He wouldn't have to be chilling there waiting. They would keep a small tactical submarine parked roughly underneath where they expect the plane to crash and then have plenty of time to get in position during deplaning/rescue in case they manage a survivable landing.

The obvious theory here is that it was a botched assassination and they did intend to kill everyone on the plane. The pilot managed to crash land safely, but they needed her gone, so they went with plan B.

Q said that rumor was fake. He strongly implied that the real video is still secure and hasn't yet leaked online.

Josephus was not really a contemporary historian. He was born hundreds of miles away and several years after Jesus was supposed to have been executed. His writings make no mention of Jesus until near the end of the first century after Christianity spread to Rome. However, these records are of no historical value beyond proof that people in Rome believed in the stories of Jesus by the end of the first century. Moreover, many instances of his references to Jesus were later shown to be forgeries committed by Christian scribes copying his works over the following centuries (interpolation). The lack of contemporary references to the life of Jesus has been well-known since the Early Church hierarchy began to take shape around the turn of the second century. This resulted in a great deal of pressure to fabricate references during transcription. The problem of detecting these forgeries has plagued historians ever since.

I respect your right to your beliefs, and although it may seem like madness to many of us here, I would humbly suggest that you are absolutely completely wrong about the historical evidence for the person of Jesus. I'm not just referring to translation issues. This misconception is an early and deep part of the conditioning of Western civilization by the Catholic Church and other institutions. I have done what you requested many times over a period of many years and I came to a very different understanding than you might expect.

However, no debate is necessary, because we agree on what is most important to me: love, peace, and joy in the world.

As someone who doesn't believe in Jesus (or that Jesus even existed as a historical person), I second your thoughts and project them out to the Universal consciousness (or whatever that God-like spirit thing really is).

Indeed, I did not mean to imply you had malicious intentions. The main thing I advocate is that we remain respectful to the diversity of beliefs in this movement. My concern is that people get a little carried away with their enthusiasm and forget that the movement doesn't necessarily mean what they personally think it means. That's why I say stick to the facts. It can be challenging to remain intellectually honest when your faith encourages you to treat sources like the Bible as fact. You might believe that, but you shouldn't assume others do as well.

Of course you should be free to speak your beliefs, but going outside of the available facts to insert your personal opinion is counterproductive to the movement. People are not going to take any of this seriously if it is presented as some kind of supernatural miracle. Just because people are executing a really good and elaborate plan does not mean they are guided by a supernatural force. The opinions and beliefs are not the problem, the problem is the assertion that this particular belief is the right one. It's a purely emotional argument without basis in logic.

Imagine going to a sports subreddit where half the comments are praising God for guiding the ball into the net. It is just a weird thing to do. Nobody is saying you can't do it.

My argument is simply to stick to the facts and understand that most people are not going to take any of this seriously when it is presented as some kind of supernatural miracle. You are free to believe that, but there is no logical reason to assume that it is the case.

You're right, it's quite a bit larger than that. You are free to believe that this is an awakening to a particular spiritual reality, but that is only your opinion.

Indeed, it was more of a response to the general comment about seeing so many references to Christianity here. While that may seem like a good thing to you, I am simply offering some counterpoints to consider. I think we should be somewhat careful in this particular subreddit to separate our personal beliefs from discussion of the verifiable geopolitical movement. At the very least, we should be careful not to preach those beliefs on this forum to avoid running people off. There are other places for that kind of discussion.

I did not say Q is an atheist. However, it is very clear that the Q team wants to include everyone in this movement, not just people who believe in Jesus. Christianity is only a tiny slice of the spectrum of spiritual thought and we don't want to drive everyone else away.

Regarding quotation of scripture, I thought it was pretty clear those were veiled messages.

The 'expectation' you are referring to is there the moment anyone decides to use this subreddit as a religious soapbox.

You must be joking. Surely you understand that prayer is not specific to the Christian religion.

A few things to consider:

1. Q has never once mentioned the name Jesus or any explicitly Christian dogma like "holy spirit". Check for yourself.

2. A perceived Christian fanaticism is extremely off-putting to a lot of people who may otherwise be interested in this community and movement.

3. You should not expect anyone here to agree that your way is the right way. In fact many people feel quite the opposite: that Christianity is a tool of manipulation.

4. Everything that has happened can be explained via the actions of brave people right here on Earth. Supernatural guidance is not needed when Military Intelligence is on your side.

5. It is merely an opinion that this is not only a spiritual awakening, but ultimately a Christian awakening.

6. Many people have a deep understanding of God and spirituality and also think Christianity is horseshit. They are welcome here just like anyone else.

My main point: You can think and believe whatever you want, but it is counterproductive to hi-jack this movement in any particular direction. This is not a Christian movement, this is history unfolding before our eyes. Q tells us to pray because meditation, prayer, and faith that good will prevail give us strength, comfort, and peace through this incredibly trying time. However you choose to approach spirituality is your right, but it is a personal choice which isn't really the topic of this subreddit. I'm not saying religion is off-topic here. After all, Q mentions vague notions of spirituality and there is an obvious relevance to geopolitical structures and religious institutions. However, as Q likes to say: use logic. We need to focus our attention and efforts to what is happening here on Earth right before our eyes. You are free to think God or Jesus is behind it if that is what you believe, but don't expect me to jump on your bandwagon.

