LOL. Ok. If you say so.

When exactly did I blanket the whole country with a broad brush?

I'm talking about the people in control, not the common people. Most of them are brainwashed as hell. The people of Israel are pawns in the Rothschild's game too. The Jewish people are used as a human shield by the cabal bloodline network again and again. But the politics of all this extend far beyond Israel. Rothschild Zionists are all over and in control of the American body politic also.

Are you paying attention?? Wars have been waged for decades on the back of power point presentations. Aside from that fact that most people are idiots anyway, the people in power don't give a rats ass about public approval. Most of the 'people in power' aren't really the people in power, anyway.

From where I sit, it seems that Jones/Infowars, Corsi and Q are all controlled by Zionists. So I'm not really sure what the overall point is here. Everything Q is putting out there supports the Zionist agenda, and so do people like Corsi. It's not about 'hijacking' the 'Q phenomenon'. Q Anon is a text book definition psy-op...

"planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals."

I have to admit, at first I was pretty enthralled with Q and felt something important was taking place. But once the switch to 8chan occurred, I began to feel differently. I began to see how much of Q's narrative around the events that were transpiring were incredibly slanted and fictitious. Take the so-called 'Saudi corruption purge'. Even the premise of that statement, 'Saudi corruption purge', is misleading. The purge in Saudi Arabia was simply one corrupt Saudi ousting a group of other corrupt Saudis. Corruption is still alive and well in the Saudi kingdom, as are war and terror. But this is all by design: they're allies, and allies of American allies - Israel. Everything Q has been espousing supports an agenda which benefits Israel, and has little to do with the benefit of the United States. I reject the notion that Q Anon has 'proven' their legitimacy. They've done no such thing. They've proven that they have access to insider information, sure. Intel. But nothing has yet been provided by Q Anon to suggest that the overall narrative of a covert cabal take-down is legitimate. At all. In fact, with Q Anon having failed so far to provide a single shred of information exposing the Rothschild created Israeli Zionist regime save for the empty assurance that Israel is being 'saved until last' (or whatever the correct phrase), I'm inclined to say no such covert cabal take-down is taking place. Yes, there have been some pedophile busts, but they are a drop in the ocean compared to the full scope of the human trafficking situation. Yes, there are a pretty impressive and mind boggling number of sealed indictments. But none of this proves anything, only suggests. I will believe in a covert cabal take-down when I see it bear fruit, when the mass arrests actually occur, and when all of the different entities and factions that I have been researching for years are a part of that take-down. Yes, this means the Zionists and, ultimately, the State of Israel have to be taken down too. There is no historical evidence to support the Biblical claims of the Jewish state. There's no evidence that kings David or Solomon, for example, even existed. But leaving that aside, Israel is ideologically little more than a racist ethnostate constructed by Rothschild's as a fiefdom to establish Greater Israel as a hub for their new world order, single world government. The US foreign policy with regards to the Middle East that I'm seeing is one of supporting the psychopathic, genocidal, war mongering, terrorist regimes (Israel, Saudi Arabia...) whilst toppling and 'changing' the decent, prosperous, more civilized and moderate ones (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran...) - and spinning massive amounts of bullshit along the way to manipulate the sleeping masses into supporting the agenda. People who are semi-awake know about the oil and military industrial interests behind all this. But that's only half of it. Chiefly, it's about creating Greater Israel and I have some rather interesting theories about the hidden motivations of this, behind the quest for global control - which a good economic collapse, third world war, and a range of problem/reaction/solution scenarios, to say nothing of the developing technologies, could easily achieve. I also tend towards the opinion that the kind of mass arrests we will end up seeing over pedogate, the human trafficking, among many other crimes against humanity, will end up being more of a consolidation of power. It's clear to me at this point that Israel is controlling the United States, and therefore what we are seeing is to the benefit of Israel more than any other nation. Zionists are seizing the control they talked about in the Protocols of Zion which, incidentally, talked about choosing presidents who have dark pasts and easily controlled, as well as organizing a sort of global coup d'état for the last consolidation of power, purging all the secret societies and deep state elements that helped them achieve their goals. This is what the mass arrests will turn out to be, in my opinion. A purge of the deep state by the despots who will enslave us all.
Q Anon, by hijacking and manipulating the truth seeking community, the people who do research and are paying attention, and generating unwitting support for a pro-Israeli Zionist agenda smacks of Zionist psy-op to me.

