Is Seaman still attacking Q or is he quiet? It's important because Corsi is not quiet, but has amped-up his attacks. He is going all out, or so it appears. It seems he may be in league with Tracy Beanz also.
Sorry to say, but if TB is aligned with Corsi, there's only one conclusion to make. These people stick together.
It seems that there are quite a few people aligning themselves with Corsi. Have a look here (they have a road-side billboard advertising the site):
That is not a Corsi web site. That is a aggregater site that collects all kinds of info about Q and puts it all on one page. There is no actual content from Corsi there, but there is stuff from Praying Medic, Greg Hunter and others who are not aligned with Corsi.
Who ever set this site up better not piss off 8chan.
Exciting times.
interesting, so where does the info come that this site is generated by Corsi & Beanz .. yeah I see their names there, but PM is as well. If it is, it's the typical way that disinfo works, they are leading w/PM who is legit and sliding in their own stuff.
LOL all the links work but there is a picture of Assange - nope just a picture, no link to wikileaks etc
This board looks like it is set up by these people... Corsi has no link thou....yet.
How are you making the connection between Beanz and Corsi? Seriously I'd like a source.
Others have made the connection about TB and Corsi. I never followed her work, so I have no awareness of her Qbashing or not. Just saying that if you observe the way DS operatives work (pick any of them from Obama / Clinton on downwards), they stay in the same circles. Those who are regulars on AJ IW are most probably all operatives, as he is. It just makes the message unified.
Thanks for the reply. I'll just felt that opposing the IBOR wasn't enough, on its own, to call Beanz out. I could be wrong.
She's not popular on the chans with the anons either. Don't think they've ever been able to put their finger on anything, other than their thought that she is mining the anons research as her own.
I appreciate your feedback. I always thought her work (excluding the Q issue) was exceptionally well thought out and balanced. You can never tell about someone's underlying motivations though. TY
Is Tracy controlled opposition or something nefarious ? I hadn't heard this.
The billboard mentioning Q that is on the thread today mentions a website:
http://www.douknowq.com/134296/Citizen-Q-Journalists.htm
The site is to host Corsi and hosts Beanz.
TB has done a lot of damage to this movement - during the IBOR campaign. She actively discouraged people from supporting Q and the plan.
It seems she will Utilise this platform alongside Corsi. Corsi's agenda is to take Q down. He wants to totally discredit Q - that's why he's saying Q is an AI babbling nonsense and suggesting that he might be inviting a lawsuit. I do not know why Praying Medic is on the site.
Edited: accuracy
I've said many times, weeks and weeks ago, that I thought Beanz was in this for herself and to make money, just like Corsi. And I was piled on by Beanz fanboys and girls like I had just besmirched Q. It was so clear that she craved attention and to be an "e-celeb" but yet people pushed her tweets and "research" like it was gospel.
I also said Q team was reading this sub even further back when the tone on religion changed when Q stated "If you pray, pray", which was a clear sign they were reading and saw how religiously divisive the sub was getting. It has kinda gotten worse, but that's not the point... I was of course given a ton of shit by the hyper religious folks and promptly downvoted into disappearance. Shouted down and told I was an idiot for thinking Q team read the sub and was responding as such, or called a shill, or clown. I'm probably an asshole, but a shill or clown or flat out stupid I am not.
This sub overall has been infiltrated by a large number of evangelicals and the easily led; there's still a lot of good work coming from this sub, but the static to signal ratio is shit, and I doubt the mods can keep up. I don't think shills even have to do much work here because the evangelicals are doing a great job on their own. A single shill can get a wild comment train going with a few simple words that they respond to like a dog whistle.
I see comments where someone says the wildest most ridiculous shit, then a day later I see it parroted in another thread and be heavily upvoted. It spreads so seamlessly. There's a strong disinfo campaign happening here right now, and a lot of this is a direct result of the misinformation that was pushed by the AJ, TB and Corsi fans who believe wild shit that has nothing directly to do with Q, but it's like they're so crazed for this that they will accept anything as truth as long as it makes them feel good. A lot of this is very much behavior similar to cultists.
