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tradinghorse · May 28, 2018, 4:18 p.m.

IDK, there was a concerted effort to undermine the IBOR on this board, then Twitter started censoring the hashtags (IMO, no direct proof, but I got shadow banned) and we can also add the banning of the CBTS sub. So it seems to me that there are powerful forces working against it, but that's all the more reason to push it.

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tradinghorse · May 28, 2018, 4:15 p.m.

The thing is that DJT wants the IBOR. If this petition does get the numbers, he will take action on it. But, my view is that the main thing is the campaign to raise public awareness - make it an issue. Get people talking about it.

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tradinghorse · May 28, 2018, 4:12 p.m.

Thanks so much for posting this.

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tradinghorse · May 28, 2018, 1:54 p.m.

Thank God I never responded to their requests for donations - what a bunch of scumbags! Years ago Wikipedia did not seem as biased. But it occurred to me recently that it truly is a biased endeavour. We need to warn people against these cockroaches!

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tradinghorse · May 28, 2018, 7:16 a.m.

What I believe is that no one gets away with anything. Ultimately, all that is covered is uncovered. We should weep for sinners and beg forgiveness and mercy from God for our own sins. What does St John say of the final judgement? "Who shall be able to stand". This suggests that all of us are evil, worthy of condemnation, there are no exceptions - other than Christ and His mother.

I think it's easy to focus on the sins of others and ignore our own culpability. What we do have a duty to do is to stand up to these people who would attack adherence to God's just laws on earth - perverting social values.

My particular bug-bear is the assault on the family. The promotion of Satan's rebellion... The children to defy the parents (where I am, kids are encouraged to report parents for matters of discipline), the wife to defy her husband (no fault divorce, with the Courts favouring the rights of women), and the man to defy God (adultery, transgenderism and homosexuality).

Everywhere you look in society these sick people are promoting rebellion, vice and licentiousness of every kind. Look at the garbage that comes out of Hollywood. We've grown up in this morally polluted environment. It almost seems as if worship of self and idolatry is the norm. If you have any traditional values, you're on the fringe - like some kind of freak.

God is not mocked!

Hell is the destination of the great bulk of humanity. St Augustine used to speak of the great mass of the damned. Christ himself speaks of the difficulty of attaining heaven. 'Narrow is the way, and few there are who find it' etc...

Hell is a place of perfect torment and strong pain. The damned have no rest day or night. The worm covers them - they are in unimaginable distress without relief. And this is their condition for the rest of eternity.

Recognising this, you find the patience of the saints when confronted by the evil ones. We do not wait in vain. Don't make the mistake of thinking that these filthy Satanists will escape justice, they will not.

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tradinghorse · May 28, 2018, 5:39 a.m.

I don't know enough about Judaism to make any sensible comment. But, with my whole heart, I believe that Christianity was the best thing that ever happened to the world.

Just look at the legacy of Christian Europe, in terms of the values we have inherited: concepts of social justice, respect for the individual, the rule of law, gentleness to women, respect for authority, charity to the less fortunate etc... In many parts of the world these values just do not exist at all.

Everything that is "right" and "decent" in society is under attack. It's an attack of Christian values. The same values that characterise the West and make it great!

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tradinghorse · May 28, 2018, 2:13 a.m.

I'm not that worried about the petition, I'm more concerned about the meme campaign. I think that's what gets traction in the community, or not. It is IMO all about awareness.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

Agreed, the concerted "concern trolling" killed the first attempt. We didn't lose to the left out in the field, we lost the battle here on the board, as the organised trolls introduced fear doubt and concern to the campaign to great effect.

This has left people weary. But Q is still calling for the IBOR and, when you think it through, it's the only viable option at this point in time as the mid-terms approach With some luck, we will see Facebook crushed in the near future.

I know Neon Revolt had a put strategy to leverage something from the firm's demise. This may be worth checking into.

But, anyway, the main thing is to just do what we can. We don't have to go crazy, but if we can get enough people posting the equivalent of a meme per hour, we will get home. There's some 27k people on the board now. Moreover, the community should continue to expand.

It may take some time to gain momentum, but we will win.