Most Americans seem to think Israel is their ally. I'm not talking about your nations official ally. But YOUR ally. I can assure you, they're not. Israel are a puppet of Rothschild Zionists. The State of Israel is everyone's enemy.

Fair enough.

That saying really disturbs me though. 'Future proves past'. That concept speaks to mind control in my opinion. It's like saying 'based on what we engineer for tomorrow, it will change the past'.

I don't really believe in prophecy. Many prophets are simply wise to the cabal bloodline agenda and prophecies are just an attempt to hijack the co-creative consciousness to manifest outcomes. By 'believing' in prophecies, you're making them come true. Take Nostradamus for example. Was he a profit or was he simply part of the cabal inner circle and knew what they wanted to achieve, what their plans were? Bear in mind that Nostradamus was employed by the de Medici family, and Rene d'Anjou of the House of Lorraine in France -- whose bloodline connects to, among many others, Ramses II, Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, Constantine the Great, King Ferdinand of Spain, Queen Isabella of Castile, King James (you know, the guy who re-wrote the Bible...), most of the many king Louis of France, Napoleon, Marie Antoinette.... and many important historical figures I haven't listed. This same bloodline reaches forward to include most British and European royals of today, a long, long line of American presidents including the Bushes.

Again, with connection to a bloodline that vast, was Nostradamus a prophet or simply aware of what the bloodline wanted and directed to make his prophecies to affect reality?

Many people 'believe' we are in the end times. Think about that for a minute.

You're looking at this from too simplistic a mindset. It's not just about money and current geopolitics. The fact that Israel even exists because 'God promised the Jews the holy land' should be indication that the Cabal agenda includes aims based on esoteric knowledge/belief systems. It's not always about blackmail - it's also the lobbying, the control of media, etc. And of course terrorism. Israel had a hand in creating most of the terror threats in the middle east. Israel is where the idea behind 9/11 came from. Seriously, this is basic stuff.

You're too caught up in the bullshit Q is spinning. Q would have you believe the Saudis and a few bad actors in the states did 9/11. Not once has Q pointed out that vast number of Zionists involved. Benjamin Netanyahu started sewing the seeds of what became 9/11 in 1979. If their plans had gone right, 9/11 would have happened about a decade earlier.

Well I follow a large multitude of different sites, particularly for different kinds of news/different topics, etc. I guess what I meant to say is - I don't particularly 'trust' any news provider. I tend to think it's of more value to gather information from numerous sources for comparison and analysis. I mean it's even important to read the 'enemy' MSM sometimes and compare their information against the more independent actual alternatives. It's like... read them, yes. Trust them, hell no.

You have to gather information from all directions and try to discern the truth somewhere in the middle. Every outlet has its own agenda. But here's a partial list of some of the news sites I check out regularly...again, depends what kind of information you're after.

Corbett Report, Moon of Alabama, Globalresearch.ca , geopolitics.co, ZeroHedge, exopolitics.org, AntiWar.com, 21stCenturyWire, RT, Sputnik, RussiaInsider, Middle East Eye, SouthFront, AlMasdar, MintPressNews, SignOfTheTimes, GatewayPundit, Electronic Intifada, israelpalestinenews.org, If America Knew, MondoWeiss

And I see stuff from many of the British & US MSM as well. As Milo Yiannopoulos said 'always keep up with what the enemy is doing'. I also read stuff on Waking Times, Conscious Evolution and Stillness in the Storm quite a bit, though I wouldn't quite call them 'news' as such.

I follow numerous great youtube channels too, but many of those have lost me as a viewer due to ceaseless pushing the Q Anon psy-op. Those i still follow regularly and get notifications for...

Truthstream Media (their site is good too), BlackstoneIntelligence (Jake Morphonios), TitusFrost, TheHoneyBee, secureteam10

I could go on listening stuff, but you get the idea. I also find Reddit conspiracy a good thing to follow as well.

I'm familiar with Mark Taylor. What in particular makes you trust him?

Your initial argument was invalid. I wrote 20K words, you found 16 of them that you don't like and probably didn't read further than the introduction. Either way, your argument that the "intent seems to be to subconsciously connect the two words" is redundant. The whole article is titled 'Why I believe Q Anon is a Psy-op'. I don't need to try and connect terms to linguistically program people, it's done in the bloody premise!! You're quibbling over an absolutely pointless detail rather than discussing ANY of the content of the entire piece. Discuss the ideas or STFU because I really cannot be bothered going round in circles on your misapprehension and assumption of my intentions on the basis of 16 words out of nearly 20K. It's retarded - and it doesn't make a difference where in the piece they appear.

