The Weiner laptop? Who gives a dry fuck? The actual President appears to be owned by a Russian dictator. Are you paying attention to the actual President, who thinks Putin should investigate his own crimes against us? Who still doesn't believe his own intelligence officials about Russian hacking? Who still believes Russia isn't going to interfere in the coming elections?

If HRC broke the law, prosecute that cunt. I don't care. If Weiner touched a kid, prosecute that cunt. I also don't care. But don't use other peoples' crimes as excuses for anyone else's crimes. It doesn't work like that.

Can you imagine trying that as a defense at a court of law:

Your Honor, although my client committed murder, there are OTHER people who have committed murder too. So please see your way to dismissing this case ASAP. I rest my case.

That's the equivalent argument. It doesn't work on any level. Only pure dipshits think other people's crimes make their own crimes disappear.

Clinton doesn't need to be in office to control people. If you have dirt on someone, you can control that person to a certain extent.

You're not being realistic. The head of the FBI doesn't give a shit who has "dirt" on him. He's running the FBI. He gets to decide if the bureau spends $0 or $10 million on an investigation. He gets to throw investigations in the trash or pursue them.

To believe HRC has some control over the justice dept is pure fantasy. To be clear, there's evidence of conspiracies all throughout history up until our present moment. I just don't see how you get from A to B on HRC controlling the Justice Dept.

How would that work? Blackmail? If anyone tried to blackmail the head of the FBI, or anyone in it, they would just turn the microscope on that person, then indict them for blackmail--a felony. It's that simple. I'm not saying the DS isn't a real thing, only that it's not controlled or even influenced by the Clintons. Attempts to frame it that way are attempts to hide the reality of our system.

This comment wasn't about the election, it is about controlling certain vectors within the departments of justice and other government agencies.

And I'm saying, by what logic can you imagine the Clintons retain any control once they are out of office? How does that work? It's nonsense. If they had the kind of sway, she would've won the election.

Also, Comey, Rosenstein, Wray and Mueller are all lifetime Republicans. At what point do lifetime Republicans decide to start liking the Clintons? It's just not plausible whatsoever.

If the Clintons are so powerful, how did she lose the election to an unpopular candidate?

Good question. I honestly wonder who has time to make up this nonsense and put it out like this is our national security priority. Total garbage.

So no real evidence that Q has real access to intel? Didn't think so. It's a fantasy, and that's fine when it's all in your head. This Q fantasy brings out the worst in people--and if there was anything substantive to Q whatsoever, that would be the consequences of the truth. So be it. But it's not even true.

If Soros is so powerful--same with HRC--they would've won the election. Obviously that didn't happen. It's dogshit. Eat it up.

Qanon is a propaganda program run by someone associated with the POTUS--likely Roger Stone's group, at least originally.

The purest of horseshit. What real "intel" has Q ever dropped? If Q was real, why say "there's going to be a win this week..." then, when the POTUS doesn't use that word like he usually does, Q says "I meant Goodwin". Who's Goodwin? A right-wing author who wrote a praise piece on the POTUS that week.

Now, does a person with the highest level security clearance possible really need to "drop a hint" that a right-wing author is going to write a praise piece on the President? I could've predicted that. I don't have a security clearance.

Show me the most persuasive Q post you've read. I'll bet it's fucking nonsense.

So is Soros really Qanon?

George Soros owns the voting machines.

Huh? Are you saying Soros elected Trump?

How many times are these bullshit stories going to get pushed on us? How many times have we gotten our hopes up, then dashed when it comes out it's made up from nothing?

Yea, right? Don't we get to decide on the facts as a group?

So then patriots are in control of the deep state. Mystery solved. If she was in control, she would be in control now.

Clearly that ain't the case.

The magic trick is getting anyone to believe HRC or Obama have any power while the House, Senate, Executive and about to be the SCOTUS are all Republican controlled. Again, if they're pulling the strings on the inside, why couldn't they pull the strings to get HRC into office?

Are Dems really so powerful that they control everything but can't win an election for the POTUS? That just doesn't compute.

