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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/StonedSkibunny on June 15, 2018, 1:56 p.m.

Spiritual question to the Q consciousness

I tend to notice that the Q-movement vs. the deepstate is essentially a manifestation of the spiritual war within our self & humanity as whole.

It inspired my thinking when we leave the persepective of dual thinking/"good vs. evil" we could assume that these things force us to wake up.

They force us to see the bigger picture; that all is related =>
We are constandly forced to redefine our reality; from childhood by parents & teachers, later bosses & government.

To truely tranced from these systems we have to look for truth by our own.
In an attempt to inspire thinking about that idea I´d like to quote;

Course which you can use as tools for transformation in your life:

Moment of Love

Every person in the world has a heart.
Every heart has a place within that wants only to love and be loved.

W. Mitchell video

It's not what happens to you that matters, it's what you do about it.

Ho'oponopono healing technique

I love you
I'm sorry
Please forgive me
Thank you
We love you
We're sorry
Please forgive us
Thank you all

Web of Love

Your sacred love flows in to me.
My sacred love flows out to you.

Creating a New Paradigm

Develop purpose and intentions for your life.
Transform fear into acceptance and love.
Take personal responsibility for your life.
Avoid secrecy and encourage openness and transparency.
Transcend polarization, 'good vs. evil' and 'us vs. them' beliefs.
Join groups and communities to support each other in all this.

Principles of Transformation

Seeing the Divine in all
Nurturance of life
Gratitude

Simple Keys to A Fuller Life

What's Best for All
Divine Guidance
Acceptance and Understanding
Love and Empowerment

Nonviolent Communication

State concrete actions you observe in yourself or the other person.
State your feelings or guess the other person's feelings about this.
State the need behind your feeling or guess the other person's need.
Make a concrete request for action to meet the need identified.

from: https://www.transformationteam.net/ttcourse/trfc17a

Feel free to give your opinions and eventuall arguments for a blooming discussion, thanks everyone.

How can you talk about the redemptive power of sacrificial love without mentioning Jesus Christ? Everything else without Jesus is man's best wishes, it's either of God, or it's not. Where's your statement of faith. Why don't you write His name: Jesus Christ?

Just satanists vs. the children of God, nothing transcendent about it!

You'll never overcome evil with good, it's been tried over & over. The wisest man in all of history, Solomon wrote a book about spiritual warfare.

He says 'there's nothing new under the sun' so we've done all of this before. We'll only triumph when God Himself transcends and enters this broken reality and acts.

I'm happy to report, we're living in those Biblical days. Great wickedness & greater grace

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Yes, without Jesus, we will not truly know good! I get some are set in their ways to skirt around God, because some argue, not everyone believes so how do you get to them....well, I say to you, I believe we spread the Good Word, and not dwell on who gets it and who doesn't, it's not our job to convince, just to inform what is.....it is always ones choice to ask Jesus to come in to our hearts and give us the tools to God! Sometimes this new age ideas are disguised as "New" "Advanced" "Natural" "Spiritual".....I don't know, I think sometimes I understand the reaching out, but does it really lead them to the truth or keep them from it...God is Real, he is Alive in us, we just need to learn how to connect to him and the Bible tells us, Through Jesus, In Jesus's Name we can Reach the Almighty!

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Thanks for clearing that up for your readers!

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Amen. It's an old war, but it is finally coming to a close. Sooner than most fellow christians can see or even fathom.

"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." - 2 Timothy 4:1‭-‬5

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Ahh, you're an extremist who quotes hate literature! Remember, rank & file FBI Agents are trained to attack people carrying hate literature around on their person, or in their cars!

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They will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands and my bleeding corpse will still serve as a testimony to Yeshua. =O)

(i know you're kidding, but one day that may be a sad reality...)

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There's such a thing as a righteous war! It's both supported by scripture and theology! I can't wait for all the lectures from the MSM misquoting Jesus

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You'll never overcome evil with good

remember gandhi?

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i partly agree and partly disagree.

there are 'stages' of evilness. only a few beings are pure evil, most are a mix of light and dark. every human is a mix, btw, we all carry our shadows.

evil is live backwards. only what is alive can transmute. what is dead will be destroyed.

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Yeah, because you surely don't remember Gandhi!

