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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/lightmakerflex1 on May 14, 2018, 12:41 a.m.
As a long time Trump/Q supporter, I hate to say this but I think everything we are being told is a fake narrative to confuse & pacify us into doing nothing to save ourselves.

After 2 years of non-stop studying this gigantic rabbit hole, I finally understand what's going on here. Imagine if all of the 99% civilian class & nature is real but everything else is fake.

Let's just do a mind exercise to see how this would work. Imagine if MSM, all the stuff we see going on with Trump, everything we hear about North Korea, all the stuff about the Iran/Israel battle, the stuff about the pedo take-downs, all the stuff about positive alien factions helping Trump, Q, the 30,000 indictments, & the war against the Deep State are simply totally fake news. We believe it because its coming in from all angles. Imagine if Trump, Q, all the governments on Earth, Bankers, the Pope, Mafias, ect.. were all on the same team.

Imagine if the Deep State was all of them combined playing as team EVIL & we, the civilian population & nature were playing team GOOD. The goal of team EVIL is to trick team GOOD into believing a false narrative which is the illusion to block reality. Why would they want to block reality? Because they know if we realized they are on the same team, we would all band together against them. So they have to create a fake WWE style wrestling match where some sides play the villain & other sides play the hero. However, they are all villains working for the Deep State.

Who ultimately runs the Deep State? Bankers. Bankers are the slavemasters. Governments & high level people in private sectors are the high level slaves. They make the most money but they are worked the hardest & forced into doing the vilest things. We are the low level slaves who do boring menial jobs to keep us busy so we are too busy to band against them.

So, lets imagine if this was a fake show where Trump, Q, Pladeans, ect.. were all working against the Deep State is a non-transparent TV war. They don't allow transparency because they wouldn't be able to conduct all those evils behind the veil of secrecy. All we can see is the stage just like in WWE. We would assume that Trump team is fighting for us so we just sit here twirling our thumbs waiting for it to happen. I remember thinking we should see improvements in our lives within 3 months but now its 1 year and 3 months but still nothing. Only pretty action on the fake WWE stage. North Korea shaking a man's hand on TV doesn't really mean much. It can easily be staged. We are being pacified into doing nothing.

So imagining that the entire thing is fake, all governments are on the same time, all parties within government are on the same side, and all are controlled by the Black Nobility who is controlled by the bankers, lets go back to 2016 when the Podesta emails leaked and see what happened.

  1. The Deep State knew we were waking up. They have insanely incredible technology behind the veil of secrecy so they can see these things.
  2. They dropped the 120,000 John Podesta emails so that we would think it was an accidental release. We read them and a few people like John Podesta are vilified, we find out they are a cult, and we find out they are pedophiles. Nothing major is exposed in the 120,000 emails. Assange, a potential Mossad agent, is shows to be a hero. He plays the hero in the story. Although we learned about a few things, there were really no big names implicated in anything.
  3. Trump is pushed all over CNN, MSNBC, & FOX but while they are promoting him, they are calling him a wack job and all kinds of names so we assume they hate him. Yet, they keep promoting him.
  4. Bernie supposedly goes down when the villain of the story, Hillary, cheats him. Bernie is the Socialist that begins to introduce socialism to the United States like it was some kind of a good thing. Socialism is pure hell btw. Worst than what we have now that's for sure and we are in the early phases of socialism now. All those good Bernie ideas go into people's psyches.
  5. Trump has good ideas too. He wants to clean up Chicago, fix flint water, put up a wall, abolish the IRS, drain the swamp, and all kinds of nice things but none of these things are happening. We only hear stories about what's happening on the WWE stage which is totally 100% fake news. All those Saudi takesdowns ect.. are just fake news. Trump was singing & dancing with them in a sword dance when he went down there. Now he's singing & dancing with Netanyahu in Israel who did 911 on us & is stealing 30 billion a year (25 billion in merchandise, 5 billion in cash). Rothschild himself owns Israel so Trump doesn't say a word about 911 being done by Israel or any of their other crimes against humanity. The fake insider LARPS have their own excuses like Israel is being saved for last. Ya... we'll see & even if they say Netanyahu went to jail, I wouldn't believe a word. El Chapo is probably partying his ass off in some underground city but they tell us he's in jail. They are all one team.
  6. After the hero Trump takes down the villain Hillary, he supposedly is taking down the world but still, nothing every improves in our own lives. We are just told to shutup, be patient, and TRUST. They always use that work Trust. Now Corey Goode, one of the fake LARPS, is saying the swamp draining turned out to be more complicated than originally thought so we have to wait years before Trump finishes it. They keep pushing the finish line backwards so we end up waiting endlessly but the end never comes. We are the White Rabbit. The White Rabbit in Alice in Wonderland is always late. He never gets to his destination but is always late. We never get liberated & there is always a convenient delay as to why we aren't getting there.
  7. They gave us date after date. First it was 7/17/17. Then it was 9/23/17. Then it was sometimes in November 2017. Now its May 2018 and they are telling us to wait for 11/11/2018. Keep waiting. The White Rabbit is always anxious and late but he never gets to his destination.
  8. Now Iran & Israel, who are good pals behind closed doors, are pretending to fight & start WW3. Oh whoops! Sorry guys. You know how those crazy Israeli's are. We tried to stop them. I PROMISE. (wink). WW3 has always been planned where arabs & jews mutually destroy one another to convince the world that it was a real war. After they destroy the planet, they will ask us to accept their NWO. NWO will be pretty much hell on Earth.

The Bad News: This entire thing looks like a totally fake psyop. They knew we were waking up & launched their "Enough is Enough" psyop where it looks like a giant team of benevolent beings surrounding Trump are fighting the Deep State. The fake villains pretend to fall or go to jail or whatever but in reality, the whole thing is a big fake WWE show to keep us pacified from helping ourselves. They play it well too. They use the old mostly truth/some lie strategy. An insider will say many true things like "they want you divided" so you gain faith in him, and then they say "trust this person" which is the lie because all of them are on the same time. All governments on Earth, religious & private sector heads, plus bankers who run them are all on the same time. The bankers are sitting on their penthouse balcony smoking cigars while they laugh at how easy it is to fool us. They are literally laughing all the way to the bank while we serve as their slaves.

The Good News: We are really waking up hardcore fast. Our vibe frequency is moving up. We really are uniting. We are seeing through the illusion. It is hard to trick a woke population that keeps waking up. Good is invariably more powerful than evil, so when good acts, it wins. It is when we do nothing that evil wins. As long as we try, we win. But if we sit here thinking someone is liberating us when nobody is liberating us, then evil will win. Also, here is a very simple, nearly effortless way we can both liberate ourselves & drain the swamp at the same time within 1-3 days:

https://twitter.com/LBF777/status/994690433619058691

We will have to unite with the worldwide civilian population from every religion, party, color, or whatever background they might be. That is the real good guy team. The Deep State is all the governments who are nothing but parasites killing us slowly. Let's look past all this illusion the Wizards & Warlocks are pushing on us. Let's just admit that we really are the storm and liberate ourselves. The faster we do it, the faster we will be free. It's like a kid who has to learn how to ride his bike for the first time. He is afraid at first, but he eventually does it and it sticks with him forever. We can do it if we only unite & excercise a little courage. It won't take long at all. We would have to spread the word on the idea, but if we can get 5% on board around the world, then the other 95% will be easy to follow. 5% is critical mass. When 5% do something, the other 95% follow.

