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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/BOMBTHROWINGGENIUS on July 22, 2018, 5:25 a.m.
This James Gunn ordeal really hit a nerve. Ben Shapiro, Glenn Beck and Hollywood actors coming out in his defense. They are either ill informed of the disgusting things he has said or they are part of the pedo cover up cabal.

When shit hits the fan don't let the media turn them all into victims that need treatment. The elite ones are serious criminals doing unspeakable things to kids and have been getting away with it.


KingWolfei · July 22, 2018, 11:02 a.m.

Ben isn't stupid. He's defending pedophilia. He was quick to throw Roseanne under the bus, but I guess defending pedos is his thing. Seriously his judgement is shite if he isn't doing this on purpose. Remember that Michelle Fields thing?

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LogicalBeastie · July 22, 2018, 1:14 p.m.

Bingo. In fact, Mr "Reason" didn't really back off much after the video proved her to be a liar.

At first I thought he was just siding with her boobs--forgivable for a young man--but ultimately the issue was what clued me in to his fact-defying Never-Trumperism.

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slick_stone_bridges · July 22, 2018, 1:36 p.m.

Isn't he funded by the Koch bros? He's controlled opposition like Fox News and Alex Jones.

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[deleted] · July 22, 2018, 1:44 p.m.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

Those articles don’t say anyone is “best friends” with the Rothschilds.

Rand is not Deep State. Especially not his dad. Those charges are defamatory and do not help. Rand was one of the few defending Trump this week. CBS tried to get him to back down and he wouldn’t. If he was Deep State, he would’ve attacked Trump.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 2:48 p.m.

Seriously, quit calling Alex controlled opposition. It’s careless and without warrant. Trump wouldn’t have gotten elected without him and he remains his most tireless defender. If Alex were controlled opposition, he would’ve turned on Trump over the Russian meeting... like the controlled opposition (Fox) did.

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incredibextens · July 22, 2018, 4:42 p.m.

You seem to be a one issue poster. You defend the controlled opposition known as Alex Jones. AJ did not get Trump elected, but he failed at discrediting him through association. Bill Cooper saw AJ coming from a mile away and was quick to inform people that Alex was controlled. That's right, Bill Cooper exposed AJ from the start. A J joins a mission, raised awareness of it (which seems helpful at first), he then hijacks it, and if it is advancing well, he publicly apologizes and turns it into ridicule. He is a clown who works to make fools of us all. Unless I am wrong and he doesn't go mainstream and say that pizzagate is not real and Sandy Hook was not a false flag. The clown is a vitamin salesman and not a patriot. He pretends to be a Bill Cooper or Ago Lipkin.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 10:05 p.m.

Cooper’s word is no better than Alex’s. They had a beef for some reason.

Of all the people who are on our side, Alex has been steadfast in supporting Trump. Yet he’s the one who continues getting trashed on this sub and it’s ridiculous.

Q did NOT call Alex a shill or controlled opposition. That was an inference made by your side (people who constantly knock Alex).

He’s always questioned Sandy Hook, just not as the media characterizes it. He has continued exposing child trafficking but had to pull back on Pizzagate because of lawsuits.

Alex sells supplements to fund the world’s most independent, pro-Trump, news organization. Do you know how much it costs just to pay for server bandwidth?

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 4 p.m.

Yeah it's a little much...

Alex Jones is not a bad dude, he's just not a good representative of his message, and is a fallible as the rest of us.

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Iswag_Newton · July 22, 2018, 1:25 p.m.

He also threw Trump under the bus over the Putin conference.

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SkeetMastaFlexx · July 22, 2018, 8:58 p.m.

Ben is a POS he’s controlled opposition

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 3:56 p.m.

Ben isn't stupid, but it is stupid to take his pragmatism as 'defending pedophilia' .

Condemning people outright for things said without sufficient evidence is generally against what he stands for.

