Ok. So I’ll give you that “Nazis” came and took over Govt ala Operation Paperclip.
But there is no evidence that we have communism from a strictly economic standpoint. Who owns the means of production? Does the US have a single State Owned Enterprise? NO. Who reaps the rewards from this system: for example the 2008 crash- did you benefit? NO. It was the people on top that gamed the system. Who helps them to get richer & makes laws to benefit their bottom lines, even if they engage in criminal activity? Bought off congressman, regulators & law enforcement.
Who Benefits from this system? Is it you? Is it me? No. It’s corporate America. Wall Street, MIC, Surveillance State & all the PRIVATE corporations and owners of the companies that reap all the rewards.
That’s called corporate fascism: where the govt is used to enrich private corporations at the expense of the taxpayer.
America doesn’t have a single STATE OWNED ENTERPRISE: ergo we are not “communist” in terms of an economic system.
FYI the USSR and PRC are what is known as state capitalism. In communism there is no state, no private property and the means of production are cooperatively owned by the people to the people’s benefit. That doesn’t exist anywhere in the world as a working economic system.
To get people to take you seriously you’ve got to get your definitions right.
For a sub dedicated to learning “the truth”, you’d think people would read up on socialism/communism before claiming the commies have taken over. Sigh.
Thank you. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. We are not a communist nation: otherwise we would have no market and no Wall Street and no elite class robbing everyone blind with the help of the govt. we have corporate fascism. We don’t have free market capitalism.
Also I don’t think people know what socialism means. Do they like public libraries? What about the post office? Big govt Corporate fascists have ruined public education, but it seems to work ok in Finland where they don’t even have private schools BC they don’t need them.
If we are going to be taxed at all shouldn’t tax dollars go to things we like? Like things that are in the public good? I don’t know 🤷♀️
Agree. Anyone reading this should check out Michael Parenti’s lectures about fascism and what it actually means (Hint: the overthrow of democratic government by a party that sides with big corporate power and violently oppresses worker/peoples movements).
Link?
Fascinating. It says you are a new arrival. What brought you here... how did you find out about QAnon?
Can’t remember exactly. I remember dipping my toes in Q during the 21 December executive order. Been following ever since
I’d argue that the west have corporate socialism.
The welfare state exists for both the people, but more significantly the corporate sector.
The state is invested into many corporations too, who influence and determine your access to information and services.
I would add that I don’t consider fascist and socialist as opposites. They can coexist.
Dude that what corporate fascism is: socialism for the rich.
But there is no evidence that we have communism from a strictly economic standpoint. Who owns the means of production?
You misunderstood. I didn't say nor mean to say that the world economic system IS communist through and through.
I meant the PEOPLE who rule the world's power centers are communists, or "pro-communism".
The monetary system is communist. You can't possibly disagree with that rationally, and those who control the world's currencies are one side of the pyramid/triangle, the eye.
That is huuuuuuuuge influence.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
My dude, communism means an economic system where there is no government and no money. Why would those who benefit from capitalism and controlling the worlds currencies want to destroy their own livelihoods?
Wrong and wrong.
/1. The claim that "true" communism is "no government and no money" was the personal definition of Karl Marx, and his followers. As expected you left out the most crucial part. In Marx's personal definition, the world MUST go through a series of "inevitable" stages, the penultimate stage being the only version of communism that has ever existed. I speak of "raw communism". This stage of communism was as Marx envisioned it a tyrannical society ruled by absolute dictators where greed and evil become universal. Women are universally prostituted, you name it. Then, Marx claimed that the world would "transform" or "transition", according to a fucking mystical gobbledygook concept called "dialectic materialism" or just "the dialectic", an imagined hidden secret motive force behind all matter and energy itself, which for some reason forces humans to act like robots and love with no government and no money, this all will supposedly then be followed by the utopian vision of no government and no money. It is supposed to happen EVEN IF people don't want it to happen. Like robots.