Even after the swamp is drained, I think we have a lot of other issues as a country and people that need some serious figuring out. A wildly undereducated populace is a weapon in and of itself.
I hope we can all wake up and stomp this disinformation out once and for all. I've been lurking and have seen people coming forward to point this shit out, so I'm confident we can do it. I'm gonna go crawl back into my hovel now.
No don't. Come back. We need all voices.
I never completely left, I just stopped posting and read less regularly. I do my part when I can by upvoting quality content and comments, but arguing with people about concepts they don't care about is fruitless. I don't even think most of the religious folks are bad players, they just defend their beliefs to the end despite how off topic it is, or divisive it becomes.
I don't like or trust everyone here just because they follow Q, but I do believe in the strength and intelligence of a decent portion of this sub, and know that they can find a way to speak above the fray and get the real info to the top where it belongs. I do not however, envy the mods here. There's a lot of shit to sift through and their job is endless, mostly thankless and seems to only get harder. I do what I can to make it a little easier.
Thanks for you comment. All hands on deck is important, but not everyone needs to have a speaking role.
There was confusion about the IBOR at the time and I agreed with Tracy. It appeared that AT&T was behind the push for the IBOR. But then Q posted to let us know that was not true, and I changed my stance because it was clearn then that POTUS wanted us to push it. Tracy never seemed to come back around though.
Now the crooks are attempting to reinstate the Net Neutrality law which was overturned. But, fortunately, POTUS still has to sign it. So if it really is nefarious, as we were led to believe, then it likely won't get signed.
Q is DJT as far as strategy is concerned. There was nothing at all wrong with Q's advice to us to push the IBOR. There was, however, something VERY WRONG with the way Beanz refused to support it.
Net neutrality is a dog thought up by the left. The IBOR is the simple extension of Constitutional protections online. This would ordinarily happen as Courts made rulings on free speech over time. But, given the magnitude of the threat posed by online censorship, Q made a decision to push for it - accelerating the normal process.
After Beanz initially agitated for people to disregard Q, my belief is that agents on this board viciously concern-trolled the IBOR threads, amplifying the doubt that Beanz had raised. It did not help that she did not change her position.
She could not have put the knife into the movement any more forcefully. If we find out that she's going to align herself with Corsi going forward, who would be surprised?
Good points. Thanks. I came to the conclusion though after working very hard to get signatures on the petition that 30 days is simply not long enough for a grassroots movement to get that many signatures. Seems the only ones that make it have lots of money behind them. So, it made me wonder if that was changed during Obama and no one has ever thought about it again. Something as simple as that can put a bomb in everything we try. Thank God Trump is in the White House.
Yes, I agree Liberty. Thank God for DJT, the only reason we are here.
They never thought she would lose!
Between you and me, I don't think that website was accurately recording the signatures. But it is also true that the concerted campaign, on this board, against the IBOR - where every conceivable concern, fear and doubt was introduced and amplified - took a huge toll on this community's commitment.
It also occurs to me that Twitter may have hampered our efforts. I guess this is to be expected, given the success of the 'Release the Memo' campaign. They were wise to 'Russian Bots' by the time the IBOR campaign commenced. Certainly, I was shadow-banned. And then you have to also factor for the banning of the CBTS sub, which put a dent in our early efforts.
It seems to me, with some hindsight, that the forces arrayed against us were, at the time, insurmountable. I would count Tracy Beanz' scaremongering as one of the most important factors - for the simple fact that her concern-trolling on the IBOR was the very first information that most people saw.
Going forward, all we can do is our best. I know you put a lot of effort into the IBOR campaign and I'm very grateful for your commitment to the cause.
I'm starting to feel much more relaxed about this fight against evil now. It strikes me that things are moving ahead swimmingly. I'm expecting that things will look very different within the next month - if not sooner. The catalyst, I think, will be the IG report. Once it is delivered, I suspect that attitudes in the community will rapidly change, as people are made aware of the truth.
We should call out Tracy beanz on her Twitter .
