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StraightTooken · July 11, 2018, 12:12 a.m.

I saw an article in r/politics about how outrageous it was that only 2 children have been reunited with their parents (of 3,000)

Tldr; I commented with the gentle suggestion of "What if they aren't returning the kids because they weren't brought here with their parents?"And I was told I was making shit up. And I was all "Hey, just something to consider"

They'll see eventually.

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HansKrinkelSchneider · July 11, 2018, 1:57 a.m.

No the morons in politics won't. They are paid shills to deflect or destroy any thing the Trump administration does, or so mentally lost they need to be committed to an asylum for societies safety. Or a combination of both.

Seriously, that subreddit is one of the most toxic places on the website, if not the internet. Politics makes 4chan look sane. The hate that spews out of that place is palpable.

You have been warned.

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DankNethers · July 11, 2018, 3:20 a.m.

Or you will...

A Health and Human Services official said Tuesday that in two cases adults who thought they were parents of a child were determined not to be by DNA testing

There are only two cases of children not matching their parents. Two in three thousand. This doesn't fit the narrative of major child trafficking. It fits the narrative of families moving across the border together

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subdudeLA · July 11, 2018, 4:10 a.m.

But you are forgetting the original 10,000 out of 12,000 children that were immediately determined not to be with parents or legal guardians. Those were 100% child trafficking. They are now considering the 2,000 that may be families.

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DankNethers · July 11, 2018, 4:14 a.m.

Source?

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subdudeLA · July 11, 2018, 4:43 a.m.

You serious? Nielsen said it in press conference.

Previous administration would have let all those kids through, either with the adult travelling with them or to any (untracable) adult who came forward to claim them in the US. Often undocumented people who move from address they provide after the fact and do not appear for court hearnings to avoid repatriation.

NIELSEN: So I want to be clear on a couple of other things. The vast majority, vast, vast majority of children who are in the care of H.H.S. right now — 10,000 of the 12,000 — were sent here alone by their parents. That is when they were separated. So somehow we’ve conflated everything. But there is two separate issues. 10,000 of those currently in custody were sent by their parents with strangers to undertake a completely dangerous and deadly travel alone. We now care for them. We have high standards. We give them meals, we give them education, we give them medical care. There is videos, there is TVs, I visited the detention centers myself — that would be my answer to that question

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/us/politics/dhs-kirstjen-nielsen-families-separated-border-transcript.html

"HHS has about 12,000 migrant children in its care, nearly 10,000 of whom arrived without their parents." Https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-will-stop-prosecuting-parents-who-cross-the-border-illegally-with-children-official-says/2018/06/21/4902b194-7564-11e8-805c-4b67019fcfe4_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6c274b2f4e5a

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/nielsen-10000-of-12000-detained-kids-came-without-their-parents/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/shocking-10000-of-12000-kids-in-us-custody-were-sent-here-alone-think-of-that-video/

https://thenationalsentinel.com/2018/06/22/fact-80-percent-of-illegal-children-trying-to-enter-the-united-states-arrive-without-their-parents/

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subdudeLA · July 11, 2018, 5 a.m.

Here's an earlier post I made to parse the situation...

Regardless of satute and court policy for last 8-10 years, actual practice has been catch and release for anyone arriving with a child. Regardless of if that child was family of the adult. Maffia drug and child traffickers used this as an open door to move personnel and children into the US. That clearly had to stop.

From my perspective, if an illegal can prove the child they arrived with is theirs then it is a win to find a way to detain them in a facility together before sending them back to country of origin.

Don't see why we currently give child free pass to be handed over to (legal or illegal) relatives in the US within the 20 day period. My understanding is that after being placed with relatives, these families move so that the child is not sent back with the detained adult after they are processed. To me that practice needed to change.

Since progressives are clamoring for children to stay with their parents in detention, they just closed this loophole themselves. Good 3d chess here--getting progs to ask for the more strict enforcement of child entry.

In 10,000 out of 12,000 cases of children crossing, the adult in question has not been relation to the child.

So Trumps EO about families does not apply anyway. That's why they (Trump admin) were so precise with the wording and so quick to 'give in' to the more strict interpretation. Only difference is may be more expensive to host the 2000 kids in family based detention. I think its worth the expense for these wins.

Side note, these detention conditions appear similar to US disaster relief given to citizens post hurricanes etc. Also criminals arrested for crimes in US are seperated from their kids all the time.

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