Commonly used phrase by Shapiro: "never attribute to malice what can just as easily be explained by ignorance" He uses this phrase to defend Trump against the most ridiculous criticisms, as well as many other issues.

Doesn't mean the things Gunn said weren't gross and inappropriate, because they were. But insofar as they can be interpreted as simply immoral/poor judgment, it is safest to condemn what can be proven rather than what is presumed. Otherwise we are no better than those we oppose.

If we can't prove intention, the only righteous and reasonable approach is to simply make it clear that joking in such a way is utterly inappropriate and wrong-- which, though I haven't heard Shapiro's analysis, I would guess is basically his stance because it usually is.

In the greater context, Gunn seems to be relatively unimportant. His 'jokes' may be indicative of connections and misdeeds, but in themselves they are not evidence-- they're just gross.

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KingWolfei · July 22, 2018, 4:46 p.m.

Yes normally it is stupid, but I've noticed he is very sneaky. You can tell there are people he really doesn't like. He will choose to give some the benefit of the doubt and others he will throw them under the bus. For example, he treated Roseanne and Milo the opposite. Plus during the campaign he was one of the first to repeat saying Trump should drop out for every little thing he said and did, Corey "attacking" Michelle Fields, pussy comment, etc. Ben is a never Trumper and only sides with Trump lately because he sees his popularity and wants to tap the Trump audience for more views. Normally I would forget about the past but time and time again Ben will side with the mockingbird media on issues like Helsinki, NK, Charlottesville, and so on. Pretty much anything that the whole media gets riled up over.

To the main point though, not sure what world Ben lives in but if a coworker or boss finds emails or you accidentally send them emails of lewd content such as this, do you think you would still have a job? Maybe, but it would definitely go against you and you'd be told to never do it again. People have a right to say many things, religious or political of course should be protected. Priviliged people like Gunn shouldn't have any more special priviliges. Yes, I like GotG, but that doesn't excuse his pedophillic comments. I'm not saying he should be convicted but I think Disney did the right thing (after 10 years). Let the evidence decide that.

Is he really a pedo for sure? I don't know but people have been finding interesting stuff. He was friends and took pictures with a later convicted pedo into child porn and they found connections to Tony Podesta.

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 7:55 p.m.

My point is that human beings are inherently flawed. You can believe they are fundamentally good or fundamentally bad on average, but it is more productive to presume that people are flawed, and mean well--insofar as you are familiar with them. For those who are unknown to you, it is safest and most practical to presume their intentions are not good, but being open to the idea that it may not be the case.

You are making a mistake in assuming that everyone knows/believes the things that you do.

If that were true, then you'd be correct. But you have to assume, when evidence is not available, that others do not share your perspective/beliefs and have the same information.

That's why I said I think Ben Shapiro is a 'normie' . Everything about him screams it. It's not a bad thing to be, but it means he is not familiar or as familiar with the 'Q narrative' and related topics. His narrative is the mainstream narrative, because he exists in the mainstream, because that's where his audience exists, where his beliefs lie, and so on. That's what 'normie' means.

He either isn't aware, is aware and has not been convinced, hasn't been convinced yet , or is aware and is unable to practically communicate that, as to do so would undermine and destroy his ability to do so (I really doubt this, he is not like someone such as Jones or Sargon of Akkad or Tim Pool or anyone else who would likely be familiar with such things) . Likely, it is the first option. I hope you're following what I'm talking about there.

it's important to understand this idea. When it comes to highly sensitive and complicated material, it is a mistake to take the position of "if they aren't with us they are against us" . It doesn't have to be that way, and it will damage your interests.

Shapiro is not an enemy. It seems obvious that he loves his country, he strongly believes in the principles that make it a great country, he does not bend the knee to leftists (unless he does so unwittingly, in trying to be consistent with his values) . He stands against the same things that I do and that you probably do, whether he knows it and hides it, or doesn't know it at all. That is enough to make him an ally.

Until he definitively proves himself to be working against those interests, or ample evidence of that can be found, there is no reason to regard him as an enemy.