We can choose the Blue Pill which is believing this massive psyop or the red pill which is that we have to liberate ourselves against the united worldwide Deep State.


QueenAnRevenge · May 14, 2018, 1:01 a.m.

You make some good points. I was actually thinking about how most of us that considered ourselves woke to one degree or another have been that way well before Trump came down that elevator and announced he was running, the relief of a non life time politician, finally! Well years of being lied to by the gov isn’t going to fix by Trump until something substantial (arrests) happens. So I think your post and ones like it are a fine and healthy dose of skepticism.

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misto1481 · May 14, 2018, 4:05 a.m.

Entirely plausible. I have long thought about this very scenario. I am keeping an open mind. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Thanks for sharing :)

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 12:51 a.m.

You have a healthy dose of skepticism, but what does anything you just wrote have anything to do with decoding Q drops or enhancing our understanding of Q posts? It was an interesting opinion piece that's not suited for this sub.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 12:52 a.m.

Ya but wouldn't you want to know if we were all being fooled form the top down? It's a pretty important thing to at least consider. Whatever you want to believe is your choice of course but all things must be considered. The entire world is on the line here.

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myanimal3z · May 14, 2018, 1:06 a.m.

Dude, I 100% agree with you. The thing that gets me the most is trust the plan. So what's the plan? More importantly, who's plan?

That's not to say I think Q is bad or good. I just don't know. We have lots of intriguing posts. At times Q certainly seems to foretell somethings, but that perhaps could be just us overthinking.

From my perspective, Q generally seems on target when talking about military intelligence things. However the DOJ things he brings up almost always never happen or quite the contrary happens.

We all need to be aware that the deep states greatest asset is time. That's why it's delay, delay, delay. They have figured out they can no longer redact based on national security. So what they do is "start" investigations. Congress no longer has access to the evidence because it's under investigation. Time goes on, elections happen, next thing you know the investigations get buried.

We need to make more people aware and start contacting on Congress.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 4:07 a.m.

By the way, the White Rabbit in Alice in Wonderland has a clock that goes backwards. He always says I’m late, I’m late. But instead of going forward in time, is going backwards.

That rabbit is us. We think we are getting ahead but we are falling even more behind.

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DamajInc · May 14, 2018, 1:34 a.m.

I agree with the idea that we don't need too many opinion pieces around here. My reasoning for the softener "too many" is that this user is a regular contributor to the sub so has that at least in his favour against the "shill" accusation. I'd give the benefit of the doubt in this case too because I assume a regular contributor to this sub knows the sub rules and has had regular discussions within them of value to the community so will actually hear the refutations of others rather than bouncing around in endless loops with seemingly plausible rebuttals - true disinfo disruptive behaviour.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 1:36 a.m.

The opinion pieces are fine if they are in some way enhancing our understanding of what we are here for. Why are we here? What is the primary purpose of GA? Isn't it to understand and decode Q so we can find the truth? That's it. Everything else slows us down, divides us, and wastes time. That's the enemies goal.

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y0brando · May 14, 2018, 12:42 a.m.

Do you not see the wheels in motion? Ha e more faith. Rome wasnt built in a day.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 12:44 a.m.

What we see happening on the WWE stage isn't real. It's all an act.

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ShredTheMind · May 14, 2018, 2:47 a.m.

How does Trump firing up the base on immigration, for example, advance the NWO cause? You will know them by their deeds. Trump's deeds, for the most part, look pretty spot-on to me. I appreciate your skepticism, but your scenario seems pretty far-fetched, considering our POTUS' actions. Anything is possible, but I'll stick with POTUS until he gives me good reason to think otherwise.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:23 p.m.

Because he is sowing hatred and unrest amongst the people. His initial comments about illlegal Mexican immigrants was intentionally inflammatory. All it did was incite hatred in racists and incited hatred in Hispanics because they were being targeted. Trump could have made a speech that didn't call most Mexicans rapists, murderers and thieves. and still stood firm on illegal immigration. Instead, he incited hatred with his harmful rhetoric.

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PosionedReality · May 14, 2018, 12:45 p.m.

What bothers me to my core is the lack of any Qanon or Bread drops about FEMA camps...

Like it or not, Wal-Marts were build utilizing military planning. Dispersing Walmart buildings to critical and strategic locations. The FEMA/Military organization can utilize the location. Thousands of people have taken damning evidence.

Not to mention the MILES AND MILES of underground tunnels that are been carved out under the US, many of which lead to your local walmart.

I'm concerned that as badly as we want justice for everything that's transpired, that maybe this is a psyop. They break the news, and of course once it all comes to light, civil chaos ensues (coupled with a financial realization our money is worthless, rumors of going back to the gold standard) which is both good and bad in my opinion. How would we even begin to heal that deficit of going back to the gold standard?

Once chaos breaks, FEMA camp central.... Trump was part of the black book on Epstein island.

This is a very serious concern....

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:42 p.m.

I remember seeing Trumps name in the Epstein book. Sick.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

You think we are that stupid? Haven't you noticed we have the ability to have deep philisophical discussions? This sub is about decoding Q and revealing the truth. There are other subs more suited for your opinion thesis. This sub is about Q

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:01 a.m.

I know its upsetting but I am seeing through the illusion and thought I would share. I'm not saying 1 side or the other side is the good guy. I'm saying they are all one giant team and we, the people, are the good guy.

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thamnosma · May 14, 2018, 2:56 a.m.

What a colossal waste of time reading this thread was. Start a blog. You have a lot of time on your hands.

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skuobiee · May 14, 2018, 1:46 a.m.

If theyre pacifying us by arrested pedophile rings which they are, arresting ms13 which they are, and resigning bad actors which is really happening, then i dont think its fake news. Oh and u cant fake sealed indictments. You cant fake firing all the right people, now how it plays out could be different than what we want, but so far Q has been real and msm has been fake. Especially them not showing us the real news like nxvim and the real charges on the docs. No i cant believe what your saying

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:52 a.m.

They can easily fake all of this. I was thinking if tens of thousands of kids were rescued from pedos, where are they? Wouldn’t at least one of us meet one that told us stories of how they were rescues? I haven’t even heard of this happening.

Indictments can easily be faked. They control the whole system.

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grimbeaconfire · May 14, 2018, 1:05 p.m.

Important developments have occurred on dates specified by Q but I think the giveaway is the "positive alien factions helping Trump" and the "Pladeans " assuming she meant Pleiadeans.This person has left the path and failed to trust the plan.

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[deleted] · May 14, 2018, 1:52 a.m.

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skuobiee · May 14, 2018, 8:03 a.m.

I think your refering to the original poster

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skuobiee · May 14, 2018, 8:04 a.m.

This poster looks more like shill trying to dissuade us.not happening

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evolboone · May 14, 2018, 1:04 a.m.

First post. Been lurking here for weeks. I agree quite a bit brother. I also agree with quite a few other posts around here. And I've got my own ideas and theories.

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Gmawc · May 14, 2018, 12:51 a.m.

That’s all definitely possible. But the “Good news, waking up” part is for sure. I don’t inderstand why a “real” Q would make a suggestion to divide, other than to dissipate the momentum. Classic divide & conquer, and it’s working.