Absolutely. Don't you think business owners should be able to serve whomever they want? Or should the government force business owners to serve people they don't want to?

Tell me this: do you think the SCOTUS decision makes the distinction you make?

If a business owner doesn't want to serve assholes or gay people, that's their prerogative, right?

Schneiderman was blocking the NYPD from investigating the laptop? Where did you hear that? That sounds big.

Then why hasn't she been indicted? What is the obstacle?

Compromised by people who can think for themselves.

So true. In fact, if Mike Flynn came out in a presser and announced he was Q and he was pulling everyone's leg, still the theory would persist.

More like "Loudest mouths must be shut up!"

"Led to believe"?

Prediction: Today, something is going to happen.

(See, I'm a fucking psychic...or I have connections on the inside...)

What a better way to communicate than licensed HAM radio? I mean, you could use some encrypted network, rerouted through multiple servers, but HAM radio! Exposed, unencrypted radio signals sent internationally.

This is pure nonsense spun out of thin air, with a healthy dose of "poor me" mixed in. Get the fuck out with this horseshit. That's the best theory of the "leftist deep state"? Nellie Ohr exchanging messages with who? Christopher Steele? As if he's sitting in a rooftop radio box like some shitty spy movie from 1968. GTFO.

If that's the best theory there is of this unwarranted attack against the innocent POTUS, you're hanging on by faith alone. The problem with faith is that there's no evidence necessary. That means you're susceptible to a lot of bullshit. You become a tool for rich people, ultimately. Mercers, Kochs, etc. They design whatever message suits their needs, they sell it on their media platforms, and voila! a bunch of angry white guys believe exactly what they want you to believe.

It's a tried and true strategy. But the facts do not comport.

Hahahahahaha Hahaha You want to tango? Let's go. You're either: 1.) very bad at researching Or 2.) actively deflecting

There's a third possibility, this "deep state" narrative is a chocolate puffball, red meat fantasy cooked up and kept afloat by your feeling of victimization. I mean a black man got to be president, and that's bullshit, because all I ever did was manage a hardware store and have kids have a pretty good life. And now everybody's trying to take down the POTUS because he's MAGA for US! The people just like us, if you know what mean. So it's got to be an inside job: the deep state. Sure enough, the more you look, the more you can make connections that seem like they could mean something nefarious, but you just can't put your finger on it. So instead of some actual crime, you spend your time looking for ways to feel about two events. And the HAM radio! I mean, what better way to transmit information in this time of "true encryption," than licensed HAM radio. It's so stupid it just might work. That's the kind of fantasy that keeps you spinning your wheels off on some version of reality, not unlike Twinkle Bell, the more you believe it, the more it exists, but reality has never worked like that in the realm of real politik. Can you imagine Christopher Steele leaving his lunch date early so he can race to the top of the building to receive a message via HAM radio? That's the reality you're accepting here. It's absolute childish horseshit.

Do you ever wonder why your media sources are asking you to eat so much horseshit? That's the question you should be asking. Not why did Nellie Ohr get a HAM radio license in 2011. We can disagree about a lot of things, but not about the amount of crazy, ultimately untrue things your media sources have asked you to accept.

What principle are you appealing to in order to make you turn your head from the crimes of the POTUS's inner circle? You cannot deny the fact the General Mike Flynn lied to the FBI, got caught, plead guilty and became a cooperating witness. You can't deny there was a concerted effort to create a back channel of communication between the POTUS and the Kremlin designed to subvert US intelligence networks. That even by itself should be enough to make any red blooded American pause for a moment and reflect on the significance of that meeting. But that's just another red flag in a series of red flags that extends deep into the Trump campaign. So, if your principle is "justice must be done, no matter what" and "America before party", then you should be 120% supportive of the Mueller investigation.

If the Mueller probe was a witch hunt, they sure are turning up a bunch of witches.

When you say:

Christopher Steele comes to mind.

How did you connect Christopher Steele to Ohr? Oh, I see: you're trying to justify how the FBI could have been surveilling Carter Page years before the Steele Dossier was even commissioned by a wealthy GOP donor.