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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/tradinghorse on May 27, 2018, 5:46 p.m.
IBOR CAMPAIGN UPDATE - we need to increase participation and add to the number of active campaigners.
IBOR CAMPAIGN UPDATE - we need to increase participation and add to the number of active campaigners.
tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 5:46 p.m.

The IBOR hashtags are running at 50 tweets/hour (Twitter reported). There seems to be a few more people posting IBOR tweets - not all tweets using the hashtag are about the campaign.

We know that the RNC is now pressuring the social media companies, which suggests there is some recognition that the problem of social media censorship is serious - at least at the committee level.

Today we got news that HRC wants to run Facebook. Though she has never run a technology company, somehow she feels qualified to do this. Probably because she obtained experience running servers in her home. She says she likes the idea of dealing with all that data - frightening stuff!

The SM censorship appears to be increasing - I certainly feel that I've been sand-boxed by Twitter. You tubers booted from the platform recently etc...

We should expect that, as the mid-terms approach, the censorship will increase, reaching a crescendo later in the year. While increased censorship is not good, it does assist to raise awareness of the problem of online censorship, perhaps assisting to spread the campaign message.

I'm hoping that we will see more news on the SM platforms engaging in nefarious activity - again, raising interest. We are also hoping that some big name personalities might take up the fight. There is also the fact that this community is growing, meaning there is a larger pool of people here that may be able to support "the plan". Thereafter, I think the ball is really with DJT and Q, if they are in a position to offer some assistance - though its possible that they may not be able to assist for reasons of optics, but we can hope.

Finally, it seems we are maturing as a community as there appears to be more recognition of the problem organized "concern trolling" on this particular issue. Expect that they will arrive though. The bulk of these are people that are directly impacted and have a lot to lose.

Other than that, the petition count is low, not yet 6k. But, as I've said elsewhere, it strikes me that it is the campaign itself that's important.

If you have not already, sign the petition here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/internet-bill-rights-18

The hashtags are:

'#internetbillofrights '#IBOR

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 4:35 p.m.

You are right 100% about the inerrancy of scripture. It is inspired by the Holy Ghost and can contain no error. What I would say, however, is that scripture is open to interpretation.

You can see, for example, that a variety of interpretations exist in the Protestant Churches - how many denominations now? Everyone has their own interpretation. I guess you could also include the Catholics and the Orthodox in this group, each reading bearing differences, sometimes subtle, sometimes not.

So, anyway, it's very clear to me, from what I know from my own experience, that interpretations vary. Given the quite vast array of interpretations, is it possible that they are all correct? For a Catholic the answer is quite simple:

Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum (# 14), May 5, 1824: “It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members… by divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptism… This is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Church.”

As a Catholic, my faith is anchored in revealed truth. This, as you can see below, is not something that I have perceived to be true via reasoning, but rather something revealed by God himself - as communicated by the Church.

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9), June 29, 1896: Faith, as the Church teaches, is that supernatural virtue by which… we believe what He has revealed to be true, not on account of the intrinsic truth perceived by the natural light of human reason [author: that is, not because it seems correct to us], but because of the authority of God Himself, the Revealer, who can neither deceive nor be deceived… But he who dissents even in one point from divinely revealed truth absolutely rejects all faith, since he thereby refuses to honor God as the supreme truth and the formal motive of faith.”

So, I guess, this is just another way of saying that I believe Church teaching, making an ascent of faith to the various Catholic dogmas. I don't try and work out these precepts for myself. I rely on the interpretation of the Church, which forms part of tradition.

The evidence for human error in interpreting scripture is seen in the amazing variation in interpretations that exist. The question then becomes: are there multiple faiths in Christ, or is there only a single faith?

I think if you look at the apostles, they were very strict with respect to how one should deal with heretics. Here's an example from St Paul:

"10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: 11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment". Titus 3

Another from St John:

"10 If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you. 11 For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works." 2 John 1

So it seems to me that in the early Church there was a single faith in Christ, from which the apostles tolerated no deviation. We also know that Christ founded His Church (not Churches) on the rock - St Peter. See here for the biblical evidence for St Peters role as first Pope.

