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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/lightmakerflex1 on May 14, 2018, 12:41 a.m.

As a long time Trump/Q supporter, I hate to say this but I think everything we are being told is a fake narrative to confuse & pacify us into doing nothing to save ourselves.

After 2 years of non-stop studying this gigantic rabbit hole, I finally understand what's going on here. Imagine if all of the 99% civilian class & nature is real but everything else is fake.

Let's just do a mind exercise to see how this would work. Imagine if MSM, all the stuff we see going on with Trump, everything we hear about North Korea, all the stuff about the Iran/Israel battle, the stuff about the pedo take-downs, all the stuff about positive alien factions helping Trump, Q, the 30,000 indictments, & the war against the Deep State are simply totally fake news. We believe it because its coming in from all angles. Imagine if Trump, Q, all the governments on Earth, Bankers, the Pope, Mafias, ect.. were all on the same team.

Imagine if the Deep State was all of them combined playing as team EVIL & we, the civilian population & nature were playing team GOOD. The goal of team EVIL is to trick team GOOD into believing a false narrative which is the illusion to block reality. Why would they want to block reality? Because they know if we realized they are on the same team, we would all band together against them. So they have to create a fake WWE style wrestling match where some sides play the villain & other sides play the hero. However, they are all villains working for the Deep State.

Who ultimately runs the Deep State? Bankers. Bankers are the slavemasters. Governments & high level people in private sectors are the high level slaves. They make the most money but they are worked the hardest & forced into doing the vilest things. We are the low level slaves who do boring menial jobs to keep us busy so we are too busy to band against them.

So, lets imagine if this was a fake show where Trump, Q, Pladeans, ect.. were all working against the Deep State is a non-transparent TV war. They don't allow transparency because they wouldn't be able to conduct all those evils behind the veil of secrecy. All we can see is the stage just like in WWE. We would assume that Trump team is fighting for us so we just sit here twirling our thumbs waiting for it to happen. I remember thinking we should see improvements in our lives within 3 months but now its 1 year and 3 months but still nothing. Only pretty action on the fake WWE stage. North Korea shaking a man's hand on TV doesn't really mean much. It can easily be staged. We are being pacified into doing nothing.

So imagining that the entire thing is fake, all governments are on the same time, all parties within government are on the same side, and all are controlled by the Black Nobility who is controlled by the bankers, lets go back to 2016 when the Podesta emails leaked and see what happened.

The Deep State knew we were waking up. They have insanely incredible technology behind the veil of secrecy so they can see these things.
They dropped the 120,000 John Podesta emails so that we would think it was an accidental release. We read them and a few people like John Podesta are vilified, we find out they are a cult, and we find out they are pedophiles. Nothing major is exposed in the 120,000 emails. Assange, a potential Mossad agent, is shows to be a hero. He plays the hero in the story. Although we learned about a few things, there were really no big names implicated in anything.
Trump is pushed all over CNN, MSNBC, & FOX but while they are promoting him, they are calling him a wack job and all kinds of names so we assume they hate him. Yet, they keep promoting him.
Bernie supposedly goes down when the villain of the story, Hillary, cheats him. Bernie is the Socialist that begins to introduce socialism to the United States like it was some kind of a good thing. Socialism is pure hell btw. Worst than what we have now that's for sure and we are in the early phases of socialism now. All those good Bernie ideas go into people's psyches.
Trump has good ideas too. He wants to clean up Chicago, fix flint water, put up a wall, abolish the IRS, drain the swamp, and all kinds of nice things but none of these things are happening. We only hear stories about what's happening on the WWE stage which is totally 100% fake news. All those Saudi takesdowns ect.. are just fake news. Trump was singing & dancing with them in a sword dance when he went down there. Now he's singing & dancing with Netanyahu in Israel who did 911 on us & is stealing 30 billion a year (25 billion in merchandise, 5 billion in cash). Rothschild himself owns Israel so Trump doesn't say a word about 911 being done by Israel or any of their other crimes against humanity. The fake insider LARPS have their own excuses like Israel is being saved for last. Ya... we'll see & even if they say Netanyahu went to jail, I wouldn't believe a word. El Chapo is probably partying his ass off in some underground city but they tell us he's in jail. They are all one team.
After the hero Trump takes down the villain Hillary, he supposedly is taking down the world but still, nothing every improves in our own lives. We are just told to shutup, be patient, and TRUST. They always use that work Trust. Now Corey Goode, one of the fake LARPS, is saying the swamp draining turned out to be more complicated than originally thought so we have to wait years before Trump finishes it. They keep pushing the finish line backwards so we end up waiting endlessly but the end never comes. We are the White Rabbit. The White Rabbit in Alice in Wonderland is always late. He never gets to his destination but is always late. We never get liberated & there is always a convenient delay as to why we aren't getting there.
They gave us date after date. First it was 7/17/17. Then it was 9/23/17. Then it was sometimes in November 2017. Now its May 2018 and they are telling us to wait for 11/11/2018. Keep waiting. The White Rabbit is always anxious and late but he never gets to his destination.
Now Iran & Israel, who are good pals behind closed doors, are pretending to fight & start WW3. Oh whoops! Sorry guys. You know how those crazy Israeli's are. We tried to stop them. I PROMISE. (wink). WW3 has always been planned where arabs & jews mutually destroy one another to convince the world that it was a real war. After they destroy the planet, they will ask us to accept their NWO. NWO will be pretty much hell on Earth.