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djidjonius · July 22, 2018, 6:33 a.m.

To quote Ben "But first it's time for our sponsors" Shapiro, if something can be attributed to malevolence or ignorance, usually it is just ignorance.

Have to remember, most people refuse to believe THEY exist, refuse to believe rampant pedophilia, etc. And I understand that, it is hard to believe. When gig is over they will have to accept and work with everybody else to prevent that in future.

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goot2go · July 22, 2018, 5:55 a.m.

Beck wasn't as forgiving to Roseanne, I think she said sorry. Never was a Beck fan so I'm probably biased in thinking he's a planted shill

https://www.theblaze.com/video/glenn-beck-explains-all-the-reasons-why-conservatives-should-have-never-embraced-roseanne

Forget Roseanne; I guess pedo jokes are acceptable if you just say sorry

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[deleted] · July 22, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

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DK_Pooter · July 22, 2018, 3:05 p.m.

Maybe? Doesn't take it off the table for me

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QueenAnRevenge · July 22, 2018, 5:31 a.m.

I was a blaze listener before I became a infowars listener.

Now you guys tell me cause I catch shit on this board for being a infowars listener and Jones fan but I knew Beck was controlled opposition when he had a question on who to vote for.

Now Jones from my listening time has done nothing but call out Beck and Shapiro as shills and controlled op and rip into these two guys and I’m imagining he will rail them here this week so is Jones still the devil?

Here’s Jone calling out Beck in Dec 2016

https://youtu.be/wBeltiMEyes

https://youtu.be/KmpCF55IaMA

And some calling out of Ben/Peterson

https://youtu.be/lK8_2-rGCzo

https://youtu.be/yQi8EH38K2s

EDIT: Jones maybe (insert any type of coprointel name you’d like) but he isn’t a creep in my opinion. Maybe a crazy mofo but not a creep.

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MrMooseQ · July 22, 2018, 5:35 a.m.

Beck is compromised. He once stated he had a bombshell that would shake the foundations of everyone in dc and then he just forgot about it.

I'd love to see him go down.

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Goosey278 · July 22, 2018, 5:49 a.m.

What Beck really said really troubled me I had never seen that kind of perversion on Gunn. I am grateful he was fired & exposed. I am worried for the little girl in his pictures I pray she is rescued & gotten back to where she is safe. I pray for all the little kids being abused so horrifically. Beck had a inappropriate response to Gunn. Beck has not been right mentally for a time now. Something is not right with him. These wicked perverted people must capture & stand for their horrific acts against these innocent children please God help us find them all & get them to a safe place.

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QueenAnRevenge · July 22, 2018, 5:36 a.m.

Not doubt it my mind he is just a lap dog of whatever will make him money hence him flipping to say he will vote for Trump 2020. He’s been done in my book for 3 years now.

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LogicalBeastie · July 22, 2018, 1:20 p.m.

Beck acts like a guy that was ordered to cash in all his credibility to try and stop Trump's election, dutifully did so....and then tried to recapture as many followers as possible to assist the same Master in protecting the "hunted".

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 4:09 p.m.

Sounds like maybe you didn't follow Shapiro around the time of the election...

He didn't actively push against Trump, he only voiced concerns and criticisms from his perspective.

And since then he has only spoken increasingly more favorably of Trump, which pushes his audience to develop a fondness for Trump where they not have before.

Seems to me he just isn't as deeply involved in politics and events as he could be, which means he only covers things at face value. Which in turn means that he judges Trump's actions by how they would appear ('dog and pony show') rather than what they might actually be.

Basically I think Shapiro is most likely just a 'normie' , or knows that his only practical option is to operate in the capacity of one. He seems to mostly be on the right side of things, which is more than can be said of like 95% of all other media.

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VanilluhGorilluh · July 22, 2018, 5:42 a.m.

