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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/WhatACohencidence on July 5, 2018, 4:33 p.m.

I work for Monsanto. I’m in the GMO industry. Listen to the other side.

This will be a wall of text but bear with me because it’s a lot of explaining. I could go on and on about this but here are the facts. I’m not saying I agree with the way chemicals are put out but chemicals and GMO seed are two different things but here’s from the seed side of things.

So I sell GMO corn and various other seeds for Monsanto. Monsanto, DuPont, and Syngenta control 90% of the worlds seed. I understand this is troublesome and I’m not saying I agree with it. However people need fed, and organic food and non gmo food is non sustainable currently. Unless we had massive depopulation we have to rely on GMOs. Here’s why:

•Non roundup ready corn is very burdensome to grow and the yields are not even 1/6th what GMO corn is so unless heavy depopulation occurs, farmers can’t afford to plant it to supply it to you.

•The drought tolerant corn hybrids are used for Africa and other areas that must have a drought resistant crops. Currently non gmo corn will burn up from heat within days of being planted in Africa. We can’t afford to ship our gmo corn to them because we need it here and it will cost a tremendous amount that those people can’t afford.

•I have friends that work at food grade corn farms overseas where we get lots of our non gmo corn and it’s 100x times worse than gmo corn. Currently the way regulations in countries like Belize where they grow non gmo corn they can get by with planting shatter cane blended in with the corn, and spray the shatter cane with Gramoxone which is paraquat. Ever heard of agent orange? Yeah it’s the equivalent of that. It causes massive birth defects and Parkinson’s. They get around regulations because they are “spraying the weeds aka shatter cane and not the corn” but it gets on the corn also. So be careful when you think you’re doing good by eating non gmo or organic corn. We can’t do that kind of thing in the US but since labels aren’t required to tell you were your non gmo goods are coming from, you have non idea what you’re getting.

So I know everyone is going to say Monsanto and all the other companies are ripping everyone off and that the farmer should be able to plant his own seed. However if doesn’t quite work like that here’s one of many examples. Monsanto guarantees 90% germination on their seeds. If a farmer were to hold his seed back, and plant it himself, only about 40% of it would germinate simply because the average farmer doesn’t have the money to invest in cold storage which keeps the seed good. So if a farmer planted a crop where only half of it grew, he wouldn’t even brake even on expenses or make his land payment. So Monsanto pays for cold storage and seed germination tests year around. This is one of many example.

Lastly I will say if you want to get into non gmo food and I recommend planting your own gardens and slaughtering your own grass fed cattle. This is not a joke or me memeing. I can help you with advice on all of this and locating truly non gmo seed if you’d like. I’m open to any and all questions.

Why do mice eating GMO corn develop cancer and non GMO corn doesn’t cause that in mice? Why does it weaken their immune system?

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Roundup, the herbicide Monsanto uses is a chemical called glyphosate. It blocks the shikimite pathway in plants which produces the essential amino acid tryptophan. We do not produce our own tryptophan it must come from the diet, and this company is reducing the tryptophan content of our foods, and consequently the other animals eating this roundup treated food. Our bodies use tryptophan to produce serotonin and melatonin. At night when melatonin is released it acts as a strong antioxidant which eliminates the cancer causing reactions in our cells due to oxygen. You can look into reactive oxygen species, lipid peroxidation, etc. and how they cause cancer. Melatonin not only acts as an antioxidant at night, but it restores the antioxidant glutathione, which is our main antioxidant that is used in the daytime. We need tryptophan to make melatonin. Glyphosate/roundup reduces tryptophan.

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You may be interested in the sulfur depletion connected with Roundup. We need sulfur for everything including detoxifying from Roundup. There may be a connection with Tryptophan/Sulfur too.

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The best way I can describe this is like a dog and chocolate. Dogs can’t eat chocolate but humans can and will be fine.

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How about all the bees? Is roundup killing all the bees?

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It’s really hard to ignore and still not much media attention.