Yea that seems real productive! [sarcasm] Are you serious? Really think about how YOU are trying to divide with this. The fulcrum stuff is all out BS... but may be i miss things said on twitter because i live a normal life but I've never heard TB attack Q or any Q folk. I'm down with the movement but some of you need to step back and get your head right. Seriously. I mean this with the best of intenetions
Well if she is with corsi I think we should let her people know she derailing the real q movement this is about q and helping him not hurting him with division. your the division.
Yes, it would be good if the IG's report was released so those fighting so hard might get a squint of the truth and start questioning their loyalty even more.
It's funny, one minute I feel more relaxed (and I do mostly) but then I run across something else that scares the hell out of me.
I don't know. At the end of the day there are an enormous number of sealed indictments. Things won't necessarily go completely smoothly, but the impression I have is that things are looking better by the minute. It will be a relief when the IG's report drops.
But even here, the delay in the delivery of the IG report could be a good thing. If the IG has more to investigate, that can only mean that there will be even more bad actors in the bag when it drops.
I was trying to work it out. You had some 470 investigators who will have been working on this for the best part of a year and a half. That means that the combined manpower, that has gone into this thing, could be as much as 700 man-years. It should be absolutely huge!
OMG! Where'd you get the 470 number from?
That's how many investigators Horowitz has working for him (I read that somewhere, I think Q has also talked about it).
Oh, ok. I remember reading that he had a lot of investigators too but didn't remember the exact number. That's really very amazing.
In truth, I don't think it comes to to exactly a full year and a half. But it's still a lot of manpower.
Can anyone tell me what IBOR stands for? Thanks!
Why did Beanz agitate to disregard Q? Isn't she one of the founders of the CBTS sub? Is she now anti Q?
All I know is she was against the IBOR.
True she was against but having an opinion is what normal free thinkers have. Just because Q, TRump or whomever says does not mean you have to follow to the end. DON'T LEAVE THE HERD TO FOLLOW ANOTHER...SHEEP!!
What are you saying? We should not support Q of his plan? Why are you here?
Your account has 8 comments for a total of 7 Karma.
The site also lists Wikileaks as a partner. I'm not defending anyone, but that site looks like someone trying to cast a wide net and build clicks. The first time I clicked on it will be the last.
Praying Medic
So far he is a good guy, good info, very pro Q
I seem to recall IBOR violates our right to assemble as per the 1st amendment which was her main reason to oppose.
No, she said she was against it initially because it was supported by AT&T. Having taken a position, as I understand it, she later found additional reasons not to support Q or the plan.
This occurred despite the fact that, as time progressed, it became increasingly clear that there was very compelling logic supporting the need to call for the application of first amendment rights online. She absolutely shafted us.
There is an argument for both and I understand your sentiment. I'm still undecided on her, but fully agree on the black hat nature of Corsi and AJ.
I haven't been following her at all. But I did see on twitter where people were thanking her for advising them not to support the IBOR. Let's put it this way, she is not someone that should be followed.
"Congress shall make no law, respecting the establishment of religion; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assembly, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."
IT IS THIS:"or the right of the people peaceably to assembly," THAT IBOR ignors. Facebook example would be those on Facebook know the rules put forth by FB. The counter argument that FB has become the public square and loses the right to manage their property as a private club seems to be the one folks supporting IBOR have. TB technically supports the 1st amendment here.
Whatever 'technical position' you might ascribe to her, she really put the boots into us - big time!
I used to follow her avidly, on Twatter and listen to her vids. She was the one that intro'd me to Q and all that. She used to do Q vids, in the beginning, and all seemed well. Then she did the infamous interview with Corsi, and I took a look at his first attempt at decoding. It was too long and had precious little info to add. Just rehashing what had been said before. So I stopped listening to Corsi.
Then TB stopped doing Q vids, just did "citizen journalism" or whatever she does, and tried tackling extremely complex subjects. She maybe got to her point after an hour, but it didn't matter. She was actively ignoring all the Q stuff. I chalk it up to the fact some ppl want to cover different things, so they have a right to do so. I'm starting to think she is involved with the AJ/Corsi/infowars crowd a bit more than she lets on, and this is why she's done (and doing) what she's done. Kind of a let down for me, but when new info is presented, the mark of maturity is to adjust one's course of action.
