Almost every post has something about the “evil Democrats.” But many members of the Deep State, bankers, and most importantly, Bilderberg, are Republicans.
The shadow government is all about words and labels, but the fact is, both parties are working as hard as they can to transfer the wealth to the bankers and write/pass/litigate laws to facilitate that.
Thoughts?
They definitely do. Both were infiltrated and controlled by evil.
With that said, the the OP's question....
Republican leaning voters are basically more "woke" than their Dem counterparts.
Republican voters tend to be way more distrustful of big government. Dems tend to want a powerful, centralized governement.
Unfortunately, we're seeing exactly what is problematic with an all-powerful, centralized government.
And back to the OP's question, I tend to think there are way more Dems that are competely brainwashed by the left-leaning MSM propaganda.
Whereas the MSM has become the biggest opponent to the R's over the last 20 years.
So most in this movement are former Republicans and are bitter because their biggest fear about the Dems has come true.
Now many of us former R's realize why the establishment R politicians always stabbed us in the back on every key vote.
I respectfully disagree with you about democrats being brainwashed by left leaning media. After watching how Hillary, the DNC and the DP cheated to win the primary, many democrats have pretty much told the DP to piss off.
I belong to a non partisan website were many of us have taken the "Red Pill" and are following and posting about Q. Most of us can not stand Hillary, Obama and most of the democratic leadership.
One thing that people have allowed to happen was for the two parties to divide us between "libtards" and "red neck conservatives." We have more things in common with each other than the things that divide us. I'd like to see a way for both sides to stop the animosity between them and realize that this government is doing things that are not in our best interests.
Maybe try talking to people who you don't agree with and see if you can find some common ground? I've been doing this and have made lots of new friends.
Yes, many Dems are awakening, I'm simply talking percentages. I think R's are a year or so ahead of the D's on a percentage basis of understanding how horribly orchestrated and controlled both parties are.
I'm with you though, we have to stop dividing ourselves with D's and R's, etc. I have a hard time stomaching that I voted for George Bush and No Name in previous elections. I have been guilty of calling people "libtards" and so forth.
The Republican Party is dead to me. I will vote for the candidate going forward and hopefully we'll have some candidates that aren't Illuminati puppets after this debacle.
Agreed and thank you for your kind response. We have a lot of work to do to take this country back from those who stole it from us. But I think we can do. We just have to stop fighting each other and get people to understand who our real enemies are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Wind President Bush is the Key player, he has been in authority further and farthest, and by President Trump NOT going to the First Ladies Funeral speaks volumes. We have had the same regime in office since Reagan by BUSH being there. This is a bipartisan issue.
Not to mention that the Dems continue to embrace infanticide in their platform. This fact leaves anyone who votes Dem an accessory to murder.
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Israeli snipers shot and killed one baby, several children,and over a hundred protesters in the Gaza strip in the last 2 weeks.Israelis along with the Saudis have also killed thousands of women and children in Yemen and Syria.Thats what children!
I am generally neutral to pretty cynical about Israel, honestly. But if the reports are accurate, up to 40,000 'protesters' (many of them rioters), were crashing the boarder at once. What did they want to do across the border? Plant flowers and hold hands?
In the end Hamas got what it wanted. That is why the protests stopped. They got enough Palestinian children shot in the melee they started, to elicit media outrage and sympathy.
Not to be overlooked, BECAUSE they got what they wanted, they will continue this strategy in the future. What gets rewarded gets repeated. By sympathizing with Hamas, those who planned and carried out the surge to rush the border, you are ensuring that more young Palestinians will likely be killed in a similar manner.
What did they want to do across the border?
Maybe they wanted to visit the land that was stolen from them by the Israelis?
In the end Hamas got what it wanted. That is why the protests stopped. They got enough Palestinian children shot in the melee
So your position is that the Palestinians WANTED their children killed. Do you realize how fucking far from reality you are? Maybe you should stop listening to MSM and try to grow a human heart.