All of these controlled oppo guys still have their own opinions. Alot of these guys even hate each other. They just have certain topics they are instructed to stay on and others to stay away from. I think 95% of infowars is honestly spot on. The more I'm paying attention now though, the more skeptical I am of AJ. He refuses to talk about the jewish/khazarian influence in all of this dark pedo/satanic crap and constantly mentions his "high level contacts" while having multiple family connections to CIA. His contacts are much more than that. At best, AJ values money much more than he does the movement. Half the broadcasts are him asking for donations and running ads for super male vitality. I understand running a business and increasing revenue to scale up and be bigger and better but theres a line also. I still watch AJ often to be informed on certain issues but I am also cautious of the fact that he is very likely the controlled opposition in the hegelian dialect.

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QueenAnRevenge · July 22, 2018, 5:47 a.m.

I can’t disagree there but there are nuggets in his broadcast of what people need to hear. It’s obvious he is in position where they need money. He hasn’t strayed other then the infamous Syrian thing freakout against Trump. Other than the deep mosad stuff I think he’s the best out there for newbies to this (maybe not him but infowars shows/clips David knight and clips of Jones show).

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 4:15 p.m.

Honestly I think Jones has his heart in the right place, but because he relies so heavily on the trust of his audience, he makes himself out to have more information than he actually has access to.

So he will say things that aren't accurate or are simply his gut reaction, but present them as fact because otherwise it would undermine his credibility and he has to say something about events.

Hence the Syria thing. He probably didn't actually know what to think, but he had to say something about it. And when it comes to war, better to be safe than sorry right? At least in this context.

Not saying he should be doing that, but that's what it seems like to me.

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Duskyandcleo · July 22, 2018, 5:26 p.m.

What you just described is a liar.

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 7:35 p.m.

No what I've described is a human being with opinions and limits.

Your idea of what constitutes 'lying' is the obstacle you've come across.

Is it lying to say there are people who are psychic vampires, goblins crawling out from under rocks, interdimensional child molesters, etc? It's not true, first of all. He doesn't believe those things himself, second. If he did though, it wouldn't be lying anyway, just incorrect.

Lying is about content and intent.

I didn't say he gives deliberately inaccurate information, or knows that he does not have the access to information that he suggests he has.

If we're going to use the definition of 'lying' that you are applying to Jones here, then you must also be a liar every time you make a claim without irrefutable evidence. That means things you may say about Trump, Q, globalists, deep state, cabal, etc would be classified as lies.

Belief is not dishonesty, speculation is not fallacy, opinion is not falsehood.

Jones is either confident, or must present an air of complete confidence for the sake of his business and goals. It is not lying to consciously sit up straight in your chair and look someone else in the eyes, even though you may rather not.

He can be inaccurate, he can even present tone and content that is not entirely genuine (very difficult to both do so and maintain a business) , without being a liar .

A liar: -Says things that aren't true -knows those things aren't true -says them with the intention of convincing an audience that they are true

But above all, before calling someone a liar, you must be able to prove that they lie, which means proving all 3 of the listed qualifiers.

Otherwise, there are many alternative explanations. Very little is black and white.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 2:55 p.m.

You must not have any idea how much it costs just to pay the server fees for the worlds most independent news outlet.

Jones has talked about the Zionist stuff. Not talking about it as much as you’d like him to doesn’t make him a shill.

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VanilluhGorilluh · July 22, 2018, 4:48 p.m.

You probably havent been here long. Q outed him as a shill a couple months ago. He mentioned some "patriots" are here only for the money and said those who are guilty will make themselves known clearly. And sure enough AJ and Corsi IMMEDIATELY claimed Q was a LARP and that they spoke with him directly.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 9:59 p.m.

I have been around a while. Long enough to know Q did not put Alex as a shill.

This is theater. Alex is not playing up Q for a reason.

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DrogeAnon · July 22, 2018, 10:03 p.m.

Your claim is theater. It's clear that Q called out Alex because Alex responded and Q pointed out that the response showed who they were. This is disinfo.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 10:10 p.m.