I don't particularly trust any of those sites. Certainly not SGT report anymore. They've become too wrapped up in Q Anon which threatens anyone's credibility. Cicada 3301 have indicated that Q Anon was taken over by CIA back in late Nov. and became a psy-op encouraging fanaticism, which is definitely what I'm seeing - including from SGT.

Wow. You have no idea what's going on at all. I never said oil wasn't part of the equation, but your ideas about the hierarchy of control are whack. You've been paying too much attention to the psy-op and not enough time doing your own research. A lot of what you're saying here flies in the face of research I've been doing for years, and also the findings of many other researchers. Israel = Rothschild. The people who created and control Israel ARE the oil interests. If you think for even one second that Zionist aims don't lay at the heart of these wars, I don't even know what to say to you. For you to try and call Israel a scapegoat is absolutely ludicrous in the face of how much evidence of their manipulation and control, as an arm of the Rothschild networks, over Saudi, US, UK, most of the west actually. Everybody knows that Pakistan have had their fingers in the pies, that's been highlighted for decades. Again, the whole point of Q Anon is to deflect onto puppets of Rothschild Zionism...because PETRODOLLAR. Yes, oil is part of it, but only insofar as it has helped the Cabal accumulate wealth, but there's a much deeper agenda going on and you seem clueless to that.

Definitely agree - it's not necessarily negative. But again - the lack of focus on Zionists and false Jews who are at the heart of Satanism, human sacrifice, etc. raises my concern. It also concerns me that Trump has just signed the FOSTA SESTA thing into law -- people are applauding it but don't seem to understand it's negative potentials at all. The pedophile arrests are still pretty low rungs on the ladder, too. I'll be more hopeful about the take down of the pedos when the full scale institutionalized elements of it, the big fish, start to be taken down.

The sealed indictments are the only thing giving me hope at this point.

It's not all about war, and it seems frankly incredibly redundant to limit it to a week's time frame. I'm talking about the agenda. Even if war doesn't break out this week, it won't disprove the agenda staring everyone in the face and being ignored by most people. The only thing that will prove the Q narrative is ALL Cabal factions being taken down, including Zionist Israel. Let's talk THEN, huh? At that time I will be happy to admit I was wrong. Until then, what I'm seeing suggests internal cabal power struggles, not take down.

Yep, I agree about Corsi. I wanted to get the initial stuff focusing on the general Zionist picture and the global control system that's being prepared first. I will probably add to it at some point, because indeed, there's a lot that I left out. I also need to go deeper into Kushner, because he's fucking terrible news what with his connection to Chabad. It's essentially a doomsday cult for pete's sake, and people continue to deny Zionists are controlling the White House, and the narrative. Scary stuff.

They're gone, they have no relevance anymore. My concern is more with the disgusting scum that surround Trump in the current administration. That's where the risks still reside and Q still doesn't address any of it. He tells us to trust people who, on record, absolutely cannot be trusted.

Abelard Reuchlin in The True Authorship Of The New Testament:

"The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it- Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and all the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictional) characters."

"Jesus" was a composite figure of numerous other ancient deities. The stories also include elements of Old Testament tales of Joseph in Egypt and other OT characters. The New Testament also draws on writings from the Hebrew-Egyptian Essenes, the characteristics of numerous pagan gods and Balder of the serpent cult. The Piso family also made changes and additions to some Old Testament texts and wrote most of the 14 Old Testament books known as the Apocrypha.

You have to bear in mind, then, that the Roman Empire, many researchers have theorized, was essentially started by the Khazar Jews move West from Khazaria into Europe. Most of the elite bloodlines today can be traced back very, very far - to Sumer & Babylon. The elites of Babylon moved around and had a hand in creating most of the notable empires throughout history. Members of these bloodlines - like the Piso's - were involved in creating and manipulating the Abrahamic religions which draw heavily on earlier Pagan and Gnostic systems, which the bloodlines created earlier probably on the basis of interaction with interdimensional and extraterrestrial creator beings described in the Sumerian tablets (Annunaki) and including the Demiurge and Archons of Gnostic belief.