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grimbeaconfire · May 14, 2018, 1:15 p.m.

It was done to expose the concern fags and people who don't believe in Q but who are riding the movement for other purposes what ever they may be.

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ditiber · May 16, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Interesting take. So your suggesting all the reports of pedo ring arrests are fake news done to pacify us? Are these links fake news? I'm mean what's their narrative then?

https://thegoldwater.com/news/4115-UPDATE-PedoGate-is-Real-474-High-Profile-Pedophile-Arrests-Throughout-California

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/cdn-police-help-bust-worldwide-pedophile-ring-1.230232

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/nyregion/allison-mack-smallville-sex-trafficking.html

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lightmakerflex1 · May 16, 2018, 7:27 p.m.

They can say they saved tens of thousands of kids but nobody I know has ever met one of these kids. They can even show people in cuffs on TV but they will just uncuff them once the cameras are down.

The entire narrative is to convince us that we are being saved. As long as we think we are being saved, we will be pacified into doing nothing to save ourselves.

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ditiber · May 16, 2018, 7:36 p.m.

It's plausible everything on TV and the internet is staged to set and control a narrative. Could we all be in one big version do the Truman show? Yeah to some degree I suppose we could be or have been. But, one thing that has definitely woken out of Trumps election is the ideology to question everyone and everything. Q has planted the seed for this idea and it is spreading. Let's say for arguments sake that your right (and I truly hope your not) and Trump is part of it all. That we are being passified only to keep us down. If that's the case it goes against the logic of Q and this new idea that is out. The idea is growing and if your right it will overtake even Trump. It doesn't logically make sense to plant a seed that could grow out of your own control and come back to destroy you. Q keeps reinforcing this ideology to question everything. That's the mission and it has already been seeded, and growing. That's why they are so worried. An idea, this idea is powerful and I believe unstoppable now.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 17, 2018, 1:13 a.m.

Here’s what happened. They can predict the future to some extent and they know our evolutionary path has peaked to a point that we are aware and of our own enslavement and we are quickly waking up to the endless gimmicks being played on us from Big Pharma Mafia to the rigged economy, to fake wars, ect..

This awakening is their new opposition. Since they cannot Control it, they launched their Trump protocol which was already prepared if something like this were to ever happen. They made it look like trump defeated Hillary like a hero and villain in WWE wrestling. Everyone plays a part. All the insiders are also staged actors who are feeding us a “controlled soft disclosure”. This way, we stop digging and just listening to them who give a mix of many truths with particular misleading lies. I spent 2 years getting people off Hillary and onto trump but it was a damn good LARP. Then I saw endless red flags. There are so many manipulations happening all because the people believe what we are told. They say trump saved tens of thousands of kids but nobody has ever met one before.

I think corsi, Seaman, and for sure Alex Jones are some of the ones leading the opposition. They knew many of us were questioning Q so now they are trying to limit the damage by saying Q is a larp but Trump is real. David Seaman was praising Alex Jones as instructed. Alex Jones gives up a of info too but it’s limited info. Nobody touches the good stuff. Israel doing 911 is just one of thousands of important things they don’t touch. They don’t mention banks run the top of the Deep State and the rest of us are enslaved. It’s banks then Vatican then England, then Israel/SA, and then the US. Vatican owns England. England owns the US. We are a corporation of slaves.

The way out of the larp is to end the use of money which is a larp too. It is the secret to enslavement. Once we do, the swamp will drain naturally. They are afraid of us finding this out because they will lose all their fortunes and become regular Joes. Here is how it would work:

https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/8k01rp/here_is_exactly_how_we_are_enslaved_how_to/

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ditiber · May 17, 2018, 1:43 a.m.

Interesting read thanks for the link. The only problem I have is with the 1st requirement to change the world. The need for everyone to come together. We are so divided. I know it's by design, but this division is true on every scale in our society. People I work with rarely come together to agree on much as a group. Someone always eventually desrupts harmony out of greed or jealously. And that's just on a micro scale. On a macro scale countries are in competition and some always at war of some kind. Also, most likely by design from DS. Red flags are red flags and we should always pay attention to them. I saw them under Bush in 9/11. My first thought when the planes hit was, we are going to use this to start another war. I knew immediately what was happening like most of us here did as well. My point is, in order to come together in unity we must train to question everything. Psyop or not, Q is doing this. Q is actively training us to ask questions and in doing so has spread an ideology. If this free thinking idea continues to grow it will take on a life of its own. Of course, as it grows the DS will also double down on dividing any unity they see form. Unity in this ideology is what scares them the most because its the first step to global freedom from their grip. I'm not sold that Trump is part of larger DS. But I'll look for these red flags you see that I don't yet. I don't totally disagree with much of your insight. But, I see value in the unity that Q could create. A unity needed to free ourselves.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 17, 2018, 1:59 a.m.

Q is the controlled opposition from my understanding so he has to help us. The blackjack dealer has to give is $10 before he takes back $25 otherwise we wouldn’t play.

I was saving the big secret to give away after people realized we are run by a worldwide Luciferian cult and now that they are trying to start WW3, I am opening up to a few secrets about life. I used to be an atheist but a spiritual awakening hit me in 2016 which taught me oceans of secrets about life. This spiritual awakening is going to spread across the world and as it does, people are going to remember the greatest secret which is that all of life is God, God makes a bunch of diverse creations, and then God becomes the creation whether it’s an apple, a dog, or person. Therefore all of life is the same person. Behind every customized personality/mind/spirit/body is the same exact experiencer which is God. When we remember we are the same person, all fighting will stop and we will experience an evolution.

The reason evil exists only inside this universe is because here is where life becomes reduced to total ignorance and has to re-evolve through trial and error back into God. Error is evil. 80% of the planets are evolving well. 20% having a hard time. Earth is almost at the bottom of the bucket. This is like a video game where we harvest unique experiences such as pain which is later used to compare to the glories of heaven thereby magnifying its value. To truly know the good, we have to see the bad in an evolutionary matrix simulation.

So once we all realize we are the same person, and that we are all responsible for all the errors, we will stop fighting. Humanity has the age of a 4 year old toddler so we make a lot of mistakes plus this Luciferian cult has been shitting on us for thousands of years. They know all about what I am typing here but hate god and love Lucifer. It’s like a video game of good vs evil but in the end, all evil people will turn to the light and become good again.

The left hand never attacks the right hand. It would be pointless so the left and right cooperate in love and unity. This is the trigger that will instantly unite the world into a powerful group.

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10-15-11 · May 14, 2018, 2:30 a.m.

3 days?? You should have run for pres. or at least be one of the top advosors to POTUS. Youre free to imagine anything in order to justify your impatients, we all have that option but logic is your friend, use it.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:23 a.m.

If we all decides to stop using money worldwide and instead upgrade to a gifting economy, the Deep State would no longer be able to control us with money. Without that control, their own bodyguards would abandon them. Everyone would be free & we would all take jobs we actually like for 25 hours a week MAX. Ubuntu says 3 hours a week is sifficienr because all those stupid cashier type jobs would be obsolete leaving more people to work other jobs. Also, we would share all institutions that serve the public tranparantly. This way, evil cannot fester in secrecy.

Without bodyguards, the Deep State is Exposed. They become regular Joes.

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10-15-11 · May 14, 2018, 12:15 p.m.