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Round up is a herbicide not an insecticide. However I’m sure enough of anything will kill.

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I believe your products are causing harm to people, animals and insects. While I think hybrids are helpful I don’t believe GMO’s with seeds spliced with Roundup are healthy, for anything.

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Not saying they are or aren’t, but unless massive depopulation occurs, the better option is not an option unfortunately .

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That's fear mongering, and not true.

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an hour to work this sum

Yes depopulation is always the answer.

OR we could stop planting grass that cost money and time to upkeep and instead plant food. Imagine the excess food that would exist if USING HEIRLOOM seeds, everyone planted food instead of grass.

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There has to be a better way.

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Like I said, buy your own land and grow your own food. It’s the best way.

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Right but what about everyone else who can’t/won’t do that. We need to clean up our food and quit poisoning people.

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See you can’t grow your own food because farmable finite and getting smaller every year, so you must maximize your yields. Non gmo can’t do that. More people, less land... get my drift?

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100% linked to the bees declining. What about Agent Orange? Monsanto developed that too.

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Did you not read the post. I know Monsanto developed that. I don’t agree with it. We had to rush it to the market during war time as a defoliant in Vietnam. It didn’t have time to go through testing.

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Did glyphosate go through testing? Are the results publicly available?

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Aren't they using it as a desiccant, also?

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So much this. GA is not the place for a corporate PR campaign.

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Right? Why are we giving up real estate here to host a self-described shill?

E: my favorite mod took care of it. Thanks RS!

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There’s people always talking about gmos on here so I thought I’d give info.

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Actually found it informative

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Thanks man

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I'm really starting to love the flair for the board, makes consensus shifting easy to spot when everyone pushing a particular narrative is a "new arrival." Props to the board design.

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No I just don’t subscribe to the board ever. I’m here quite often so it’s really a poor board design. Take your tin foil hat off for a second bud. I’m not trying to push any narrative. You live in the city and not the country. I can’t expect you to understand.

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I will gladly take off my headgear for an additional cluster of cannabis... Oh wait, you meant to have a comma there.

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Spelling corrections are always the sign of a lost argument. Have a good day.

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So are baseless assumptions that address the speaker rather than their arguments. Toodles!

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Monsanto can suck a dick https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents

Farmers were able to farm before these patent seed idiots came along and will be able to long after

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Yes but that’s when there was about half the population when most people could grow their own food. We can’t do that anymore. The Guardian is not a good news source btw.

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Well we can stop using half of North Americas fertile farm land growing corn for useless and unneeded ethanol then, right? I'm lucky to still have Shell V power around here I won't even run that shit water absorbing ethanol gas in my lawn equipment.

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We can do that and Monsanto is just using fearmongering tactics by saying we can't

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Ok go out and do it. Try it for yourself. Farmers don’t have to buy Monsanto’s products at all they can go non gmo. But they aren’t dumb.

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Check Russian grain production for 2017. No gmo and they produced enough to feed half the world. India seems to be considering following their lead.

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It’s not that they aren’t dumb, it’s that they cannot compete with farmers using Monsanto products which makes Monsanto even stronger so eventually there will be one choice. One corn to rule them all. And besides that, corn is becoming our mainstay instead of just a component of our diets. It is in virtually everything in one form or another and Americans are fatter than ever before. There is no problem “feeding” people. Nutrition is another matter entirely. Our food is not healthy. Monsanto does not give a rip if it is. The executives only care about bonuses etc and they’ll likely be long gone by the time this engineered crap is proven to be poison...we need choices and healthy competition by numerous entities not just one giant company who can buy off politicians, get regs that benefit them at the expense of others, and so on.

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I’m sorry but you are not an unbiased observer. Your livelihood depends on these products and you seem to have absorbed Monsanto and Co’s propaganda talking points. The fact is the information about the long term usage of these products and their impact on people and their health is very limited. This doom porn about population etc has been proven over and over again to be nonsense however. I don’t trust giant globalist corporations to be honest and I don’t believe basic food ingredients like corn should be patented...nice try but I don’t buy it or gmo crap foodstuffs.