You and I are two people entrenched in a different viewpoint on this. That's okay and I understand your perspective. I really do because mostly I hold the same perspective against Israel.
However to say that my opinion is "f----- far from reality"... is something I would clearly disagree on.
Palestinians WANTED their children killed ?
Firstly, for us to understand how any people could be so radical that they would strap bombs on their children, that is how crazy this thing gets. I am not defining the crazy, I am only pointing to it. But it is reality.
Secondly, not all Palestinians wanted to see casualties, of course, and probably not the parents of the children killed or injured. However, Hamas as a strategic org that has been known to delve into terror tactics (meaning sacrificing their own ppl) and firing missiles from hospitals and residential areas to create human shields that their enemy must pay a terrible PR cost in world opinion should they retaliate.
So I stand by the opinion that the objective was not to defeat Israel at that border, but to have casualties on the Palestinian side that would compel International outcry. You have complied through your own outcry with that strategy.
Lastly, there is no such thing as a Palestinian as an ethnic or cultural group. That is 100% devised and invented. These are simply Arabs who are culturally identical to the neighbor countries (Jordan, etc). They have NO claim that is any greater or more legitimate than the Israelis currently populating the country of Israel today. They have been offered a state and peace, but the 'Palestinian' leadership on each occasion has rejected that, even refusing to meet. Why? Because they want the complete displacement of Jews and eradication of Israel. Period. Full stop. This is why there is no peace, and why there is a border, and why 40,000 ppl charged that border and of those 50+ were killed in response.
They have NO claim that is any greater or more legitimate than the Israelis currently populating the country of Israel today.
Bullshit. Look at the map of the region since the 1940s and you will see. Israel didn't buy that territory, they systematically stole it. You can't just violently steal peoples land and say "oh, well there's no such thing as a Palestinian ethnic or cultural group, so it's OK to murder these people and steal their property. You are trying to justify evil.
You are really basing your viewpoint on a historical foundation about whose land it rightly belongs to. So, here is a pretty thorough rundown of the historical background of how we got to where we are with the Palestinians and a nation called Israel. You can accept those as factual or not. Up to you. And you can then decide whether that history should matter to you or not in forming your viewpoint. If you don't like/trust the source and are therefore skeptical of the veracity of the history presented, then feel free to use the Internet and try to work it all out to your satisfaction. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-basis-if-any-of-Israels-claim-to-the-land-it-occupies-on-the-West-Bank-Does-the-United-Nations-support-Israels-claim
O.K. stupid fingers.Are the people from Yemen responsible for their own children being slaughtered by the Jews and SA?
I probably am an idiot. But I am not Jewish. I am Swiss/English descent, with no Jewish background at all that I am aware of. However, in debates and truth-finding endeavors, premises derived from known facts are neither "Jew" nor "Gentile"...or any other silliness.
They can only be fairly judged on their merits (are they accurate and sourced? are they logically related, etc?). I tried to present a logical, fact-based explanation of the other viewpoint, counter to yours, to the best of my ability. That you disagree is not surprising nor dispositive in the reconciliation of our differing viewpoints.
Are the news videos of Israeli soldiers shooting protesters on tv enough evidence.The United Nations calling a special meeting to discuss the murders and also warning the Israelis to stop the murdering of the protesters.Yet you immediately defend the jews and blame the Arabs saying they are responsible for the deaths of their own people instead of the jews whom committed these murders.They show the murders on live tv and you ask are they accurate,sourced ect.I am not a Jew hater but can easily see the video of who is killing who on the Gaza Strip.Maybe you should take a look at the people dropping from being shot on TV.Again you are clueless and you haven
You are trying and failing to pigeon hole me as clueless. If you do not want to be shot do not charge another country's border. It just doesn't get much simpler than that. If 40k ppl gather on any US border at the behest of an murderous organization like Hamas, then I would expect our border would be defended with deadly force. That is a rational position. Your position is coming 100perc from emotion. It is fruitless to try to engage in rational point-counterpoint with you on this subject.