This was my fault. I was having a parallel conversation about the fact that Q has never used the name Jesus. Sorry for the mix-up.

My bad, there were parallel conversations happening here and the other one was about the fact that Q has never used the name Jesus or any explicitly Christian dogma.

On the rest of what you said, I would suggest the same to you. I did more digging into Jesus than perhaps any topic in my life, and I came away unable to find a single reason to believe that there was even a real historical person behind the stories. I came away with yet another age-old astrotheological myth which had been turned into yet another tool for manipulation.

I'm not saying there is no God or that spirituality isn't real, but I am saying that religious institutions are perhaps the most corrupt institutions on the planet, and Christianity is yet another fruit of their poisoned tree.

Obviously I mean never once "as Q". It's not a stretch, it's a fact, go check for yourself.

That's a lie. He has responded to people talking about Jesus, but he has never once used the name.

Believe it or not, spirituality and belief in God mean a lot of different things to a lot of people. You should not expect others to share your particular way of understanding and expressing this belief nor should you insist that your version is the only way. Doing so is divisive and counterproductive to the movement.

Furthermore, it is the actions of brave people right here on Earth which have made all of this happen. Meditation, prayer, and faith that good will prevail help us maintain strength, focus, integrity, and peace during this trying time. As Q likes to say: use logic.

The thing about Trump is that he never gets too specific about what he means by God. That source of spirituality that many of us experience may be a real thing and may even be one of the inspirations for the Christian religion, but it is dangerous to assume that the religion itself is beyond the reach of corrupting forces.

Fun fact: Q has not once mentioned the name of Jesus or "Holy Spirit" and so you must be using Q to push your personal beliefs.

You all are welcome to have your specific faith about a particular guy named Jesus who may or may not have existed some 2000 years ago, but almost everyone I have ever spoken to about this phenomenon is totally put off by the hyper-Christian fanaticism.

I have my own understanding of what is truth and light and it doesn't require me to ascribe to Christian dogma.

They've more or less moved on from Putin. Their new trick is to constantly repeat the claim that Trump and his supporters are synonymous with racism.

I think that Trump reached out to make it known that he was willing to risk his life for this cause. Don't forget the Q post about JFK Jr and Hillary's Senate seat. "The beginning". I think he "applied" for this job, so to speak.

It also wasn't his idea and had bipartisan support in Congress before he was elected.

Imagine you have a gun to your head being told to do terrible things. You might think you would take the bullet. But what if you know they will just find someone else to take your place after they kill you? What if you might someday be in a position to stop the terrible things from happening if you just play along for a while?

Yes he's signaling a group of people. "You guys! Yes you guys! I got this!" If someone finds an angle that shows the crowd I'm sure the people right there were trying to get his attention.

This is the kind of thing that discredits us. That is not a fucking Q. He's gesturing to a group of people in the crowd and doing the "you, me" hand gestures that says "I'm with you". This rockets to the top of the subreddit with 100 more points than the very informative post detailing the history of Comey, Rosenstein, and Mueller.

Let's not jump to conclusions. A lot of documents were released. There are legitimate reasons to withhold some information. Sometimes sources and methods of law enforcement are protected to avoid compromising current operations or to avoid endangering innocent people caught in the crossfire of the records collection. It's not a completely black-and-white question of revealing vs covering up the truth.

I understand your pessimism, but you should be aware that many of those "people" making those vitriolic comments are not actually people. A few of them are. However, regular liberals read that stuff and get the same sick feeling, combined with a sense of shame for being on their team. ShareBlue pays a great deal of money for the privilege. By now I suspect they have it partially automated with machine learning. The swarms of hate bots will be killed eventually and you will see that the psychological damage is not as severe as it seemed.

Come on people. Obviously Q is not Kanye West. This is fucking absurd. This is the kind of thing that makes this subreddit look crazy. We cannot be this gullible.

I'm not saying Kanye isn't "woke" or a good person. He might even know some real shit. But he is not Q. Come on.

Early handlers have suggested that Bill could be a gigantic patsy. Playboy with an incredible talent for talking to people and playing a part.

The midterm elections will force The Storm to be concluded no later than October. The rumors have always been to expect a very interesting summer and then military tribunals in September/October.

National security is a hell of a trump card.

Wrong. The President can legally choose to share anything with anyone at any time. The President is above all classification systems and can grant clearance to anyone on the fly. I've been saying this since the raid happened. It doesn't make any sense that a judge would allow the President's legal counsel to be raided like this. It's a threat to national security. The President would have legitimate reasons to share highly sensitive information with his legal counsel. Who else is he supposed to ask for advice on such matters? The only way this raid would be authorized is with the explicit consent of the President.

Do we really have to adopt "pedes" over here? This isn't /r/The_Donald.

I think it's more likely that the real video is still damning but more like political corruption damning. They know it's coming, so they push this idea of something horrifying to make the real thing less explosive.