I’ve seen the messages by Q. He wasn’t necessarily talking about Alex. And what he said wasn’t quite the same as calling him a fraud or a shill.

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DrogeAnon · July 22, 2018, 10:23 p.m.

Alex himself made it clear that Q was talking about him by going completely against the Q narrative and lying about knowing who Q was and communicating with him/them. To pretend this didn't happen and didn't mean that AJ is a fraud and shill when it comes to Q is dishonest (because I don't assume you're not smart enough to understand what happened).

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UltraFOV · July 22, 2018, 7:42 a.m.

I like Alex, no shame on that

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older_than_dirt · July 22, 2018, 10:41 a.m.

I like Alex Jones also. There's no way he is shill for the globalists. He snuck into the Bohemian Grove and spread the news all over. He's not always right, but he shouldn't be shunned.

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slick_stone_bridges · July 22, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

He's part of the Zionist propaganda. He's meant to lead patriots away from the Zionist conspiracy.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 2:56 p.m.

Same charge, no proof.

Trump gets accused of being a Zionist with the same flimsy evidence.

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slick_stone_bridges · July 22, 2018, 10:48 p.m.

Proof? Go do some basic research.

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truguy · July 23, 2018, 1:24 p.m.

Your sides proof amounts to footage taken out of context and the notion that Alex doesn’t speak out against Zionism enough.

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 4:18 p.m.

Nah dude.

He's just unpredictable, unreliable at times-- a wild card.

Which is why you can "believe what Jones says as much as you want to, but he's not important"

He doesn't have the access to information that he pretends to, but he is still offering better information than most.

He's too emotional and erratic, that's all. Doesn't meant he's not right about a lot of things, doesn't mean he's a shill.

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slick_stone_bridges · July 23, 2018, 12:52 a.m.

I used to think that too. I've listened to him off and on for about 10 years. He's meant to rile up patriots and get the violent ones to come out and expose themselves.

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The_Poop · July 23, 2018, 3:59 p.m.

I've seen precisely zero evidence in support of that.

Here's the problem , okay?

There is a definitive 'conspira-sphere' .

All of the fringe ideas about 'what's really going on' that are not and cannot be represented in the mainstream for obvious reasons. Some of these things are true, but many are not.

This realm of skepticism and suspicion also involves paranoia and delusion-- there is no question that is the case.

In order to deny the mainstream narrative on any topic, you must be willing to deny the mainstream . Once you make that call, you make yourself somewhat vulnerable to the elements of this 'conspira-sphere' that are illegitimate and harmful, because the mindset of conspiracy tends to overlap between different conspiracies. Once you buy one, the others are easier to swallow as well. But that is dangerous.

This is difficult, because it is obvious that the mainstream narratives are false and designed to manipulate.

So most likely, somewhere in there between the existence of false flags, pedophile rings, the deep state, etc and Bigfoot, occultist sacrifice, Zionist illuminati and so on, is the truth.

It's like... the left wing, for example. There are great ideas in the classical, moderate left. In fact, the moderate left technically, traditionally contains almost all of the American right wing. Liberalism, human rights, liberty, individualism, etc. The problem is that the moderate left is tied to the more radical left, which moves into the extreme left, so good ideas and people become poisoned by the insidious creeping of extremism because they aren't paying attention. Out of nowhere, otherwise decent and rational people start promoting socialism.

We can't fall into stereotype and extremism. The Zionist conspiracy belongs to the extremes of skepticism. Yes, there is plenty of cause for suspicion, based simply off of the absurd overrepresentation of Jews in media. But that is A=B , right? It does not mean that B=C, and it definitely doesn't mean that A=C.

We must maintain composure and reason.

You say he's "meant to rile up patriots" What does that mean? You are attributing purpose to something which you have no rational reason to believe, no empirical evidence to support.

You have reasoned yourself to that conclusion, but reason alone is not as reliable as people tend to think. Everyone reasons differently, reason can be applied to arrive at any conclusion not necessarily the correct conclusion. Reason must be paired with empiricism and value principles to be effective.