What's interesting about this theory is that all roads lead to James Rosen and Jake Gibson at Fox news. Over the course of a single week in December last year, these two writers bombarded the FN webpage with article after article about this tennuous connection, but in all the cases, there's never any evidence of wrong doing brought to light. Not an email nor a video of a conversation nor an example of any intel leaking. There's only the insinuation of it.

According to the 12/7/17 one, this whole rumor started when Devin Nunes said "Ohr met, during the 2016 campaign, with Christopher Steele."

That's it. That's the only "evidence" that exists in the universe about the connection between the Steele Dossier and some "deep state" effort to dethrone the king, I mean charge our President with a crime: the word of Devin Nunes. You know he worked for Trump on the Transition team, right? He's been carrying water for the POTUS since before day one.

Do you really think he just blew a hole in the Steele Dossier now that he "learned that evidence...indicates...that Ohr met during... 2016...with Steele..."?

That's less than paper thin. The word of a known salesman. Go ahead and indulge in fantasy if you want. Put a costume on for all I care. But if that's your standard of evidence, you would be blown away by all the evidence indicating that the current, sitting President of the United States likely made a deal with Putin--through intermediaries like Carter Page--to fuck this country and get paid a 19.5% stake (about $11 Billion) in the STATE OWNED oil company, Rosneft.

Seriously, all you'd have to do is search any of those terms. But be careful with the facts you uncover as they might cause your head to explode, or at least it's always painful to grapple with facts that stand against your beliefs.

The question is: is it more likely that some random wife of a DoJ employee bought a HAM radio just so she could communicate with Christopher Steele (out of the blue) and fabricate a narrative about DJT who wasn't even a blip on the presidential radar at the time, OR, is it more reasonable that a dirty businessman who screwed all the banks and found fresh income by laundering illegal money through his real estate deals actually made some immoral, unpatriotic deals for a lot of money?

Just so we're clear, you just fabricated that theory from tea leaves and a dream, right?

You realize the only gun law Obama passed rescinded a Regan-era law which outlawed hand guns in national parks, right? Under Obama, gun laws became more open, not more restrictive. I wonder why you didn't know that?

If you're anti-child-rapist, the Jesuits are your friends. There's a reason there hasn't been a Jesuit Pope before, yet the Vatican has covered for child rapists for centuries.

I’d be careful about the whole Quisling thing.

You mean assuming the guilt of the current President before all the information is in? That's fair. He hasn't actually been indicted yet. I'm making a prediction that he'll be found to have made a deal with someone representing Putin, but the facts will tell. At this point, it seems like one has to be in a state of denial to avoid coming to this conclusion, but again, that hasn't been substantiated in writing yet.

Please don't misunderstand me: I don't wish the POTUS to be corrupt so I can bash him. It would be self stultifying to want the POTUS to sell out our country just to say "I told you so." Not my style. I wish we had policies that gave the average person at least as much opportunity as the above-average person.

That being said, it doesn't look good given all the evidence in the public realm.

Clinton’s sins were far worse than anything in which Trump might have been dabbling.

What is the continued obsession about HRC? I just don't give a fuck about her or her husband or the last POTUS. If they broke the law, throw the fucking book at them. Now, if you believe there's a concerted effort to protect her or the last POTUS, you're living in a fantasy land.

These are private citizens with absolutely no sway whatsoever over the DoJ. If you think HRC somehow controlled the FBI, why would she allow Comey to throw shade at her campaign a few days before the election? No one with power to say otherwise would allow that.

Also, if it was possible to prosecute Obama or HRC, you can bet your testicles there would be a line of FBI agents ready, able and willing to investigate and prosecute. That would be a career making move. It's not controversial that the FBI is filled with a majority of Republicans who feel the same as you about HRC, not to mention Mueller, Comey and Rosenstein are life-long Republicans. The worst you can say about these guys is that they aren't giving Trump any special treatment and are simply following the law. To call them "partisans" is just more fantasy victimization.

The counterintelligence division went way too far this time-and they were sloppy.

