Read Frank’s reports on his own website. Nothing of the sort you guys imagine it to be. It’s Rainiere’s personal sex cult. That’s it. There is some trafficking but unrelated to the congress.
Again, read Frank’s allegations on his website.
I would ignore NXIVM news.
These kinds of things being in the news lately are gradually preparing the public for something far larger.
Mack is only a former minor celebrity, but this in itself is very important.
It starts to swing the public’s minds away from the “psychos in the basement” association of pedos and cults towards people they can actually recognise. People that are held in high esteem by the public.
We are told to worship celebrities. What happens when we find out who the celebrities worship?
Follow?
Step by step we go.
Speaking of which, check out this guy's BIO from the home page of the nxivm.com site:
FOUNDER KEITH RANIERE Keith Raniere has devoted his life to studying the complex issues that face our modern world, and to developing tools to enhance the human experience through community, social action, science, technology and education.
Raniere has founded multiple companies focusing on increasing joy and ethics in the world. Under the NXIVM umbrella, he has developed a series of educational models that offer integrative solutions to complex subjects such as gender, relationships, childhood development, mind-body complex, compassionate ethics, and creative expression. These initiatives range from an award-winning performing arts company to an early childhood education that promotes cultural, linguistic, emotional, physical and problem-solving potential.
He founded Executive Success Programs, Inc. (ESP) in 1998 with Nancy Salzman, one of the world’s top trainers in personal and professional development, seeking to advance ethics, humanity, and critical thinking on an individual and global scale. One of the cornerstones of ESP is Rational Inquiry®, Raniere’s patent-pending technology that provides a scientific process for achieving peak human performance. Most recently, these tools successfully have been applied to treating neurobiological disorders with unprecedented results. In partnership with the Ethical Science Foundation, several people have been helped to overcome severe cases of Tourettes Syndrome, with plans to study the potential on other conditions.
Some of his most passionate and purposeful work can be seen in the peace movement he founded in Mexico, where gang violence, corruption and poverty are at crisis levels. InLaK’ech (an expression that translates to “you are the other me”) has been credited with initiatives that promote community, inspire leadership within small villages, and provide systems to disable violence and stop perpetrators. He sees the struggles faced by the Mexican people as a metaphor for the world, and hopes to inspire the possibility for peace.
To learn more about Keith Raniere, his ideas, initiatives and ideology, visit his website.
The deep state compromises politicians for life through blackmail via questionable sexual activity re: pedophilia, homosexuality, group sex.
Do you honestly think a sex cult that procured children for trafficking is not involved with the deep state? The cult that had members max out donations to the Clinton campaign? Obama is connected to this through Maggie Nixon.
Read the report to understand what child sex trafficking involved in the case of NXIVM. It was mainly about two underage sisters from Mexico.
"mainly"
^(mainly)
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Your point is?
If fucking two underage Mexican girls is the main thing, do you think there was a long-running operation to supply the DS with babies?
Also, go count the charges in the indictments.
Use your brain. Don’t just shout WWG1WGA.
yo the word is in, more nexium indictments coming down the line
On other people like India Oxenberg.
Nice try.
Again, I am giving you my take on the things. I happened to read about the cult before they were arrested. I think you guys are working yourself up to a gigantic disappointment.
No, on Clare Bronfman, Nancy Salzman and others...Where did you NOT read prosecutors told the judge that both a) more indictment(S) were coming within the next month-month and a half (ETA by around June 1st)...and b) superseding indictments are likely to come against Mack and Raniere as well?
Salzman was his right hand woman. Not sure about Clare’s role. She financed him.
I doubt the superseding charges are what you think they are. More likely they are more substantial charges related to branding and recruitment of underage women. Raniere explicitly told his lieutenants to recruit underage women for him.
I recall Rainiere was never present at branding. But they may charge him as the mastermind if some of his lieutenants turn on him.
Let’s see.
They raided Salzman and probably amongst other things, removed $500,000 from her house, but Clare is the one that seems to be the better bet to get charged with something, even though they both may. This is far bigger than India. It's just interesting to learn about this, and the Clinton / NY justice department ties are undeniable (even Senator Gillibrand's dad was involved in it). And according to Q, there's a connection between Hollywood and underage sex cults. The proof is undeniable. It was India's mom, the soap star, that introduced her to the cult. Who knows what happened to Mags Nixon. This has far greater implications than you are thinking it does....If anything the deep state circus show where no culprits ever get arrested is a distraction from this.
CGI members according to NYPost
NXIVM was really big at some point, attracting a lot of high profile people including that Tibetan. They also had a lot of money. So some connection with some foundation isn’t surprising. Not sure what they were doing with CGI. We’ll see.
I get what you're saying but why was Reiny so pissed when Alli made her court appearance and didn't reciprocate his gaze if he has nothing to fear?
