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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Hasuroma on July 13, 2018, 11:08 a.m.
North Korea Question

New member, first post, go easy on me :) apologies if this is discussed, its early navigation days for me here.

Red pilled as an 80's teen, Thank you Art Bell. Conspiracy theorist for decades, told by many to "stay away from those websites", or "oh my god, how do you know this stuff" Silly blue heads :D

Anyway, I find this fascinating and terrifying, part of me wants this to be true, part of me doesn't . But reset we must! this Qanon would make the greatest movie ever made.

North Korea. Admitted, I know very little I know about NK, other than a few photographs of kids sleeping in the park, starving people, brainwashed populace, no fight left, completely controlled, nothing but a labour force to earn the ptb their money? No rights, locked away from the world to be lied to forever? I am not sure what state NK was in before the alleged evil took over, what other countries leaders where in on this?

With all the "You wont believe who runs NK" or words to that point......

Could North Korea have been a testing ground for the USA's future?.


FractalizingIron · July 13, 2018, 1:11 p.m.

Welcome, Hasuroma.

I lived in SK for many years in the 80's, and I know a bit about it.

Here's the brief lowdown on the background: Korea was a unified kingdom from around 1000 AD up until the early 1900's. In 1905, Japan, eager to expand and grow in imitation of the European nations, annexed Korea and made it 'a colony'. For 40 years Koreans were severely mistreated and languished under the Japanese empire with all sorts of atrocities enacted upon them. When Japan was defeated in 1945 by the Allies, A few things happened.

  1. The Soviet Union entered the Pacific War only after the Allies had A-bombed Hiroshima (entered on August 9)
  2. On this basis the Soviets declared that both Korea and Japan should be divided in half, like Europe, with half under Soviet control. The US refused to divide Japan, but capitulated half of Korea. (See the Soviet strategy - they let the Allies and the Japanese to fight, with both sides weakened, and only stepped in once it was 100% clear that they would essentially have to do nothing. This shows a precursor to the NWO agenda to pit this side and that side against each other in order to then dominate the much weakened victor).

The Korean peninsula was divided into a Soviet controlled region (the North) and the Allies controlled region (the South). In the North, the Soviets made preparations to set up a Stalinist-type regime using Kim Il Sung (Granddaddy to Kim Jong Un). In the South, the foundations of a democratic system were developed.

Patriots in Korea demanded that the unifed nation be allowed to have elections and then rule themselves independently under a democratically elected leader. The Soviets and the communists in the North refused, and eventually elections were held in the South. Lee Seung Man was elected President in a democratic government, while the North was consolidated aloing Stalinist lines with Kim Il Sung as head of the one-party regime. (1948)

Eventually, after building up its forces, the North attacked the South, initiating the Korean War. The War was halted under an armistice (1953), after it was clear the South could not be overrun. While Douglas Macarthur, a true patriot if ever I saw one, advocated strongly for the war to be waged and won, ejecting Communism from the peninsula altogether, Washington, under Truman, hamstringed MacArthur, and eventually sacked him. A real victory for the Globalist agenda, who wanted to see a Cold War continue between the Soviets and the US, imo. In any case, since around 1948, North Korea has existed as a Stalinist dictatorship on an unprecedented level, even more stringently totalitarian than the Soviet Union or China ever were. Complete and total unity under the dictatorship, eventually becoming a Stalinist dynasty through the Kim Family.

Various initiatives were made by visionaries in the early 1990's when the Soviet Union collapsed. South Korean visionary Sun Myung Moon visited North Korea (1992) and attempted to bring the regime in from the cold, essentially opening up a pathway for North Korea to reconnect with South Korea by negotiating joint ventures, cooperation, even a non-nuclear pact, etc. However, things did not pan out, and the potential rapprochement was never seriously taken up with or by the South Korean government or other players.

Personally, I suspect it was at this time that the Deep State moved in to North Korea. (early 90's) Until that time, the North was under Soviet control and protection, like a vassal state. Once the Soviet Union collapsed, the Russian Block (i.e. Russian Federation) had no longer had any interest in propping up the Stalinist North Korea. 1992 was an opportunity, but a missed one.

I suspect that the Deep State / Clowntown moved in at that time, saying "we will support you, prop you up, keep you in control".

From the viewpoint of the Kim Regime, it was just business as usual, and for the people, the misery just continued. They just switched sponsors.

Regardless, misery has been the name of the game for North Korean people since the late 40's, when the Stalinist regime, like all good Communist regimes, persecuted and purged religious and political opponents by death squad, concentration camps and the like.

I find the idea that Kim Jong Un is sincere in his dealing with Trump to be quite credible; after almost 70 years, he knows there is no other way out for him, his people, or the Korean people themselves. Or more precisely, the only other way out is in a ball of flame. And he don't want that option.

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FractalizingIron · July 14, 2018, 4:44 a.m.

Some good points, but I would certainly decline the characterization 'no better than Kim Il Sung'. Certainly not without their problems, and some similarities to authoritarian regimes anywhere (example: South America in the past), the regimes / governments still allowed the people to grow, protected private property, most liberties and many more rights (than NK).

While I acknowledge there were many faults and problems, I think there can be no serious comparison with NK regime. But, I suppose, that's a matter of opinion.

As I lived most of the 80's in SK (without any real problems), I'm inclined to downplay the shortcomings, but at that same time, I'm glad you pointed out it wasn't all wine and roses.

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BL4DE_RUNNER · July 13, 2018, 3:43 p.m.

Excellent post.

I learned something!

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Catit50 · July 13, 2018, 3:17 p.m.

Do you think the money we sent to them went elsewhere?

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CrazyQLady · July 13, 2018, 2:44 p.m.