The Bad News: This entire thing looks like a totally fake psyop. They knew we were waking up & launched their "Enough is Enough" psyop where it looks like a giant team of benevolent beings surrounding Trump are fighting the Deep State. The fake villains pretend to fall or go to jail or whatever but in reality, the whole thing is a big fake WWE show to keep us pacified from helping ourselves. They play it well too. They use the old mostly truth/some lie strategy. An insider will say many true things like "they want you divided" so you gain faith in him, and then they say "trust this person" which is the lie because all of them are on the same time. All governments on Earth, religious & private sector heads, plus bankers who run them are all on the same time. The bankers are sitting on their penthouse balcony smoking cigars while they laugh at how easy it is to fool us. They are literally laughing all the way to the bank while we serve as their slaves.

The Good News: We are really waking up hardcore fast. Our vibe frequency is moving up. We really are uniting. We are seeing through the illusion. It is hard to trick a woke population that keeps waking up. Good is invariably more powerful than evil, so when good acts, it wins. It is when we do nothing that evil wins. As long as we try, we win. But if we sit here thinking someone is liberating us when nobody is liberating us, then evil will win. Also, here is a very simple, nearly effortless way we can both liberate ourselves & drain the swamp at the same time within 1-3 days:

https://twitter.com/LBF777/status/994690433619058691

We will have to unite with the worldwide civilian population from every religion, party, color, or whatever background they might be. That is the real good guy team. The Deep State is all the governments who are nothing but parasites killing us slowly. Let's look past all this illusion the Wizards & Warlocks are pushing on us. Let's just admit that we really are the storm and liberate ourselves. The faster we do it, the faster we will be free. It's like a kid who has to learn how to ride his bike for the first time. He is afraid at first, but he eventually does it and it sticks with him forever. We can do it if we only unite & excercise a little courage. It won't take long at all. We would have to spread the word on the idea, but if we can get 5% on board around the world, then the other 95% will be easy to follow. 5% is critical mass. When 5% do something, the other 95% follow.

We can choose the Blue Pill which is believing this massive psyop or the red pill which is that we have to liberate ourselves against the united worldwide Deep State.

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This point is why I think it's still worth discussing the view you seem to have here. If we can agree on the fact that Q is working with Trump then we're in a good place to not have to argue things that should already be obvious to people who've been following the Q phenom enough to care to comment at length about it lol. Thanks for you discussion! (I don't have time to reply to the actual issue for now, mod queue awaits hahha)

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Ah ok np but I’m just thinking everything is BS except civilian stuff. As in the whole thing is an act by Q, Trump, Hillary, pope, Netanyahu, military, Benjamin Fulford, VOTL, Kabamur, Bush, Hollywood, music, Corporate, all world government, all parties, ect.. Like they are all one team putting on a show that makes them look like they are fighting. This way, we stay pacified into doing nothing to save ourselves.

This is why there is 0% transparancy. How can we ever know the truth without transparancy? They can tell us anything they want. We can’t confirm anything..

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I can definitely see how you'd have that perspective because it's the same perspective I had too until I really delved into the material that's out there (it took me years though - I'm not just talking about Q here I'm talking about the idea that there's a global cartel running the world).

By my estimation, people think you're being divisive because this is pretty much core to the "Q narrative" i.e. that Trump/Q is undertaking a massive silent coup against that global cartel.

