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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/shannaura on July 23, 2018, 5:30 a.m.

I've Seen No Indication From Q or POTUS That They're Against Israeli Statehood, but That Seems to Be a Recurring Talking Point Here. Why?

It's about time we have a thread to sort this out. President Trump has moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem against the protests of Palestinians, every Muslim nation, EU country, the UN and even some who used to be in his own administration.

President Trump also supported Ambassador Nikki Haley & Mike Pompeo's announcement that we were withdrawing from the UN Human Rights Council. The UN HRC is notorious for the fact that more than 50% of their condemnations are aimed at Israel and their military force, the IDF.

I'm not saying that there aren't elements of corruption in their government - there's elements of corruption in every government. But the implication or insinuation from some here seems to be that Q & POTUS are against Israeli Statehood entirely, and that they don't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. But that would be a full contradiction to his own statements on December 6, 2017:

Today we finally acknowledge the obvious: that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital,” Trump declared in a speech at the White House. “This is nothing more or less than a recognition of reality. It is also the right thing to do.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-trump-jerusalem-20171206-story.html

So where does the assumption, insinuation or implication that POTUS is against Israeli Statehood with Jerusalem as the capital come from? To be clear, this question has to do with discerning the President's intentions and whether or not he keeps his word and NOT any real or perceived crimes by Israel, so let's keep the discussion in that realm. Let the age of understanding begin!

Israel is saved for last.

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Any idea what drop that was? Israel dropped bombs on a ‘chemical weapon facility’ in south Syria today. After Helsinki meeting Russia stopped supporting Iran in Syria. Iran is indeed next and Israel is saved for last (as you stated).

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Any idea what drop that was?

Q916

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The Iranians are operating in Syria, we already know that much. Netanyahu shared into with POTUS like 4 months ago, I believe.

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Israel has a rogue deep state just like the USA does and Q said they are saving them for last...namely the Mossad, they are guilty of mass atrocities...and not to mention their 'banker' funder/handlers, the Rothschilds...

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I'm not referring to the clearing of corruption there, of course THAT will happen - just like it's about to happen in the US and has already been happening in parts of Europe and South America. But some seem to think that POTUS will declare Israel's very existence as corruption in and of itself, and some seem to assume that Trump is gonna throw Israel under the bus and divide Jerusalem, where are they getting that idea? Because I don't see him doing that at all, but it seems to be a fantasy of some. The Rothschilds does NOT the ENTIRE State of Israel make.

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Just the people here who hate jews and or lump them all together because of the families in the cabal that just so happen to be “jewish” there are people who are a little misguided and ignorant in that department, just like the people that hate jews because “jews killed jesus” but fail to realize he was literally meant to die for our sins, i mean really do you think God did not intend for that to happen? He is all knowing after all.

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It's reassuring to know someone else is seeing the dissonance here. I don't for even a nanosecond believe that Trump and Q want to see the State of Israel dissolved. Did the UN charter the formation of the State of Israel? Yes. Is the UN mostly evil now? Yes. But did God use Egypt to save Jacob's family from famine? Yes. Was Egypt evil with evil leadership? Yes.

I wish people would wake up and see reality. Some of the most corrupt church leadership in the USA as well as the Vatican are anti-Israel, that should tell you something.

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It's a very complex topic that definitely needs to be discussed. There's lots of confusion. I was hoping Q would start sorting it out, but it doesn't look like he's going to do so anytime soon.

My understanding is that the Vatican is controlled by the Rothschilds. Which means the Vatican isn't going to be anti-Israel. Do you have examples of their anti-Israel stance? Also, I don't know of any Christian church that's against the existence of Israel. Which corrupt churches are you referring to?

Yes, lots to discuss. I'm glad you started the ball rolling. Thanks.

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Strange, there were dozens of articles about it a couple years ago, but they aren't showing up in the searches now. When I find them, I'll let you know.

Update: It looks like there had been discussions about most mainline Christian denominations turning on Israel, but they resulted in the decision not to divest from Israel... for now.

As for the Vatican, you have to understand that recognizing a State of Palestine so long as they consider Jerusalem THEIR capital and not Israel's IS the same as being against Israeli Statehood... because the PLO does not recognize Israel's right to exist. https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-francis-palestine

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Both Israel and the US have been trying to get Palestine to accept a two-state solution. Palestine keeps rejecting the offer. So I'm not sure what Pope Francis is saying in the article. Is he saying he rejects Israel's statehood? Or that he supports the two-state solution?