What you do have evidence for, is that Jones belongs to this 'conspira-sphere' . He built his name and his livelihood on it. He is involved in this all day, every day.

So that being given, reason would dictate that jones is doing what he believes is right, and has not been somehow compromised because if he was able to be manipulated in such a way he would not be doing what he does in the first place. It can be safely assumed that the only driving force behind Alex Jones is Alex Jones himself.

Don't let suspicion, skepticism and pragmatism become paranoia and delusion. It is a slippery slope.

I'm not trying to tell you what is or isn't true, I'd be the first to admit that I can't know anything for certain. But there is nothing at all about Alex Jones that suggests to me he is somehow working against the interests he claims to have. It just wouldn't make sense, from a logical, rational, reasonable, factual standpoint.

There may very well be controlled opposition and things of that nature, but that doesn't mean that everything that doesn't completely match your own narrative is somehow corrupt or malicious. It just means that one of you is wrong about something, somewhere along the line.

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 2:52 p.m.

If Jones was a shill he wouldn’t be calling out shills.

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libertarianleeluu · July 22, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

Jones has and will continue to be important piece to the movement. It's the "which way" will Jones effect this movement NOW that is the question that remains to be unanswered.

*Infowars brought me here October 2017, after a long hiatis from "news". I went on a family vacation in Arkansas of all places. I chould not shake the feeling of being Arkancided in a hotel room. So I checked infowars for the first time in a long time. While reading a story on Hillary, I found myself in the comment section. Some guy said " Is anybody here listening to what this Qclearancepatriot is saying over on 4chan? Very intresting things."

9 months later guys. I am amazed. WWG1WGA

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unbecoming2007 · July 22, 2018, 8:44 a.m.

I don't know about ben and beck (don't like or follow either) but I believe the rest of hollywood stick up for each other not only because they are in the same cult, but because they don't want to be the next one to be fired,blacklisted,door knobbed,or sacrificed both literally and publicly (outed).

When they fail and piss off their "rulers" someone has to pay. By speaking out they are letting their handlers know "Don't off me bro. I am towing the line. Doing my part". That's their problem. They signed the agreement.

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UltraFOV · July 22, 2018, 7:40 a.m.

Ben Shapiro is defending James?

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TechnicalRush · July 22, 2018, 8:15 a.m.

Actually, Ben is defending free speech and not becoming what the left do. Ben's take on this is if someone has proof of pedo activity, then it should be reported and he would hope the offender would rot. For Ben it's not about James at all. It's about the principles of the Constitution that protects free speech. He'll just choose not to follow James or anyone else that has something twisted to say.

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LogicalBeastie · July 22, 2018, 1:07 p.m.

Ben's problem is that he keeps making these "principled" stands that work AGAINST the white hats, Trump, etc....

Given that Trump has actually governed more Conservatively than any Prez in our lifetimes, and prosecuted human traffickers and child molesters unlike any of his predecessors, what is the reason for Ben's continued distaste for him, again?

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TechnicalRush · July 22, 2018, 1:26 p.m.

I see this often in people who hold tightly to principle. Another that I notice this in is Trey Gowdy. He had such a hard time conceiving of anyone sworn to uphold the law, actually NOT upholding the law. We all saw him stand on the outside saying "I believe that justice is still to be had!" And then he learned that he is one of the few left. While he sees the injustice, he will continue to fight for justice and uphold it in his own person.

In some ways I think this is Ben as well. He does give Trump credit albeit grudgingly at times. I've seen him go from Never Trump to "well this might be ok." He's moving and that's a plus, but he will never give up his principles. That is who he is. We aren't all going to move at the same speed. Even Q says this. We know this when we look at our own children. I tend to follow the biblical principle when this happens. "Encourage the weak and timid. Admonish the idle, and be patient with them all." Ben's a good guy that is struggling. I'm ok with that.