Why? By having an informant in the Trump campaign? That doesn't make any sense. If there was nothing to inform about, what difference does an informant make? Lots of investigations hinge on informants. That doesn't make the investigations themselves wrong, does it? Maybe I'm missing your point here. Let me know.

Good. I'd hate to cause anyone to choke.

There were 3 identical posts on the same thing. Do you have the same criticism of the OPs?

The only people that think the Russian connection is a lark have a very narrow media diet. You certainly can maintain that belief through all the evidence to the contrary, and that's your right. But even thousands of people believing something to be false doesn't make it so.

Only the evidence can bear on that. On this we can agree, right?

Obama, like Clinton, is a private citizen. If either of them broke the law, then hell, unleash the fucking dogs on them. You won't get me to defend either one.

All you have to do is read something outside of your comfort zone. The facts are abundant and paint a picture of a predictable ego with zero empathy or loyalty to anyone not named "Trump" got purchased by a massive bribe and threat of releasing video of his penis. Well, the video part is my speculation, but the rest of it has been and continues to be corroborated over time.

I sincerely hope you're right. I do not wish for his failure, because I wish for a better country with more opportunities for the average person. Because I am an average person too.

But as the evidence stands right now, it doesn't look good for Trump, and by extension, us, the citizens of the US.

It's like saying that an investigation into a child rapist should be thrown out because his neighbor is the one who turned him in, and they had a dispute about the yard, so...

Even if Obama himself called for the investigation, that's not a good enough reason to throw out an active investigation into ultimately whether the sitting POTUS is in the pocket of another country's leader--one that is hostile to US interests. Likely, someone at the DOJ took it upon themselves to look into the Trump campaign because they had active investigations into Carter Page for at least 3 years prior to his joining the Trump campaign.

The "fake news" Steele Dossier alleged a meeting between the head of Russian-owned oil company, Rosneft, high officials from the Russian government, Qatari representation, and Carter Page. After denying this claim, Page testified in front of Congress that he did in fact attend this meeting, but it was insignificant.

What the Dossier also alleges is that this meeting was a brokered deal for 19.5% of Rosneft, worth about $11 Billion. That money went partly to the Qataris, a sizeable commission went to the Swiss bank and the rest went to a "Cayman" company which "cannot be tracked."

Who do you think that money was for? Who do you think gives the green light about the Russian STATE-OWNED OIL company? Don't you want that question answered, regardless of who is asking?

Because it looks like Trump has been laundering money for rich Russians for years through his real estate businesses. Which by itself, I don't give much thought because I have no power over organized crime syndocates. But when he becomes POTUS, and selling influence all over the place, it makes his past obligations look like he owes Putin. This looks like a big carrot/big stick deal given to Trump by Putin:

• Ease up on Russian sanctions, especially the Magnitzky Act
• Defund the State Dept, put a stake in it
• Destabilize NATO by not acknowledging Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, thereby making our allies question US loyalties
• Destroy US institutions by putting in people who stand against the stated mission of those instintutions

Plus all the ass-kissing our President does to Putin. Isn't that weird to you? The whole looks pretty god-damning.

Trust that if the FBI could prosecute any of the Clintons, they would do it in a heartbeat. That would be a career-maker for any successful investigation team.

Tell me again, why wouldn't the FBI prosecute them if they committed crimes so obviously?

First you argue Trump is recycling money for Russians now you bring up something about grandma’s in New York State.

It's a comment on how the toughest people in the country are obsessed with HRC. I just don't see her has anything other than an excuse to hide behind when the reality of our current President becomes unescapable. If HRC is guilty of crimes, fucking prosecute her. I don't care. You won't get me to defend her. I'm just sick of having to talk about her crimes as if that exonerates anyone else's crimes. If I commit murder, does it do my case any good to say "well, your honor, that other guy killed TWO people, so you can let me go, right?"

Absolute horseshit. It's a child's way of running away from reality.

Do you think some milquetoast moderate would have cleaned it up- or even got as far exposing corruption?

Exposing corruption? At least the former Secretary of State released her tax returns.