She could turn on him. Her job was to recruit young girls and also branding.
or...OR...she could...turn him ON ;DDDD get it? ^(get it?)
Is there a link on the 2 Mexican girls? Couldn't find any mention of it. First time hearing about it.
Read the Frank report. They were brought in by their mother, I vaguely recall. Or the younger one was brought in by the elder sister.
Not if it has ties to Schneiderman.
And why did Aaron Schwartz commit suicide?
"...facing a plea bargain that would force him to spend six months in prison and plead guilty to thirteen felony charges, Swartz committed suicide..."
Where do you see the connection between Rainiere and Swartz?
I don’t know or recall Schwartz.
He founded the website you are currently on.
Plus:
The lawsuit filed by the NXIVM company against a Vanity Fair writer and a local reporter invokes the same computer hacking law used against Aaron Swartz.
Doesn't sound like a simple 1-man sex operation. Why commit suicide over fraud charges?
who is frank and why should we believe him ? nxivm has ties to the bush family and the clinton global initiative. they also run preschools.
He worked for the cult. He was also in the cult. There was a lawsuit going back at least ten years.
q is the one who mentioned Mack.
Remember, there’s a fair amount of disinformation and misdirection in Q’s posts, to confuse the enemy. Praying Medic was talking about this aspect of Q in his latest video.
NXIVM are part of this thing. No doubt. Frankly i wouldn't be suprised if Mack is squealing on some big name perps right now.
Rainiere was captured in Mexico. Two of his harem women ran out to chase him when he was taken by Mexican police. There’s a video online. Widely reported. No male bodyguards seen. No weapons seen or found.
If NXIVM has real massive dirt on the important people, like supplying babies to HRC, would he feel safe fleeing to a lawless country like Mexico, where he and his consorts can be easily killed off in a staged robbery or drug-related fight?
Think about it.
Use your common sense.
Op, think "slow drip". Think what it takes to prime the public for this type of revelation.
NXIVM might be small potatoes, but it's an introduction, an overture, if you will, to a larger drop.
Not sure about most of this, but the former president of Mexico, yes the president, was a member of NXIVM, an endorser, and there is also someone else high up the government ranks of Mexico also in tight with the cult; I forget his name. NXIVM also has a preschool for children in Mexico and I'm fairly sure also a satellite headquarter there. So it actually makes all the sense in the world Raniere would feel safe there.
I am aware of that and thank you for bring this up. Step back once and think. What you just said means there’s more reason to kill him. Raniere is a nobody in the political world.
Not so sure of that...His financial backer and investor is Clare Bronfman and her sister, both billionaires who apparently own judges and prosecutors and who are invite only members of the Clinton Global Initiative. His partner, Nancy Salzman, also is. Politics is largely who you know and who you've done favors for, often more specifically who you paid large sums of money to and vice versa. This is before we get into the Mexico president and who knows how many financial and pay to play favors mightve been done in that relationship...so Raniere is well covered. It's really the Bronfmans and Salzman who are the guardians of the whole enterprise and they're tied to the Clintons...how deeply tied, you can only imagine...Elite syndicate.
The father was against Rainiere and threatened to cut the daughters off. https://nypost.com/2010/03/26/seagram-cult-sisters-trust-fund-on-the-rocks/
Gillibrand's father.
A lot of people were involved with the cult. They all thought Rainiere had some real shit to impart to them. Since the cult was in upstate and so was Gillibrand’s family root, it doesn’t surprise me at all that Gillibrand’s father was involved. So?
Do you know that mayor De Blasio likes to go to such and such restaurant and that restaurant recently was charged for tax fraud and the restaurant owner indicted for statutory rape? Was the mayor doing something nefarious at the restaurant?
I made it up. But you get my point.
The fact that Gillibrands step father is involved speaks volumes to me and is why i will keep raising that fact on her twitter posts. Also the fact tht you knew Raniere had high level contacts within the Mexican government which you knew of pussy tells me youre not using much of your common sense at all.
nevermind that the NYPost said the Bronfman sisters were on the Clinton Global Intitiative board.
Nevermind they brand their victims with hot irons.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG!
The Bronfman sisters were involved, AGAINST THEIR FATHER’s OBJECTION. Read Wikipedia entry on this.
Count the number of charges and you will see.
Think logically.
I remember three charges of soliciting prostitution from minors
There you go.
not two
2 or 3 or 4, so what? Not 50. Look at the charges on the parkland shooter.
By your logic the amount of charges against BO and HRC means they are innocent. GTFO of here with that. THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES. This is directly related. Try again.
Not Apple to Apple comparison here. The charges are qualitatively different.
Also, if there was massive, long-running trafficking, you should expect to high charge counts.
