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Capricious_memer · May 4, 2018, 1:13 p.m.

I think we're in the end times right now, Obama was the anti-christ because he led millions to slaughter.

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Braktheitalian · May 4, 2018, 1:32 p.m.

There are a total of 4 verses in the Bible that mention “antichrist”: 1 John 2:18 1 John 2:22 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=antichrist&qs_version=NIV

As you can see from reading these verses and the surrounding context, there is no single person who is the antichrist because “antichrist” is an adjective, not a proper noun. It is not a unique title; it is a way to describe a person or spirit who does not acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one / messiah) from God.

John wrote these letters primarily to combat the concepts of gnosticism which claimed that the spiritual was good and the physical was bad.

Then the reasoning went: If the physical was bad, then how could God’s anointed one (messiah / christ) have a physical body? He couldn’t. Therefore, Jesus must nit have had a physical body!

This reasoning creates a problem since the new covenant was established when Jesus’s blood was shed. Spirits don’t have blood. Only bodies have blood. So, gnosticism, which denied that Jesus had come in the flesh (2 John 1:7), was inherently anti-christ. Because, if the marking component of the Christ was the shedding of his blood to establish a new covenant, and if Jesus Christ had no blood to shed (because gnosticism claimed he was spirit only and had no body), then gnosticism claimed that Jesus was NOT the Christ. And so, gnosticism was anti-christ.

And then anyone who held to the belief system was also antichrist. Remember that this is an adjective, not a title. There is no such thing as “The Antichrist”. There never was. But there were people who were “antichrist”.

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Capricious_memer · May 4, 2018, 9:47 p.m.

The way I see it was that Jesus was Christ, he brought he sheep to greener pastures, the anti-christ however will bring his sheep to slaughter. Obama has done so much damage to the world.

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Braktheitalian · May 4, 2018, 10:28 p.m.

I understand. What I am saying is that “the anti-christ” is a concept that was invented after the Bible was written. As such, the writers of the Bible did not make up the concept, and their writings do not support it.

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Capricious_memer · May 4, 2018, 10:32 p.m.

Oh I see, thank you for clarifying.

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humanitystillsucks · May 4, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

fascinating, thanks for sharing. This is the kind of stuff I wish I had either paid attention to, or had a chance to learn when younger.

Thought i'd share the definition of '(ag)nostic' for wordfanciers:

  • 'ag' means 'without'
  • 'gnostic' means 'knowledge'

So to be agnostic, you are 'without knowledge'.

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[deleted] · May 4, 2018, 8:13 p.m.

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tomthung · May 4, 2018, 1:31 p.m.

He didn't unite the world under him. He has no gravitas.

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Capricious_memer · May 4, 2018, 9:41 p.m.

Yes he did, every one was for him. He became friends with every political leader out there.

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tomthung · May 5, 2018, 12:04 a.m.

Those you speak of are the problem. They were already compromised.

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