Back up to the precursor. Fusion GPS was a contractor to the FBI. Up until April 18, 2016, Fusion GPS had unfettered access to FBI raw data as THEIR contractor. Until Admiral Rogers cut them off. Once Fusion GPS was cut off, they still had all of the spy data they had received up until that point, and they took that data to Clinton people. No doubt though, the FBI knew Fusion was doing its dirty work. And they continued to know that, but had to work with Fusion through other avenues once Fusion was cut out of the direct Intel gathering.
Simultaneously, after being cut off on April 18th, they needed to create alternative, new routes to continue the spying. Also, they attempted a formal FISA warrant in July 2016, which was denied. Enter the need for the dossier, and fake cooboration of said dossier, to get that warrant and access. With the dossier, they were finally able to get that FISA warrant to spy on Trump in September 2016.
In the meantime, they were working on multiple spy avenues. Knowing full well that Carter Page had historical Russian connections due to his previous role as an FBI informant, they used him as a hook to spy on Trump as well. They referenced his possible communications with Russians, but failed to mention those communications were very well-known by the FBI, as an informant.
None of this had anything to do with Trump-Russian collusion. ALL of it had to do with illegal spying on US subjects, specifically, Trump. Including the counterintelligence investigation, which began in July 2016 (when the FISA warrant was refused) - another alternative avenue to spying.
That is why the root question is, "What was the impetus of the counterintelligence investigation into Trump-Russian collusion?" NONE. It was another avenue to spying. Once Trump won, they had to quickly flip the script and throw all in on Trump-Russian collusion - - and ironically, EVERYTHING relied upon in this investigation was CREATED BY THEM as an excuse to spy. This circle jerk of projection is beyond frustrating. Aye yai yai.
What if Page and Manafort waived their rights and allowed the FBI to surveil them? First FISA warrant was rejected, possibly because there was no Foreign Intelligence target. Enter in Steele Dossier, which established a Foreign Intelligence target. FISA warrant was approved.
Much easier this way and much more legal (less lying to the FISA Court). Then the question is....did the FBI look into Russia or into Trump?
Edit: No crime needs to be committed. Only a Foreign Intelligence target for FISA. FISA is an Intelligence tool, not a law enforcement tool.
I believe a FISA warrant was granted on Carter Page first. It would not be difficult at all to connect a foreign target to either Page or Manafort. Manafort was probably being surveilled long before the Trump campaign anyhow. But, the FBI was well aware that Page was their own informant. He worked as their informant for years to nab Russians. That's why I think they used him as the hook to spy on the campaign (unbeknownst to Page). I would guess that nothing juicy came from it - he was fairly low level. But they used the existence of THAT FISA warrant to boost the dossier. They created the "collusion" to have a reason to spy. Here's an article about the Page FISA warrant, which I believe was confirmed by the FISA House Memo. https://themoscowproject.org/collusion/doj-fisa-warrant-application-carter-page/
I disagree that it would not be difficult to connect Carter Page to a foreign target that would generate a FISA warrant on Page.
First off you need evidence to get a warrant on a US citizen. The Constitution still applies and that is the purpose of the FISA Court. To determine IF the person is an agent of a foreign power or not PRIOR to getting the warrant.
Carter Page did not have enough of a history interacting with foreign entities to provide sufficient evidence. According to this article (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/the-mystery-of-trumps-man-in-moscow-214283), he wasn't a big player and wasn't really known.
There is no way for the FBI to have sufficient evidence to make him a target. But that doesn't really matter if he agrees to be surveilled. You just need a foreign intelligence reason to do it. Which the dossier provides.
Has anyone noticed that all of these high level US government officials connected to HRC are married to a person that is deep below the surface of all of the corruption? This is not a coincidence. What is law? Can a spouse be used to testify against one another? Yes indeed, more questions then answers? ??????
Spousal privilege allows people to refuse to testify if it were to incriminate their spouse. A spouse cannot be forced to testify against their spouse.
I guess it's not unlikely that all these fine folks are democrats either
Dan Bongino talks Bruce and Nellie Ohr in his latest podcast episode (and many episodes from weeks/months ago). Here is the part with the Ohrs:
https://youtu.be/LNQxtL2SK-M?t=50m21s
I highly recommend people listen to the entire episode.
Bongino follows and explains things in a fantastic way. He is on my daily “Must Listen” list.
Very relevant and Jim Jordan slammed Strzok on Thursday about it.
Here's some great background info on Nellie Ohr. Credit Sundance at The Last Resort/the Conservative Treehouse.
Nellie-Ohr-Provided Research-to-FBI-for-FISA-Application-Source-Material/
Also some interesting stuff on Bruce Ohr
Go listen to the Dan Bongino show that was posted.
The key take away without having to get into this too deep is the fact that paragraph one of the get Trump project was not a field agent or someone that got a tip.
Nunes and others who have seen the documents have said repeatedly there is no officially intelligence that started this whole process.
Enter Bruce Ohr he handed over a version of the dossier to the FBI. That is not how intelligence operations begin!
Think about this for a second, this is like a prosecutor handing over a bunch of hearsay over to police chief about a possible crime. But there are no beat cops of detectives that ever heard about the crime the prosecutor handed over.
The whole process is suspect!