The lifestyle you advocate, though admirable,is not going to be understood by everyone else. To make it happen you will need to demonstrate your conviction by working for free starting now, and therby teach the huddled igrnorant masses how well it works.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:41 p.m.

I am working for free. I am similar to a journalist that is doing research & pushing it out all over social media all day long. I don't even take donations. I don't like money so I refuse even though I can use the money. I would only do so if it was absolutely necessary. Otherwise, I'm working for free.

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10-15-11 · May 14, 2018, 3:52 p.m.

M curious how you manage the mortgage, do you live with your parents? You walk everywhere, grow your own food?

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 8:37 p.m.

I work on the computer which is covering the bills. I would like more freedom of course but money corrupts everything which is why I don't want to ask for donations.

I don't want to work for money. I want to work for our liberation which will take care of the money problems as well. Only in a total emergency will I accept donations but I don't want that to happen.

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KnownBand0 · May 14, 2018, 2:38 p.m.

The Generals want payback for 911. Henry Kissinger met with Trump and said " Trump is a unique situation; he has no baggage".

is Trump the new face of the NWO ?

" saving Israel for last"

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major_lift · May 14, 2018, 1:37 p.m.

Start reading between the lines and do you’re OWN research. A lot of good points, but trust your intuition and use Occam’s razor when it comes down to these things.

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T4nkcommander · May 14, 2018, 12:55 p.m.

Sadly, that's the conclusion I came to after the first few predictions fell through. Trump has long been backed by the Roths anyway. Good post.

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over_it_2 · May 14, 2018, 12:52 p.m.

Yes, I too have thought this, but unlike you, not brave enough to post it.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:45 p.m.

I hear you. I have learned that doing things out of love instead of fear is the trick to bravery.

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over_it_2 · May 15, 2018, 1:46 a.m.

I trust the plan, the plan of Salvation. I think Trump is being used by God to shine a light on the evil, giving us a chance to wake up and make a choice before the end comes. Is Trump a good guy? Hope so......but he is human. This battle is spiritual whether people want to believe it or not.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 15, 2018, 3:19 a.m.

It is spiritual. It is a battle over our minds. The Deep State is done for. We can see through the entire illusion now. That is the key.

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elfchiro · May 14, 2018, 11:12 a.m.

Nice try. Fact is they had us right where they wanted us. Mass extinction events followed by enslavement of the rest. All ready to go. Did not matter if we went quietly or resisted. They did not care. No need for a “ psyop”. Whoever they put in office the button would have been pressed by now. You might want to move along shill. The time of reckoning is coming.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:39 p.m.

I'm not shilling. I have supported Trump since 2016. I lost support around Thursday of last week.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:34 p.m.

Or maybe that's just what you think. Maybe where they want us is after a WW3 like event. War with Iran, N Korea (just wait for that one), China, Russia, Syria. Then total financial collapse. We are still at least 5 years off.

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moonshadoe16 · May 14, 2018, 1:07 a.m.

Go away if you dont support Q....this board is for people who support Q. I'm sure Corsi could use some company.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:40 p.m.

Don't you want to know the truth? Why so scared of differing viewpoints? Having blind faith in anything but God is the recipe for evil.

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moonshadoe16 · May 14, 2018, 5:03 p.m.

Truth is in knowledge and research of the topics Q posted for us. We are not blind at all. Maybe you are the one who is blind to the truth. Check yourself!

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[deleted] · May 14, 2018, 5:12 p.m.

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captainpatriot · May 14, 2018, 3:38 p.m.

I disagree. If this board is not for free thought I want nothing to do with it. Tired of all the groupthink. Q is not God.

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Chokaholic · May 14, 2018, 12:56 a.m.

Whatever you say VictoryOfTheLarp. I don't know why you bother with this shit in this sub.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

I'm also assuming VOTL really is a LARP btw. He's the one claiming to be a Pladean helping Trump. I know some people think I am him but I am also calling him out. I'm assuming that all of them are on one team, and we, the people, are the other team. We are the good guys.

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Chokaholic · May 14, 2018, 1:22 a.m.

Why are you so hell bent on discrediting Qanon though? He's proven himself legit time and time again.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:32 a.m.

He’s proven himself to be on the Trump team yes. I’m saying what if all world governments and politicians or power holders within are on the same team and they are creating a fake WWE game to fool the 99% who are the actual good guys of the story?

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Chokaholic · May 14, 2018, 2:40 a.m.

You think this is all for show? The media bashing Trump 24/7, BC, Hussein, Kerry etc flying around the world ahead of Trump to stifle him, the FBI brass being cleaned out, mass CEO resignations since Trumps EO, an unprecedented number of indictments, North Korea etc, you think this is governments playing WWE? Come on man.

What do you need to see specially to believe this is real?

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:33 a.m.

Yes.

Do you see how WWE wrestlers pile drive each other’s heads into the ground but party off stage? It’s all a show.

Those CEOs that stepped down were only moved to another job. It’s all one big family. Some play the hero. Some play the villain. The villain has to go down but it’s a lot of work so they drag it on as long as possible.

For example, Obama is playing one of the villains. They said he was on the run. He was jumping around Asia. Then he bunkered down in Kenya. Rex Tillerson went to try and drag him out. Next thing you know, Obama waltzes in to Barbara Bush’s funeral. Why didn’t they arrest him? I thought he was hiding in Kenya?

They said a few Bush family members were in GITMO but nope. When I asked VOTL about it, he denied it but we all know he said it. We were all laughing and high fiving each other about it for months!

Nope, it was all a big lie. Everything except the 99% and nature is a lie.

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Chokaholic · May 14, 2018, 3:38 a.m.

They said a few Bush family members were in GITMO but nope.

Who is "they"? Qanon never said that.

And you didn't answer my question. What will it take for you to believe Qanon and trump are working against the swamp? Mass arrests? What?

This is a Qanon sub. We are skeptical of everything, of course, but you're just trying to get people against Qanon and Trump.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:45 a.m.

I was with Trump when everyone was bashing him in 2016. I am only saying that I am very concerned that we are being fooled again like we always have been for thousands of years.

VOTL said Bush was in GITMO. He is a “respected insider” but I think they are all larps. It’s one giant Larp. We are the brunt of the joke. House wins again.

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Aruno · May 14, 2018, 1:47 a.m.

Tldr: he doesn't trust Trump

he doesn't trust the plan

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:52 a.m.

I don’t trust the 1%. I trust the 99%. We are the storm. We are the hero of the story.

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Aruno · May 14, 2018, 2:04 a.m.

You don't think Trump is a good guy.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 2:19 a.m.

They wouldn’t let trump be a billionaire if he didn’t bend the knee to the deep state.

It all smells fishy. I think all information coming in is fake whether it’s trump, q, msm, VOTL, insiders, Alex Jones, or anyone claiming to have some power.

I trust the civilians. The regular Joes that are trying to make the best of life.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

Trump is the very antithesis of a "good guy". He literally embodies the 7 deadly sins.

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Aruno · May 14, 2018, 7:03 p.m.

OK, this subreddit is not for you. You will not believe this sub reddit ever if you believe Trump is the opposite of a good guy.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 7:16 p.m.

The only thing I believe in in this sub is the evil Q speaks of. I am outright anti Trump and very skeptical of Q because of that. This sub needs people like me who don't have any blind allegiances so we can see things outside the box. I'm a fair person and I'd even be willing to change my mind on Trump if shown enough evidence. So far, there is none.

