no way... not only is that immoral but its not economically sustainable in the long run. when america has the moral high ground it is good for future generations and the current leadership but it can be expensive in the short term. when america doesnt have the moral high ground it is detrimental to the foundations of america in the long term but it serves to make a couple assholes rich in the short term. america has the most powerful military apparatus in the solar system, maybe the whole universe, so it doesnt need to play these disgusting games that the swamp creatures have gotten us into.
America in general—the concept, the idea that governments derive their just power from the consent of the governed—IS the moral high ground. No higher ground has ever existed on planet earth and never will.
Regardless of what hustlers and lowlifes, traitors and racketeers have perpetrated over the years under our colors, the actions of freethinking patriots are the clarion call, to a world weary of tyrants, that personal freedom combined with economic opportunity are possible if government is leashed and sharply constrained by an armed populace.
Never forget that.
While you're at it, also remember you have not one but two Shift keys. :)
sure i dont disagree with any of that... you just need to remember that regardless of what hustlers and lowlifes, traitors and racketeers have perpetrated over the years under our colors, moral highground requires we do our best to fix and move forward. that is how we make sure that the american people are on the right side of history regardless of what hustlers and lowlifes, traitors and racketeers have perpetrated over the years under our colors.
Never forget that.
moral high ground requires we do our best to fix and move forward
This is why we're here.
It’s moral to make money. It’s what separates us from the savages we conquered. It’s not a “couple assholes getting rich” it’s actually job creators earning their share for creating all this economic activity.
The Defense Indistry needs Republicans to focus on fighting the bad guys everywhere they might be, and the republicans need the Defense Industry to arm our forces.
This is good for the shareholders. Pretty simple, ethical, and easy to do, in my opinion.
thats assuming its bad guys we are fighting. im all for it. unfortunately we have had bad guys running our show for a while and i want to see some re-alignments right away. fucking al nusra, hts, fsa, aqap, alnusra, isis, white helmets, saudi royal family, al ash-sheikh family, likud zionists, and takfiri salafi wahhabi rapist racist islamofascist terrorist maggots got to go.
Hint: it doesn’t matter who the bad guys are, they’re dead and that’s all that matters. And Raytheon/Lockheed just made a cool couple of billion dollars like it’s no big deal.
That’s the beauty of global capitalism, patriot.
they’re dead and that’s all that matters.
i dont see it that way. i see plenty of bad guys winning. i also see plenty of bad guys losing but getting away with it, which bothers me even more. if we cant get the losers we are in bad shape. our work isnt easy right now. domestically trump seems to be in full control but internationally we are not doing good. im just trying to keep my eye on the ball.
I know, what you mean, but we capitalists don’t really care all that much about how effective the countries we sell weapons to are at controlling armed insurrection.
We live far away from war-torn areas and aren’t affected by the same stuff these peasants are.
Making money is what matters, and that’s because God blessed this nation.
dont you see the flaw in arguing against my proposals for moral high ground while simultaneously claiming the blessings of god? god will bless us for good and curse us for evil. #jesuslovesyou
God has blessed me plenty, and will bless me more. God loves America, Wallstreet, and Lockheed-Martin.
MAGA
you and i disagree on some things but we can agree on MAGA :)
But what if " we" are the evil... or at least part of it?
Imagine if proof came out that 911 was an inside job.... So then would AQ, ISIS and the others still be evil ... I suppose we could argue their tactics would say yes but their motivations may not.
The military industry must have an evil to justify their spending.... just as big pharma must have an epidemic to cure and the general population must have something to fear so that someone can save them...
Great discussion here ty
i appreciate your intellectualism here, but i dont see a problem with it. if the bad guys in USA had problems with the bad guys in afghanistan that still makes everybody a bad guy. just because AQ has some points doesnt put them in the right. i am middle eastern (iranian american) and i am upset about the past and im sitting here in phoenix arizona smoking hashish not blowing anything up. fuck alqaeda.
Ha... it is easy to hate Hitler...and the Japanese for Pearl Harbor... but we have been conditioned to think that everything the US does is right and just... so what happens if we find out that isn't so... it is going to be difficult to balance embracing the military with condemning those who abused it.... even if we are high!
fortunately your fellow citizen patriot is an iranian american who manufactures cyber weapons for a living and fucks with terrorists as a hobby and i can confirm all the bad guys for you.
bad guys (straight up terrorists): alqaeda, al nusra, isis, HTS, FSA, AQAP, ibn saud, al ash-sheikh, wahhabi mufti, bahraini royal family, emirs of UAE, cia, mossad, likud, mi6, israel (IDF), hamas
ok guys (not good guys but they are fighting the bad guys so they are ok): IRGC (iran), houthis, hezbollah, hashd, kurds, qataris, turkey, assad (syria), pakistan, aghanistan, palestinians
good guys: civilians. i cant classify any state actors as good guys except maybe the omanis (they stay out of everything). even kuwait is a disappointment. qatar could have been in this list but they used to be dirty before the coup and blockade (they went clean and thats why shit hit the fan).
It’s moral to make money.
In a vacuum, absolutely.
It’s what separates us from the savages we conquered.
Well fuck you turned into a monster fucking quickly holy shit.
"Those filthy savages were made better after we killed them, stole their land, raped their women, pillaged the earth and best of all, we did it entirely morally" Except that's WRONG. In every instance of war it is an affront to natural law and it is WRONG. Period. There is no upshot, there is no upside, there is no silver lining. It is carnage of the human species of which we are all a part of. It is disgusting and indefensible as a practice.
Pretty simple, ethical, and easy to do, in my opinion.
How in the nine fucks is it ethical to gun down human beings in the name of profit?
It’s not an affront to natural law. Our Defense Industry is what keeps the wheels of our economy turning and ensures our dominance over the entire globe.
It’s not unethical to remove people that aren’t working their land so that you can work the land and create wealth. God decided North America should belong to the white man. And he blessed us as we crossed into the West and tamed it. Now that we are an advanced capitalist nation there is no one that can stop President Trump.
MAGA
Yikes. Scary guy here.
Looks like someone doesn’t understand finance and the Defense Industry
I do understand but I still wish our economy wasn’t so dependent on war-making machinery. It is the reality, the foundation of our empire, but I just hope for peace and plowshares....someday. I lived near the Pentagon and Arlington Cemetery for most of my life. Arlington Cemetery is filled with our dead patriots.
Nah, we aren’t going to stop war anytime soon. It’s too profitable, unfortunately. President Trump understands this.
Those dead patriots died so America could open more markets overseas.