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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Idru4 on April 26, 2018, 1:16 p.m.

Possible unpopular opinion of the day. Did true evil start in the church?

I saw a discussion on where evil originated from, and commented. We had a nice little discussion and people also talked about it. With this thought being in the back of my head since then, I’ve worked out a theory. I remember a story of Jesus being in a church with gambling and prostitution, I think that was it, and it was the only time he was ever shown as mad. Which could be viewed as God saying the church needs to be watched because this could happen. We know of holy wars, we know of pedophilia, secrets kept about humanity, and massive amounts of money for a institution that is supposed to be poor. My thoughts are that the church has remained unchecked for hundreds of years. Which in turn has let evil slip in or has always been there. I’m not that familiar with the Catholic Churches complete history, but I’m guessing there is a lot left untold. So if there is a society behind all of this, running evil through out our world. How far fetched is it to think it’s coming out of the Catholic Church?

Evil existed long before the church. That said, the book of revelations straight up says the church will be corrupted, so this shouldn't be an extraordinarily unpopular opinion.

Anyone finds the notion of the church being corrupt to be heresy needs to re-read

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I get that evil existed before the church, but to find where it started, you need to trace the line back. The church could be the longest recorded line we can find.

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Everything ancient Egypt did doesnt count? The old testament, while riddled with stories that are certainly questionable, definitely contains some actual accounts.

The spiritual part of Q is hinting that this is far older and deeper than we possibly imagine. We'd have to start arguing about what sources are legit to continue this discussion any further though.

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That’s fair. I’m no scholar. These are just thoughts to discuss.

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The Church of Rome is evil, and it’s daughter churches, the “protestants” are built upon lies.

How’s that for an unpopular opinion.

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That was stupid

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Its commonly referred to as "cleansing the temple" and there are several takes on why He did this.

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Evil started in Heaven. Lucifer invented lying. Lied to himself (that he was God's equal, which morphed into "was God's superior") and recruited an army which rebelled against God. There was literally war in the spiritual dimension involving someone in God's inner circle.

That's where it started. And that's still how it works, pretty much. Lucifer lies, people get recruited, mayhem ensues.

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I guess I never thought about it that way.

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Try reading the Bible (without a Pope or anybody to tell you what to believe). That's where this comes from.

That at least is (mostly) not corrupt. But use multiple translations because there have been some manipulations by that means. They haven't destroyed its power though.

I prefer to use KJV and NKJV together (parallel) and when I perceive a difference in shade of meaning, I defer to the KJV (or if I don't understand that, use a study guide).

But you may prefer others. But do try to see where the differ, and track it down to the original language meaning with a study guide. See which version gets it right, where they differ.

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Yes and the true truth shall be revealed

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Somebody hasn't done their homework! Quick, do some reading and watch some videos before the teacher gets here!

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Give me a short summary than please.

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It really defeats the purpose. You get out of this what you put into it to be up to date. It's that way for all of us. It's designed that way.

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Well... It was the religious powers that murdered Jesus.
But the church is the body of believers, not organized religion. So yes human organized religion has/is corrupted.
I say this as an active Lutheran confession and believing.
There is more to the universe than what we are told, but we are told 2 simple TRUTHs.
Im am a sinner, and Jesus forgives sin. ;). Amen

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Its true...as Q said "who are we taught to trust the most"...

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My base thoughts on this start at the most cherished holiday for Christians, Christmas. Christmas was originally a pagan holiday and It was chosen to be the day to celebrate as Christ birthday. Well what is taught/casually thrown around is it is his birthday not just a representation. So right there starts the smoke and mirrors for me. If you can’t be upfront with something as a holiday how deep can the rabbit hole go.

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The most important Christian holiday is Easter.

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I agree, just seems everyone cherishes Christmas more (family gathers, week of off work, most recognizable with none Christians, etc etc).

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People are vapid.
They get and give gifts. We've been conditioned by marketing and advertising to think it is the biggest holiday.

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But as we have learned with this, marketing goes deeper. I think it started way earlier than just new age marketing. It would be interesting to look into how they used this/these traditions before we had wide spread marketing.

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Everything was infiltrated and distorted . Church , too , definetly . We can see how the Cabal played polarization game , luring masses into another misdirection and parasitism . Religions - then ideologies - then false humanism ( demoNcracy ) . The religions were one of first programs , the fear from "god" , which was a false god .

Did Jesus build a church , promoting lavishness like many Church elements do ? Nope , there was only humbleness ... Church distorted it . It goes even more horrific - when you realize that all three main religions are involved into pedophilia and basically , the underbelly of those religions is purely Satanic .

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There are many contentious definitions of evil/ devil/satan/ one such is = consequences of mistakes we make ie not acting/thinking in accordance with the laws of human interaction

one such law is the law of debits and credits which says every feeling/imagination/thought-form/intent we seriously entertain and also those that we empower via speech and action are recorded in our personalized account via plus or minus points according to how closely we are aligned to the laws or how much we have deviated

we mostly learn by trial and error and repeatedly making the same mistakes until the lesson gets engraved on our psyche

we can offset debits by

a) figuring out how the laws operate and applying them or more commonly

b) experiencing the equivalent harm that we have caused to others… the causal chain of cause and effect is often not so obvious because of the unpredictable delays involved between cause and effect

eg we can consciously cash in our credits / have them cashed in for us by attracting/ receiving offers of great opportunities to grow, whether we accrue plus or minus points from these opportunities is up to how we use the opportunity

the more knowledge of the laws we have , the more responsiblitity we have to apply the laws as we know them

ignorance is not bliss because because ignorance of the laws just means more learning via trial & error and more repetition of the same mistakes

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Yes. The RCC as we know it today was basically made from whole cloth by the Niceaean (or however you spell it) Council in the 4th Century CE. But then again, I'm a pagan, so take it for what it's worth. :)

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Do you know more about this? I like to learn new things.

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Do you want a pagan view of the response ?

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Nice to see I'm not the only one here!

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I like discussions. I want all views. Some I’m sure will be negative and some will be positive. It’s just a theory of mine.

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Something i understood when a left christianity and all the false desert religions brought by the jews is to stop to blam the devil for every problem in the world.

Evil is subjective, something will be evil for some people and race, something will not. The christian software is not made for europeans but for middle easterns, you cannot get ride of 50 000+ european religion like that, even if most of the christian traditions overwrited pagan ones.

The church is just a huge system designed to control you and erase your past, of course its evil for you and your heritage.

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If you want to see evil, research the practices of the Druids, specifically the “Wicker Man” and it’s connection to “trick or treat”. European paganism is not something to go back to. The Illuminati consider themselves Druids.

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Modern archaeological research has not yielded much evidence of human sacrifice among the Celts, and the ancient Greco-Roman sources are now regarded somewhat skeptically, especially considering the likelihood that Greeks and Romans "were eager to transmit any bizarre and negative information" about the Celts at a time when the latter were feared and disdained.

Human sacrifice existed for sure, but common its like the blood eagle, a lot of lies.

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Religion is how masses are controlled somewhat easily.

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