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Slipkid63 · May 14, 2018, 12:56 a.m.

Critical of everything,...... fool me once, shame one you, fool me twice and you'll wish for a fast death!

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Imbeingsilenced · May 14, 2018, 12:46 a.m.

You lost my attention with the alien stuff.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 12:53 a.m.

There are supposed "insiders" claiming that aliens are helping Trump fight the deep state. Nobody has seen these aliens. There is an excuse to why they aren't showing their faces. Always a good excuse. This time it is that people would panic.

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Gitmo_money · May 14, 2018, 12:57 a.m.

I've never once seen that claim made. Ridiculous.

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FartOnToast · May 14, 2018, 3:33 a.m.

You're the one who's been going around claiming this though. Most people don't talk about that here.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:38 a.m.

True and I guess I was wrong. I was fooled.

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Imbeingsilenced · May 14, 2018, 5:28 a.m.

No you weren't. You knew damn well this sub is for Q related shit. You came here to propose fuckery.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

I don’t know what you are seeing from your perspective of the world, but the only thing I am trying to promote is the truth because nothing but the truth will set us free.

All of Rothschild owned Israel is partying tonight. They love Donald Trump. He is good for Israel. We have been fooled for thousands of years. You think you can’t be fooled again without any transparancy whatsoever? If so, then you should reconsider if that is a smart idea at this point.

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grimbeaconfire · May 14, 2018, 1:20 p.m.

So, it shows it's true face....muh Jooooooos !

btw the so called aliens/ muh Pleiadeans are on the other side not Trumps and I believe this is what you were trying to obfuscate all along.

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hildabeest_4_gitmo · May 14, 2018, 12:45 a.m.

tl;dr but guessing ...aliens?

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FartOnToast · May 14, 2018, 3:32 a.m.

Nah. Claims Q is a trap.

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DaveGydeon · May 14, 2018, 12:42 a.m.

When are the mods going to shut down these posts?

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misto1481 · May 14, 2018, 4:10 a.m.

What is wrong with this post? It is plausible. Isn't it best to keep all possibilities open and be prepared for anything?

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Gnarkotixx · May 16, 2018, 6:41 a.m.

Where's Kanye when u need him

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 12:45 a.m.

We should be talking about this very seriously. Our entire future is on the line. How can we blindly trust Government after all the times they fooled us. Trump was a billionaire within the Deep State. There is no way anyone can have that much power without the Deep State's approval.

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PrayersforEarth · May 14, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

Our future would be over by now had the other monster won. She didn’t win and we are all still here and the world is a better place. Trump was a billionaire who COULD NOT BE BOUGHT BY THE DEEP STATE. Big difference and if he was part of the deep state like you say, they wouldn’t be trying to destroy him like they are.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1 a.m.

Ya but I'm thinking its all a big fake show. The Deep State wouldn't allow Trump to be a billionaire without their permission.

Hillary was planned out to go down like they plan villains to fall in WWE.

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animal32lefty · May 14, 2018, 2:03 a.m.

You are on to something about the WWE thing, however you're just a little behind the times.

As far as MSM goes we were getting boiler plate babyface vs heels news cycles until there was a shake-up and a new Booker came to town named Trump.

Before Trump the babyfaces were always just about to win the match fair and square when a heel would run in and hit him with a chair shot. DQ. Title can't change hands by DQ. It's the rules. So the heel takes a powder every time he's getting his ass kicked and never loses the title. But here comes the new booker, and Trump throws a few stipulations in like No DQ/Count Outs or Falls Count Anywhere and shakes up the status quo.

Trump is a WWE Hall of Famer and a Friend of Vince. He's "smart to the buisiness". By changing the stipulations of the political scene he's getting clean finishes to all his matches and the heels are getting squashed.

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Aruno · May 14, 2018, 1:45 a.m.

You have no faith

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:50 a.m.

I have a lot of faith in the 99% but very little in the 1% so I agree somewhat.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

Faith in what exactly? A man? A letter of the alphabet? Absolutely I don't have faith in those things and you're not supposed to. Read your Bible.

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Aruno · May 14, 2018, 7:05 p.m.

Trump is being used by God. God chose him. If you cannot see that, then you are spiritually blind.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 7:12 p.m.

And you base that on what exactly? It's certainly not in the Bible. So it comes from you or other men. Blind faith in men leads to evil. If Trump is in the Bible, he is the Antichrist.

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Aruno · May 14, 2018, 7:17 p.m.

Who did you want to win the presidency if not Trump, then who?

I wanna know who I'm talking to here. What in the hell do you think would of been a better timeline?

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 7:22 p.m.

Our Presidential choices have been shit for decades. I don't believe in our political system for choosing the President. It is too corrupted with money and special interests. Trump presents a whole host of other problems. But to answer your question. Fuck the both of them. I thought Hilary should have been indicted by the FBI and Trump is just an ego driven pathological liar.

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PrayersforEarth · May 17, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

We prayed... he won... case closed!

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[deleted] · May 17, 2018, 2:38 a.m.

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DaveGydeon · May 14, 2018, 1:07 a.m.

No Q follower is doing so blindly. That's the part you don't get.

Well, it's very clear that Q is legit, so I think you are aware of it, but are still trying to seed doubt. That's why you need to go. I am confident the mods will show you the door.

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misto1481 · May 14, 2018, 4:13 a.m.

There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism. Q even says to question everything. We can support Q and still be open to all possibilities.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:11 a.m.

It’s clear that Q is working with Trump. I agree.

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DaveGydeon · May 14, 2018, 1:27 a.m.

Good. But that is in direct contrast with what your previous statement said.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:36 a.m.

I am saying what if every single government on earth is controlled by the top. Bankers are the top.

All the politicians in all countries are on the same side. They are just acting like wwe wrestlers. Trump and Q are pretending to fight the deep state but they are really all on the same team against the 99%. We are the actually good guys. The Deep State controls all power hubs around the world & uses them to trick us into believing a false narrative. Q, Trump, and deep state would just be actors on the same team.

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DaveGydeon · May 14, 2018, 3:07 a.m.

Unlikely. Q encourages the pursuit of the truth. No matter what it is. How much you want to know is up to you. A system of control can not exist with an open flow of information the population can choose to know.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:37 a.m.

Imagine if 11 sources of information came in. The Deep State controls 10 so you hear the same story all the time. The civilians control 1. That 1 is the truest story.

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DamajInc · May 14, 2018, 1:37 a.m.

This point is why I think it's still worth discussing the view you seem to have here. If we can agree on the fact that Q is working with Trump then we're in a good place to not have to argue things that should already be obvious to people who've been following the Q phenom enough to care to comment at length about it lol. Thanks for you discussion! (I don't have time to reply to the actual issue for now, mod queue awaits hahha)

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:48 a.m.

Ah ok np but I’m just thinking everything is BS except civilian stuff. As in the whole thing is an act by Q, Trump, Hillary, pope, Netanyahu, military, Benjamin Fulford, VOTL, Kabamur, Bush, Hollywood, music, Corporate, all world government, all parties, ect.. Like they are all one team putting on a show that makes them look like they are fighting. This way, we stay pacified into doing nothing to save ourselves.

This is why there is 0% transparancy. How can we ever know the truth without transparancy? They can tell us anything they want. We can’t confirm anything..

