THEIR NEED FOR SYMBOLISM WILL BE THEIR DOWNFALL

>The universal sentiment of the Freemasons of the present day is to confer upon Solomon, the King of Israel, the honor of being their first Grand Master. But the legend of the Craft had long before, though there was a tradition of the Temple in existence, given, at least by suggestion, that title to Nimrod, the King of Babylonia and Assyria. It had credited the first organization of the fraternity of craftsmen to him, in saying that he gave a charge to the workmen whom he sent to assist the King of Nineveh in building his cities.

>That is to say, he framed for them a Constitution, and, in the words of the legend, this was the first time that ever Masons had any charge of his science. It was the first time that the Craft was organized into a fraternity working under a Constitution of body of laws. As Nimrod was the autocratic maker of these laws, it necessarily resulted that their first legislator, creating laws with his unlimited and absolute governing power, was also their first Grand Master.

We're going back, way back, to where this all began. Join us as we trace from the beginning to today, and identify the symbols throughout the ages and how they show the rise and fall of nations time and time again.

Could it be? Could the ancient cults of Babylon really have survived to this day? The answer seems to be a very loud YES, but somehow many are deaf to this. Could this be the cabal? The infamous (((they))) everyone fears? Join us as we decode and expose this great mystery!!!

Who was Nimrod?

What was Babel?

Who were the Canaanites/Phoenicians?

What is their history with Child Sacrifice?

Who is Moloch/Baal/etc?

How did they relate to the ancient Israelites?

What did Egypt have to do with it?

Did the Exodus happen? And who were the Hyksos?

What about that weirdo Akhenaten?

Was it sun worship? Or was it SATURN worship?

Were these people actually monotheistic?

What about India, and the far East?

Were there Giants?

What happened to Neanderthals? Cro-Magnon?

Who was Enki, Enlil, and Anu?

When was America really discovered?

Why the Red/White stripes?

Who were the Vikings?

What is the Phoenix?

What are the origins of Freemasonry?

What about other secret societies?

What really happened in the French Revolution?

Why is America littered with occult symbolism?

What is the Owl?

What is a Y Head? Could it be related to the double headed Phoenix?

And many other questions! The above hopefully inspired some thought.

The purpose of this thread is not just to answer these in isolation, but to show connections that tie it ALL TOGETHER.

If you can, please provide exact dates as much as possible as it would be cool to eventually compile a Chronology of this timeline.

Formerly Nordic World Order

>>1719707

Archived: http://archive.is/mob16

Some have mentioned Noahide Laws as a possibility for the "N", personally I don't see how that adds up to much but I'll post them here for the sake of it:

Genesis 9

God’s Covenant With Noah

9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

4 “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

6 “Whoever sheds human blood,

by humans shall their blood be shed;

for in the image of God

has God made mankind.

7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

17 So God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth.”

—

I don't see how such laws are unreasonable, personally. I think it's interesting that most people don't realise that the Ten Commandments were for the Israelite's only, and that Noahide covenant is for us lowly Gentiles.

I wager that the Torah itself is hugely inspired by Babylonian mythology and that Babylon is the original source material anyway.

Even though Nimrod is in the Torah, and Nimrod was certainly not his real name (it was his slander name given by those who hated him), it's still the name we know him by.

It's pretty obvious the sad, barbaric practices of the Canaanites are directly inspired and endorsed by Old Babylon

>>1941716

Love it.

I find it incredibly convenient that the wars of the new century have all been in Mesopotamia. What are they really looking for?

They looted the Iraq Museum.

They dethroned Hussein who thought he was Nebuchadnezzar III

There's MILLIONS of cuneiform tablets still untranslated and likely much more underground.

This leads me to think two possibilities:

1. (((They))) know what they're looking for and want to find it before others do so that they can hide it.

1. (((They))) need to confirm something important and are desperately seeking the answer to mystery of their own.

I actually lean towards 2 because of how Hitler had teams go around the world looking for certain relics and other esoteric things. He was looking for something important.

So.. what could they be actually looking for? What are they trying to confirm? Maybe it's some sort of way of contacting "the gods"? Some cipher?

clearly child hunting.

white rabbit?

where do the "stars" lead if you follow them?

>>1941837

there was always lots of suspicion that saddam's WMDs were moved and hidden in Syria. I heard that from higher ups.

>>1941955

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Nimrod.html#.WzUfj9JKiHs

The verb מרד (marad) means to be rebellious or to revolt (2 Kings 18:7, Numbers 14:9). It occurs all over the Semitic language spectrum and about twenty-five times in the Bible. More than half of its occurrences cover scenes in which man revolts against man (and always Israel and its king revolting against an invading or occupying foreign force), and in the other half man revolts against God. Its derivations are:

The masculine noun מרד (mered), meaning rebellion (Joshua 22:24 only).

The feminine noun מרדות (mardut), also meaning rebellion (1 Samuel 20:30 only).

A semi-synonym of this verb is סרר (sarar), which also means to be rebellious, but which appears to place the emphasis on attitude rather than on action, as does מרד (marad).

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So obviously his mother didn't name her baby "Rebel", so Nimrod is a nickname.

Sounds kind of like Renegade, doesn't it????