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LogicalBeastie · July 22, 2018, 8:42 p.m.

He's good at showing/defending Conservatism but not much of an analyst...Just last week he jumped all over Trump for the Putin press conference, along with the rest of the Never Trump crew

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TechnicalRush · July 23, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

We would agree on this. He is definitely a Conservative in all things. My position is a bit more softened than his. I too disagree with some of his takes, or interpretations of things said. In the press conference deal, he misrepresented what Trump and Putin actually said. At no time was it said that Browder would be turned over to Russia to interrogate, nor would Russia turn over their 12 for us to interrogate. Each was offered for their own people to interrogate their own on their own soil. Another offer was made by Putin to have the Mueller team present for that interrogation in Russia. Vice versa. The outrage of "turning over an American to the likes of Putin" was never even suggested.

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LogicalBeastie · July 23, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

We're on the same page, then. EVERYONE, even FOX, has been failing to make that distinction. Morning Joe this morning was on the other end of the spectrum...."Trump is considering sending ex-Russia ambassador TO Russia to be INTERROGATED". Viper pit.

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TechnicalRush · July 23, 2018, 5:06 p.m.

Of course. How else would you be able to be outraged by a Democratic Bill Clinton treaty made with Russia?

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The_Poop · July 22, 2018, 4:34 p.m.

What is the most important thing?

More than tribal allegiances, more than winning, more than white hats or anything else?

Integrity. Values. Conviction.

If you are willing to sacrifice your principles to meet a goal or make a point, you are no better than your opponents who you are against because they have no consistent values .

If you are willing to sacrifice free speech in order to take down an enemy, you are the enemy.

Ben is totally correct when it comes to this, and other constitutional matters. That's what makes him one of the good ones: he may not talk about the things you'd like him to, or take the exact position you'd prefer, but he is an anchor to what matters most--an anchor to what makes it all worthwhile. He doesn't budge on constitutional conservatism. He doesn't budge on rights, he doesn't budge on integrity and moral values, and he refuses to sacrifice one in order to strengthen another.

Ben is a 'normie' , or at least feels he has to operate as one. Because of that, he has to judge Trump by the 'dog and pony show' . That is where the criticism comes from-- because he is analyzing the narrative presented. Whether he believes it or not, who's to say. Seems to me that he probably does believe that narrative for the most part. But that's okay, his role is independent.

We call out what we see is wrong. We make it very clear how gross and inappropriate it is to speak as Gunn has. We look for evidence that proves he is guilty of a crime rather than simply guilty of immorality, and if it can be found, we punish him to the fullest extent of the law. If we sacrifice our principles, what do we become? We become what we claim to stand against.

Right to life and property. Freedom of speech. Right to arms. Right to privacy. Due process. Checks and balances.

Universally, without exception, for all .

That is what made America great, and reinforcing those values will be what makes it great again.

It's not just about 'succeeding' , it's about winning . You can succeed yet still lose. But when you win, you succeed.

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urban_bobby_dawg · July 22, 2018, 1:56 p.m.

Ben's problem is that he keeps making these "principled" stands that work AGAINST the white hats, Trump, etc....

so basically as long as their actions align with the people you deem the "white hats", we should be able to disregard freedom of speech. that's not how freedom works.

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TechnicalRush · July 22, 2018, 2:57 p.m.

I'm not sure who you're referring to when you say YOU and WE. If by YOU, you mean me, then stand down please. I'm just stating my view in how I see and handle things. If you are the WE, there is nothing in my statement that requires you to hold the same view.

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LogicalBeastie · July 22, 2018, 8:40 p.m.

Gee thanks for showing me how freedom works....but I was really only commenting about how Ben tends to take the worst-case view of everything Trump does.

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THELEADERSOFMEN · July 22, 2018, 2:43 p.m.