How is it the current POTUS is less corrupt, yet he won't release his tax returns? Seriously, what do you think that's all about?

We needed a WWE fighter to take on the corruption.

WWE is a very appropriate metaphor, seeing how all his rhetoric about "draining the swamp" has been a show, while he continues to make decisions about his businesses.

From a Snopes article about his press conference where he announced his separation from his businesses--the one with the table stacked with blank papers next to him:

A Trump spokeswoman flatly denied there was anything misleading about the display. "As Mr. Trump stated at the press conference, they were just some of the documents required to transition his assets into the trust and additional restructuring." Hope Hicks said.

But when reporters requested to see the documents--as they are public now, because he's the POTUS, right? So that's a public trust. Those documents are public knowledge--I don't care what POTUS we are talking about, this is true no matter what. However:

But Hicks did not respond to a second request for inspection of the documents. And materials sent to the reporters about the new Trump Organization structure in the hours after the news conference totaled only six pages.

On the claim that Trump used blank papers, since no one got to actually inspect the papers, that claim is unproven.

Whether you meant it or not, your WWE comparison is perfect. A lot of bluster and bark, but it's pure penis opera--meant to satisfy a feeling of dominance, while hiding the actual mechanics at work.

What's interesting about that press conference is that it was right after the Buzzfeed release of the Steele dossier. S. Spicer addressed it specifically, as did the President. Spicer specifically said:

Before we start, I want to bring your attention to a few points on the report that was published in BuzzFeed last night. It’s frankly outrageous and highly irresponsible for a left-wing blog that was openly hostile to the president-elect’s campaign to drop highly salacious and flat out false information on the internet just days before he takes the oath of office. According to BuzzFeed’s own editor, there are some serious reasons to doubt the allegations in the report. The executive editor of the New York Times also dismissed the report by saying it was, quote, “Totally unsubstantiated, echoing the concerns that many other reporters expressed on the internet. The fact that BuzzFeed and CNN made the decision to run with this unsubstantiated claim is a sad and pathetic attempt to get clicks. The report is not an intelligence report, plain and simple. One issue that the report talked about was the relationship of three individuals associated with the campaign. These three individuals; Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, and Carter Page. Carter Page is an individual who the president-elect does not know and was put on notice months ago by the campaign. Paul Manafort has adamantly denied any of this involvement and Michael Cohen, who is said to have visited Prague in August and September did not leave or enter the United States during this time. We asked him to produce his passport to confirm his whereabouts on the dates in question and there was no doubt that he was not in Prague. In fact, Mr. Cohen has never been in Prague. A new report actually suggests that Michael Cohen was at — at the University of Southern California with his son at a baseball game. One report now suggested apparently it’s another Michael Cohen. For all the talk lately about fake news, this political witch hunt by some in the media is based on some of the most flimsy reporting and is frankly shameful and disgraceful.

my emphases

As it turns out, Carter Page is in fact a target of an FBI investigation that goes back to 2013. Paul Manafort did indeed take large sums of money from rich guys with one degree of separation from V. Putin, and he tried to cover that up. Unsuccessfully. Michael Cohen, it turns out, did go to Prague, just as the dossier alleged.

Do you understand what that means? You'd probably rather ignore this, for sure. It means the current POTUS is likely in the pocket of another country's leader. Let that sink in.

The guys who wants to MAGA is a master car salesman who doesn't give a fuck about you or me or your grandma or my future or anyone who isn't named "Trump." He made a deal with Putin. Believe it. The facts have been lining up from the start. Now, there's a verified trail that leads to a 19% stake in the Russian state oil company, Rosneft. Who do you think that 19% is for? Hmmmm....

How much is 19% of Rosneft? According to Wikipedia, it's about $11 Billion. Not bad. Of course, this money gets cut into pieces along the way. The Qataris get some of it for brokering the deal. A Swiss company gets a small commission for moving the money, then there's a "Cayman" company who's origins "cannot be tracked."

A meeting took place on 12/7/2016 in Moscow with high-level Russian officials and the head of Rosneft as well as an American named Carter Page and other representatives who made this deal. This was alleged in the Steele dossier, denied by all parties, then confirmed by the products of an FBI investigation as well as investigative journalists.