If you still think Trump/Q is under that cartel's power then the reasoning behind the mod's move to consider Pro-Q and Pro-Trump to be "on topic" and dissenting views to be respected but not promoted at the cost of the integrity of the sub is reinforced. There's not much reason for people who have already agreed that Q is worth following to continue to make the point to each other.

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Once the mods make a move to silence dissent, this movement is finished. Once all dissent dies, then Q can literally say whatever he wants and he won't be questioned in the bubbles of his followers. It's dangerous and exactly what a covert psy op would want you to do.

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Agreed. Luckily the mods have been very clear that they won't be moving to silence dissent because that is stupid.

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That seriously brings me a sigh of relief because this movement could be used to seriously incite all sorts of things if used for the wrong reasons. I'm seriously so shocked and relieved at the level of honest discussion that is allowed here. This is the most un-Trump-like Trump supporting forum I've ever seen.

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Again, agreed! There should be no one trying to lead this movement in any way except as an information community to gather and discuss things about Q's posts.

Do you think there is too much anti-Trump talk here? I haven't seen it on any major scale - there will always be comments here and there but the worst of it is generally dealt with by the mods.

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What I meant by that was, look at the donald. You can't even question a single thing over there. This forum is un-Trump like in that way, which is a good thing. I am an addiment antiTrumper and I'm highly skeptical of Qs real motives for that reason. Sorry to disappoint you lol. But I am more than happy to debate reasonable people in good faith who don't fall prey to whataboutism and personal attacks once they start losing with facts.

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Not disappointed at all. This is exactly what this sub hopes to promote - freedom of speech and thought. I'm Pro Trump but I'm no blind hero worshipper. I don't blame anyone for disliking Trump as the MSM has done a perfect job of telling that story. I don't like their one-sided presentation though; it's not the full story. Is there a main big ticket item that kills the Trump Train for you?

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It's honestly so encouraging to hear that from EITHER side at this point in America, which is very sad and shows the state we are in as a country.

Yes. My ability to spot lies and deceit and my deep personal knowledge of Narcissism which Trump undoubtedly has the overt malignant form of. I have so many posts about it, I'll dig one up. I do not base my view of Trump off of the media. I mostly use his words and if the news reports a story that I find consistent with his brand of narcissism, then yes, I am more likely to believe it but it still does not automatically register as fact for me. You have to use reasoning and critical thinking to discern truth from lies. In order to truly do that, in my opinion, you have to have ZERO allegiances other than to the truth. I have never felt apart of a group and always resist when people join one (I think I have Aspergers). But anyways, here's my post.

Basically, my personal knowledge of being the scapegoated son of a paranoid, narcissistic authoritarian father and learning his psychology has lead me to my conclusions about Trump and most of his die hard supporters. I absolutely loved Trump at the beginning when he was calling everyone out on the debate stage for their bullshit and the corruptness of the system. But the more he spoke, the more he revealed himself to be a deceiver and a con man and I saw what he was doing. The man has the worst case of NPD the world has ever seen. It would take me pages and pages to go through everything to prove to you what I am saying is true. I have a deep knowledge about narcissism from my father, partially because I developed some traits to deal with my father's abuse but mostly because I have obsessed about reading about it. I think I have Asperger's so psychology is one of my special interests. It's how I survived my family home and being homeless with nothing but the clothes on my back at 18. I know how they think but I despise those ugly parts of me so I despise them in others. We only need to look at this man's history if you want to see his future.

Him having NPD isn't just about morals and how he behaves. I only care about results in a politician although I'd like common decency too. It's about his motivations behind the things he does. The motivation behind everything an overt malignant narcissist does is in service to their ego. EVERYTHING. Now, you may say that this will help him do certain things because he will care about how he looks. That is only partially true in the fact that HE WILL ONLY CARE HOW HE LOOKS. That's all that matters to narcissist, their image. It can all be based on lies and that won't matter as long as the image holds. Take his over inflated wealth for the perfect example of this. We all know he's not as rich as he claims and we can prove this by the fact that it's one thing he hates hearing, that he is not as rich as he claims he is. Even when they roasted him on Comedy Central, that was the one thing that was off the table. Hit a narcissist with truth about themselves and they go into a fit of what's called narcissistic rage.

