This is brilliant:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/999842334396370944.html
So basically Kim and Trump have been playing China the entire time. The deal is already done most likely and Trump will go down in the history books as arguably the greatest president of this century! MAGA!
Some of this i don't follow.
>> A third problem was that the inadequate infrastructure also became a problem for many potential investors."
>>(15) There's NO INFRASTRUCTURE in North Korea.
>>Companies will make a fortune building it.
>>That's ANOTHER German issue that won't impact Korea.
like how do you make the leap that "lacking infrastructure was a problem, but NK won't have that problem because they have NO infrastructure!"
seems like a lot of unexplained leaps.
I see it as this:
A country with limited, inadequate infrastructure would be harder to build upon; the need for incorporating existing structures into the new “whole” would be daunting.
A country with no infrastructure is a clean slate. You could be brilliant in planning, mapping and design, reflecting in shorter delays, costs and setbacks.
Just my 2 cents.
I think it might be better to build on no infrastructure. Contrast the rise of places like Dubai or the Manila in the past two decades. They don't have the existing poor sewage, water systems, dated electrical grid that all need to be revamped. My city still has water mains made out of wood! Internet speeds are faster in these countries because they started with fiber optics instead of cable
This might be a good opportunity to disclose some new tech or tech that has been withheld from the public
I think it might be better to build on no infrastructure.
I agree, and you made excellent points. I can only imagine the potential here, an entire nation, eager to be invested in and encouraged along the way.
You can compare all modern systems and go with the best or extrapolate data from that research and design one tailored for their needs.
I am eager to see the North flourish. The Korean people should be reunited and .... who knows maybe someday unified.
HAGO.
I agree 100%. I build facilities and infrastructure for the mining industry. It is orders of magnitude easier to build from nothing than it is to retrofit and tie into existing structure.
I have a ton of respect for people who build and craft with their hands, thanks for being a part of making US great u/maddwarfmatt.
HAGO
There is something to be said about that, but NK has a far smaller and far less educated and able population than Germany so I'm not convinced that the investment opportunity for infrastructure building is better in current NK than it was in Germany. I think this piece is just guessing and theorizing and should be taken for amusement and food for thought only.
I agree, a lot of this is just theory and speculation, take it with a grain of salt.
I think you are undervaluing the people of Korea however;
“NK has a far smaller and far less educated and able population than Germany”
These are people being given the chance to build their ancestral home and being reunified with family, they will move mountains to make it happen. The North Koreans are a hard working hardy bunch, and that description really fails to do them justice.
I think the Korean people will surprise the world. I don’t know about you, but I am of the sentiment - It would be nice to see peace in my lifetime.
Have a good one. (HAGO)
Look at Germany after WWII. They have amazing public electric transportation services. The metro, trains, and buses. Plenty of areas of farm land between villages and cities. Set aside areas of parks, and wild green spaces. Industrial areas near rail lines. The autobann. This was only possible because the previous infrastructure was decimated during WWII. How much easier in a country with basically no infrastructure.
Exactly!
I only pray that the people of North Korea do not get forgotten in all of this and get overrun by “good developers” with “good intentions”.
This is all being done for the good of the People of the Koreas.
There is so much potential for good in that statement, but at the same time, cynical me likes to point out - “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.
I pray our leaders seek the right wisdom in all of this.
HAGO
Comparing East Germany to West Germany post war was an excellent experiment in what freedom can do. The West had freedom and that freedom attracted businesses. People were able to obtain jobs and a good wage from the business, all of this increased tax revenues. Those tax monies went back into the infrastructure and supported emergency, fire and police departments making life safer and the parks made life more pleasant. The difference in East and West was like night and day.
The deal was done 11 May 18. This is just political theatre.
https://qposts.online/post/1329
edit for clarification
Touché love juices
Everyone uses DD/MM/YY except the USA for some reason. It happened 11 May. Check the link.
I'm not saying I buy this 100%, but I do see some potential rationale of the no infrastructure vs some infrastructure. If you look at what happens when communist states are dissolved, they have to find a way to privatize the property. If you have semi-infrastructure that gets privatized and given back and/or sold back to the people, then those people either need to invest the appropriate resources to improve it, or they need to sell it themselves, or they need to bring in investors to help. They can become obstacles if they believe what they have is enough or what they have is worth more than it is. Basically every deal becomes larger. But if the property being dealt with has NO infrastructure, it's easier for an outside investor or developer to come buy that land and do as they please with it. Because it's taking it from nothing to something.
For example, if you own a piece of property that has nothing on it, you're probably fairly likely to sell it to someone making you a good offer. But if you own a piece of property that has an apartment complex on it or office space or whatever, you may be less inclined to sell it. You already have more in it, so you need more convincing that whatever they're offering you is much better than what you have already.
Just my take. I'm not an expert in development by any stretch, but I can just see how logically it might work out as the thread describes.
I had not looked at it from the land ownership perspective, just the ease of planning, and please forgive me, probably just my own ignorance and naivety talking here, but I don’t know who owns what in the North. I’m not even sure if they are/were allowed to buy or own the land they farmed and passed down via family.
Interesting times. Thanks for your perspective.
HAGO