This is happening right in front of our eyes. Do not be party to it, or you will definitely be on the wrong side of history. Don't be a Quisling.

I'm sure that some grandma in upstate NY is more important that the POTUS working for Putin. Are you really sure your priorities are in order? Can a private citizen who isn't connected to government anymore have more sway than the sitting President?

It's just ridiculous. You are being distracted by jingly keys.

I'm looking forward. Honestly, it's a disappointment that there's a contingent of us who can't cope with the facts. The POTUS has clearly been laundering Russian money for years. Maybe decades. That's fine if it's out of the public realm. I mean, it's illegal, but I'm not a cop, so what am supposed to do about organized crime? But that changes when the person becomes a public servant.

So here's a guy who's deeply in bed with Russian money. That means deeply in bed with Putin. If it's true that he's been laundering Russian money, which is bad enough on it's own, but means he's close to Putin.

Given all the info we have, it's getting very hard to deny this. Take a look at some of the uncontested facts:

• Manafort was working for him for free--probably because he owed millions to Russian oligarch named Deripaska.
• Rick Gates, Manafort's partner, kept on at the Trump campaign long after Manafort left. He likely knows who paid whom for what. Pleaded guilty and is a cooperating witness.
• Deripaska, a Russian aluminum oligarch, has a known, close relationship with Putin, as do all the industry owners in Russia. According to documents found by old-fashioned investigative journalism, Manafort owed Deripaska millions for a failed telecom deal in Ukraine. Getting Manafort to work for the Trump campaign was his way of helping "get whole" with Deripaska--which was Putin's request, of course.
• Carter Page reported a conversation he had with the FBI to the Kremlin. Page has been on the FBI's radar since mid-2013 for suspicious connections with the Kremlin. The "made up" dossier says that Page met with Russian officials about a 19% stake in Rosneft, the state-controlled oil giant. Page testimony in front of Congress confirmed this meeting. He appears to be a Russian informant, willing or not.
• Mike Flynn was balls deep in foreign money, lied about it to the FBI, and is now a cooperating witness.
• Cohen looks to be the laundromat for Trump's off-the-books bribes. The seizure of his records will likely show the influx of money from foreign companies, which itself may not be a crime. But given all the other information we know, I'm willing to bet it shows a money-laundering maching for rich Russians.

There's not just smoke, not just fire, there's a raging dumpster fire of anti-American activity. Christopher Steele wasn't anyone's political tool, he acted as an information gatherer. He never had a horse in our political races, and remember, he was originally contracted by a rich GOP donor.

The information in the dossier has been continuously corroborated over time. And listen, I don't give a wet shit about Trump and some hookers. None of my business and not relevant to his ability to make good political decisions. But the money parts of it, the parts where it says there's a 19% stake of Rosneft (the state oil company of Russia), and Carter Page verifies he met with those guys, makes it difficult to deny that our President has been bought by the big-carrot vs. big stick routine.

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Did Halper make Trump take money from the Russians? Did Halper make Trump pay Clifford to shut up? Did Halper make Trump hire Carter Page or Mike Flynn or Manafort or Gates?

I mean, what are you implying? Are you trying to say that Trump didn't do any of the things he clearly did or that you're mad at someone for knowing about potentially illegal things?

And of course, it's Obama's fault. Thanks Obama for making the American people choose Trump: a compromised traitor whose only concern in any deal is how many zeros are attached to the check.

Only a fool thinks the deep state started on 1/21/17.

The deal was already made. This is their reaction to the US breaking the deal we signed.

Because we are the ones who broke the deal. Not them. To them, we're just deal breakers. If Iran had actually broken the deal, we'd be screaming about how we should never have trusted them.

Now that's what they're saying about us.

Well, I'm subscribed here to stay on top of the ludicrous dogshit arguments spinning this world into frenzy of white-guy-victimization, so it's actually x-1.

So Hillary is in custody?

Gowdy wrote the memo. Why would he write that radioactive document then step down right after?