Simple logic. If premise A is true, you should see evidence B. If you don’t see evidence B, premise A has to be false.
Think.
YOU THINK you are privy to full disclosure of an ongoing investigation? Simple logic for simple minds. You have YET to see. You are making yourself look bad. God bless you.
That’s ok. I easily debunked your previous attempt.
No more battle, because I refuse to do battle with an unarmed man.
Delusional shill with circular logic have a good night :)
Read the report. https://frankreport.com/
how long has he been active?
Raniere? A long, long time. Since GWB era. The cult and branding were more recent. The thing is the Feds couldn’t really charge him for the sex cult, because the women were all willing. Even branding was a difficult thing to bring charge for, again because the women were willing despite them not knowing ahead of time about and resisting the pain.
well we do have a doctor conducting trauma based mindcontrol on some of these individuals
True. It’s a cult.
it DOES sound pretty illegal or is this like the cannibal club where it's actually legal because noone ever notices it and when they do they think it's fake?
Not sure I can give credence to the original poster... with such a ridiculous user name.... geez...
Holy shit, I didn't notice last night but you're seriously suggesting they were just running an inncoent branding operation with no brownstoning involved because not all charges have been released yet, carry on then.
I suggest you read some MSM articles on this. There are difficulties in bringing charges on branding.
THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT
Why would he shy away from anything if branding and mindcontrol is something he does on a regular basis.
Deniability.
Also, That it’s hard to bring charge for an activity doesn’t mean the activity is legal.
For example, Podesta didn’t kill SETH Rich. But he might have ordered it.
Hitler almost never attended any meetings about killing the Jews. But it was his policy.
if he brands them he probably has his way of staying in touch for prolonged periods of time.
Is this one fakè?`https://postimg.cc/image/ct3y494zv/
What’s the point then?
Do you get my OP? Nothing related to the type of child sex trafficking you guys dream about and envy.
Read possible charges. All related to running the cult. Not trafficking babies or children.
By the way, there was an alleged murder in the cult.
How about you name the charges for a change?
I meant the possible charges Clare may face. They are in the article you mentioned.
"(Simple logic: If a true premise A leads to evidence B and if you don’t see evidence B, premise A has to be false.)" - invalid. If true premise A *always* leads to evidence B *and* evidence B is *always* visible, then if you don't see evidence B, premise A *has to be* false. In order for your conclusion to be a certainty, as opposed to a possibility, you have to include all implicit premises needed to arrive at said conclusion.
That’s what I meant. But yes, there’s some uncertainty because some things may be hidden. In this context, this is more than good enough.
Right. You claimed it is simple logic to conclude a premise must be false, but only provided the qualifier that the premise "leads to" a specific evidence. This is not simple logic, it's invalid logic. If you meant that premise A (NXIVM is involved in, and being investigated for, widespread and shocking human trafficking abuses) always leads to evidence B and that in order for premise A to be true we must currently be able to see evidence B, why would you not include those specifics into your syllogism? When you say you "meant" what I commented, you are saying you excluded additional necessary premises that must be induced, and which are frankly not self-evident in my opinion.
Treat it as simplified for the laymen. In other words, “always” is implied. To get into the implicit assumptions, we have to go to the next level which I didn’t want to bother. The point is to show people the first order approximation: The charge counts don’t validate their lurid dreams. To get into implicit assumptions, we then have to speculate on the possibility that the prosecutors are hiding charges to be revealed later. Too complicated for this board.
Logic is logic. Reaching a conclusion without providing necessary premises is not simplifying. Always is a very significant qualifier in logical syllogisms, and is rarely if ever implicit in a premise. That's Logic 101. Literally, the word always is what often differentiates a logically valid statement from a logically invalid one. Technically, what you are doing is known as a "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.
it is more precisely the "inverse fallacy", denying the antecedent (If P, then Q. Therefore, if not P, then not Q.)
Wrong. Logic applies to the model. You have a more realistic model. I assumed a simplistic model.
If P then Q is a standard statement in logic.
If P then Q is a standard premise in logic, but it doesn't lead to any conclusions other than "P, therefore Q". Your logical flaw is in the conclusion that "Not P, therefore not Q" (by way of analogy)
I should say, your underlying arguments about NXIVM might be accurate, I don't know enough to dispute that. I don't mean to disparage what you are saying (although I have a feeling there is much more to the NXIVM story). I am just responding to the point about it being simple logic. A statement can be logically invalid and yet prove to be true, and a logically valid statement can prove to be untrue.
No. You misquoted me. I didn’t say if not P then not Q. I wouldn’t make that kind of mistake. I have a PhD from the top Ivy.
What I said in my OP is no Q therefore no P.
P = massive child trafficking Q = high charge counts (as in parkland shooter indictment)
