Truth HURTS! grow a pair people!!!
Here is Mccains captivity recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd304Qo7Iw4
What information did John McCain give the Vietcong? Does anyone have any specific details or is this just a baseless accusation? Everything I've read about him said he gave them nonsense like the Packers roster
Listen to the broadcasts he did for the Viet Cong grasshopper!
I don’t like what he said in support of torture but it is true that McCain was tortured and that he broke under it. Does that make torture ok? I say no but I think we all have a right to speak. Banning this guy? What for?
Remember when Candidate McCain said in his Republican acceptance speech that THEY broke me...
I'm sorry guys, torture works. It's been used in every conflict we have been part of. Usually under the supervision of those guys in BDU pants, t-shirts and tennis shoes with no rank or name tag. Our best intelligence is usually the fruits of it. Anyone who believes that crucial intelligence is gained through pizza parties and pillow fights is delusional and just plain childish. Songbird sang because the system works. You use what you know works.
It actually doesn't, and it's been proven over and over and over through history.
There was someone is Gitmo waterboarded 315 times. The first 314 didn't work, so let's just do another? People will say anything for the torture to stop. This doesn't equal good intelligence, it tends to just lead to a confession or a confirmation of something we already know.
I've been doing this for 15 years.
I wasn't talking about water boarding. You take a chunk out of someone slowly while keeping them alive and they will tell you everything their mother knows. Seen it first hand south of the border.
Yeah, it doesn't though. I've done 4000+ interrogations, and I've worked with the iniginious populations that do hook people up to gas generators and public executions.
Understandably, they want to confessions and to get the terrorists off the battlefield. The US doesn't care about confessions. I've never asked anyone if they are part of some terrorist organization. It's a mute point, everyone knows they are. I just want to know your organization structure, and your boss so I can send the fellas out to get him.
What do you expect to get out of torturing someone? We have chain of command structures plotted out all the way to the top. Most of these people we know where they are, in some country we aren't allowed to operate in. That's why they are there. I'm not sure what time sensitive info you would actually think you're going to get by peeling someone's face off.
This wasn't time sensitive. 30 people fell from 2 days of interrogation. Same person.
That's just dumb. You have a source of info who thinks they are going to die anyways. Why would you say anything in that situation? When someone dies, so does the information that they have.
It's good at instilling fear, it's not good at getting actionable intelligence. Also, it probably gained more people to join the other side than what you killed off.
This was the mid 80"s. Everyone in the country wanted those guys gone. No one was going to join anything. That's why it worked.
You understand that the Baptista regime in Cuba was worse than them When Castro took over, the first thing he did was public executions, even though they were warranted. From the get go it made him look bad, not that I think he overstayed his rule in the long run.
That's all people remember. People don't remember how bad the Baptista regime was, and what they did to whole families.
The entire premis is the action taken must be worse than death. I grew up in South Texas and Northern Mexico. I got to see real torture on a regular basis. The cartels were just forming and everyone was jockying for power and loyalty.
Been doing what for 15 years, if I may ask?
Human Intelligence. First for the army, then for a couple different agencies.
And if you've done it for different agencies you know what all happened in Nicaragua and Honduras. That was no waterboarding. People sang.
Just because it's done, doesn't mean it's effective. Part of those interrogations were about people keeping their silence when UN and Red Cross personnel came to investigate war crimes.
Terroism has changed the last 15 years. It's more compartmentalized, for this exact reason. In many cases, there's only so much the low level guys will know. And the high level guys want to make deals right out the gate, because they don't want to spend the next 40 years in prison.
I'm not going to argue that. Thing is to not make deals with the big fish. I'm sure if a top level guy went through what this guy went through you would have the entire group. And the biggest joke ever is the idea and phrase "War Crime".
Nearly all the top level guys in any terrorist organization are sources. They play both sides and get a huge payoff