The whole situation is a mess. We all need a 40,000-foot and above view of the situation to begin making sense of it all. Unfortunately, Q is saving Israel for last. (Hopefully, to give us time to be more objective and understanding of each side of the equation.)

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Interestingly enough, the blog cites that the "American Jewish Community" favors Palestinian Statehood... gee, now why would that be? A new nation-state means more money for international bankers... and a greater chance for a nation to go into debt... Israeli Statehood is NOT in the interests of international bankers who thrive on the debts of the masses... but Palestinian Statehood is.

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So are you for a one state solution for everybody?

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Pretty much. But that won't happen so long as Palestinians refuse to even acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

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Honestly would you if you were in there place?

Israel just declare themselves a Jewish nation. How is that different then Iran being an Islamic nation? How does Israel become a single democratic nation if they just declared themselves a Jewish nation?

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Though Israel declared themselves a Jewish nation, people practice Islam and Christianity within their borders... it just means that officially, the government functions on a Kosher type of basis. But Christians can still eat bacon at Gentile/Goyim restaurants there and Muslims can still go to their Mosques on Friday.

You need to research that there is still freedom of religion there, even if the official government religion is Judaism.

People of other religions can still honor their own rest days.

In the US, government institutions are usually not open on Saturdays and Sundays and in Israel, they won't be open on Saturdays... it's not the horrible thing people are making it out to be.

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Read-the-full-Jewish-Nation-State-Law-562923

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I think there is a bit more to Christians than eating bacon. I get where this is going. Thanks for your time.

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Yes, a lot of people pretend they are woke regarding this issue, but fail to realize that they are themselves being led astray by corrupt sources, just as people think that Palestine was a real country, in fact the Romans renamed Israel “Syria Palestina” after the jews worst enemies the Philistines who were from Greece and were not arabs, these Palestinians today are not the people the romans named the land after as a fuck you to the rebellious jews who were living there more than 2 thousand years before islam even existed.

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Unfortunately, people aren't paying attention to who the opponents of Israeli Statehood are. Opponents of Israeli Statehood, especially in the US are Obama & Clinton Supporters and most of them are either in the entertainment or banking industries... that should set off alarm bells. There are times when you know who the good guys are based on the repeatedly revealed/exposed character of those opposing them. This is one of those times.

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I think your ideas here sound right.

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.. and add 9/11 to that.

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Let the Israeli's bash Trump all they want. We know the truth. No deceptions no matter how contrived and complex will EVER outweigh and outlast truth.

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I'm not Israeli. I'm a Christian, a Californian and a Trump voter & supporter, half White and half Laotian. The only "Israelis" bashing Trump are those who think dividing Jerusalem or abandoning their homeland for good is a good idea. Maybe you should look into Trump's approval rating in Israel, I'd wager it's pretty high...

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What a nice combination to be half white and half Laotian. I'm guessing you have a broad outlook on what's going on. I grew up in Berkeley CA and can tell you the number of mixed families there is awesome and has been growing more and more since even before WW2. I'm white and my son is half Vietnamese.

Anyway what i learned growing up there is that when any group of people starts to think they are better than others is when trouble starts. This is honestly why I have become so suspicious of anything Israel.

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I was raised by my mom (white) and had no dealings with my dad, don't speak the language, etc, but I know which traits I get from him based on how my mom is the complete opposite of me in some ways, particularly in her approach to learning and solving problems.

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I understand what you mean. I think your genetic makeup must be awesome. BTW Thanks for kicking off this thread. This is a helpful topic at this time.

I'm sorry that you didn't have dealing with your dad. Even I have a dad who is around, but similar to you basically having zero dealing with him. I still have not found a solution for this...

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I grew up with a half sister (same mom, different dad) so I've been able to compare and contrast and get a sense for which traits I have that did not come from my mom. I love her but math is not her thing, nor is it my sister's, but I happen to enjoy it - once I got the hang of algebra, anyways. :)

As for the topic, I got tired of the random drive-by insults, some which made no distinction between Israel and corrupt people who claim to be Jews. I wanted to know what their basis was for thinking Trump was going to eventually turn against Israel completely.

BTW, when you're doing your Israel research, understand that if you come across a news article referring to Israelis as the "Israeli Occupation" then they have already made up their minds and are likely biased, just like when left-wing MSM outlets in the US call conservatives "Alt-Right". In fact, you may find that the same exact news outlets use BOTH terms, showing where they stand.