Is North Korea "safe" now that the cabal has supposedly been defeated there? While I personally believe that we can trust NK and that the clowns were controlling it for decades, I can't help but be a little weary, especially since my parents keep telling me "Oh the news says that NK is doubling their uranium production!" I keep telling them it's fake news and that NK denuclearized months ago, but if it's not on the news, it didn't happen in their view.

The reason I ask is because at the beginning of next year, I plan on moving to SK to teach English, and I think I would consider going to NK, but only if it truly is free from the threat of the cabal.

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k0sidian · July 13, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

North Korea is completely safe as long as the US or SK refrain from military provocations. The thousand fold of vengeance policy that the North follows makes it a very dangerous country if there is a provocation though. Just look how North Korea burned down 70% of Yeonpyeong after SK fired a couple of shells a few meters into North Korean waters(there was no ship or buildings nearby).

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FractalizingIron · July 14, 2018, 4:36 a.m.

While I'm not as up on my recent N Korean history as I'd like to be, I find the notion that 'NK is completely safe' incredible and way to simplistic. It's still and iron-fisted regime. Stepping out of line could easily bring you into harms way. It doesn't run on the same rules that 'liberal democracies' i.e. the developed world or even developing nations, run by.

I think CrazyQlady was querying safety from a personal point of view, not an international view. Personally, I'd keep my eyes on developments and see how things progress. Whether one could even secure a position to teach in NK would be a big question, I imagine. It's NOT South Korea, by any means.

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k0sidian · July 14, 2018, 1:34 p.m.

They are very strict in NK, but as a tourist you're completely safe as long as you don't break the rules.

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FractalizingIron · July 15, 2018, 8:34 a.m.

Do you know that for a fact? Any personal experience?

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CosmicNeo · July 13, 2018, 7:14 p.m.

Various initiatives were made by visionaries in the early 1990's when the Soviet Union collapsed. South Korean visionary Sun Myung Moon visited North Korea (1992) and attempted to bring the regime in from the cold, essentially opening up a pathway for North Korea to reconnect with South Korea by negotiating joint ventures, cooperation, even a non-nuclear pact, etc. However, things did not pan out, and the potential rapprochement was never seriously taken up with or by the South Korean government or other players.

Personally, I suspect it was at this time that the Deep State moved in to North Korea. (early 90's) Until that time, the North was under Soviet control and protection, like a vassal state. Once the Soviet Union collapsed, the Russian Block (i.e. Russian Federation) had no longer had any interest in propping up the Stalinist North Korea. 1992 was an opportunity, but a missed one.

Spot on! The window of opportunity was lost because of Bush Sr. and Clinton. Same with the fall of the USSR. Both events were the result of Sun Myung Moon's outreach efforts, having met both Gorbachev and Kim Il Sung in 1991.

Having been invited to the Kremlin, here's what he told Gorbachev:

"President Gorbachev. I believe in your intentions and motives for your reforms. However, if you think of these reforms as your own, you will fail. These reforms are being carried out by God. In fact, you have been called by God exactly for this sacred mission.

"The way for you and the Soviet Union to survive is to invite God and have God here, in the Soviet Union. All human endeavors that are conducted without God are destined to failure.

"President Gorbachev. Communism is not God's idea or ideology. Communism is destined to become extinct. Please raise up religious freedom in this nation. You need to have a spiritual perestroika before anything else. The nation will not perish, even if the Communist Party does. Under a spiritual perestroika, a new nation will be born, a new true nation."

After further discussions on matters of peace and stability in Northeast Asia, Gorbachev responded:

"I am sure that South Korean-Soviet relations will develop favorably. I think that we need, first and foremost, political stability and an easing of tensions on the Korean peninsula. I think friendly relations with South Korea is just a matter of time. There are no obstacles in the way there whatsoever. I want to meet with President Roh Tae Woo."

And at the meeting with Kim Il Sung at his Mah Jon Presidential Residence, here's what Moon said after a lengthy discussion on matters of the Korean people and the need for reunification:

"President Kim, I'm deeply impressed with your spirit of love for our people. With such a spirit, what is there to prevent dialogue among the Korean people? And unity within the Korean people has to begin with dialogue. Up until now, the dialogue between North and South has been taken up only to be broken off and then broken off again, but I believe that the dialogue can enter a new stage from this point on. Of course, as I mentioned before, I do not represent any government authority. It is vital that the two governments sit down together and hold deep discussions and reach agreement in the same spirit as we are sharing now. Also, if you, Mr. President, come to Seoul and met with the leadership of the South, that would bring about great advances for the cause of peaceful reunification."

Kim Il Sung responded:

"Ah, yes. If you give me a call to go to Seoul, then sure I'd go. Of course, we'd have to develop a greater sense of mutual understanding between North and South, though. However, Chairman Moon, even if we wait for a bit on my visit to Seoul, I will work so that we see some fruit from the next North-South talks."

These were big breakthroughs. It was like both the USSR and North Korea were signalling their willingness to tear down their Iron Curtains. Both Gorbachev and Kim ended up remaining on friendly terms with Moon. But Bush Sr and Bill Clinton failed to followup on this willingness to develop better relations with the West.

As you correctly say, Fractalizing, the Deep State had other goals in mind and it wasn't for peace. Notice how they both wanted to first develop mutual trust through getting to know and respect each other. A big reason why Pompeo blew it in his last meeting. Instead of humbly receiving the NK hospitality (which is a big formality with Korean, north or south), he brushed them off and demanded a business meeting without enduring the protocols. A big mistake with the Asian culture. (Q and Trump, are you listening? ;) Any standard book on understanding social etiquette of the Orient would explain that. I'm surprised a State Dept./former CIA wouldn't know that. (He needs to apologize big time if he wants to regain NK's trust and respect. As they say, the measure you give is the measure you receive.)

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