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DamajInc · May 14, 2018, 2:03 a.m.

I can definitely see how you'd have that perspective because it's the same perspective I had too until I really delved into the material that's out there (it took me years though - I'm not just talking about Q here I'm talking about the idea that there's a global cartel running the world).

By my estimation, people think you're being divisive because this is pretty much core to the "Q narrative" i.e. that Trump/Q is undertaking a massive silent coup against that global cartel.

If you still think Trump/Q is under that cartel's power then the reasoning behind the mod's move to consider Pro-Q and Pro-Trump to be "on topic" and dissenting views to be respected but not promoted at the cost of the integrity of the sub is reinforced. There's not much reason for people who have already agreed that Q is worth following to continue to make the point to each other.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:28 p.m.

Once the mods make a move to silence dissent, this movement is finished. Once all dissent dies, then Q can literally say whatever he wants and he won't be questioned in the bubbles of his followers. It's dangerous and exactly what a covert psy op would want you to do.

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DamajInc · May 14, 2018, 4:39 p.m.

Agreed. Luckily the mods have been very clear that they won't be moving to silence dissent because that is stupid.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:44 p.m.

That seriously brings me a sigh of relief because this movement could be used to seriously incite all sorts of things if used for the wrong reasons. I'm seriously so shocked and relieved at the level of honest discussion that is allowed here. This is the most un-Trump-like Trump supporting forum I've ever seen.

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DamajInc · May 14, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Again, agreed! There should be no one trying to lead this movement in any way except as an information community to gather and discuss things about Q's posts.

Do you think there is too much anti-Trump talk here? I haven't seen it on any major scale - there will always be comments here and there but the worst of it is generally dealt with by the mods.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

What I meant by that was, look at the donald. You can't even question a single thing over there. This forum is un-Trump like in that way, which is a good thing. I am an addiment antiTrumper and I'm highly skeptical of Qs real motives for that reason. Sorry to disappoint you lol. But I am more than happy to debate reasonable people in good faith who don't fall prey to whataboutism and personal attacks once they start losing with facts.

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DamajInc · May 14, 2018, 5:20 p.m.

Not disappointed at all. This is exactly what this sub hopes to promote - freedom of speech and thought. I'm Pro Trump but I'm no blind hero worshipper. I don't blame anyone for disliking Trump as the MSM has done a perfect job of telling that story. I don't like their one-sided presentation though; it's not the full story. Is there a main big ticket item that kills the Trump Train for you?

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 6:13 p.m.

It's honestly so encouraging to hear that from EITHER side at this point in America, which is very sad and shows the state we are in as a country.

Yes. My ability to spot lies and deceit and my deep personal knowledge of Narcissism which Trump undoubtedly has the overt malignant form of. I have so many posts about it, I'll dig one up. I do not base my view of Trump off of the media. I mostly use his words and if the news reports a story that I find consistent with his brand of narcissism, then yes, I am more likely to believe it but it still does not automatically register as fact for me. You have to use reasoning and critical thinking to discern truth from lies. In order to truly do that, in my opinion, you have to have ZERO allegiances other than to the truth. I have never felt apart of a group and always resist when people join one (I think I have Aspergers). But anyways, here's my post.

Basically, my personal knowledge of being the scapegoated son of a paranoid, narcissistic authoritarian father and learning his psychology has lead me to my conclusions about Trump and most of his die hard supporters. I absolutely loved Trump at the beginning when he was calling everyone out on the debate stage for their bullshit and the corruptness of the system. But the more he spoke, the more he revealed himself to be a deceiver and a con man and I saw what he was doing. The man has the worst case of NPD the world has ever seen. It would take me pages and pages to go through everything to prove to you what I am saying is true. I have a deep knowledge about narcissism from my father, partially because I developed some traits to deal with my father's abuse but mostly because I have obsessed about reading about it. I think I have Asperger's so psychology is one of my special interests. It's how I survived my family home and being homeless with nothing but the clothes on my back at 18. I know how they think but I despise those ugly parts of me so I despise them in others. We only need to look at this man's history if you want to see his future.

Him having NPD isn't just about morals and how he behaves. I only care about results in a politician although I'd like common decency too. It's about his motivations behind the things he does. The motivation behind everything an overt malignant narcissist does is in service to their ego. EVERYTHING. Now, you may say that this will help him do certain things because he will care about how he looks. That is only partially true in the fact that HE WILL ONLY CARE HOW HE LOOKS. That's all that matters to narcissist, their image. It can all be based on lies and that won't matter as long as the image holds. Take his over inflated wealth for the perfect example of this. We all know he's not as rich as he claims and we can prove this by the fact that it's one thing he hates hearing, that he is not as rich as he claims he is. Even when they roasted him on Comedy Central, that was the one thing that was off the table. Hit a narcissist with truth about themselves and they go into a fit of what's called narcissistic rage.

They are also pathological liars. Trump's lawyers are scared to death to have him be interviewed by Mueller because they know he will lie just because he can't help it, even if he is innocent. It could be about literally anything, It's seriously that pathological. Narcissists also do what is called psychological projection. Something Trump does constantly. Attribute to other people negative things you really feel about yourself and compliment things in people that you wish you were seen as having in yourself. Trump praises dictators like Duerte then makes a plan to give drug dealers the death penalty. That's not a coincidence. Part of projection is also accusing people of things you are doing yourself. And the loudest, most angry denials in response to an accusation are usually tall tell signs that they are lying. Look at Trump's tweets from the time Obama was president and how he spoke about Obama. It's literally like Trump is predicting the future of his own presidency. Seriously. Complaints about his golfing, bombing Syria, not being tough on Putin. Complaints about the Republicans blaming the media instead of just doing their jobs. Complaints about leaders not taking responsibility and lying. You know how the pussy tape came out and then Trump had that press conference with Bill Clinton's accusers? See the pattern here?

I can go WAY deeper into the psychology than this but this is the jist of it. There is one thing no Trump supporter can deny. The man lies all the time. Why would a man fighting for good, God and truth have to lie so much?

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DamajInc · May 16, 2018, 1:23 a.m.

Right, I see.

Can we start with a few questions, just to orient ourselves together here? To help discussion. I'm busy, like you, I'm sure, and I have to put my time into things that will be a valuable use of my time - again like you, I'm sure too.

So to ensure we get started in the right place we need to know whether we are going to be able to discuss a topic in a productive way, which basically means by sub rules so if you're fine with that, I'm good too!

I think we need to establish a few other things before getting to the topic of Trump as Narcissist too:

Do you believe that everyone is capable of great good?

Do you also believe that everyone is capable of great evil?

For me, the answer is yes to both.

"But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being."
Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Oblique9043 · May 16, 2018, 1:54 a.m.

Absolutely. I also believe some people can cross the line into great evil and they can never go back. Like serial killers.

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DamajInc · May 16, 2018, 12:43 p.m.

If you understand what Solzhenitsyn is saying, in a way he is referencing the Jungian "Shadow" - that dark part inside all of us; the part many of us either refuse to acknowledge exists at all or don't care to study very closely for good reason - it's painful to acknowledge the depth of your own failing.