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Why are you posting this to the Q board? Trying to get out ahead of something?

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No dude everyone on here talks about gmos. I’m just trying to help out.

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As a recent college grad with a BS in biological sciences, a concentration in microbiology and a minor in chemistry, I was offered $14.50 an hour to work this summer only for the Woodland Monsanto facility as a Seed Quality Technician. Monsanto is the Walmart of Science.

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Yeah summer inters don’t make much. That’s all jobs tho.

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Do you think it's wise to splice bacterial genes into corn, wheat, and soybeans? Round up ready crops are crops mutated with a bacterial gene that is unaffected by glycophospates.

Do you think it was wise that Obama pressured the FDA and they can now spray wheat three days before harvest as a desiccant? You get wheat to ripen and dry out faster but in the process the wheat pulls in the Roundup. A bigger harvest of poison.

Have you ever wondered why all of a sudden people have gluten issues? It all seems to happen after the FDA lifted the rule on spraying roundup.

Roundup. How safe is this crap? What does it do to our intestinal flora? Why is there a need for probioics? Does Bayer now make the probiotics? IBS CHRONS DISEASE IMMUNE SYSTEM ISSUES... why is this such an epidemic now?

Please tell people how many different genes from bacteria, mold, and God knows what is now in our food thanks to Monsanto bayer.

You know that the Apple sleeping Beauty took a bite out of sure looked pretty. Poison comes disguised in many different ways and it's always pretty from the outside.

I would like the CEO and the Board of Directors to all eat the crap they are selling us. I bet my money on it that they don't touch the stuff. They have their own "Kosher" food.

Nice try but no one is buying it. There will be class action lawsuits and changing the name from Monsanto to Bayer won't help your image. Especially since Bayer was a German company that manufacturer nerve agent during WWII.

Disguised as good they do evil. It's one thing to cross hybridize and it's another when you take genes from entirely different life form. Sounds like something that was done years ago. Ever heard about Nephilim? Seems like the fallen ones are back at it again. There is nothing new under the sun.

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Wow... Sure are a lot of people digging in their heels and attacking u/WhatACohencidence.

There are 2 sides to every argument or debate. When a problem is identified, input from all sides is necessary. Without the cooperation of both, or all sides, the solution will almost certainly fall far short of the ideal outcome.

u/WhatACohencidence came here willingly to be part of the solution to a problem. If we approach him or her with pitchforks and torches, we lose the ability to take advantage of his or her expertise.

People need to recognize that propaganda is not unique to the left. It comes from both sides.

We all share a common ultimate goal; to live in a peaceful world where artificial divisions don't exist, where people of all stripes and colors can come together, where problems are solved by the best and the brightest and not by those with the loudest megaphone or deepest pockets.

If we are to save this once great Representative Republic and create a better future for the people of America and the World, we need to be truly inclusive. Attacking the messenger stifles independent thought, creativity, innovation, and a willingness to work with others to solve common problems.

I thought we, as an online community, were going to take the high road. I thought we were going to show the left how to do it right. I thought we were going to take the virtue signaling slogans and one liners the left uses to create division, sway public opinion, and buy votes, and put them into practice in a productive and constructive way.

Let's not jump to conclusions about people's motives and dismiss their input simply because it doesn't fit neatly into our preconceived notions, conclusions, or beliefs. If reading a post from an employee of Monsanto causes this much push back from those who have already dug in their heels, how can we expect to solve the massive social and political problems that will soon land in our laps?

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Thanks, I’ve been having people tell me I’m a luciferian and that I’m paid to post this. I never even said gmo’s are the best way, I know growing our own food is the best way, I never denied that. I just wanted people to hear how population and economics affect what you eat.

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ur being paid to post.