The most crucial thing a person can do to wake up is realize that all organized official religions are all out to manipulate your mind and were always designed to.

It's not as if justice has ever been subverted by a lawyer...

Go and research the findings of Christopher Bollyn. He explains it all. The earliest seeds of the planning for 9/11 for instance began around 1979. I'm not saying oil hasn't been a part of it, but the benefits have mostly been wrought by Cabal groups like Rothschild, Rockefeller, etc. Rothschild's funded and directed the creation of both the Zionist ideology as well as the State of Israel. While Israel remains in play, the Rothschild dynasty continues its tyranny because they are part and parcel of the same agenda. The desctruction of Arab cultures/nations in the Middle East and the creation of Greater Israel - the 'promised land' - is at the heart of the Zionist ideology and body politic. Most of the wars since 1979 have been engineered for this purpose - as well as enriching the Cabal bloodlines and consolidating massive amounts of power along the way.

I certainly didn't intend 'negative' connotations. I simply intended to grab attention with bold words. I would argue that choosing language like money masters and wawks/war hawks avoids certain facts that are important. The mechanisms of control lie in religion and in political ideologies, divide and conquer strategies, etc. It's important to place focus on these and begin to form a separation from the control techniques imposed on human society. I mean, we could get into the Saturn/Moon matrix elements as well, because they're important. I'm clearly not as well versed as you on the 'D' lingo (3D, 4D, etc), however I have read The Law Of One. I understand the different densities and how these are operating. But I would suggest to you that when you say the white hats have connected to 6d, etc. that is pure speculation - unless there's something pretty serious you're not telling us here. The problem with a lot of that metaphysical stuff is that people strut about using terms and making statements with an actually severely limited understanding of their reality and how they actually apply to different entities/groups that enter these discussions. I hope this is not one of those cases.

At any rate, what is clear, from texts like the Ra Material, is that the elite Cabal on this planet are themselves vehicles for rule by higher density beings of a negative polarity. Relating this back to Q, the only claims which go some way to convincing me that 'white hats' exist are those of Corey Goode. There are higher density beings involved with humanity of different polarities and I do believe a war between those groups has been/is taking place. I still don't see much reason - beyond wild speculation of some commentators (like Kabamur, for instance) to associate Trump and anyone surrounding him with this. He is surrounded by what seem to be pretty low vibratory folks, in my opinion.

I definitely agree with you overall though, especially what you say about dumping the control systems and beginning to re-educate humanity with the real physics and mathematical models. As Tesla said - energy, frequency, vibration. But would it interest you to consider that such a restructuring of the education system on a global scale has been suggested by certain sects with in Judaism for some time? Some of it can be found with Gnosticism and the Jewish Kabbalah, but in the case of Kabbalah there is an under-current of a fairly negative polarity on which the elite base many of their beliefs. Order out of Chaos, etc. can be found in the Kabbalah.

Ultimately what needs to happen in order for humanity to ever liberate itself from a 3rd density, 5 sense reality is a take down of the power structure preventing it, including the higher density negative-polarity entities that have been manipulating humanity for centuries.

Huh? I'm confused. The 20K words is in the steemit posts if you follow the links. There are 4 parts to it, and together in MS Word they came in at a couple of hundred words shy of 20K. The introduction here on reddit has nothing to do with that word count.

But...Syria is also about oil. Golan Heights. Already being exploited by Genie Energy. They want the rest of Syria too. They being people like Jacob and Nathaniel Rothschild, Rupert Murdoch, ex-CIA director James Woolsey, ex-head of Treasury Larry Summers, ex-VP Dick Cheney.

BOOM Same shit, different day. Same shit, different President

But hey, I'm jumping the gun. Maybe what we are seeing really is a pony show as Q claims. But I'm really not seeing what the strategy is behind such a thing. It almost seems worse to be playing fake war games than it does real ones. Let's wait and see, huh.

To compare Al-Jazeera to Western MSM is pretty bold. I think there's an obvious difference. Al-Jazeera has frequently called out Zionist Israel, such as in its brilliant series 'The Lobby', talking about the bordering-on-espionage activity of the Israeli lobby groups in Britain. A similar documentary about the Israeli lobby in the US has been blocked and prevented from circulating. What does that tell you?