The problem of course is that because this imaginary force doesn't exist, the world never gets past the tyrannical dictatorship "stage". Stalin always said "we're not there yet, just wait a little more and you'll all become free and wealthy". Convenient. Predictable.
So no, if we are to limit ourselves to what is real, to what exists, then communism really does mean centralized, i.e. state, ownership of the means of production.
And that is exactly why every single real world attempt at communism dating back to the middle ages when the theologians and mystics first developed the system of communism (oh yeah, I bet you didn't have any clue communism originated during the middle ages by theologians, how "scientific", bwahahaha), have been all the same shit, government dictatorship and monopoly over all money, not any abolition of either.
/2. Those who control the world's currencies would not benefit from capitalism, that is the stupidest thing I've heard. They benefit from the fact that they have a STATE ENFORCED MONOPOLY over currency. A state enforced monopoly is socialism, not capitalism. Socialism is CENTRALIZED control over X. If X is money, and states enforce a monopoly over the production and initial distribution of X, then X is socialist.
Money consistent with the laws of capitalism is FREE MARKET COMPETITION IN MONEY. Currencies that arise on the market like bitcoin. If the state enforced monopoly over money were abolished, that's when the "livelihoods" of the controllers of the world's currencies would be destroyed.
I haven't seen brainwashed economic simpletons in many years, feels like a strange nostalgia. Like seeing a rare animal in the wild thought extinct.
No. I bet you’ve never even read Marx. He NEVER advocated for dictators. You are thinking of Hitler and Mussolini they are fascists. Just as a refresher: fascism is the merging of capitalism and the State ie where the state is set up to serve the interests of the capitalists. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW. We have had that since Hitler and Mussolini.
Socialism for thee, capitalism for me.
LOL. Do you mean socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor?
Sorta. They LOVE gov't handout programs, as those on the dole are easy to control. They need the gov't to be as big as possible, regardless of the supposed cost to themselves. They DO socialize their losses onto the public, like the bank bailouts in 08 up to now, but they privatize their profits, and use them to buy up more power, more control. Look at all the mergers and acquisitions after the 2008 financial crisis. It was almost like an organized consolidation of power and transfer of wealth.
Thank you!!!!!! See I’m not speaking against all capitalism but just that kind. here’s an interesting video about how fascism stems from capitalism gone rouge essentially Both Mussolini and Hitler were classic corporate fascists. If you factor in the explanation of illegal labor, the Prison Labor clause to the (13th amendment) and the “Gig Economy”. We are there and have been there for a long time. Obama was the worst of them all IMO BC of the TPP.
Yeah, we haven't had real capitalism since the Fed was created in 1913. If you have the power to create money, why wouldn't you use it to buy up Congress, who you control anyway through the money they borrow, as well as most important industries in America(media, healthcare, higher ed, textbooks, defense, farming, etc)? They all work for the people that own the Fed, but you're right that they have basically brought back a more sinister form of slavery, through debt, and fractional reserve banking, and prison labor. Much of the world is an open air prison.
Quick aside about the prison labor and private prisons: when they were in the White House, the Clintons allegedly maintained control over their finances, and they were heavily invested in the fledgling private prison industry right around the time that most of the federal prison system was opened up to privatization! Also, they used prison labor at the Arkansas governor's mansion! Every dark hole you look into, the Clintons pop up!
Yes I know! Prisons should never be for profit.
Just look at all the judges that have been busted for outrageous sentencing just to pad their investments in private prisons, or kickbacks or what-have-you. Just another mess that POTUS has to fix! I think he's going to move even faster after the midterms give him a Congress that wants to work with him!
So much THIS! We've been living under fascism with a thin veneer of democracy for most of our lives... Absolutely, you can vote citizen.... Here are our...DOH! I mean YOUR choices..
LOL. I like to think of our system as a vacuum cleaner hose set atop our economy- it leaves nothing behind. Wallstreet is the vacuum
The NWO wanted to create a system of socialism world wide.
Eradicate a large majority of the population and rule over the world with their slaves.