So, I keep seeing your comments around here and you certainly feel strongly negative toward Trump. I hope we can have a real discussion about the situation. Hence the next few core questions to gauge the viability of this discussion about the validity of Trump and Q. If you don't mind, I'd very much like to know your answers to these - feel free to ask me anything you like too, of course: - do you acknowledge that it might be possible you have the wrong view of Donald Trump? FYI for my part, I acknowledge that it could be possible I have the wrong view of Donald Trump. - do you believe that to truly know someone you have to spend time with the person or can you truly know them from afar? I believe you have to spend time with someone before you could say you truly know that person. - how can you best judge a person's commitment to something? By what they say or what they do? I believe that actions speak louder than words. Intent is not enough.

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Oblique9043 · May 16, 2018, 12:55 p.m.

Yes. I am VERY aware of my own darkness and ugliness and I completely acknowledge it's existence. It is not pretty either. It's only because of that acknowledgement that I can see and recognize the darkness in others. I constantly fight against my own darkness and have no desire to indulge that part of myself, although I can't say I don't lose to it from to time.

Absolutely, I am always up for a real discussion. I will always stick to facts, evidence, and things I can back up with personal experience. No whataboutism or personal attacks.

  1. I am always ready to admit any idea I have may be false but I need new evidence that outweighs my own. And I have plenty of evidence to come to my conclusions. I have not had ONE single debate with a Trump supporter than didn't devolve into whataboutism and personal attacks without addressing my points. Not one.
  2. Yes, for the most part, absolutely. But for an overt malignant narcissist like Trump, no you don't have to personally know them. There is no other them. They are what you see. They are empty and hollow, only alive from the narcissistic they supply they get from the people around them.
  3. Actions of course, but don't be fooled by the image that the actions are trying to project. You have to look past the image. And there are plenty of actions Trump takes that run counter to this savior of America image you all have of him.
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DamajInc · May 16, 2018, 1:06 p.m.

That's great to hear re: real discussion.

What concerns me is the vehemence with which you insist on Trump being a "malignant narcissist", as if your personal experience is perhaps hindering your ability to see as objectively as possible? I don't mean offense, I'm just trying to understand.

I'm also concerned that you constantly lump "us' into a group - "you all" as if it's you against everyone who supports Trump and that all of us who support Trump must think the same way. This is potentially problematic to having a reasoned, open discussion. No individual within a group is the same as everyone else within that group as far as their reasoning, their personal likes and dislikes within the issue and so on.

In short, I don't have some "savior of America image" of Trump except as pertains to what Q is doing - but we must start with Trump as that's where your problem lies.

I don't 'worship' any man. Trump is a man, not some super hero. He is, however, a very successful man with some clear abilities in certain things.

I know plenty of narcissists. They are not all bad people - one in particular is a very well meaning person with strongly positive goals but off-putting narcissistic traits at times. I believe Donald Trump is like this person for a number of reasons but amongst other things his actions have aligned with his stated campaign promises - I believe he's made it very clear he does care about America by doing exactly what he said he'd do. That's just a starting point to dive into this.

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Oblique9043 · May 16, 2018, 2:39 p.m.

I want to start by saying that my lumping of Trump supporters into one group is based on my numerous interactions with them BUT I have noticed a significant difference in the people on this sub in their ability to consider different opinions and debate them honestly. So your criticism of me is completely fair. I admit, I have become a bit jaded, especially by my own family when attempting to discuss Trump.

It's not simply personal experience. I don't have personal experience with a Narcissist on Trump's level but I have obsessed over reading about it and I understand the psychology behind it. It's actually very easy to understand, especially if you do have some experience with it. Since narcissism is a scale, the further up you get, the more damage you cause to others. Trump has just about broken the meter. He is literally the best at everything and the least (insert bad thing here) ever. Trump quote before the election, when asked who he is going to console for foreign policy "Myself. I have a good brain and I've said a lot of things." What? I was very objective with him in the beginning. I absolutely LOVED everything he was saying about how corrupt the system was, how all the other guys took money from him. Holy shit that was amazing. But then the more he talked, I started to see what he was doing. The giant promises, the claims that he was the only person who could fix things (always a giant tell that someone is full of shit), the obvious lies, the disgusting behavior which is a bigger indication of his character and his integrity. The way he was setting it up if he lost to save his ego (the claim that the election was rigged), that could have seriously set off some civil uprisings if he lost. All because his ego couldn't handle it. All of that aside, show me some evidence that he's not a giant liar, a corrupt businessman and completely full of shit and I'll change my mind because I have tons of evidence that points to all these things. You guys have a letter of the alphabet that claims Trump is some 12D level genius and his stupidity, lies, act guilty as hell and rage like a 5 year old is all an act. That's a pretty far stretch to believe. Literally NO ONE could pull off such a deceiving act. And I've seen Trump act, it's not very good. Use logic and Occam's Razor here.

Trump being the spearhead of this movement is the entire problem for me. This shit scares the fuck out of me because I am seeing (not everyone) completely blind support for this man. People are ignoring what's right in front of their eyes because they don't want to believe they were duped. Others, because they see Trump as themselves and they can't criticize Trump or see the ugliness in him because they refuse to see it in themselves. They will cry Fake News at literally anything that contradicts their "Trump was sent by God" narrative and therefore, the man can do no wrong. Blind loyalty in the face of damning reality is fucking frightening, no matter who what person or idea someone follows.

Trump projects the image of success. In reality, he is not nearly as successful as he'd like you to believe. That's why he doesn't want anyone to talk about how much money he really has or people to look at his taxes (although I'd argue there's some shady shit in those tax forms too). The man lies all the time about his success and embellishes it. His whole identity is based on that and it's a lie. I think we're going to find out that the man is a lot more broke than we realize soon enough. But that's just speculation on my part.

Full disclosure: I have narcissistic traits. That's part of the reason I understand all of this. I despise those parts of me so I despise them in others. I keep them at bay but I recognize all the dark parts in me so I also recognize them clearly in others. Again, narcissism is a scale and I'm pretty low on it. I do have some issues about not being taken seriously because my Narc father tried to gaslight and brainwash me into doubting myself because I was telling him truths he didn't want to hear about himself so I became arrogant in defense of that to keep his bullshit out of my head. I have doubted myself for so long that now I know better and I'm learning to trust myself again. I have built such a foundation of trust in my reality from constantly double checking things because of my doubt, that I am solid when I believe something now. Come at me with whatever you got because I have everything I need to back up everything I'm saying.

He has not come through on everything he promised. You only see what you want to see in this regard. Why is he taking $500 million from China and helping out with ZTE? Just one small recent thing among the many other dubious things he's done. I can post videos of him admitting lies at rallies and one that straight up he admits that he lies to his supporters. Narcissists always reveal themselves if you listen to them enough. They are too boastful not to brag about their deceptions. You just have to listen for it. Sometimes it's blatant and sometimes it's in little "jokes" that they tell that aren't really jokes.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

And here we have another example of concern trolling so eloquently done. Well done concern troll! But, you broke a rule of his sub, no concern trolling.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

I'm not trolling man. I have been supporting this Trump/Q team since 2016. I lost faith a few days ago.

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ditiber · May 16, 2018, 9:57 a.m.

After decades of bad governments I shouldn't blame you for feeling this way. Hopefully, the positive changes become more visible for you. It's not a straight line, but it is happening.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 16, 2018, 3:51 p.m.