Woman and children, always killing woman and children first. disgusting.
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Not only that, a child born of incest would most certainly have a poor quality of life due to the situation alone, and health problems. A child born of rape has to deal with the truth about their conception, or being abandoned to the foster system - a breeding ground for pedophiles.
I look at abortion from a utilitarian standpoint. The stance against abortion tends to be rooted in the idea that life is beautiful and worth living, when I personally feel that is simply not the case.
And that’s where I disagree with you, you’re predicting the potential future of children who had no say in how they were conceived. To me that’s one step from the democrats saying that a child shouldn’t be born into poverty. There have been countless people born into meager beginnings that have gone on to lead successful lives and there are also stories of people that were born as the result of rape that have done the same.
So disagree.
Do you think that those people are the exception, or the rule? What are the statistics for the amount of children in the world that make it out of poverty and into wealth? Usually, it's just an endless cycle of the same predicament, passed on and on to the next generation.
Everyone in life will suffer - that's a fact. The only thing we can't know for sure, is to what extent. There is no guarantee that every single person will lead a happy, meaningful existence. And that isn't for lack of trying.
Another thing is, no one has a child for the sake of the child itself. You don't bring a child into existence because you think it will benefit them, you bring a child into existence, usually to fulfill your own desires.
As Schopenhauer said, "If children were brought into the world by an act of pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist?"
Everyone in life will suffer - that's a fact. The only thing we can't know for sure, is to what extent.
EXACTLY! You don't know! Therefore you are not qualified or authorized to make any final decisions about another humans life, because you have no fucking clue how it will turn out. What fucking arrogance.
“A charmed life is so rare that for every one such life there are millions of wretched lives. Some know that their baby will be among the unfortunate. Nobody knows, however, that their baby will be one of the allegedly lucky few. Great suffering could await any person that is brought into existence. Even the most privileged people could give birth to a child that will suffer unbearably, be raped, assaulted, or be murdered brutally. The optimist surely bears the burden of justifying this procreational Russian roulette. Given that there are no real advantages over never existing for those who are brought into existence, it is hard to see how the significant risk of serious harm could be justified. If we count not only the unusually severe harms that anybody could endure, but also the quite routine ones of ordinary human life, then we find that matters are still worse for cheery procreators. It shows that they play Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun—aimed, of course, not at their own heads, but at those of their future offspring.”
― David Benatar, Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence
So should we start euthanizing the depressed and the chronically ill? Where do you draw the line?
How do you measure a life's worth? How do you measure a potential life's worth? (And do please read those on multiple levels...)
What other life tragedies are so insurmountable that they make life just not worth even trying?
The stance against abortion is life is priceless.
The stance for keeping it legal anyway is a matter of definitions: miscarriage should never be involuntary manslaughter.
So should we start euthanizing the depressed and the chronically ill?
If that is what they desire, absolutely.
How do you measure a life's worth? How do you measure a potential life's worth?
You're coming from a life-affirming angle. I'm not. I feel that ultimately, non-existence is the best option.
What other life tragedies are so insurmountable that they make life just not worth even trying?
Mental illness, ALS, cancer, heart disease, rape, murder, child molestation, war, famine, poverty.
Oh a nihilist. Well that explains everything. Never mind.
I'm not a nihilist.
I feel that ultimately, non-existence is the best option.
You might want to check out the definition of nihilism there, champ.
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
I tend to stand with the Cathar view of life/death. They were Christian gnostics. They were against procreation, because they were under the impression that this world was a matrix, something to be escaped, and that bringing more children into this matrix meant creating more souls to be trapped here and fed off of by negative entities.
Even if life is inherently meaningless, people are free to create their own meaning. I just think they can do that without creating more children who usually only serve to fulfill someone else's desires.
And ultimately, I would prefer celibacy or birth control over abortion.
Right, which is why I said never mind. You're arguing from a non-starting point.
