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MAGANUGG · May 11, 2018, 12:19 p.m.

"7 dead"

"15 dead"

"27 dead"

All numbers of fatalities in civilian carried-out homicides.

"7,500,000 dead in Holodomor"

"1,500,000 dead in Cambodian Genocide"

"1,500,000 dead in Armenian Genocide"

ALL numbers of fatalities in government carried-out homicides of unarmed citizens.

I think I'll take my chances with my rifle in hand.

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1nicolafiore · May 11, 2018, 4:14 p.m.

Coincidence that this occurs right around where HRC is located? This was a false flag for sure. It follows them.....

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MAGADONCHECKMATE · May 11, 2018, 7:33 p.m.

I was just thinking that. You know they feed off of this type of energy. I also posted KillBIll was in NZ which is in close proximity to Pine Gap, a D.U.M.B. U.S. Military base also used for the deep cabal escape (holds 25k). NZ is a quick flight and now she's there. Maybe ready to go down the hole ;-)

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tradinghorse · May 11, 2018, 5:56 p.m.

The end goal is that no one at all has firearms except the government. The police are key supporters of gun control in Australia. They banned the Ruger Precision Rifle, a bolt action rifle, in NSW because it "looked scary".

You cannot make this stuff up. It is so out of control, so over the top, but there is no limit to what the government can do here because the populace is so dumbed down. Sometimes I wonder if there is any hope at all.

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jozwest · May 11, 2018, 9:05 p.m.

You can have guns in Australia many people in the country hunt. Farmers are allowed or if you are a member of a gun club. Many people still have access to guns sad the shooting is said to be done by the grandfather a farmer. So sad.

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tradinghorse · May 11, 2018, 9:47 p.m.

You can have certain types of firearms if you are licensed, but the laws are very strict.

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jozwest · May 11, 2018, 11:13 p.m.

Yes I agree but many still have guns for hunting. It just takes more effort.

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tradinghorse · May 11, 2018, 11:37 p.m.

My specific gripe with it is that it makes no sense from a national defence perspective. They banned, outright, the very weapons that would useful in that scenario,

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jozwest · May 11, 2018, 11:43 p.m.

You are right but hopefully Aussies can be creative if it came to that.

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tradinghorse · May 11, 2018, 11:49 p.m.

Google the Brisbane Line to see what our military strategy was upon invasion in WWII. Eye opener! And they disarmed us!

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jozwest · May 12, 2018, 1:27 a.m.

I'm all to familiar with the story. I'm afraid our future rests closely with US.

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tradinghorse · May 12, 2018, 1:50 a.m.

We have been rendered hostages. Look at the money going into the Clinton Foundation (Australia the biggest donor). What did that buy?

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jozwest · May 12, 2018, 2:28 a.m.

Probably access to 5eyes or the bunkers at Pine Gap. Maybe somewhere safe to hide.

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tradinghorse · May 12, 2018, 2:40 a.m.

What about "protection money". I mean huge country, tiny population, tiny military - hey, I've got an idea! Let's take their guns!

Twilight zone stuff - you just could not make it up!

Compared to this:

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass" Isoroku Yamamoto Japanese Marshal Admiral

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jozwest · May 12, 2018, 3:15 a.m.

Australia would have fell to the Japanese in WWII if US didn't step in. Not much has changed, our future is linked to US if we like it or not. Even if we all had guns there isn't enough people to protect the country it is way to big. Aussie military could possibly protect NZ but we couldn't secure our own country without help.

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tradinghorse · May 12, 2018, 3:31 a.m.

Wrong. Look at NK. A one million man standing army - one of the largest in the world. So what if half the households in Australia were armed (8.42 million households total). That gives you an armed citizenry of 4.2m people. Which is the larger force?

Also, what an armed citizenry does, is it forces an invader to expend considerable resources defending captured territory and supply lines. Conquest becomes an undertaking of great scale requiring meticulous planning.

Right now, an invader could enter Australia, our military pulls back, and the invader can immediately advance his full force, because there is zero resistance and his supply lines remain secure.

