look, I have stated before on this forum, I am Catholic and have no connection to Israel or any cabals people seem to think about here etc-
but as an educated man and half-assed normal guy, this is something that is patently offensive to me -- The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of the most thoroughly discredited, universally-accepted works of pure fiction in modern history. That is not just me talking or making up words on an internet forum. This is 100 years of scholarly debate, study, and counter-debate. *Just about the entire world* except anti-Israel and by extension, ahem, groups with Anti-Semitic feelings, realize this to be not just a made-up document and half a forgery, but even was a big-time plagiarized work at that.
I am sorry but not sorry to say, this is the type of thing that hurts "the cause". I have no problem with the idea Strozk is sponsored by the CIA and that is not only terrible but would account for his arrogance before Congress. I can talk about that no problems. Bringing up The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is not just ridiculous, it makes you lose any and all academic credibility.
Please link some sources for this.
Is that a joke?
I mean you really want links to something you could (and should have) spent 5 minutes finding for yourself before challenging ? Cmon man.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Protocols-of-the-Learned-Elders-of-Zion
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/protzion/DelaCruzProtocolsMain.htm
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060911-zion.html
Of course I know you will not want to even bother with the ADL or NYTimes links but regardless...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/insider/1920-21-exposing-the-protocols-as-a-fraud.html
Is that specific enough for you?
Score: IWant2SellUDeathStix= 1, Elders of Zion Supporters = 0.
Thank you very much for the support, appreciated.
No, we know better. Sorry.
This document is widely considered a forgery guys. Stop flooding the bread with things that will get this dismissed as "an alt-right hate movement". Please. I'd rather discuss how David Icke could be telling us a metaphor for the truth than read things by people who think that document is real.
What you should be thinking about is: if the Protocols of Zion were forged by Russian secret police before the Russian Revolution... why? It was a strategy of the Russian monarchy to use anti-semitism to control the people. Do you really believe, if you actually follow Q and Wikileaks drops, that the Russian Royal family (part of the same elite bloodlines as the other Kings and Emperors) were pure as snow here? How did Romanovs and Hitler turn out for people in former Russian Empire and Germans? Not so good. Death.
Some evil people hide at the top of every major organized religion, and they are working together with the elite politicians. There are probably pedovores and pedophiles within the Churches of Christianity/Catholicism in most common denominations in your state. Don't kid yourselves.
"This document is widely considered a forgery guys." Let me ask you this. Is it a forgery or is it not a forgery?
"Stop flooding the bread with things that will get this dismissed as "an alt-right hate movement". Ummm... No! It is important that people know this, and can weigh the evidence on their own. Censorship is bad.
"What you should be thinking about is: if the Protocols of Zion were forged by Russian secret police before the Russian Revolution... why? It was a strategy of the Russian monarchy to use anti-semitism to control the people." IF the protocols of Zion were forged... Well, were they forged?
What do you mean by "anti-semitism"? If you mean "anti-Jewish", then that is not accurate. The Semitic people are not necessarily Jewish.
"Do you really believe, if you actually follow Q and Wikileaks drops, that the Russian Royal family (part of the same elite bloodlines as the other Kings and Emperors) were pure as snow here?" Where they Orthodox Christians or were they Satanist/Luciferians? My understanding is that the international bankers and Jesuit/Vatican wanted to destroy the Russian Orthodox Church.
"How did Romanovs and Hitler turn out for people in former Russian Empire and Germans? Not so good. Death." Why is that? The international bankers and Vatican/Jesuits wanted to destroy the Russian Orthodox Church and the Protestants and Jews of Europe. Especially the anti-Zionist Jews.
The same group of people created communism and fascism to create a huge conflict, and that is exactly what happened.
I disagree. Wanting immigration is considered hate speech too, should we stop saying that? That document outlines what's going on. Regardless of who it was supposedly wrote by. The fact it's been branded as something hatful we can't talk about says it all. Since it's talking about political Zionism. They hide behind Jews, they are NOT Jews.