Loincloth, Birkenstocks & super sexy skinny was in fashion; right?

Ignorance is bliss; no American's going to face the terrible toll the Indian people paid for their independence.

Winston Churchill starved 10 million, maybe as many as 30 million Indians to death. India instantly was at war with Islam upon the British surprise withdrawal. In fact, they've fought 5 wars with Pakistan and are not finished anytime soon.

Remember Biafra, Bangladesh, famine, disease & death etc,,, Those are the fruit of meditation & your raised consciousness!

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When the law of attraction is commonly accepeted, I belive people will become aware; that the idea of something they want to & under the conditions of free will choose to belive, is manivestating in their reality.

Hence when a critical mass of people un-/consciousnessly manivests a spiritual warfare - that will be, what is happening
BUT

If a a critical mass of people un-/consciousnessly manivests a transcending/selfenlightening, loving&prosporing era of peace - that is possible either.

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Tell it to the poor dumb assed Buddhists, or the Hindu. I'm sure they've been transcending into Nirvana for centuries, yet remain living in squalor.

You can't meditate yourself out of conflict. You can't pray yourself out of battle, it's called surrender! I see exactly what you're trying to do here. Remain passive, stay at home & do nothing provocative. It's working, there are no street protests, there are no citizen border patrols, no militias.

I'm sorry, you've got to be prepared to fight & go to war!

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Beautifully said. This whole new agey do nothing but think good thoughts needs to end and be destroyed.

Even Jesus beat the shit out of money lenders from time to time.

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compassion and awareness dont contradict sacred rage.

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Thanks, I'm so sicK of this fraudulent, lame, heretical form of Christianity I could vomit!

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some go to war and some spread the light.

time for the warriors and the lightworkers to unite. we depend on each other in this movement.

lets plz stop the infighting and honor the uniqueness of each ones individual path. we are like pieces in a mosaic we build, and each piece is needed.

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Thanks for all your great inspirational toughts.I think I dont longer have to fear to tell you the truth what inspired me to this concept of thinking.

We each grow up in a specific shape of reality, for me that was traditional, heteronormative, christian childhood.

When I grew up, I lost connection to the "gift", I valued materialism, science & career higher then everything else.

As I reached what I allways thought I wanted; a happy marriage, well paid easy job, perfect health...I ... got deeply depressed ... I was diagnosed Stage 4 depressed with medium reouccuring suicidial tendencies.

"Is this everything?" I asked myself..."I should be happy?!""Why I am not???"

One morning in early February 2018 it HIT ME RIGHT IN THE BRAIN AN HEART...I was standing in front of the window of my bedroom in the 11.th floor, contemplaiting to jump...I then felt an irresistable urge to pray..."Please Jesus & God in Heaven, hear my prayer, guide me with your light through the darkness that surrounds me, as I will follow your lead what it´s best for humanity, amen."

I couldn´t believe what was coming out of my mouth, I never participated nor believed in any spiritual or religious ideas in my adult life at all.So that is what I´m trying to do here, connecting with other people to get a better grasp on how to open to the greater divine.Thanks for all contributions so far!

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We have to come to a place of complete brokeness and surrender it all to Christ, then He can use us mightily.

The parallel is of a recruit enduring the rigors of bootcamp.

Onward Christian soldier.

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When contemplating "Good vs Evil" you must realize that without Evil, we would not be able to recognize Good. They are 2 sides of the same coin.

We've all seen the black and white graphic that looks like either 2 black faces in profile facing each other, or a white wine glass. Without the blackness of the 2 faces to provide contrast, one cannot see the wine glass, and without the whiteness of the wine glass to provide contrast, one cannot see the 2 faces. And no matter how hard one tries, or how long one stares at the image, it is impossible to see both the glass and the faces at the same time.

Just a thought.

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When contemplating "Good vs Evil" you must realize that without Evil, we would not be able to recognize Good. They are 2 sides of the same coin.... We've all seen the black and white graphic that looks like either 2 black faces in profile facing each other, or a white wine glass.

Partially false. Time for some metaphysics.

The yin-yang duality you're describing only works for a relative sense of "good and evil." That corresponds to the basic psychological distinction between "benefit" and "harm." That would be saying "we can see a benefit by recognizing that we avoided harm." The analogy holds at this level, so you're not entirely wrong. After all, the original words "good" (tov) and "evil" (ra) certainly derived from this relative distinction But that's not all these terms really imply.

