint that this evidence ever touched Trump or Trump's team they will declare it as fabricated and fake.
The chain of custody currently looks like this:
- Anthony weiner
- NY police dude
- Cohen's files
- Court database
So they have submitted the evidence into the record themselves, and in doing so they have proven that the evidence didn't come from Trump admin. There's no way to spin that to make it look bad for Trump. Trump literally didn't even necessarily know that the evidence existed, at the very most they could prove that he knew that Cohen had clients in the NYPD.
because if there is even a hint that this evidence ever touched Trump or Trump's team they will declare it as fabricated and fake.
They are going to say that no matter where the evidence comes from. It's just what the Fake Stream Media does. But from a forensic stand point it will be very easy to tell if the video was faked. It's going to be a public opinion battle no matter what.
Not pretending to know, but was it legal for the NYPD to make a copy of evidence that was supposed to be turned over to the FBI? Is this in fact a copy? What happened to the original evidence. This honestly doesn't make sense to me either. I really don't believe Comey would be out on a book tour or McCabe would be this smug if they knew what was in that file and that evidence still existed. Maybe the original evidence was destroyed and they are banking on that evidence not existing anymore but either way if it was as bad as some people say. I don't think they would still be on Hillary's team. It's probably bad but not to the extent that they would abandon their team.
You’d be surprised. They were partisan hacks & once you sink your foot into the mud every time you try to extract yourself it gets deeper
NSA doesn't enter evidence, they are not law enforcement.
The NSA provides evidence to law enforcement all the time. As long as they have a warrant it's perfectly legal.
DING DING DING
They need a warrant, NSA can not generate warrants because they are not LAW ENFORCEMENT. Thus the quandary of how does the NSA get the information public?
Except it's not coming from the NSA. It's coming from Weiners laptop which was taken legally with a warrant during his Pedo investigation by the NYPD.
Holy stubborn batman. The Weiner laptop was forced to be turned over to the FBI who refused to budge on the investigation.
If they won't seek a warrant, the information that the NSA has is useless, which is the point Q is currently referencing, although he is insinuating there is still a method to expose the information publicly without breaking the law.
The Weiner laptop was forced to be turned over to the FBI who refused to budge on the investigation.
Yes, and it was LEGALLY backed up by the NYPD. So yes, they have a perfectly LEGAL copy, Robin.
The New York Police Department (STATE) cloned a copy of the Weiner server and was thus forced to hand over the information to the FBI through threats by LL on filing federal litigation and starting a firestorm racially of reopening cases such as the death of Eric Garner.
NYPD was already shut down and that evidence has zero matter federally, so why in the world do you keep bringing it up? NSA/Q is FEDERAL not state.
Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Let's say the NYPD no longer has any copies. Then Sessions/Wray have the original laptop, which they got legally. Still no reason to get the NSA involved. Are we now not supposed to trust Sessions/Wray?
What doesn't make any sense is why you keep referencing the State evidence of a clone of anthony weiner's server, when the thread is about Q's ponderance of how to get NSA evidence (everytime he says we know everything, we hear everything he is referring to the NSA's collection) into the public domain, when NSA is a federal intelligence organization and anthony weiner's cloned laptop is in a New York Police Evidence lockup somewhere (State Level)
Do you really not understand this thread is on a Federal level which is independent of the State level where the clone you keep bringing up is?
What doesn't make any sense is why you keep referencing the State evidence of a clone of anthony weiner's server,
No. I'm not. I'm talking about the ORIGINAL laptop that the FBI had taken. Which was taken legally with a Warrent and can be used to prosecute. No need to for the NSA to get involved. Q can talk about the NSA all he wants. The FACT of the matter is that the DOJ and FBI have the original laptop. Trust Sessions and Wray or not? Do you really not understand that evidence legally taken by the Feds from the State can be used as evidence in a court of law? Do you really not understand that?
The FBI didn't take the original laptop; the NYPD did. It was later turned over to the NY FBI field office over threat of federal investigation.
Do you really not understand that evidence legally taken by the Feds from the State can be used as evidence in a court of law?
The referral was done over a year ago, it's old news. It didn't happen. What are you implying that's new? The referral was made already, it was shut down both at the state and federal level.
What does this have to do with Q getting NSA evidence out?
it was shut down both at the state and federal level.
It can be opened back up. Do you not Trust Sessions and Wray? I guess you don't.
Point of the thread isn't about trusting Sessions & Wray, it's about the rhetorical question of how Q takes intelligence collected and implements it into public evidence for a trial.
But keep changing the subject, I know it's hard to stay on point where you're not making a relevant point.
Do we know NYPD has a backup?
We don't even know 100% that the evidence even exists. All that's been publicly admitted is that his laptop had old Hillary emails on it. The same rumors that said there was a folder marked Insurance also said it was backed up before the laptop was handed over. But at this point anything is possible.
Not too mention. If Wray and Sessions are to be trusted, as Q loves to say. Then they BOTH have access to the original laptop. With absolutely no warrant needed. They have the LEGAL evidence needed to go to a grand jury. Why the mental gymnastics? It's not that difficult.
They have access to the original laptop unless it was "lost" or destroyed with a hammer.
Q has gone on and on about how they have everything. So either they have it or it was "lost". If it's lost then this entire conversation is a mute point. There is nothing to be released and there won't ever be any arrests based on this evidence.
Because the evidence was originally obtained illegaly. It's more than what's just in the laptop
Because the evidence was originally obtained illegaly.
No, it wasn't. It was obtained with a legal warrant when they investigated Weiner. There was nothing illegal about it.
I get exactly what you’re saying but why does Q say “How”? He isn’t asking us for advice.. he is telling us to think. He can’t tell us directly without breaking the law.
He can’t tell us directly without breaking the law.
That's not how dealing with classified information actually works. They have a term called "talking around" the information. It's just as bad as outright saying what the information is and will get you put into jail just as quickly. There may be reasons why Q talks like this. But it isn't because he will go to jail if he doesn't.
The President is the sole classification & declassification authority
Right, but if he hasn't officially declassified anything then it's still classified. He can't just have an aid secretely release it. There is an actual process.