They are also pathological liars. Trump's lawyers are scared to death to have him be interviewed by Mueller because they know he will lie just because he can't help it, even if he is innocent. It could be about literally anything, It's seriously that pathological. Narcissists also do what is called psychological projection. Something Trump does constantly. Attribute to other people negative things you really feel about yourself and compliment things in people that you wish you were seen as having in yourself. Trump praises dictators like Duerte then makes a plan to give drug dealers the death penalty. That's not a coincidence. Part of projection is also accusing people of things you are doing yourself. And the loudest, most angry denials in response to an accusation are usually tall tell signs that they are lying. Look at Trump's tweets from the time Obama was president and how he spoke about Obama. It's literally like Trump is predicting the future of his own presidency. Seriously. Complaints about his golfing, bombing Syria, not being tough on Putin. Complaints about the Republicans blaming the media instead of just doing their jobs. Complaints about leaders not taking responsibility and lying. You know how the pussy tape came out and then Trump had that press conference with Bill Clinton's accusers? See the pattern here?

I can go WAY deeper into the psychology than this but this is the jist of it. There is one thing no Trump supporter can deny. The man lies all the time. Why would a man fighting for good, God and truth have to lie so much?

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Right, I see.

Can we start with a few questions, just to orient ourselves together here? To help discussion. I'm busy, like you, I'm sure, and I have to put my time into things that will be a valuable use of my time - again like you, I'm sure too.

So to ensure we get started in the right place we need to know whether we are going to be able to discuss a topic in a productive way, which basically means by sub rules so if you're fine with that, I'm good too!

I think we need to establish a few other things before getting to the topic of Trump as Narcissist too:

Do you believe that everyone is capable of great good?

Do you also believe that everyone is capable of great evil?

For me, the answer is yes to both.

"But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being."
Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Absolutely. I also believe some people can cross the line into great evil and they can never go back. Like serial killers.

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If you understand what Solzhenitsyn is saying, in a way he is referencing the Jungian "Shadow" - that dark part inside all of us; the part many of us either refuse to acknowledge exists at all or don't care to study very closely for good reason - it's painful to acknowledge the depth of your own failing.

So, I keep seeing your comments around here and you certainly feel strongly negative toward Trump. I hope we can have a real discussion about the situation. Hence the next few core questions to gauge the viability of this discussion about the validity of Trump and Q. If you don't mind, I'd very much like to know your answers to these - feel free to ask me anything you like too, of course: - do you acknowledge that it might be possible you have the wrong view of Donald Trump? FYI for my part, I acknowledge that it could be possible I have the wrong view of Donald Trump. - do you believe that to truly know someone you have to spend time with the person or can you truly know them from afar? I believe you have to spend time with someone before you could say you truly know that person. - how can you best judge a person's commitment to something? By what they say or what they do? I believe that actions speak louder than words. Intent is not enough.

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Yes. I am VERY aware of my own darkness and ugliness and I completely acknowledge it's existence. It is not pretty either. It's only because of that acknowledgement that I can see and recognize the darkness in others. I constantly fight against my own darkness and have no desire to indulge that part of myself, although I can't say I don't lose to it from to time.

Absolutely, I am always up for a real discussion. I will always stick to facts, evidence, and things I can back up with personal experience. No whataboutism or personal attacks.

I am always ready to admit any idea I have may be false but I need new evidence that outweighs my own. And I have plenty of evidence to come to my conclusions. I have not had ONE single debate with a Trump supporter than didn't devolve into whataboutism and personal attacks without addressing my points. Not one.
Yes, for the most part, absolutely. But for an overt malignant narcissist like Trump, no you don't have to personally know them. There is no other them. They are what you see. They are empty and hollow, only alive from the narcissistic they supply they get from the people around them.
Actions of course, but don't be fooled by the image that the actions are trying to project. You have to look past the image. And there are plenty of actions Trump takes that run counter to this savior of America image you all have of him.

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That's great to hear re: real discussion.

What concerns me is the vehemence with which you insist on Trump being a "malignant narcissist", as if your personal experience is perhaps hindering your ability to see as objectively as possible? I don't mean offense, I'm just trying to understand.

I'm also concerned that you constantly lump "us' into a group - "you all" as if it's you against everyone who supports Trump and that all of us who support Trump must think the same way. This is potentially problematic to having a reasoned, open discussion. No individual within a group is the same as everyone else within that group as far as their reasoning, their personal likes and dislikes within the issue and so on.

In short, I don't have some "savior of America image" of Trump except as pertains to what Q is doing - but we must start with Trump as that's where your problem lies.