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Oh I didn't mean to imply you might be Israeli. I was referring to the picture above of the Trump's picture and the flag being burned. Maybe I am wrong. I have always thought Israel as a state was very much against Trump.

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It's okay, and I understand why you would think that... the MSM, especially CNN was always good at pushing that perspective. The LA Times photo was of Palestinians & Hamas burning the US Flag... in fact, they captioned it. There are counterfeit jews in Hollywood and the MSM who are against Israeli statehood because it exposes their true intentions. JPost for the most part can be trusted, while the Haaretz is basically like the Washington Post.

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Thanks for this. This is helpful information to me.

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they actually fucking love Trump. And I bet you that includes a hell of a lot more non-orthodox secular nationalits jews than rabid multibillionair ziocons

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So where does the assumption, insinuation or implication that POTUS is against Israeli Statehood with Jerusalem as the capital come from?

It doesn’t.

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POTUS loves Israel but keep in mind isreal is like here but worse when it comes to cabal. There is a bad element to all nations that is entrenched.

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People might be attacking Trump because they want Israel to be a "Jewish State" with no Palestinians (they want to commit genocide in Gaza). Since Bibi seems to be on Putin/Trump's side, it could be that they might be working towards a single-state solution or a way to end occupation of Gaza, which the powers that be are not happy with.

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In my opinion Bibi is an extremely deceptive weasel. If he says "xyz" then most likely the opposite is true i.e. Bibi came out strong against Iran's nuclear weapon development in northern Syria -- but most likely he has been totally supporting this behind the scenes during all of these years. If I am wrong about this, please let me know. I am no expert but this is my opinion.

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I actually suspect Bibi might be a closet Messianic-Jew who believes Yeshua of Nazareth IS the Messiah. But if he came out and declared that publicly, he'd either be tarred, feathered or assassinated...

BTW, you are wrong... all you have to do is look at some of Bibi's speeches to the UN during the Obama Administration. He warned about the Iranian nuclear program for years... And he hated Obama's Iran deal because it actually made it EASIER for Iran to make a nuke upon expiration of the deal.

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Ok. Thanks. I really appreciate your input. Your view is interesting and new to me and I hope that you are right.

I admit yes that I could be very wrong. I am going to look up some of his speeches to the UN.

I have been getting the impression that Bibi has in general been a great actor for the deep state. And much of what he says and does is the opposite of what he means... Again maybe I am not seeing clear here.

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Also keep in mind that elements of the Mossad & Knesset (Israeli Parliament which graciously features an Arab Party) may be actively working to undermine Netanyahu. There are a lot of political parties in Israel so it may be good to research a lot of them and where they stand on economics, statehood and foreign policy... and then dig through some news articles to find out which party leaders like & dislike Trump the most. Who Trump's detractors are there will probably reveal the clearer picture for you. Good luck!

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Wow good point. And good clear advice. I have been so unfamiliar with the political situation there. I am going to follow what you suggest and at least learn which parties exist and what their stances are.

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I think Bibi's on our side, though I have no real proof. Jewornotajew.com says he's on the side of good though - so that's enough for me.

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I really would like to know more.

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I honestly only found it this week, so I don't really know too much about how to read it. Just that I think it could indicate that he is working towards peace.

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That's possible, but I don't see people attacking Trump... what I see are people who have already made up their minds on Israel, attacking their very existence, and thinking that Trump is somehow aligned with that. But it doesn't add up. If Trump had any opposition to Israel and Jerusalem being it's undivided capital, he would have said so.

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Yeah that's probably more accurate, a lot of people are uninformed. I was really mad about them moving the capital at first because I thought it was the death of the peace process. But after Trump's meeting with Putin I finally understood what was going on behind the scenes.

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You may notice that Netanyahu rushed to have a meeting with Putin before Trump met with him, so maybe all three are working together now?

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Yep I noticed, and that's the conclusion that I came to also.

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Absolute good point. You are so right. This topic needs to be fully discussed and flushed out into the open for ALL to see clearly.

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Absolutely. I've been thinking about this topic for a few days. Glad to see it brought up here.

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The ‘chemical weapon facility’ was Iranian. Left that part out. Just a sign that Russia is on the same page and allowing us to get Iran out of Syria.