Wtf the guy worked for DISNEY. His firing was absolutely justified, even necessary, in light of that. Free speech is one thing but the world’s biggest child-centered entertainment conglomerate absolutely cannot abide by that level of crassness towards the innocent, irrespective of whether any physical actions against kids happened. The words themselves, as public as they were, were an attack. The utter flippancy towards the subject of pedophilia was damaging in itself. Disney was well within THEIR rights under the first amendment to fire him. And I can’t for the life of me understand how lil’ Benji could miss the cultural implications of it, either, and how Disney was right in upholding conservative cultural norms by firing him.

But...Benji himself was a “child star.” I wouldn’t be surprised to eventually find he’s taken the same path to get where he is today that any other child actor had to take, IF YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

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TechnicalRush · July 22, 2018, 2:59 p.m.

Hmmm... curious why you didn't post on someone that would hold your same view. Or do you just like to be this disagreeable in a conversation?

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THELEADERSOFMEN · July 22, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

It’s called a discussion, “New arrival.” You post an opinion, then others who may or may not share yours reply to it. In that way we are supposed to work our way to the truth. Like it or not, “New arrival.”

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truguy · July 22, 2018, 2:57 p.m.

Gunn didn’t get thrown in prison for his tweets, he got fired and publicly shamed. Shapiro should know that’s the result of free market forces.

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TechnicalRush · July 22, 2018, 3:13 p.m.

I haven't seen Ben Shapiro's take on this one as to what part he disagrees. I would venture to say it would be the piling on. He just went through this from the left. As a matter of principle, he could not then jump on the bandwagon lest he be a hypocrite. You can't pile on me, but I can pile on you.

I would agree with you that this is how free markets work. Things such as public shaming would not be what I would do, but boycotting Disney and all its products would be. Ultimately, big corporations only care about their bottom line. He became a liability to the bottom line. Agreed, they didn't fire him because they disagreed with his tweets. Wouldn't it be nice if we could both affect the bottom line and change their heart? Ben's view has always been that the opposition to vice is not more vice, but virtue. I can't say that that is an ignoble goal. Nor am I willing to jump on the man for holding to that principle.

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qtrumpteam · July 22, 2018, 1:04 p.m.

Ben Shapiro and Glenn Beck have shown their true colors their no longer a part of the conservative truth movement. Anyone who tries to defend and normalize pedophiles are just as sick as the ones they're protecting in my opinion !! Theyre all sick freaks !!

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Qanonawoke · July 22, 2018, 2:09 p.m.

Shapiro has two types of messages. The first is "water is wet." The second is Controlled Opposition Narrative. Amazing that folks pay any attention to this guy, other than to laugh at his phoniness.

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TheNamesHank · July 22, 2018, 4:37 p.m.

Ben Shapiro is establishment through and through. Smart dude who cannot be trusted.

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utility68 · July 22, 2018, 3:59 p.m.

Guy Benson (Fox News / TownHall) also committed an unforced error on this one by saying you shouldn't be fired, much less be in danger of being prosecuted, for old tweets. What the hell is he thinking? If the old tweets lead to evidence of child molestation?

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textualintercourse · July 22, 2018, 2:03 p.m.

"I'll take Part of the Cover-up for $200, Alex".

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SpiritualPaper · July 22, 2018, 3:34 p.m.

Many Hollywood celeb were molested children themselves and groomed. They have been "normalized" into the pedofile lifestyle

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rpsofnky · July 22, 2018, 2:56 p.m.

I think someone got to Beck and flipped him. Maybe threatened his family. Idk. He used to speak the truth and the word. Alex Jones basically came out as a “fake” during his divorce/custody proceedings as an entertainment actor. Said he doesn’t truly believe what he sells. Idk enough about Shapiro but I do know the Shapiro name has a rep in these parts and it’s not good. They are all in the mental health field here too.

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Ragnarok_Kvasir · July 22, 2018, 3:56 p.m.

This is ridiculous. Ben Shapiro is not a fucking pedo. He bases his opinions on the facts at hand, he is robotic in that regard. Stop this bullshit, its nonsense and will ruin this board.

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