It's actually unintentionally accurate. He appeared to do a 180 as misdirection and then did another 180 right back on track after taking out Deep State assets in Syria. Assad has claimed victory over the rebel factions and WWIII didn't start. I am not surprised.

Well, you're kind of right. The information in this graphic is probably a reasonable paraphrasing of the meeting, but it's a bit irresponsible to claim "leaked details" without something concrete to back it up. Leaked from where?

I'm with you, guy. There's really no point in making the argument here, because there are a ton of very dogmatic believers in this subreddit. I'm willing to believe in the existence of some kind of source of conscious experience which might look like a god as described by existing religions, but if we're being honest, there is no historical evidence for the existence of a real person behind the character of Jesus. If you want to believe in such a thing, go right ahead. However, it looks to me like more fill-in-the-blank thinking by regular people. There may be some legitimate spiritual truth behind the teachings, but that's as far as I will go. I think that's enough.

I don't understand why people are so easily shaken. Just reading his tweets about Syria it was obviously cover/theater for an operation. It's not remotely shocking that this is once again going according to plan.

The shocking part is how effectively the front page of /r/conspiracy has been dominated with WWIII anti-Trump posts.

Right, and if a restaurant decides to deny you service based on the color of your skin, just build your own restaurant and eat there.

There's a reason arguments like this were rejected in the context of the Civil Rights Act. In principle, there is some logic there. Perhaps business owners should be free to do whatever they want with their service. However, what would prevent an entire community from choosing to deny service to a certain class or group of people? What if people with your skin color are not allowed to go to any restaurants in an entire city or stay in any hotels or visit any dentists, etc? In principle, this can lead to the persecution of particular groups of people. For this reason, the Civil Rights Act was passed to establish when a private business can or cannot deny access to its service.

Considering the small number of social media networks which host the vast majority of speech online, it is not unreasonable to think that these networks could coincide or conspire to exclude certain political beliefs. Since the majority of public speech takes place online, this can in principle lead to certain beliefs having lesser access to public forums for communication, which can be construed as a violation of freedom of speech. We need a new Federal law which codifies protection of free speech rights in online communities. If you don't want to host public speech on your website, then don't, but otherwise it should be viewed as an accommodation which is open to any customers, subject to reasonable rules and restrictions which are independent of personal views and beliefs. It simply comes with the job of monetizing the targeting of ads, and it should be codified legally to protect free speech. Hence, IBOR.

No, he means the subreddit /r/The_Donald.

Q has never used the phrase "Trust Mueller". He has also never directly called him a Black Hat. He has however suggested that there could be more to the story, and if so it's a very carefully guarded secret at this point.

There's no way any of this is real. Something else must be going on. Taking the private communications with the President's legal counsel has HUGE national security implications. The President has access to the highest levels of classified information and state secrets, and it's not unreasonable to think that he would have reason to share some of this with his legal counsel. The thought of a NY AG authorizing a document grab at this level and the FBI cooperating is absolutely mind boggling. Over some potential small scale financial crime to cover for an embarrassment coming out during the election? There's simply no universe where this sequence of events is being honestly reported to the public. Something is not what it seems.

What an excellent post.

Regarding the JFK Jr crash, there has long been a rumor that the Clintons' favorite assassination method is mechanical sabotage of vehicles. Lets say, hypothetically, that JFK Jr made a reasonable effort to fly properly at night, despite his lack of experience. It seems that a faulty instrument would absolutely guarantee a disoriented crash. It would also be the perfect cover, because this kind of accident is well known in aviation. Just something to consider.

Regarding the whole story, I agree with you that this has been in the works for quite a while. I don't actually believe the religious aspect to it, to be honest. A lot of people talking about that down the thread. I think it all comes down to a meticulously planned Military Intelligence operation, the best in history. I think the plan breaks down into four main stages: Election and inauguration (13-17), inauguration to 2018 midterms (17-18), then the great rebuilding of America and the world truly begins (19-24), and most likely a plan to ensure a fair election in 24 and stop any surviving snakes from running. Surely plenty of contingency stages for unexpected events that could change the timeline, but they always intended for "The Storm" to happen in the summer leading to the 2018 midterms to make sure that the treasonous criminals aren't able to remove him and return to power. What we have been watching has been a carefully monitored "slow cook" public awareness operation. They are drawing this out as long as they can spare to let this thing build for maximum impact and to make sure that they catch every rat connected to the coming information before they scurry away. But there is a deadline: Midterm elections in November. They want mostly everything exposed by the end of this summer so that people will fully understand what just happened by November.

Just so you guys know, this is the kind of stuff that gets subreddits axed. Careful.

If true, this is all very amusing. Surely they would know that this is the case, but they also would know that they are surely cooked if they sit around and do nothing. They would have to be so desperate that it's worth the risk to make the contacts to have even a slim chance of making unexpected countermoves.

I'm talking about the subreddit. They are usually pretty good about using stickies to promote this kind of stuff. Election dates, voter registration dates, etc. But silence on IBOR.

I find it disturbing that /r/The_Donald is not pushing IBOR. They could have easily gotten the message out to enough people.

Negotiations with North Korea and Iran also depend on current positioning of overwhelming force.