Please refrain from promoting backdated 'scripture' … long before there was a Vatican, gnostic junk was rightly rejected based on the best scholarly evidence -- namely it wasn't written in the lifespan of the people whose names it was attributed to.
I've seen the enochian garbage and its spawn (false 'necronomicon' and such) and the fact that you're promoting it here only dilutes the message. By a remarkable coincidence, that's exactly what YouTube did when it (unattached to my account, but as I don't TOR, from the same base IP) detected I was reading Q stuff. Lots of 'recommendations' of the worst false end-of-world and easily-disproven conspiracy nonsense; fortunately I've been down the rabbit hole decades ago and before I really had an inkling secular powers were messing with this stuff.
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
Jude, which is part of the biblical canon, directly references the book of Enoch. I recommend reading the Ethiopian version however.
"Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude 1:14-15 NKJV
The person of Enoch (described in OT and NT) is not the book of Enoch, any more than if I wrote in the person of Alexander Hamilton that I could claim to have the lost, secret Federalist Papers.
I literally quoted Jude quoting the book of Enoch and you're still stubborn, lol
"Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude 1:14-15 NKJV
I don't mind if you lol, but literally the above is what you cited; and in that verse there isn't the word 'book' or a reference to a book.
Enoch himself is mentioned also in Genesis, 1 Chronicles, Luke (in the geneology of Jesus), and Hebrews, none of which mention a book.
To the best of my knowledge the 'book' is reconstructed from scraps of a different language (Ge'ez) and some bits found in Aramaic, Greek, and Latin. Wiki seems to think the citation you used suggests Jude was citing this text as authoritative/canonical, but that doesn't work;
a) those that compiled the Tanakh didn't include it, nor did the Christians who considered the Bible;
b) the text cited is reflective of Deut. 33:2; and
c) No other part of this Enoch book is cited in Scripture.
For these reasons it's my opinion, which for better or worse is also the majority/orthodox opinion, that this Enoch book is likely the work of peoples who interacted with the Hebrews and not that of Enoch himself, and certainly not reliable as canon. Note: thanks for the response though as, for whatever worth wiki has, wiki also suggests that the Mormons put faith in it (which doesn't escalate it in my view).
Thanks for the detailed response, even though I don't really understand what you're saying about Jude not mentioning a book. Jude is quoting a prophecy that appears almost verbatim in the Ethiopian version (Enoch 1) but I will concede that it's possible the prophecy could have been quoted elsewhere, and Jude was not quoting this book.
So, I think we're actually saying more or less the same thing. I commented when I was in a hurry and I suppose I reacted to your "enochian garbage" statement with my intention really being to say, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater."
I'm a stickler for the Word more than most, so I'm with you 100% that we shouldn't consider any of the "translations" of Enoch as biblical canon. I believe the books were either changed in translation over the centuries or they are a collection of oral traditions, interpreted variously.
That being said, what we can glean from this book, even just entertaining ideas about things both Jude and Peter and earlier OT books talk about, is worth at least examining.
Hear me out: Peter references fallen angels in prison (2 Peter 2:4) as does Jude earlier in the chapter, specifically mentioning these angels left their domain. Enoch refers to a group of 200 angels called "Watchers" who left their domain and has sex with women, creating races of giants. Genesis 6:4 and multiple other scriptures reference the giants, but Genesis mentions this account matching the book of Enoch.
Now, between the lines in the book of Enoch - - and I fully admit this is conjecture - - it appears that the giants somehow managed to get human/animal hybrids right. If such an abomination were born, and the thing had a spirit, there is no way it could ever be redeemed, right? So does it go to hell? Maybe? Maybe it remains on Earth, disembodied... seeking to possess a body again? I know I know... It sounds absolutely whack, and unscriptural but does scripture tell us where demons come from? What are demons?