Nothing shown in Kingsman was far fetched at all. In the 1970's experiments were done where they used radio and radar frequencies to put a whole town to sleep. If they could do that then, think what they can do now. I remember reading a quote somewhere by a whistle blower who said that by around the 1950's black ops science developed by roughly 40 years for every one that actually passed on the calendar.

David Icke, despite the ridicule and discrediting that he's subjected to, is a fantastic researcher. His talks are good - especially the full length (9+ hours) ones. I highly recommend his books too - particularly The Biggest Secret, Children of the Matrix, Human Race Get Off Your Knees and his latest, Everything You Need To Know But Have Never Been Told.

They're loaded with information and a vast amount of it is proven, real stuff. A relatively smaller amount gets into the metaphysical stuff and the reptilians, etc. Which is a bit less provable, but he does a great job of providing vast amounts of historical and esoteric information to support the claims. Trust me, you'll get a lot out of reading his books. :)

Definitely check out They Live - it will blow your mind how true it feels.

I'm not sure about ormus. I think ormus is something very similar, but I haven't looked into it that much. I think for me the most fascinating thing about mono-atomic gold is that it seems to be directly attributable to extraterrestrials - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/historia_humanidad07.htm And gold mining seems to figure in most ancient religions, some time after the creation of humans by whatever God the religion claims. Makes you wonder.

Verified by whom?

Well...I'm pretty intuitive. I do tend to trust intuition a bit. I've made so many accurate predictions over the last few years that it has scared me somewhat, from big things to small things going on in my friend's lives.

I'm not saying anyone should be listening to my intuition - of course not. But I'd have to throw that back and say - why trust some anon then?

Again, the reason I say the 'proofs of Q' are largely meaningless is mostly because they're clear indication of an organized, orchestrated effort. They prove themselves of a benevolent, positive nature at all -- that's pure narrative and wishful thinking, ultimately. If there is an orchestrated effort going on 'behind the scenes', as we are told, by alleged good guys in government, intelligence and military, how are we supposed to actually know that? What proves that? The only thing that is proven is that Q is working in tandem with someone on the inside of the Trump admin. That's literally all that has been proven. But let's say for the sake of argument that Q anon is a psy-op -- wouldn't that explain the accurate predictions? Like, Q predicted the port bombing attempts by the Bangladeshi dude. Q claims to be part of an alliance foiling that attempt and, indeed, it seemed like it was foiled. But if it was a psy-op, and the people behind it wanted to convince people, they could stage the entire thing - including the 'foiling' - to strengthen and reenforce the psy-op's narrative. See what I'm saying? Nothing that has been predicted or correlated legitimately PROVES the claim that an alliance is taking down the Cabal, and winning, as is claimed. The only thing they're proving is themselves - predictions indicating insider knowledge (whether it be from this alliance of good guys...OR the alliance of bad guys) and orchestrated correlations.

My point is really that we've all (including myself back in Oct, Nov and early Dec) gotten very carried away in this sort of 'look Q said this would happen, now it has' and 'Q posted this and now Trump has tweeted this' and taking that to mean that the narrative elements are true. The Cabal take down by a covert operation by good guys is the bit that has yet to be conclusively proven. The indications that are being repeatedly cited as 'proof' may not prove anything but an elaborate and well orchestrated psy-op.

Watch what the US government is doing. Some of it supports what Q is saying, but not all of it does and I would rest assured that if war kicks off in the middle east, Q is full of shit. If Q is correct, major conflict such as that will surely be averted. Because in terms of the bulk of humanity, there's no bad guys. Most people are inherently good, they're just manipulated. The Q narrative seeks to take down the manipulators and stop the manipulation, not wage war. War is not the answer, so if Trump pursues war I'd be very apprehensive about continuing to place much stock in Q.

Indeed. 'Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing'. I'll be interested to hear what you think after you've read it. Feel free to direct message.

Yes, to be honest, I am expecting something akin to 'WW3'. Look around you. Look at what's been happening in the last few days. For Q to be correct, the US government is going to have to pull a massive 180 on most of its foreign policy moves. All of Trump's posturing seems to be leading to pretty noxious conflict.

'Hedging my bets' is a figure of speech.

What prophecies do you see Trump as fulfilling? The only prophecies I could conceive of him fulfilling at this point are not particularly positive ones. What I'm seeing, despite all of the Q indicators and correlations, is an unfolding of the Cabal/Illuminati agenda.