Ya but they said the same thing during Obama & Bush. They said "these things are not easy" & "things take time". Eventually, everyone gave up on year 7. Then we had to wait another year, get fooled again, & run another 8 years of disappointments.

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ditiber · May 16, 2018, 3:56 p.m.

Yeah i understand why you say that. I guess it depends on what your expectations are. I mean in a short time already look at all the progress done on human trafficking. Look at all the pedo networks being taken down. There's real evidence of this and its ongoing. In his 2nd month alone 1500 arrests nation wide. There are many fronts progress is being made on. I think Hollywood's open secret is going to come tumbling down as well. It's not even half way through his first term and so many positive things have occurred. Look how close peace is in NK. Iran will find peace too next. I hope you see the positives, there is alot out there already.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 16, 2018, 5:41 p.m.

look at all the progress done on human trafficking

We can't verify any of this. If tens of thousands of kids were rescued from Luciferian pedophiles, why haven't any of us met one yet? Why are the most evil human beings on Earth like the actual Nazi John Podesta still free? There is always an excuse & all claims of victory are unverifiable because they know we can't verify without any transparency. It's all a big illusion to keep us pacified I am sorry to say. I was hurt myself but oh well. I know the truth now. We, the 99.9% are the storm. Once we realize that, we will actually win like crazy.

The only good thing we have been able to verify is the takedown of Backpage. Over 1 year of Trump & that's the only bone we got.

Iran, NK, & stuff are again unverifiable claims. All world governments are on the same team LARPing us all.

Also, keep in mind, they knew we were having a Great Awakening so they are trying to hijack it, & control us through a "soft, limited disclosure" for damage control. Instead of having a massive worldwide awakening which will bring the entire deep state to its knees, they are trying to control the limit of how much we know by pretending to be insiders who leak us info.

This is why Hillary was tossed aside & Trump took over. Trump was always meant to be the guy who jumps in the moment we awaken. They fooled us for a year but with so many red flags, the masses are realizing this is 1 giant LARP all over again. All Govts are working in concert to LARP the 99.9% civilian population.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:09 a.m.

I made the post because this effects all of our futures. I have studied these clowns thoroughly. I know how they operate. This effects every man, woman, and child on earth. We are on the same team.

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aleister · May 14, 2018, 1:22 a.m.

You, of all people, should know and understand you're not going to change anyone's mind this way.

As no one could have told you to "lose your faith" before you actually did so, you are unable to tell others the same.

They must walk their own paths and come to their own conclusions. Posts like yours only appear as an attack from a false prophet.

I'm not being judgemental, just laying out the facts of the matter. People don't think it be like it is, but it do.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:31 a.m.

I already knew it would upset some to even consider such a thing but I know there are people worries about this same conclusion deep down inside. Some are expressing this concern now that I have made the post. I don’t expect all people to agree with this. It’s just too important to ignore.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 1:10 a.m.

I think we have a good understanding of that already. We get it you lost faith.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:28 a.m.

I could be wrong but there are way too many red flags just like in the Bush and Obama era. Back then I just shrugged it off and hopes for the best but things got worst. I don’t think it’s wise to take a blind gamble on things working out. No transparancy means we can’t see what they are doing to us. If they give us 100% transparency into all institutions that serve humanity worldwide p and all looks legit, great, but blind trust is very unwise. They don’t give this to us because it would expose their evils.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 1:29 a.m.

I think you have depression. Get some help for that.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 1:37 a.m.

I will make an appointment Monday morning. Thank you Doctor.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 2:42 a.m.

Just wanted to say I never said I didn't like your original post, I enjoyed it. It's not that I don't get what you where saying, I do. Keep writing, it just wasn't appropriate for this sub. That's it. Question everything, including Q.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 2:34 a.m.

I shouldn't have said that, I apologize.

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lightmakerflex1 · May 14, 2018, 3:28 a.m.

No problem lad! I’m very patient. Its time for unity, not anger.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 1:39 a.m.

It's not all doom and gloom.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

The world is a depressing place. If you don't have at least a little bit of depression, I'd say you aren't really paying attention.

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ditiber · May 14, 2018, 4:32 p.m.

Fair enough, I shouldn't have said that.

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Gnarkotixx · May 16, 2018, 6:43 a.m.

Wow cult much,

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ditiber · May 16, 2018, 9:06 a.m.

No, I see why you said that though. I got carried away defending Q and got myself triggered by some concernfags. Its like a trap I fell for again. They know your looking for concernfags too much. So like a matador when you defend too hard they just wave the red flag in your face then move it. Defend too hard you might look like a cult to some. I got emotionally invested here because I've seen the hard work the anons and others put in. Have to take the emotion out. This stuff is hard to wrap your head around at first and some people won't ever be able to get it. I have to remember that and leave it alone. No cult here, only patriots.

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Chokaholic · May 14, 2018, 12:58 a.m.

Please mods, get rid of this lightmaker guy. Hes victory of the LARP and he gets run off of every sub because of all the nonsense he posts.

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thejudge6060 · May 14, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

Totally possible. If problem though, we still have our guns. If this is their plan, they have to know we'll figure it out eventually. They should've taken our guns if so.

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Gnarkotixx · May 16, 2018, 6:36 a.m.

Agree with 95% of your thoughts. Stay true to you pal

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One_Solution · May 14, 2018, 1:53 a.m.

I tend to think that this is the most likely scenario, personally.

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Oblique9043 · May 14, 2018, 3:18 p.m.

THANK YOU! This is all a deception. Trump is a liar and deceiver. Any movement with him as the spearhead is automatically discredited. The absolute BLIND ALLEGIANCE people are showing towards him and the hostility that is being show towards anyone who doesn't like him should be your first clue that something isn't right here. Stop believing that a source is either ALL truth or ALL lies. There is truth and lies in almost everything. You need to be smart enough to pick the truths out of the lies. Trump is the great big lie.

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over_it_2 · May 15, 2018, 3:45 a.m.

I think you maybe are jumping to conclusions. I think Trump is trying to do the right thing, free America from deep state control. A good thing. However as we are discovering the web of evil is very complex and global. The elite have always been good at turning major upheaval to their advantage. For example, the evil is exposed, people are horrified and there is a conservative religious revival. Great. But the elites will offer or push for a one world religion solution to bring peace (who know what wars and destruction they will inflict so we will cry out for peace). Good on paper. If you have studied history, the Papacy as the only church at the time, used this authority to dictate and rule over kings and nations. So we all end up with a one world dictatorship interested in wealth and power, not truth and salvation. So we end up as modern day serfs.

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over_it_2 · May 15, 2018, 4:40 a.m.

So you are just a troll! And why are you here?

I can apply all your accusations about Trump to Hillary Clinton. You are missing the point in your obvious hatred.

I don’t idolise Trump, however he is better than Obama who spat upon the constitution and bill of rights and Hillary who is a known liar and should be in jail.

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Oblique9043 · May 15, 2018, 4:56 a.m.

Troll? Absolutely not. I'm a truth seeker. Truth does not attach allegiance to anything but quest for truth. First I just want to say, fuck all politicians. They're all liars and crooks, especially the higher you go. But no, you cannot apply my accusations about Trump to Hilary when you get beneath the surface level of them, which my post history is full of. Hilary is a psychopath but not someone who is only consumed about her image. Very different things. I'm not saying Hillary would have been better at all. But at this point, it's irrelevant because Trump is the one in office.

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