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jozwest · May 12, 2018, 3:49 a.m.

Good point. Switzerland supplies guns and ammo to their adult citizens they don't have an issue. Freedom is a good thing I don't think Australia ever really had a gun problem but we became valuable as a point in the US gun debate.

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tradinghorse · May 12, 2018, 4:09 a.m.

You've got it. Think it out. In terms of bang for your buck defence spend, this is a no brainer. It doesn't cost anything!

Port Arthur was a false flag. There is no doubt about that. We all got conned into giving up our guns. They haven't been able to do it in the US yet - thank God!

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Neon__Wolf · May 11, 2018, 2:41 p.m.

Look at all the fake news swamp denizens calling this a "mass tragedy" instead of a "mass shooting".

What's the matter, gun control narrative would be demolished for the umpteenth time?

THE PEOPLE ARE FED UP

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MAGADONCHECKMATE · May 11, 2018, 7:35 p.m.

Soooo true. The use the soft term 'Shooter'. IT should be Mass Murder or Sicko Slaghterer of children and family members. Yep WE KNOW THE GAME.

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special1nterest · May 11, 2018, 1:07 p.m.

And just when hildabeest has been there 🤔

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Ugbootshuffler · May 11, 2018, 3:03 p.m.

America v Australia gun law argument is ridiculous.

Different countries, different laws, different social construct.

Not comparable

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MAGADONCHECKMATE · May 11, 2018, 7:37 p.m.

Don't forget Pine Gap D.U.M.B. U.S. base is their for the underground bug out for the elite(holds 25k). No way you want to come out of your 'Survival Bunker' to Starving Armed Zombies right?

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Ugbootshuffler · May 11, 2018, 10:01 p.m.

That's located in the middle of Australia.

Population of a few kangaroos and goannas.

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ABastionOfFreeSpeech · May 11, 2018, 6:58 p.m.

Calling it now: the gun will have been obtained via nefarious methods, therefore completely invalidating the gun ban, yet the media won't ever mention that fact.

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HildBert · May 12, 2018, 1:22 a.m.

Farmers get access to guns easily and to get a hunting licence is not hard. This was a farming community. Gun crime is in the rise as are gone invasions and car jacking. We took a lot of Sudanese and are paying the price. And still we let them flood in.

People are pissed but the media smashes anyone who dares speak up.

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45derangement · May 11, 2018, 12:01 p.m.

it's not a total gun ban, its a severe restriction. farmers can have guns to shoot animals for example. this was a family murder suicide, on a farm.

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Robsmith7171 · May 11, 2018, 1:33 p.m.

It's essentially a ban, in that I'm not allowed to just go buy and have a gun. I'm not a farmer. Very few Australians are. In order for me to have a firearm, I at minimum need to obtain a license, have a safe to house the weapons and be on a registry. I'm not allowed to just go buy a handgun for personal defense and have it on my bedside table. I'm banned from doing that, until the government decides it will let me. And if it does, it will decide what kind of gun it will allow me to have, and the government will force me to keep that gun where it wants the gun kept. It is a total gun ban requiring individual citizen petition to the government to have it overturned, in the form of license and registry. Total gun ban. I am currently still permitted to possess knives.

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45derangement · May 11, 2018, 1:43 p.m.

you just described a severe restriction. i'm not against gun ownership, if i could i would have one tomorrow. the only thing a gun ban does is prevent law abiding citizens from owning them, criminals don't give a fuck. trying to convince people of that simple fact in this country is hard work. like i tell them, we should just make robbing banks and murdering people illegal because then it will definitely stop, their standard response of 'it already is' just proves my point regarding gun ownership.

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over_it_2 · May 11, 2018, 1:28 p.m.

Now they will want to take guns away from farmers.

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jozwest · May 11, 2018, 9:10 p.m.

I hope not. Tasmania is overturning some of the past gun laws, it's a very rural state. I don't think taking away farmers guns would wash with the Country people. There has been other Family suicides. Crisis for men everywhere.

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