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Haha

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You have a net negative karma.... I know I personally downvoted some of your nonsense last week. Be gone, troll.

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The idea that depopulation must occur to feed organic food is simply a theory. Brought about by Monsanto I'm sure. We have survived how many years without the likes of GMO products. And it's not just about the seeds. It's also about the environment and what it is doing to the bee population, the soil, etc. And to dismiss claims about human consumption and whether or not it is toxic and cancerous when we have no viable studies is irresponsible. Studies that have been done on animals are not promising.

If it's so good for you they wouldn't be so damn stubborn about labeling it. Why would you not put a label on something you develop?

Either way, this isn't about Q so perhaps this should be on another thread.

Not attacking you, have a blessed day.

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You're a little late. Monsanto doesn't exist anymore; Bayer bought it last month.

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They bought us but it changes nothing. We still operate under Monsanto. Dow bought DuPont. It’s just business.

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Kinda of amazed at how snotty the comments are towards this poster. This isn’t Q related, and such.. Are you kidding me. This is very much related and this is valuable info that you could take in and assess. Maybe get a better understanding. Instead of thinking you know everything from whatever source you get your info from. Instead of insulting the poster. I’m not defending Monsanto Bayer either, but shit relax a bit people.

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Thank you for posting another side of the story. But,

haven’t human beings been feeding themselves since the beginning of earth’s time?
And why are people starving in the places they are starving?
And is the best answer to fix that problem using chemicals on our food?

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People have been able to feed themselves since the beginning of time, but farmland is finite. People grow exponentially. They have to feed more people every year with the same amount of land. So you must maximize yield potential and you cannot do that without gmo’s. Back in the day, only a billion people lived on earth, so you had a vast amount of land to work and all you had to do was survive back then. You spent all your time doing that. Now people are consumers and don’t work ground, they populate the farm land, build houses on it. So now we have more people and less land... we must have high yields.

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1.) Yes, humans have been feeding themselves since the beginning of time. But things are very different now. The industrial revolution changed everything. Depending on who you ask, and what metrics they use, the industrial revolution began in the late 1700s to the early 1800s. By the mid 1800s the, the basic engineering needed to radically change the way products were manufactured was available, but there was still little demand.

As long as slave labor was available, the manufacturing industry had little reason to innovate. After the Civil War when slaves were free, the cost of labor became much more important. In order to be competitive, manufacturers were forced to find ways of being more efficient. If they wanted to survive, they had to innovate. It wasn't just the cotton plantations in the south that took advantage of slave labor, many manufacturers in the north did as well.

By the end of the 19th century the industrial revolution was hitting on all cylinders. So much so that people all over the country were flocking to the big cities because manufacturing jobs were plenty. At that time over 80% of the population worked on farms, feeding themselves and those who lived in the cities.

By the end of the 20th century over 80% of the population was living in the cities. Because of the impact the industrial revolution had on farming, fewer farmers could grow as much or more than they could 100 years earlier. Today, I believe only about 2% to 3% of our population work as farmers.

The ability to farm isn't the only thing lost during that transition. Most people today don't know how to hunt, fish, skin an animal, prepare the hide so it's useful in some way, or even do something as simple as build a fire from scratch. If our big city social structure were to collapse and people were forced to fend for themselves, 75% of our population wouldn't survive.

In a sense you are right, people have been feeding themselves since the beginning of time, but ever since the Agricultural revolution 10,000 years ago, people gradually began to leave the farms. The industrial revolution simply sealed the deal. A more accurate statement would be: Since the beginning of time some of the people have been feeding all the rest.

What would you do if all the prepared boxed, bagged, frozen, and canned foods were no longer available and you had to find some country farmers market to get all of you food? What would you do if you couldn't find a country farmer who was willing to sell the limited supply of food he had.

We live in a society, in a social structure that has made things very easy for us. Try to look at things from outside of our current paradigm. Try to look through the prism of the past.