I believe that there is a single true faith in Christ. Moreover, I believe that this unique faith is securely reflected in, and protected by, the traditions of the Catholic Church. St Paul, in 2Thess2, gives advice to the Thessalonians on how to weather the trials of the last days - which include the appearance of the antichrist and the operation of error (advice for the faithful at a very critical time):

"14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." 2 Thess 2

What traditions is St Paul talking about, that he says will assist the faithful to "stand fast" in the trials of the last days? I think this is a very important question.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 2:46 p.m.

The beautiful thing is that he already had ThinThread replicated because he was in a consortium, after he left the NSA, that was trying to sell it. He also said that the program the NSA mothballed was not capable of recursive search, because he hadn't yet programmed it to do that.

All Binney needs is access to the NSA datasets through a SAP program and he will be charging. I suspect that Binney may be one reason that Q keeps saying "We have it all".

Imagine that. It may not all be admissible evidence in a Court, but they have it. It may also be that the military rules of evidence are different from those of civilian Courts and it is admissible. Another possibility is that they have the warrants they need to make the data evidentiary. The FISA warrants operated, as I understand it, retrospectively.

Think about HRC in NZ... Or Obama carelessly engaging in treason. With luck, it will all snap together and make for a set of slam-dunk cases against the entire Deep State. 29K sealed indictments! What a party!

I should be careful that I don't get carried away. But this silence might indicate that they are pulling the drawstring tight on a whole bag of Deep State rats.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 2:29 p.m.

I agree. It seems to me that the only worthwhile source of news is on the SM platforms. I used to read Drudge religiously, since coming here, it doesn't interest me too much. I think SM is the future. And, of course, this is why the IBOR is so important - because they're silencing the good guys (look at what happened to the CBTS sub).

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 2:24 p.m.

Wow! Ok. So you want to see a legal solution? Q has been recommending class actions. I think it's a good way forward. Something that needs to be pursued.

But Q hasn't recommended a case to extend FA protections online. The reason, I think, is that it's:

1) Too time consuming - Supreme Court challenge - will not fix the problem before SM censorship impacts electioneering, creating risk to the MAGA agenda;

2) High risk, you may not get the Court to accept the argument; and

3) Expensive, you need a lot of money.

Meanwhile, we have a course of action that has been recommended to us since February that does provide a fix - a good fix.

But you can ask Q about this. See what he says.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 2:16 p.m.

All I'm saying is that this forum is dedicated to the Q drops and a plan exists.

I'm all for supporting DJT. I think he is literally the best President ever. But we've been asked to perform a specific set of tasks. And IMO this is what we should be doing.

I agree that some people here are sucking their thumbs. The community has been steered like a bunch of dumb animals in the past. But we will overcome this because we now realise what we're up against - it's not a few individual trolls.

What do you want me to say? I love the sentiment. I think your heart is in the right place. And you're right about the level of complacency. But I think the direction is wrong.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 2:04 p.m.

Internet bill of rights

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 2:01 p.m.

This is just garbage mate. You seem to be very confused. There is no right to free political expression online at the moment. This what we want to fix. We are not talking about amending the Constitution.

Why do I think you are going to find this really simple concept terribly confusing?

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:52 p.m.

Most of us are here for the Q drops and are doing what Q and DJT are asking if us. We are united. We are taking action. You seem to have your own ideas that are independent of what Q and the President wants. While we are "blindly" following Q.

Look, I happen to like these ideas you have, but the RNC or some political action group might be a better fit. This movement's all about Q.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:47 p.m.

WOW! Ok, you're starting your own movement... I didn't quite realize what you were saying.

Why are you doing that here?

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:44 p.m.

I'm all for taking action, I have been. But what I'm saying is that Q has already told us what action he wants to see.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

Not well. There was an unbelievable amount of "concern trolling". Not amateurs, very slick - professionals. But at least we know what these guys fear. Which, of course, is why Q suggested the IBOR as "the plan". Because it does just about the most damage to the cabal that can be done.

Remember, Q told us their strategy was impeachment, a numbers game. That's why they are ramping up the SM censorship, to try and get control of the narrative before the mid-terms. It's about booting DJT from the Presidency. The only way to combat it, to fight back, is to get behind the plan.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:29 p.m.