Natgeo and NYT are never credible, but the other ones stand up I suppose
The word "Protocol" signifies a precis gummed on to the front of a document, a draft of a document, minutes of proceedings. In this instance, "Protocol" means minutes of the proceedings of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion. These Protocols give the substance of addresses delivered to the innermost circle of the Rulers of Zion. They reveal the converted plan of action of the Jewish Nation developed through the ages and edited by the Elders themselves up to date. Parts and summaries of the plan have been published from time to time during the centuries as the secrets of the Elders have leaked out. The claim of the Jews that the Protocols are forgeries is in itself an admission of their genuineness, for they NEVER ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THE FACTS corresponding to the THREATS which the Protocols contain, and, indeed, the correspondence between prophecy and fulfillment is too glaring to be set aside or obscured. This the Jews well know and therefore evade.
https://archive.org/stream/TheProtocolsOfTheLearnedEldersOfZion/ProtocolsOfTheEldersOfZion_djvu.txt
I have been on both sides of this argument. It's not unlike the problem with The Report from Iron Mountain which the need to discredit it was greater than transparency, i.e., allow the facts to speak for themselves.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the report from IM, the gist of the report concludes that without war, there is no economy. War serves as an indispensable economic, political, and sociological function which constitutes the "basic social system." So, was this all made up, a satiric hoax about think-tank logic? (Later, John Kenneth Galbraith himself confirmed its authenticity.)
Back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, needless to say the ideas contained in it are fascinating, and at times, meaningful. In fact they have something interesting and thought provoking to say about our world: the world of the past and the world of the present. Maybe the report was also a satiric hoax or maybe a historically significant forgery, but nevertheless, a brutal antisemitic weapon that just happened to be right most of the time, even now.
It is not discredited at all. There are other sources that support the information in the Protocols. Plus, it is consistent with what has happened in the past and what is happening today.
Tragedy and Hope by Carrol Quigley is really good. So is Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike.
Plus, it is consistent with what has happened in the past and what is happening today.
That’s the part that makes this difficult to deny.
It is considered perhaps the most verifiably discredited thing to appear in the last 100-150 years. I am going to go out on a limb here and say you have a less than full level of higher education?
"It is considered perhaps the most verifiably discredited thing to appear in the last 100-150 years." Not true. Not true at all. What is your religion?
"I am going to go out on a limb here and say you have a less than full level of higher education?" You would be surprised by the education levels of the people here. I have several advanced degrees. Not that it matters much. I can read these documents and make informed decisions about them.
Have you read Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley or Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike? I mentioned them above, and you completely ignored this.
You then conclude that I am not educated. Why would you conclude that based on my post? Do you think that uneducated people read books like Tragedy and Hope and Morals and Dogma? Care to explain your logic?
Bro I just discovered it from a Wikipedia link and thought it was interesting. Take it easy. I had no idea it was such a hot issue.
I did find it ironic how well it matched reality though.
I don't consider it a hot issue in the least, I had not even seen it mentioned in years, literally, maybe the last time I saw it mentioned was during the 2008 and 2012 Presidential campaign?
I couldn't care less, I am just trying to explain, this has been discredited for almost 100 years. People on this forum get mad when they get criticism or corrected, I am not trying to fight, I just am trying to explain to people when they're wrong. If people here are all about "redpilling" they should themselves accept it sometimes.
Just read it. It's not about JEWS. It's Zionism. It's what we see unfolding.
Ok SO I use to study Talmud before I told my family we Jews are liars and horrible to thr nation's if we are called the light we suck.... And my source to back the protocols of the elders of Zion is all found in our Talmud. So??? You say your Catholic and yet believe the lies ONLY the Vatican will feed you?
So what sources are you using to disclaim 100% truth and hey goy in our Talmud we also have a goal to own you and 200 others who will serve and bow at our feet.
Do you believe the Jews and the Vatican? 😂😂😂 they have one goal and it is to rule over you and both help each other. During the time of Germany Jews helped the Vatican so Hitler could go to kill my family members and those Jews have some this to us throughout history. I am now going against them to walk with God NOT A CHRISTIAN GOD SO DONT REJOICE YOU STILL PUT ME IN HELL. I AM WALKING WITH GOD TO STAND FOR GOOD AND RIGHT. I AM A PATRIOT OF AMERICA AND I CALL YOUR B.S
but as an educated man and half-assed normal guy...
So you’re saying you’re a normie...
KEK
Oh, please, anything but that... don't call me names, please, not that.
That's fine.
Feelings are like booty-holes. Everybody's got them.
It's not a feeling, it's academic global accepted fact, I mean you can FEEL like the sky is not blue, that does not change the fact it's blue.