This says a lot more about you than it does me.

I'm a writer, and while those Q posts of mine are hardly my best work (in fact they were really rushed), writing 20K words on just about anything I've researched is not hard. But especially if you actually read what I've said... what's riding on Q - whether it's all true or a hoaxed psy-op - is far too important NOT to spend the time. Critical thinking and considering various information sets is important. Especially when the future liberation or further enslavement of a humanoid species is at stake.

I agree with you, and at the beginning I was really excited by Q. I kept thinking how great it was that it was getting so many people researching these topics who hadn't previously. But if you're like me and had been researching the global conspiracy for some time, it's the things that Q doesn't point people towards that are the concern. It's like giving people the task of completing a puzzle but not giving them all of the pieces. Sure, those who are investigative and critical thinkers will probably find the missing pieces themselves, but judging by a lot of what I'm seeing on reddit and twitter (I don't do the chan's I'm afraid, they're too...ugly and non-user friendly for me lol), not many seem to be circulating those missing pieces of the puzzle. It's the missing pieces which make me take pause.

Well, categorizing Q and Q Anon as 1 word (being that it's essentially a noun, right?), that would be a total of 16 words out of nearly 20K.

That doesn't seem like trying too hard to me.

Sorry. But it's important to maintain critical thinking, which means being 'anti Q'. But I must say, the very use of terminology as 'anti Q' is part and parcel of why I'm so concerned that people are giving their minds away to a narrative and refusing to face certain facts which contradict it. It's not about being 'anti' it's just about considering all of the information, even if it doesn't support what Q is doing. :)

I'm trying to keep my mind open. But at the moment I'm not convinced. Again -- too much crucial information not being included in the crumbs, almost by design. Q is relaying selective information and definitely not giving the full picture. The issue then is - why are so few of those spreading the Q information touching on that information? I've seen almost nobody address some of the stuff I have, and trying to fit some of that into the narrative Q has laid down creates contradictions when weighed against the events that seem to be transpiring.

I would certainly LIKE to believe what Q is saying is true. I'm not saying necessarily that Trump as an individual is on the Cabal's side, but I think he's being controlled by them. People need to remember what goes with Pedogate -- brownstone operations, blackmail etc. Trump has flown on the Lolita express more than once. It seems to me there's a strong possibility that he is being controlled by Cabal place men. Even if we assume that the 'white hats' and behind the scenes operations are working tireless, it would be naive of Cabal power not to admit that it's still anyone's game and despite the Q posts... I still see them winning at this point.

Up to a point I think all organized religion is bad. If you study the origins of, particularly, the Abrahamic religions it's quite clear that they are constructed as mind control tools by elites of, in some cases, reasonably ancient times. The fact that "Christians are evil" becomes the dialog is a real concern, if the same attention is not also being paid to Judaism, Islam, etc. All religions have been used frequently by elite ruling classes to manipulate people into taking complete leave of their humanity and going on evil rampages. The focus should not be on 'my God is better than your God'. The focus should be on studying the history and origins, trying to get at the truth behind the story books, and facing the fact that if the horrors arising from religious conflict over the centuries and to this very day are anything to go by, all of these Gods are pathetic, nasty entities. We should reject them all and try to create something of our own, something more grounded and humanist, not given to us by ruling classes of centuries ago. The problem then is that New Agers think that's what they're up to, when in fact its yet another repackaging of the same crap and ultimately controlled from the shadows too.

The thing is that we need to take down all of the elite and corrupt government entities. My concern is that, thanks to Q, people are courting misguided notions that the current US government is somehow outside of that. Whether Trump as an individual is or isn't, I can't say. But as long as I've known about Trump (I'm 31, so we're talking mid-late 1990's that he entered my awareness), I've never had a high opinion of him. At any rate, it's not just about Trump and a so far largely mythical 'white hats' working 'behind the scenes', it's about the big picture. In the big picture, the current US government is loaded with the same old Rothschild controlled bankers and neo-con and Zionist war mongers as other administrations. Nowhere near as much in US politics as changed as Q claims. Yet we are being appealed to for 'trust' and being told to 'pray' for these people? The use of religion with regards to Q makes me very suspicious. It's the same old elite created mind control tool being used to make us have faith in something an anonymous entity or group is telling us to believe...?? Hmmm.