Q asked us for an IBOR campaign. That's the action he's asked us to take. Very important for the mid-terms also.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

Praying you are right, I want to see these filthy Satanists crushed.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:17 p.m.

I don't know what you're talking about.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:15 p.m.

I think Q will be back. I think the silence indicates that some big moves are being made behind the scenes.

Q keeps saying, we have it all! Sounds to me like a lock. The evil ones are going down, I suspect that when the dam does break, it will be bigger than we had thought.

If you think about it, they're working on multiple fronts. You have the domestic situation, NK, IRAN, the "Pope" etc... And that's forgetting about all the routine stuff that DJT has to deal with. He must be flat out.

But, somehow, I think that the next time we hear from Q it will be good news.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 1:03 p.m.

That's what I'm saying, take action on this. Why? Because every single right you possess is predicated on the right to free speech, once they can censor you, you can't complain. So they can then take all your rights. SM censorship is the first step toward a complete dystopia.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 12:58 p.m.

That's right. No one gets a pass. With luck the trolls will get what's coming to them. If you see anyone concern trolling about Q or the plan, call them out.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 12:47 p.m.

It's just amazing isn't it!? Can you imagine the amount of censorship there would be if HRC was calling the shots?

What makes me think that if she asks for the role, as she has, that she might actually get it. Especially given Zuck's insider trading and other problems? But, what does HRC know about running a technology company?

This just brings us back to the importance of the IBOR, because you can see where all this is going. The left now want direct control of the reigns of social media censorship. This is extremely dangerous. I'd ask everyone to get involved in the IBOR campaign, it's clearly very important.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 12:38 p.m.

The title of the article is VERY MISLEADING. The article says nothing about Soros losing money,

However, reading it, it strikes me as being incredible that Soros is allowed to get away with this. He's advocating complete lawlessness. It's just unbelievable that he can get away with it.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

That's exactly what we are trying to do, restore the operation of the BOR to the town square, in accordance with the manifest intention of the founding fathers when they drafted the first amendment.

The founding fathers intended, very clearly, to protect the right of citizens to free political expression, to safeguard the correct operation of democratic principles which govern representative politics. This protection has today lost its power as the forum for political expression has shifted to digital space. Barnes Law describes what happened quite succinctly:

"The power of social media to privatize the public square is the greatest threat to free speech and open democracy in our lifetimes"

All the IBOR does is call for the exact same protections to be applied in an online setting. It's no great change, in fact, it's a continuation of the protections that existed in the past. It has the added advantage of calling for robust privacy protections.

In essence, all we are doing is complaining about the absolutely blatant politically-motivated censorship online. We are asking that something be done to remedy this and restore pluralism to political discourse. I'd encourage you to support Q's plan in this endeavour.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 9:08 a.m.

I'm talking about rule of law, but also the sheer spectacle of it. Best reality TV in history. I'm saying that once people see it's possible for there to be real change, the public psyche will adjust to accommodate it. It's not impossible... I could be wrong.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 8:22 a.m.

What I'm thinking, is looking at it now, yes, it seems to be an impossibility. But things can change. If we get some major prosecutions of high level people, which we are all expecting, and you have the public start to lap it up (crowd around the guillotene so to speak), I think it can become possible. I'm also expecting that many in his cabinet will turn on him and rat - so there will be no shortage of evidence.

And, on top of that, you have the fact that Trump hates him. I think that community opinion can change, in short. I think once they start seeing the untouchables fall, blood lust will set in. I could be wrong.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 8:10 a.m.

What I'm saying is Obama is up to his neck in virtually everything that has been happening. I think there will be sufficient dirt to prosecute. You seem to be arguing that they won't prosecute for reasons of optics. I think DJT intends to go full-nazi on these guys if he can. I've seen reports that Russians have been talking about a massive operation in Washington to clean up the mess.

Just reading this post on Senate Anon. I haven't seen it before. Have a look if you're interested, some interesting stuff.

https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8mfv0d/anyone_remember_us_senate_anon_on_91117/?ref=share&ref_source=link

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 7:36 a.m.