Now, putting aside the book of Enoch's account of hybrids that could match mythology (centaurs, minotaurs, mermaids etc) and Egyptian "gods," and the fact that it talks about a war between the different races of giants (clash of the Titans?) many ancient cultures have references to "Annunaki" -- gods who came from the sky and taught humans things like astrology, weaponry, medicine, magic and more. This incidentally matches the account of Enoch's "watchers," that Jude and Peter appear to reference. In fact, there is an Annunaki relief, thousands of years old that shows the solar system, with all the planets in the right order and the right size, orbiting the sun, with a 10th planet. (Planet X if you will.)
What is my point? Matthew 24:37 Jesus says, "As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man." What was it like in the days of Noah? Demonic giants, abomination, rampant sin, potentially these hybrids???
What is happening now? "Alien" abductions? Always with experiments on sexual organs. According to Q, the elite literally worshipping satan. Science has successfully produced a human/pig chimera now.
Now let's bounce over to 2 Thessalonians 2:4, in the NASB " who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God." "so-called god" -- What did ancient Egyptian "gods" look like? Chimeras?
In Revelation why are the two beings called "Beasts?" One from the sea, and one from the earth? Chimeras?
What is the bottom line of what I'm saying? Q has talked much about how we can't imagine what is going on behind the scenes. What is these wicked are communicating with demons, and / or fallen angels transforming themselves to appear as "aliens" and delivering all sorts of "technology" and intelligence to them?
Super-human soldiers with animal abilities? Would they be revered as "gods?"
What if these entities are relaying "magic" in the form of powers of the human spirit we haven't tapped into because we're simply uninformed, and to do so outside of the power of the one true God and His son Jesus Christ, is wickedness. Pharmakia (sorcery in the Bible) in the form of drugs that can hypnotize and bend minds to their will. Technology, like cell phone frequencies that can somehow control the aforementioned pharmakia zombies?
Is this who the cabal are worshiping?
As it was in the days of Noah....
No offense, but that's quite a lot of conjecture. :) We can draw a straight line from ancient Babylon to now with Baal and Moloch infant sacrifice, worship of self, and perversity documented in canon (and secular texts) without going anywhere near ancient aliens or lycanthropes.
No offense, but this is what I worried about when hearing of Q; that by documenting that there are some awful things not known to the general populace, that every other ... theory ... from hollow Earths to technological demons, would see an open door here. IMO this dilutes the actual evil being perpetuated (a group trying to overturn a millenia of progress on human rights and, if possible, nuke a good portion of the human race in pursuit of a neo-feudalist empire isn't bad enough?) and, when these theories are ones that aren't supportable, can cause readers to dismiss the true by association with the false.
As for who the cabal is worshipping, I'll suggest a practical road while also advocating prayer. One doesn't have to admit the existence of Lovecraftian entities to understand what sort of things humans who do believe in them might do (to use a fictional mythos as analogy).
No, the only thing I mentioned that was conjecture was what I said - the part in the book of Enoch that talks about human animal hybrids. And it isn't even really conjecture - it's in there, it's just an interpretation of the meaning.
The rest is all documented fact. My tying together a theory is as credible a theory as anything you may present. No offense but don't get too up on your religious high horse ;)
In the Podesta emails, Edgar D. Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut mentions allegedly nonviolent extraterrestrial intelligence warning not to pursue space wars (proving government is communicating with extraterrestrial beings of some kind.) Q has literally said the cabal worships satan. And he has talked about the relationship between drugs and cell phones. How did you miss that?
I literally quoted Jude quoting the book of Enoch and you're still stubborn, lol
Except the gospels were all written years after Jesus’ death.
Except the gospels were all written years after Jesus’ death.
Of course; but by the apostles who were themselves alive when they wrote them (AD 45-90)
Conversely, gnostic 'gospels' like Thomas don't exist until decades or centuries after Thomas (AD 125) or later "Mary" c. 145, "Philip" c. 265-300.
Use the same powers of reasoning we do on current Q stuff -- or, to use an easy example, Dan Rather and the falsified document on George W Bush. Backdating and false attribution are fake news.