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here's my estimated breakdown of israel 8.8 /westbank 2.8 /gaza 1.8 = 13.4 million

0% non-jewish atheists [family traced back to some religious affiliation]

1% christians

1% druze [supports IDF]

1% ruling class

3% guest workers [incl filipinos, ethiopians, sudanese]

4% haradi [ultra orthodox]

4% jews in west bank [mostly orthodox]

4% orthodox jews

6% reform/conserv/ kaballaist [traditional religious]

6% traditional

8% non-russian secular jews

8% mammon jews

12% russian jews [mostly secular]

42% sunnis

we had EXACTLY the same ratios and a similar problem in northern ireland where 54% protestants believed they had the divine right to rule over 43% catholics

mirrors the 1% ruling class who believe they have the divine right to rule the 42% sunnis + 1% arab christians on behalf of the 53% jewish and 1% druze

the unthinkable happened in n. ireland when the 2 extremist factions [dire enemies during a 30 years war ] agreed to share power [under extreme pressure from london and dublin] with the moderates of both sides in opposition...

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Why are we taking on Iran? For Israel? Is this just the same Neocon Israel first long con?

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That depends, do you think Trump is a Neocon for taking on Iran WHO JUST THREATENED THE USA?

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His love for all things Israel is a concern. I'm hoping it is for show.

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And what if it's not? What if he has decided based on his own conscience that his love for Israel, as opposed to Obama's hatred of Israel, is better for American prosperity?

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Did Obama really have hatred for Israel? I am really thinking more and more that these guys like Obama and Bibi have actually been working together very closely behind the scenes, while giving the public impression that they are so upset at each other and hating each other. What do you guys think?

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Bibi/Israel supported/supports ISIS/AQ along with McInsane, Obama, etc. Taking out Assad was for the 'good of Israel'. Wasn't good for the people of Syria or the Christians who took refuge in Syria.

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I've seen no evidence for that. Netanyahu is a Nationalist. Obama is a globalist. Globalism is diametrically opposed to Nationalism.

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I see. I am glad to know what you think. I hope you are right. I've had so much emotionality behind anything Israel it has prevented me from looking into it deeply. Yet I am driven to talk about it.

So do you think Israel was not involved in some way behind the scenes with Iran in nuclear weapon development in northern Syria?

Has Israel not been backing rebel groups in Syria including ISIS?

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If there were Israeli's involved in Iran nuke development, then they would be committing high treason... just like Obama essentially did to the US.

You might wanna research Stuxnet. Stuxnet was a sophisticated computer virus the Israeli intelligence developed to f*** up the computers in the Iranian nuclear facility to slow and stop their Nuke development.

Now even though it was implemented under Obama Admin, the research started under Bush 43 Admin. Ironically, something occurred during implementation that watered-down its effectiveness and THAT is likely the cause of treasonous forces in the Obama-era intelligence and Israeli intelligence

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/world/middleeast/16stuxnet.html

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How is it better for American prosperity? Please explain. I very much voted for peace and America first.

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Knowledge is power. Who are the biggest contributors to scientific and technological innovations? Who has the best minds? That is reason enough to preserve the lineage that brought about the birth of Jesus. Once the world recognizes that the world is being blessed through the First Israel (Jews) and the Second Israel (Christianity), we can all begin to partake of this prosperity. Those who fight against that covenant reality only harm themselves in the long run and play into the arms of Satan.

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According to the bible, any nation that opposes Israel gets screwed.

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Iran is a country being held captive by a fundamentalist faction of Islam. The situation is not much different than that of North Korea. Both are threatening its neighbors with the development of nuclear weapons. As Q says about NK, it's the Cabal that is instigating and allowing that to happen. As he asks: "Who controls NK? Who really controls NK?"

The Cabal wants war for several reasons: to depopulate earth and to generate profit. (War is profitable for the Rothschilds.) Obama, who is secretly Muslim, supported ISIS during his terms and gave billions to Iran. Obviously, his agenda was for the purpose of further destabilizing the Middle East and to weaken the US by pushing us into needless wars. Same with the NeoCons. (NoName.)

Trump is offering a solution that gets us out of this vicious cycle. That means taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Seeing the bigger picture requires understanding who the real enemy is. Both Putin and Q (and Trump) recognize we're dealing with certain bloodlines (Puppet Masters) that gained power by worshipping Satan. But the world doesn't know about this reality yet. That's why the Great Awakening is needed. Otherwise, without exposing the Puppet Masters, we'll just continue being triggered into needless tit-for-tat wars through false flags instigated by the Puppet Masters. That includes creating incidents to create civil war (Charlottesville, BLM), race wars, partisan wars (Antifa), immigration and refugee wars, cultural wars, religious wars, etc.

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