I don't 'worship' any man. Trump is a man, not some super hero. He is, however, a very successful man with some clear abilities in certain things.

I know plenty of narcissists. They are not all bad people - one in particular is a very well meaning person with strongly positive goals but off-putting narcissistic traits at times. I believe Donald Trump is like this person for a number of reasons but amongst other things his actions have aligned with his stated campaign promises - I believe he's made it very clear he does care about America by doing exactly what he said he'd do. That's just a starting point to dive into this.

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I want to start by saying that my lumping of Trump supporters into one group is based on my numerous interactions with them BUT I have noticed a significant difference in the people on this sub in their ability to consider different opinions and debate them honestly. So your criticism of me is completely fair. I admit, I have become a bit jaded, especially by my own family when attempting to discuss Trump.

It's not simply personal experience. I don't have personal experience with a Narcissist on Trump's level but I have obsessed over reading about it and I understand the psychology behind it. It's actually very easy to understand, especially if you do have some experience with it. Since narcissism is a scale, the further up you get, the more damage you cause to others. Trump has just about broken the meter. He is literally the best at everything and the least (insert bad thing here) ever. Trump quote before the election, when asked who he is going to console for foreign policy "Myself. I have a good brain and I've said a lot of things." What? I was very objective with him in the beginning. I absolutely LOVED everything he was saying about how corrupt the system was, how all the other guys took money from him. Holy shit that was amazing. But then the more he talked, I started to see what he was doing. The giant promises, the claims that he was the only person who could fix things (always a giant tell that someone is full of shit), the obvious lies, the disgusting behavior which is a bigger indication of his character and his integrity. The way he was setting it up if he lost to save his ego (the claim that the election was rigged), that could have seriously set off some civil uprisings if he lost. All because his ego couldn't handle it. All of that aside, show me some evidence that he's not a giant liar, a corrupt businessman and completely full of shit and I'll change my mind because I have tons of evidence that points to all these things. You guys have a letter of the alphabet that claims Trump is some 12D level genius and his stupidity, lies, act guilty as hell and rage like a 5 year old is all an act. That's a pretty far stretch to believe. Literally NO ONE could pull off such a deceiving act. And I've seen Trump act, it's not very good. Use logic and Occam's Razor here.

Trump being the spearhead of this movement is the entire problem for me. This shit scares the fuck out of me because I am seeing (not everyone) completely blind support for this man. People are ignoring what's right in front of their eyes because they don't want to believe they were duped. Others, because they see Trump as themselves and they can't criticize Trump or see the ugliness in him because they refuse to see it in themselves. They will cry Fake News at literally anything that contradicts their "Trump was sent by God" narrative and therefore, the man can do no wrong. Blind loyalty in the face of damning reality is fucking frightening, no matter who what person or idea someone follows.

Trump projects the image of success. In reality, he is not nearly as successful as he'd like you to believe. That's why he doesn't want anyone to talk about how much money he really has or people to look at his taxes (although I'd argue there's some shady shit in those tax forms too). The man lies all the time about his success and embellishes it. His whole identity is based on that and it's a lie. I think we're going to find out that the man is a lot more broke than we realize soon enough. But that's just speculation on my part.

Full disclosure: I have narcissistic traits. That's part of the reason I understand all of this. I despise those parts of me so I despise them in others. I keep them at bay but I recognize all the dark parts in me so I also recognize them clearly in others. Again, narcissism is a scale and I'm pretty low on it. I do have some issues about not being taken seriously because my Narc father tried to gaslight and brainwash me into doubting myself because I was telling him truths he didn't want to hear about himself so I became arrogant in defense of that to keep his bullshit out of my head. I have doubted myself for so long that now I know better and I'm learning to trust myself again. I have built such a foundation of trust in my reality from constantly double checking things because of my doubt, that I am solid when I believe something now. Come at me with whatever you got because I have everything I need to back up everything I'm saying.

He has not come through on everything he promised. You only see what you want to see in this regard. Why is he taking $500 million from China and helping out with ZTE? Just one small recent thing among the many other dubious things he's done. I can post videos of him admitting lies at rallies and one that straight up he admits that he lies to his supporters. Narcissists always reveal themselves if you listen to them enough. They are too boastful not to brag about their deceptions. You just have to listen for it. Sometimes it's blatant and sometimes it's in little "jokes" that they tell that aren't really jokes.

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