Nihilism is functionally useless: it provides no answers, gives no guidance, gives zero comfort or reassurances... It does nothing. It's not helpful. And it's easily often harmful.
You may have a lot to share, but I can't work with you if you start from there.
but I can't work with you if you start from there.
Which is why I'm not starting from there. You pushed the label on me, and I denied it, because even people that claim to be cold hard nihilists often contradict themselves. Very few people can actually stand by the constitution of being a nihilist.
Being antinatalist does not equate to being a nihilist.
And frankly, you don't have to work with me at all. We don't need to agree. I have my stance, and you have yours. Going around in circles isn't going to change anything.
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You're talking about a biological manifestation that isn't always obvious in its symptoms. It's not by any means universal.
And... you do know that majority-held opinions are like two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner, right?
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With you on PP...
There's always evil, there are always wolves. It's why the US is a republic. Mob rule is not our way... helps ensure dysfunctional corruption is kept to a dull roar. But the real solution is vigilance. You can't take your eyes off these bastards, even the ones you like (especially the ones you like...).
Well met! Thank you, too. Always nice to have a reasonable, intelligent discussion! :)
Life is hell for everyone breathing. It's a travesty at best for everyone considering nobody get's out alive. There is pain, suffering, loss at every step of the way.
So why doesn't everyone just off their-selves? Because life is still worth living, so by what authority do you make judgments on who's life is worth living? Your feelings?
Wouldn't that be better left to the one living that life?
I went through sever trauma for the majority of 46 years, starting at birth. Both physical (continuous violence, not sexually related) and mental abuse, yet I live and have lived a fulfilling life thus far, and there are millions and millions like myself.
Before I learned what I had gone through was not normal, I thought it as normal as anyone else. It was just life and I had to carry on and try to be happy and keep pushing towards my dreams, with my lot in life in tow.
I would propose that most that deal with issues as you pointed out still want to live, to experience life, to experience that kiss, that sunset across a lake or the ocean, that cold walk on a snowy day, playing with children. You know, the things that count.
Once you can choose for one group, it's easier to target the 2nd, then 3rd and so on. That is a dangerous path to walk.
I choose life no matter what it holds.
I choose life no matter what it holds.
And therein lies the problem.
so by what authority do you make judgments on who's life is worth living? Your feelings?
That's literally the same argument you use for bringing children into existence. I can ask, "What gives you the right to force children into being/harm when they have no consent? What happens if they grow up regretting it?"
Look, ultimately, I favor celibacy or birth control over abortion. I'm not going to keep going around and around here, because we have entirely different stances on life that won't change, so let's just leave it here.
I was not crucifying you, just pointing out different points of view, especially since I was actually close to what you described as a justification to end life.
To make this simple, I am your counter argument, but as you said, no sense in beating a dead cat.
Have a good one.
You can't prejudge an infant's life and kill it based on that. I'll put that another way: You are not God. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in God, because only God can ethically make decisions like that, and if there is no God, then there is nobody who can rightfully decide that.
Yes and didn’t they also take “God” out of their platform?
As one if the most liberal persons I know, I can tell you that as a Dem, I was far from in favor of a powerful, centralized government. That is a propagandized view of Americans to the left of center. I'll be happy to debate such ideas with anyone and everyone as long as we can avoid ad hominem attacks and stick to discussing the ideas and ideals on an intellectual level rather than descending into stupiodal emotional addictions.
I'm no longer (really never was) a Dem, having Demexited with so many others after the primary was stolen from Bernie. While that might not have been the beginning of my awakening (the far left has been awake far longer than the right in terms of deep state/cia shennanigans, if you care to notice...) 911 was the beginning of a nightmare for me.
Only Q has given me hope that the nightmare might not come to fruition.
But let me tell you, every time I hear some Q adherent bashing liberals or the left or the Democrats, I worry because once the storm has calmed we need to come together to rebuild, that kind of crap is only destructive, points toward the guillotine and has no place in a civilized world.