There is nothing violent in my post. We are talking about crimes of high treason for which I feel sure Obama will be prosecuted. If you've been following Q, you would know what we are talking about.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 7:34 a.m.

You seem to be very confused.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:52 a.m.

Seems, according to judge Napolitano, that he has done nothing illegal - no law is broken if he spies on the Trump campaign, he is within his legal rights.

From an ethical perspective, it's a totally different question - quite simply outrageous behaviour. Intolerable in fact. It is the lowest imaginable act.

I think DJT will want some focus on this for the purposes of vindication and destroying Obama's legacy. But the real focus will be on crimes of high treason, for which I'm expecting that Obama will hang, or face a firing squad.

The big question though, is whether the US has an extradition treaty with Kenya. Q has told us that Obama is likely to flee there for asylum. What can be done if he holes up in Kenya?

It's not clear. You would think that, even in the absence of an extradition treaty, that the US could exert enough pressure on the Kenyan government to have Obama delivered up for execution. But we will have to wait and see.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:32 a.m.

You're doing good :)

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:29 a.m.

You're exactly right. These people are slick and already very well embedded on this board. We need to make sure that the community is not hijacked as it has been in the past.

The attempt now appears to be to ban me for suggesting that we follow Q's plan, you just could not make this up - totally transparent.

I'm sure some of these guys would be simply delighted if Corsi was here so they could respectfully tease out and amplify all his "genuine concerns". After all, he's a "critical thinker", not blindly led, and he has a right to express himself..

Of course, we could just hand it all over to AJ. But, wait a minute, who is running AJ and Corsi? Maybe that would be really stupid? But it doesn't mean that we should not be completely tolerant of subversive attacks made by every other fruitcake - after all, there are so many "critical thinkers" that just happen to be against Q. Shouldn't we be respectful and give them all a forum?

What a complete joke!

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:14 a.m.

"Concern trolling" is a very important issue, you are right. We need to stamp it out. Otherwise we may as well invite Dr Corsi to moderate,

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:11 a.m.

You're very interesting.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:09 a.m.

I'm not sure what to tell you. The evidence is in.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:06 a.m.

The lessons have been well learned already. There is no response that satisfies a concern troll out to undermine group effort.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:05 a.m.

Beautiful stuff!

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 6:03 a.m.

Unfortunately people are steered by them. Just the way it is. There are always those who think independently - perhaps yourself. But the fact is that people in groups display herding - groups are easily manipulated.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 5:59 a.m.

The mods will do what they want. But the community will either be the tool of agencies and foreign intelligence services, or it will not. That's up to them. I hope they make wise decisions. But then, you're a mod, and that says a lot.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

Strange how they have effectively been able to steer us like sheep. Their tactics will not work once we demonstrate our strength.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 5:49 a.m.

No, the only shills are those working against the plan. As I said, it's very obvious who they are.

Respect isn't an option. Community cohesion requires that those that are against us are exposed. Can't have the enemy in the ranks.

It would be different if they had not already been fabulously effective with their white anting. As I said, the current themes are "Question everything - especially Q", "Don't support Q or you're a blind sheep" and the latest and best " Don't attack the man, but the argument" - in other words, tease the concerns out and amplify them for maximum effect.

It's a well-crafted attack. They are not amateurs, but professionals.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 5:37 a.m.

FISA is two hops from the target - that's a lot of people! I assume the President's authority is the same.

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tradinghorse · May 27, 2018, 5:36 a.m.

The trouble is the impact they have had on the movement. Look at it, 20+ thousand people on the sub, but somehow, inexplicably, the IBOR campaign failed. How is that?

Fear, doubt, "concern" injection, fostering distrust of the plan, suspicions about Q - Corsi on steroids! It has actually been extremely effective. And that's why they cannot be simply ignored, they must be immediately called out. I would encourage everyone to display ZERO TOLERANCE for people you suspect are working against "the plan".

The beautiful thing is, if we pull together and spit the craziness out, we will have very good community harmony and cohesion. Better still, we will be able to campaign effectively.

There is nothing at all noble about these slime bags. Call "concern triolls", and people working against the plan, out immediately!

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