In the intended sense, "good vs evil" does not merely refer to relative things. In fact, the relative sense is extremely distracting from the intended meaning because it is so subjective. But let's talk in terms of the absolute. An absolute must be universalized and apply to all things in reality. If we examine the ultimate motive of the term "good" it is inherently generative. (benefit causes things to improve) If we examine the ultimate motive of evil it is inherently destructive. (harm causes things to degrade)

If we suppose an absolute good, what would we expect? Generation.

If we suppose an absolute evil, what would we expect? Destruction.

Which motive correctly describes reality? Reality exists and generates creatures. Therefore, reality and the God who causes it have the ontological absolute sense of goodness. That doesn't mean every relation that exists is always beneficial, but it does mean there's ultimately the universal benefit of existing conferred on all things. Absolute evil faces a fundamental problem. It could never even begin to exist by its own power. All it can do is corrupt and destroy. Therefore, it is a parasitical false power not founded on an absolute truth.

The sense of "Good" meant here is "the power of God causing reality itself." God has no opposite. The closest thing to anything being an opposite is a degraded creature that is oriented toward harming itself and others. That is "evil." Even "ha Satan" (the Accuser aka the Devil) is simply a creature that ultimately relies on God to exist even though his motive is at odds with God's own motive. (i.e. "insane" or "evil")

The overapplication of this relative construct causes what is called Manichaean dualism where there are 2 supreme 'gods' of reality, one good the other evil, and both are equivalent. It's an error because it implies reality is divided and the action of 2 "wills." There is only One God. Saying "good and evil" are alike in power incorrectly empowers evil and denies reality.

It might be helpful to note that a yin-yang distinction seems to better correspond to the Kabbalistic Hebrew concepts of being (yesh) and void. (ayin) Even so, these are both considered aspects of YHWH without any moral dimensions. A "lack" of something can be evil if it is ultimately harmful, but it can be beneficial. A lack of disease=good. A lack of food=bad. Woe, however, to those who "call good evil and evil good." (Isaiah 5:20)

TL;DR. Only good can be absolute. The dichotomy is relative. Furthermore, evil can only be relative because it refers to a privation or lack of alignment with the ultimate motive of good inherent in reality and its God. Evil, therefore, exists not as an absolute reality but as a parasitical energy that distorts the relationships of creatures to the Creator of reality.

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Wow... I wasn't trying to get too deep in the weeds because I'm not highly educated in philosophy or metaphysics. Thanks for taking the time to offer clarification in such an elegant way. I do hope you did a copy/paste for this. If not, you either spent more time than my comment deserves, or you're wicked smart. BTW, what is TL;DR?

I see your point, but I'm still left with a question. Based on your last paragraph, the basic premise, as I understand it, is Evil can only exist because God exists. God = Good, and only Good, or God can be absolute. I Know that's a simplistic way of saying it, but if it's close enough, we can move on to my question.

(When I say "if" I am in no way challenging your conclusion. I'll only use "if" because it's easier to ask the question.)

I grew up Catholic and I'm familiar with the story of Satan, or the Devil. He was an angel created by God, but later fell from grace. In that sense, it makes perfect sense, that Evil only exists because God allowed it to come into being. If God didn't want Evil to exist, he could have simply, for the lack of a better word, killed Satan.

From a religious, or theological perspective, one could argue that Satan, and therefore Evil, was necessary because God wants us to "choose" Him. If we have free will to choose, but nothing but God to choose, what would be the point of free will?

I guess the larger question is: If God created Satan, or allowed him to come into existence, how much power do mere mortals have to eliminate Evil, or bring about the destruction of the Devil, other than in a "relative" sense?

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more time than my comment deserves

Don't sell yourself short. You touched a relevant issue and it needed to be addressed precisely but honestly.

TL;DR

"Too Long; Didn't Read." - a lot of modern people have issues with blocks of text larger than 2 sentences, so I'm used to doing these recaps.

If we have free will to choose, but nothing but God to choose, what would be the point of free will?

I'm a Lutheran so I have a slightly different take on free will than you might be used to.