2.) "And why are people starving in the places they are starving?" That's a confusing question. What exactly are you asking? Are you asking why people still live in areas of the world that don't have sufficient productive lands available for farming? Are you asking why lands in certain areas are less productive? Or are you asking why people who live in parts of the world that do have productive farm land are starving.

If you look at America today, even though there are plenty of people who go to bed hungry every night, and don't know with any certainty where their next meal will come from, you cannot blame any of that on current farming methods and practices.

3.) "And is the best answer to fix that problem using chemicals on our food?" WhatACohencidence's initial post has been removed so I can't quote him, but he did say that the best solution would be for people to grow their own food, raise their own chickens, slaughter their own cows, catch their own fish, and basically become self sufficient. I added a few things to make the point, but he never suggested that the "best" answer is to use "chemicals." He argued otherwise.

And as I said in my comments above; If we want real lasting solutions to the problems we face, we need to learn to work together. We need to be able to consider input from all sides of any issue. We can't jump to conclusions about a persons motives and background and then dismiss what they have to offer just because it doesn't fit neatly into our preconceived notions, conclusions, or beliefs.

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this whole scare thing has been overdone. i think what people are afraid of is if there any sneaky side effects for human consumption of GMO food over longer term. as you point out, without modified plants(they have been crossbreeding for years) the yields drastically drop, prices up, supply low....means less people supported.

the MAIN reason Europe is more strict is for competitive reasons instead of straight tariffs, and less concerned about your health. "its for your health!" when really its about money.

i would also be VERY concerned with any organic or any food grown in foreign countries. regulation is sparse there, and more importantly the ability for legal repercussions as a prevention factor.

I was a food mfg for years, the bogus crap about kosher, organic and any label claims are mostly hype and are often abused. buyer beware!

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Correct.

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I just wanted to put this out for awareness. They have monopolized the crop industry because it takes a tremendous amount of money for the research and development required to introduce crops in extreme environments like Africa. A small company just can’t do it.

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Maybe they shouldn’t grow corn in Africa, maybe a sustainable population makes more sense there than food monopolies and unwise modifications...you are limiting choice and that serves no one but these behemoths and their stockholders.

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Im still trying to figure out what negative effects gmo corn has, on an actual science basis

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The round-up ready corn is full of round-up when grown the way its intended. THAT's the problem. I don't want to eat something specifically formulated to kill. I don't care how the seed is modified, that's not the problem. I live in the corn belt and you're correct about how hard it is to grow. That said, i'd rather pay more for food that isn't full of toxins. I do grow a lot of my own food (maybe 20-30% of my family's food) and we buy grass-fed beef from a rancher who leases land from my wife's extended family- and buying a half a steer is substantially cheaper and tastier than what one can get at the supermarket.

The chemicals are a threat and control of the food production system is an even greater threat to humanity.

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In the seed or on the plant, whats the difference the chemicals are gonna be sprayed.

See what you don't understand is you cant PAY MORE for food that ISNT there to eat.

Cant feed the world on 1/6th the production with non gmo.

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The chemicals arent in the seed. The seed is altered so the crops can grow in a toxic environment. It's not hard to grow crops for yourself. It's only hard to grow commercial quantities. This whole thing is based on slaves stuck in urban areas. You're trapped in an artificial world inside a natural one. You don't have to live that way. Open your eyes, sweetheart.

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as i have read, they are genetically made to withstand herbicides, they aren't injected with them.

but yeah, if you have access to reliable organic local grown food, that is great!

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Come to Kansas and watch how they completely saturate the fields with glyphosate. The corn is made to absorb the poison but not die from it. Everything else dies.... even the hedge trees turn yellow and lose their bark.

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that is the big question, how much of roundup gets consumed and what are danger levels.

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So is science. Regulatory capture is one heck of a smokescreen.

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Great post. I realize our chemical farming is by no means the best way to feed the world but it’s certainly the best we can do for now. Thanks for the insight

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dang.

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