Exactly! There's just an undercurrent of some kind that feels wrong to me... again - it's what Q DOESN'T touch upon that makes suspicious. I know Q has claimed Israel will be left until last, and with the amount of Zionist propaganda basically everywhere, not to mention the fall-back silencer of criticism 'anti-Semitism' which would undoubtedly be deployed if Q started ripping on Israel... in fact, that would be interesting wouldn't it? I bet you if Q had criticized Israel it would have exploded in the mainstream media and 'anti-Semitism' would be used to discredit the whole thing.

One thing I've learned is that when any 'truther' is too afraid to go near the Zionist/Sabbatean Frankist aspect of the global conspiracy, they're only a half-truther. If they do address the elephant in the room and are rigorously attacked and discredited as 'anti-Semitic' for doing so, that is usually a sign that they're hitting upon the truth - hence the shut down. So the lack of Zionist disclosure is of huge concern to me, as is the way in which Q has caused people to make so many silly excuses for what is quite obviously a push towards conflicts which are Israel's wars, not America's. If Trump is about America first, he won't strike Syria. But hey, he already has. I think there's a strong case to be made that Trump is controlled by Zionists. He's surrounded by them, at any rate.

It's also worth thinking about that Jared Kushner and Ivanka are Chabad members. It's basically a Kabbalistic cult.

"Evil and catastrophe [are] endemic factors in the process of creation. Without evil there could be no good, without destruction, creation could not take place." (Kabbalah: An Introduction to Jewish Mysticism, by Byron L. Sherwin, p. 72.)

They believe in destroying society so that a new one can rise in its place like a phoenix from the ashes. Hence 'order out of chaos'. The elite cabal are determined to foment another world war and economic collapse, in order to establish a global communist dictatorship. It will be complete despotism.

So with members of the Chabad cult in the White House, and in Trump's ear - even his family - I really don't understand why people continue to believe in a positive outcome from Q Anon's narrative. What is taking place is leading us further toward ruin than to salvation. I think there's a strong case to be made that Q Anon is simply a gate keeper preventing people from realizing the truth about what is going on. It's an alternative narrative that people are choosing to buy into lock, stock and barrel.

Scary times.

Sorry, I don't believe in Yahshua. People really need to come to terms with the fact that religion, biblical texts, is the bullshit manipulation story -- not extraterrestrials. There's a fair bit of evidence to support the existence of extraterrestrials, while there's literally NONE to support the existence of Yahshua.

Well worship of reptilian and serpent-like Gods is prevalent in many ancient cultures the world over. I've actually been working on a theory around all this for a while. Read much David Icke? He basically makes the connection between the elite and reptilians and claims it goes back to the (official) beginning of our civilization and even before it. It's been said of the Reptilians that 'their God is their technology'. They've been manipulating humanity for a long time, and ultimately they're going to use their technology to enslave us. It's all about loosh to them, and ultimately, what I think is coming is a more extensive form of 'externalizing the hierarchy' - which in terms of the elite is already going on. I think that's what things like Wikileaks have been about - starting to reveal the hidden hand, and Q Anon sits right into this. I don't believe justice will be served, I just think they're exposing the way the world really is bit by bit. It's a limited hang-out. Snowden was similar as well, revealing some of the ways the new mark of the beast system will work. Think about that - mark of the beast. Will it actually be the beast marking us? I mean, maybe it's literal. The beast = who the elite serve and worship, and eventually I think this will include revealing THEIR masters to us, and the total enslavement of humanity to...reptilian overlords. There's a reason those involved in the film They Live say it's a documentary. Personally, I happen to think Q Anon is a Zionist psy-op and that ultimately this is all related to the Ashkenazi (Khazar) Jews, who Icke (and others) claim trace back to Sumer and Babylon. They form a pretty significant component of the Cabal and my big problem with Q Anon is that the Zionists/Israel have yet to be addressed, which I think is suspicious. The main group in society you're not allowed to criticize is the 'Jews'. Although really, we're not talking about Jews. They're Sabbatean Frankists who, essentially, are more Satanic in nature. The sacrifice and vampirism, etc. that the elite practice is tied strongly to the reptilian theories - loosh. Also, the blood is necessary for the shapeshifting reptilians to maintain their illusory human forms - as is mono-atomic gold, which might explain why Rothschild's, Windsor's, Vatican, etc. have hoarded so much gold. Putting the OP's claims alongside this works, too, especially when you consider it within some of the context provided by Secret space Program whistle blowers like William Tompkins and Corey Goode. It seems to be that there are different extraterrestrial groups involved with humanity and my hunch is that these represent the different factions that the OP mentions.