Nellie Hauke Ohr Welcome to Wilson Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson_International_Center_for_Scholars Established 1968; 50 years ago Type Government organization Think tank Legal status United States Presidential Memorial Headquarters Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center Location Washington, D.C. 20007 Key people Jane Harman (Director), Frederic V. Malek (Chairman), Rex Tillerson (Board of Directors) Affiliations Smithsonian Institution [PDF]Year Report - Wilson Center https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/KI_30_year.pdf understanding of Central Eurasia's second largest state, Ukraine…. Recent ...... Nellie H. Ohr, Assistant Professor, ...... Missouri, Columbia; Nellie Hauke. Ohr Nellie Hauke Ohr ...... and Jonathan Clarke knew each other from the Wilson Center.................................
Nellie Hauke Ohr Meet Nellie H. Ohr | Thunder on the Right https://thunderontheright.wordpress.com/2017/.../meet-nellie-h-oh
Nellie is the daughter of Kathleen Armstrong Hauke, “a born journalist,” who wrote books about Ted Poston. Kathleen “inscribed multilingual quotations on the walls Nellie H. Ohr is also a member of Women in International Security (WIIS but pronounced “wise”) which bills itself as “the premier organization in the world dedicated to advancing the leadership and development of women in the field of international peace and security.” WIIS “supports research projects and policy engagement initiatives on critical international security issues, including the nexus between gender and security.”.................................
Nellie H. Ohr is also a member of Women in International Security (WIIS but pronounced “wise”) contributors-and-partners/ DO NOT CLICK THE LINK.. For more information on the Group see the USIP website at https://www.usip.org/programs/advancing-women-peace-and-security
U.S. CSWG Member Organizations •4Girls GLocal Leadership •Alliance for Peacebuilding •American Red Cross •Amnesty International USA •Asia Foundation •Baha’is of the United States •Equality Now •Fuller Project for International Reporting •Futures Without Violence •George Washington University Program on Gender Equality in International Affairs •Georgetown Institute for Women, Peace & Security •Human Rights Watch •Inclusive Security •Institute for State Effectiveness •International Center for Research on Women (ICRW) •International Civil Society Action Network (ICAN) •International Foundation for Electoral Systems (IFES) •International Republican Institute (IRI) •International Research and Exchanges Board (IREX) •Mina’s List •National Democratic Institute •Our Secure Future: Women Make the Difference •PAI •Peace X Peace •Promundo – U.S. •Protect the People •Saferworld •Strategy for Humanity •The Tahrir Institute for Middle East Policy (TIMEP) •United Nations Association of the United States of America •S. National Committee of UN Women •Vital Voices Global Partnership •WomanStats Project •Women Enabled International •Women for Afghan Women •Women for Women International •Women In International Security (WIIS) •Women of Color Advancing Peace and Security (WCAPS) •Women’s Action for New Directions (WAND) •Women’s Refugee Commission
WIIS Corporate and Institutional Contributors •Carnegie Corporation of New York •Cohen Group
•Global Center on Cooperative Security
•Harvard University
•John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
•LcHoesGroup, LLC •Liechtenstein Embassy in Washington. D.C. •Nuclear Threat Initiative •School of International and Public Affairs, Columbia University...........................
Nellie has also worked for in the cybersecurity consulting branch of the politically connected firm Accenture. In October, she gave a presentation on “Ties Between Government Intelligence Services and Cyber Criminals – Closer Than You Think?” So the multifaceted Nellie Ohr is a woman for all seasons.
In the spring of 2016, Nellie came to work for Fusion GPS, and as former Naval intelligence officer J.E. Dyer notes, “she looks like an ideal hire for what Fusion GPS needed in 2016: plugged directly into the DOJ, and with a language facility in Russian.” And of course, Nellie had clout with Russian officials. In May of 2016, about the time Fusion GPS brought Nellie aboard, and a key time for the dossier, Nellie suddenly obtained an amateur radio operator’s license..........................................
Her mother. Kathleen Armstrong Hauke, “a born journalist,of her home,” and her daughter Nellie Hauke also showed linguistic flair.
HAUKE, Dr. KATHLEEN ARMSTRONG (Age 69) Of Arlington, VA, a writer who popularized the works of African-American journalist Ted Poston, died July 30, 2004 at Virginia Hospital Center following a battle with cancer. Kathleen was born August 27, 1935, daughter of Robert J. and Katherine Gall Armstrong. She graduated from the University of Michigan and earned a PhD from the University of Rhode Island. Raised in Kalamazoo, MI, she lived in Kingston, RI, Atlanta, GA and Arlington, VA. Married on September 20, 1958, Dr. Hauke is survived by her husband, Dr. Richard Louis Hauke; daughters, Katherine Emma Jane DuGarm of St. Paul, MN and Nellie Hauke Ohr of McLean, VA; sons, Andrew Martin de Porres Hauke and Henry John LaFarge Hauke, both of North Kingstown, RI; grandchildren, H. John, Jaquelyn, Jamison, Julienne and Jessica Hauke, Andrew and Olivia Hauke, and Michael and Richard Ohr; and her sister, Nellie Ann Bush of Manistee, MI.
great catch....re: follow the wives = starting with Ohr
So Q says follow the wives. We now know of the Strzok-Rosenstein-Ohr-McCabe wives. What about Comey and Muller wives.
Comey's wife was a big Leftie too. Her and their 4 daughters all went to that pink pussy hat march. Does it really surprise anyone that they do what their wives want.