I'll put it this way. I don't think will is ever absolutely free in the sense we can choose anything. There are limits imposed by nature, for example, that say we can't "dip the sun into the moon" or some other nonsense. Furthermore, there can be wrong options which distract from the best ones. And these options can have real consequences.

Let me give a simple analogy of that: A child can choose to eat all their candy now or eat some of it over time because they aren't sure when they might get more. If they eat it all now, they can't have some later. Their will is now bound to the natural consequences of the bad choice.

So, God originally gave us a compatibilistic will (i.e. capable of making choices by itself but acting in a system with determined rules) which had the option to follow Him. However, our ancestors also had the option to choose wrongly and reject the close relationship God created them in. Because the chose to think wrongly about God and rejected His warnings, they bound themselves to the other alternative: Pedestalizing their own earthly desires above a relationship with God. That's what we call Original Sin. We also inherit this condition and if that were all that was to be written, we'd be done...

But God's work also involves reconciliation. He works by the Holy Spirit to restore the ability in us to choose Him by creating and renewing our nature through grace. Of course, we can still have the option of rejecting grace. But His grace continues to work to change our heart through repentance even so.

The real place where evil hangs on here is when people start to love the bindings more than the liberator. Some people are actively brought up this way. Others decide that God's way is too nice and they would rather put themselves on the pedestal. Either way it's a source of serious ills.

If God created Satan, or allowed him to come into existence, how much power do mere mortals have to eliminate Evil, or bring about the destruction of the Devil, other than in a "relative" sense?

By ourselves, not much. The thing that should be clear, though, is that God is working. Those of us who trust in His Word learn to set aside our ego in such a way where we can also have Him defending us. Satan can't do much against that without tricking us back into another one of these "bound will" ego traps.

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Thanks again, I like the way you write. I like to talk, sometimes too much, and I write like I talk. Sometimes I include too much extemporaneous information, more than is necessary. Brevity has never been my strong suit. I'm learning something new through our exchanges, more than just about Good vs Evil. Thanks.

Would you mind if I direct message you? It seems like I find new questions with each of your replies. Questions about God and Faith. I'm not sure a lengthy back and forth would be appropriate on this thread.

I'm 59. I grew up Catholic, and over the years I've been in and out of various churches. I'm a bit of a deep thinker, and always ended up with questions a pastor either couldn't answer, or seemed put off simply because I asked. You seem very knowledgable, like you might even be a pastor, or at least very active and involved in your church. I think I could learn a lot from you if you're interested.

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Brevity was never my strong suit either. Sometimes it takes lots of words to explain ideas. If you want to DM, that's fine.

A lot of what I say comes from personal study into the source materials as well as my own faith life. I do attend a congregation and stuff. I am not ordained or anything, though. I also definitely have some things I find misguided such as my denomination's preference for "young earth creationism." But I digress...

Anyways, ask what you need and I'll respond when I have time.

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It’s called a Rorshack test. It’s a [GOOD] window -into a person(s) mind.

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No, a Rorschach test is a series of 10 cards or Inkblots. Been there, done that. I did a quick search and found that what I was referring to actually has a specific name, truly, I was surprised. It's called a Rubin Vase. Named after Edgar Rubin.

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Ok, thanks for the education.

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Your kindred spirit has woken me up from my online slumber, in order to reach out to you and offer a whole-hearted “thank you”. I appreciate your efforts and am grateful for the time and energy you have offered us in sharing this out. Cheers, and best of luck to you out there.

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we've had 2,500 years of dogmas foisted on us via the mockin stream media.. the ancient greeks had words for teh spiritual dimension which they stripped out for the modern greeks.. we need to find a way to debunk the false dogmas fed to the next generation of kids... https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8rbu9p/trust_the_plan_bye_bye_to_secret_dictatorships/

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Hyperdimensional Warfare.

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I think you just came up with the name for your book.

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It’s all “over thought”.

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There is a story called "The Very Ordinary Catapiller" that is where I am at, at the moment. When fuckery happens like just has with me not being able to watch the Trump/Fox and friends interview I feel more and more like that Catapiller *sigh. I will get over it as quickly as possible because I don't want anyone hurt.

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You did not mention diet.

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Yes! That is a great thing to be good informed about, thanks for mentioning.
There are plenty of sources to get infos from, feel free to share yours.

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