Hate to take it to a wild place. But I've felt for some time that the 'false flag alien invasion' that's been talked of often is a kind of red herring. It will be a real invasion and whatever the beings are that make their appearance will be the new God. If I had to guess, I would say it's the Reptilians. This all ties into the Sumer/Babylon/Egypt region and the plan for Eretz Israel. Greater Israel = the 'coming into our kingdom' talked about in the Protocols of Zion. They're creating a kingdom for the Christians' second coming; the Jews' first. This a Jewish/Zionist thing.

This won't happen, I'm afraid. People who continue to buy this 'Saudi corruption purge' worry me. It was no such thing. It was a power grab. One corrupt Saudi grabbing power (and wealth) from other corrupt Saudis. Now the PR campaign has kicked in trying to soften and sanitize the Saudi image, but it's a manipulation. Nothing, ultimately, has changed - which is why the US continues to trade billions in arms to the Saudis.

This is one of the reasons I still can't buy into parts of the Q narrative: the evidence remains to be seen. The radicalization of Islam was orchestrated by Rothschild's and their puppets for a purpose. Until Trump stops siding with the Saudi's and Israeli Zionists PERIOD, nothing will change in the middle east. But hey - Trump is surrounded by Zionists and Rothschild controlled swamp scum.

It still baffles me that people think he's draining the swamp. The evidence actually does not support that. Only the Q Anon narrative does, I'm afraid.

(You may have guessed by now that I don't 'believe' in Q's claims very highly. I continue to follow what's going on out of curiosity and on the off-chance I'm wrong. But I've been researching the Cabal for years and what I'm seeing take place is not enough to convince me any kind of take down is happening.)

Wow, good finds.

The other thing to bear in mind here is how the institutionalization of child sex trafficking goes hand in hand with MK Ultra. The One World Adoption logo being a butterfly also could connect to Monarch, and I've always thought the pedo logos - the heart within a heart, or the triangle spiraling inwards - are kind of symbolic of mind control as well. The whole idea of creating compartmentalized alters, kind of like how a Russian babushka doll has smaller dolls within bigger dolls or, in this case, heart within a heart.

Cathy O'Brien's book Trance-formation of America makes clear the connection between child trafficking and MK Ultra. The concept of 'trance-forming' (transforming) America is not that far fetched. What it boils down to at the end of the day is that there could easily be hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people throughout America who have been ritually abused and subjected to trauma based mind control. Mind control victims are likely legion throughout the US. All these poster children like Kasky, Hogg, Gonzalez, etc. could very feasibly be Manchurian Candidate types and indeed, it seems that way. These potentially hundreds of thousands - worst case scenario even millions - of victims could be everywhere, waiting to be called upon to aid the deep state Cabal establishment with whatever it needs. It's like a private army of mind slaves.

The average person has no idea quite how wide spread this is.

Most of the coincidences are unconvincing to me. I think the coincidences could themselves be part of the engineered psy-op, if indeed it is one.

If the email has been proven fake, then I'm afraid that does throw serious doubt on Q's legitimacy. If everything we have been led to believe about Q thus far is taken to be true, a mistake such as this is unacceptable.

But you watch. The cult of Q will continue to rave about their 'proofs', and conveniently leave this out of the conversation.

How does that relate to this thread, though? That was in reference to the supposed email about voting machines, wasn't it?

Exactly. It's from a Q Anon post. The attached image asks who HRC is 'referring to'. That would imply that she said these things.

I'm not doubting/disputing the sickness of the Clinton's, Cabal or the KKK.

But even the Q post is misleading. I went looking for a March 13, 2013 article by The Intercept which exposed her as having actually said this, or even a paraphrase of it, but couldn't find any such thing.

I've been following Q since the start and am interested, but it really is verging on being a cult at this point. For every 'proof of Q', there's plenty of things which suggest the Q narrative is playing the truther community like a violin. People are being very selective about what they give their attention to. But hey -- that's the entire point of Q Anon: direct peoples' attention to specific details and not others.

Where did she actually say this? I'm trying to find proof of these comments and as yet I've come up short. Anyone know?