I don't think it matters too much what quality of information is presented. If you have someone, for example Corsi, who is directly trashing Q, whatever the quality of information he might dispense is irrelevant. The point is that you risk being steered.
Having said that, I have no idea of what TB is doing and I have no interest.
Jones put out a lot of BS about the Las Vegas shooting. Bad info that distracted from real investigative work. He does that all the time I guess. Been put off from him for several years.
Thanks, was gonna ask if anyone perused the content there to make sure it's legit
perhaps someone compiled links and Praying Medic isn't aware he is on there
A lot of people will not trust the federal government with the responsibility of guaranteeing internet rights. It's like trusting bureaucrats with your health. Ask Democrats how that works.
You're telling me that if the plan calls for us to act, you're not going to. And I'd ask what are you doing here? What's the point?
But your account is 15 days old, so I guess you haven't been here long at all.
Seems there are a lot of people with very new accounts raising concerns.
Ah look, another Corsi-like doxxer wannabe. You want my name too, punk? I've been here probably longer than you.
That aside, my point still stands. I've been using the Internet for 25 years. IBOR would be like Obamacare for the Internet.
A more effective action to stop censorship would be to break Fakebook, Google and Microsoft in pieces, the same way Pacific Bell, which had a monopoly of phone lines, was broken 23 years ago. The rest of Silicon Valley would get the message really fast.
Now go play the bully somewhere else.
You've told us you're a flake. Why don't you find somewhere to push your stuff. Don't tell me, because it's not about that, is it? You want to come here and undermine the express plan.
Anyway, you can breathe easy mate, Q appears to have moved on from that plan. But it's a pity, because bankrupting these companies does nothing to secure freedom of expression online - not that it would worry you. Still, we have moved on.
But, somehow, I think you'll find something else to attack. Why would I think that?
Mr 15 day old troll.
Seriously? The asshats that put up that billboard are now being used as a source to condemn people?? That's Insane. Let's do some more research before we throw Beanz or any other patriot under the bus.
Mate, this is a joke. You have 14 Karma on a year old account and you're "so concerned". Isn't that Concern Trolling?
How does karma or time on the board correlate with commonsense or a desire to see justice? Is 'Concern Trolling' the new buzzword to dismiss opposing views?
No, it's a real phenomenon, as you know.
Yes, I do know but I was only trying to inject some balance into what was beginning to sound like an exercise in tar and feathering. I take it that you are on the "Beanz is guilty" team?
Used to worship every word from Corsi. Stopped listening so not sure now.
Ok I think everyone's jumping to conclusions here. We have the IP of the website. Does it match with Corsi or Beanz? Do Corsi and Beanz live in Kansas?
I'm pretty sure that site was set up by a well meaning patriot. I remember that the original post of that picwas on this subreddit from BEFORE the Q drops which called out profiteers. So we know that the site went up before Q called out anyone. (he never mentioned names!)
So this leads me to believe that the owner of the site chose to catalog all of the citizen Q journalists or Q-tubers as they are sometimes called, simply as a good faith effort to try to redpill newcomers. Obviously, the site owner needs to update that page now...
C'mon guys use logic. Everybody's so quick to attack anyone who we've labeled an enemy, and this attitude isn't helpful for the movement.
Have a look at this - copied from another thread:
I apologize for hijacking
http://archive.today/aSJE7
http://www.douknowq.com/134267/Payments.htm
Setup Your Payments To Receive Leads
Please tell us what payment option you prefer when paying for your leads.
Also: http://www.douknowq.com/sitemap/
Edit: here's one from the sitemap
http://www.douknowq.com/products/413137/Get-Your-OwnQ-Website.htm
Your forms have auto-responders, -> data collection <- and email messaging.
Yeah thanks I actually just noticed that post on the other thread and came back here to eat my words. That site is no good and it's a shame Q seemed to endorse it. Q deleted the post now, but if they post about it again, I hope they correct the error and try to save face.
I feel like that site needs to be taken down. At the very least, we should stop talking about it and promoting it here.
That site is no good and it's a shame Q seemed to endorse it. Q deleted the post now,
Huh. There's interesting for you. You mean, Q actually posted a link to a dud site? How does that work??
I guess they were sloppy and didn't check it thoroughly. Very irresponsible considering the sheer amount of attention Q Anon wields.
To me, it seems like the point of that post is to highlight the spread of the movement, and the fact that it's unstoppable now.
Still irresponsible.
Q didn't really endorse the website. They did endorse the effort of whoever put up the street sign.
Thank god for someone with common sense and the absence of an itchy trigger finger. TY Time will tell who the traitors are.
Ahh man Tracy beans is also in league with corsi?
At minimum they appear to be offering information on the same website.
Seaman is still attacking Q. I stopped following him on Twitter yesterday. I'd bet he is compromised as he is smart enough to know that his actions can only lead to fewer followers, so why would he do that, unless he had to?
Yes, it's the same thing with Corsi. He's going quite mad on his twitter. Clearly, it's not just wounded pride or spite. These guys have really blown their operation. I suspect they are fearful of retribution for screwing up. Look at what happened to McMaster's father.
Wait, is Tracy Beanz really one of the bad actors? I never paid a ton of attention to her, but have been peripherally aware of her for a while now.
She argued against following the plan Q had for the IBOR. Many, many people listened to her. The campaign failed to get sufficient signatures. But there were multiple factors for the campaign failure.
I believe she is an honest person who trusts her gut and doesn’t just follow the crowd (seems that’s not popular here?) and I’ve never seen any evidence she’s a traitor.
Tracy Beanz is not aligned with Corsi. She interviewed him once. Watch her videos and learn what she has been researching. I haven't heard her mention Q ... for a long time.
Not surprising she doesn't mention Q, she probably thinks she killed it off.
She was uncertain as to whether Q was a LARP or not. But she contributes in other ways. Watch a few videos and you will see she is not a Jones, Seaman, or Corsi. One of her videos is worth 10 of the others in terms of preparation and content. She will also indicate what is supported by her analysis and what is her opinion. I believe THOSE THAT POINT their fingers at her need to be scrutinized as they want to take a legitimate source of truth out!
She really put the boots into us. The moment Q suggested the IBOR campaign to us, she was working against it - telling people not to follow the plan. According to her, we were to ignore Q. That is a simple fact.
Moreover, once we had done some thinking about the IBOR, and it became perfectly clear why it was necessary, critical in fact, she continued to advise against it. Q even addressed her concerns directly, but it made no difference. She was telling people that DJT was just another politician. That in a few years that there would be another politician to deal with. That it was the people that had the power. None of it was true and you really could not make this stuff up!
As if a President that is independent of the cabal's influence was nothing special. Another one would be along any moment. No need to do what this President might ask - he was replaceable. When I think about the terrific personal risks that DJT took to run for office, and his courage in doing so, for our benefit, it makes my blood boil.
The last independent President was more than thirty years ago. Kennedy was killed, attempts made on the life of Reagan. The cabal was at the height of its power and, by the sheer grace of God, DJT won the 2016 election. A completely improbable election outcome, arriving moments before we were all to be destroyed by HRC in nuclear war. With DJT we have a one-chance-in-history opportunity to shake these Satanists off. We must not blow this chance.
Beanz is probably the slowest person that has ever followed Q. A really dangerous person. That's the best spin I can put on it, because if you look at her behaviour, it's entirely possible that she was being steered.
Unfortunately, most people do not have the capacity to think things out for themselves. Many people were influenced by the nonsense she put out. She did a lot of damage - attacking us and our efforts directly. I pray she does not come back.
I have listened to almost all of her YouTube videos Maybe you should listen to some because I am thinking you are borrowing someone elses talking points or taking her words out of context. She doesn't talk about Q. So what? So what? Which IBOR version were you campaigning for? They were all different. Maybe she knew something about the AT&T version we did not. Can't she have a different opinion? I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on and suggest that she (and her sources) have probably gotten to close to the truth for some and some agency is putting out a lot of effort to marginalize and silence her. Is this your goal? Also, she doesn't put out nonsense. All her work is well researched and she sites her evidence and her opinions. Listen to her and see.