FUCK OFF ANTI-WHITE SCUM

FUCK OFF KIKES

>>1941955

>>1942064

http://puravida7910.blogspot.com/2014/09/nimrod-mighty-hunter-vs-bugs-bunny.html

Bugs' ears are a Y.

http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/nimrod-the-true-story.html

Nimrod good. The construction union rebelled…

https://unrememberedhistory.com/2017/01/09/the-nimrod-effect-how-a-cartoon-bunny-changed-the-meaning-of-a-word-forever/

More Nimrod as positive…and Antartica.

Shakleton's Ship names Nimrod.

>>1942212

How in the fuck is this anti-white?

There's no racism here, we're tracing down a belief system and a secret cabal. The cabal might have racial undertones but it's certainly not isolated to one single race.

http://endtimetruth11thhour.blogspot.com/2012/08/nimrodfirst-kingdom-of-antichrist.html

Gen 10:8 10 + 8 = 18 (666) 6+6+6=18 more coincidence? "And Cush begat Nimrod:(666… the number of his name) he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

http://brooklynometry.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-is-nimrod.html

>>1942365

Ignore that anon. They lurk various side breads and shill hard.

>>1942253

I'm confused, are you insinuating that Nimrod was a whitehat? I highly doubt that.

Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the lord, yes. Nimrod had the cloaks that Elohim made for Adam and Eve, and this somehow charmed animals and allowed him to even talk to them.

But his name literally means Rebel.

From the link you posted:

Nimrod WAS "A MIGHTY HUNTER BEFORE GOD. He was the man choosen by GOD to eliminate the remnant of the giants that survived the flood. God even gave Nimrod a mighty bow to hunt them down with.

In those days the giants were considered as gods. Nimrod thought after killing them, he could use the same weapon against God's angels. He blamed the angels for what was happening to mankind at that time; the flood, the nephilim, etc.

The day the Tower of Babel was destroyed, Nimrod did try his mighty bow, given him by GOD, against an Angel that was watching the construction of the Tower of Babel.

That is the reason why people say Nimrod was against GOD; but he never was against GOD. He hated the Nephilim and he had to hunt the remnants of them. He knew the Nephilim used to be angels, so he thought if he could kill the angels he would probably save mankind.

DO NOT FORGET GOD's promise to Noah. The next time He will use fire to destroy the earth, instead of water. Nimrod thought that day was near; and that's why he tried to build the Tower of Babel, not to avoid a flood but to flee the fire.

>>1942371

Hah, funny. Maybe? How did they determine chapter/verse in the first place anyway?

>>1942438

I'm just pointing to articles that claim he was the great name and then this Y-headed bunny flipped that. Does that mean the people promoting Nimrod before were whitehats, not necessarily. It's just an interesting point. Nimrod has always meant moron to me, but apparently before Bugs, that wasn't the case.

One hypothesis: Nimrod was a great King. He created a brick layers union and they became powerful and turned on him…basically starting socialism…and they raped children. Then they flip the whole story and blame it on Nimrod and Babylon.

That was an interesting link. I think the Rebel/Renegade thing is also interesting…I'm just not sure about the Babylon story…I'm open to all theories if it helps weed out the truth.

It's just mafia…always mafia…some more esoteric with the adornments of religion or other dissociative tools to control…but nothing more at the architectural layer.

>>1940204

>>1942253

Nimrod - One World Government/One language; God destroys and disperses

Tower of Babel - ziggurats, building temples reaching heaven, profaning God; EU parliament building; Parliament also means a group of owls;

Semiramis/Astarte/Ishtar - Sacred Prostitution Cult eg Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut

Babylonian Talmudists/Sumerian Swindlers/(((they)))

Old World Order - Corrupt authoritarian regimes/feudal system.

Old World = Europe

New World Order

New World = Americas

As intended by our founding fathers to be a governing system based on checks and balances (Legislative, Judicial, Executive branches). This governing system was to be implemented in the USA to govern the course of human events as well as to attract the world's best and brightest in order to maintain its position as the main hegemonic power (Manifest Destiny).

From recent history, we can observe the many nation-state revolutions that occurred all around the world during the late 18th to 20th centuries. Crafted from dispelling tyrannical and imperialistic regimes in place of liberty and rule by the people for the people this New World governing system can be found in almost every single nation today. Simultaneously during this time the fight was not over and for centuries the good men of the world fought to maintain the New World Order as it should be. However, certain Old World families conspired to corrupt, subvert, and pervert the New World Order to maintain/reclaim their power and execute their agenda. Since the 20th century they have succeeded until 11/8/2016 and now we will set things right.

>>1944354

(((They))) have also corrupted symbols of good for (((their))) own sake in order to confuse, manipulate, and trick the good men into fighting their own and will be routed out because of them.

>>1942696

My thought is that Nimrod was not a good person. Probably even thought of himself as a God. The Tower of Babel is actually a metaphor, and the languages aren't words, but symbols. Symbols once understood, became confounded. His people spread throughout the Earth, but know each other because of their ancient symbols and therefore "language". In this way he was able to preserve his evil religion throughout the ages. In the beginning they openly practised it, but something happened that forced it underground. This is where the mystery religions and secret societies originate from.

>>1944389

>>1944460

I should have read your post first! Yes this is I think correct.

However, it may be more likely they use evil symbols and trick us into thinking they're good.

At this point I'm not even sure what a "good" symbol is

Obviously a biased Christian perspective on it, but interesting review of the notion

>>1941501

On the name of Nimrod, Just about everyone fails catch the fact that, after the confusion of languages, the dude, overnight, had 70 different names. Many of the so called "gods" are, in fact, the same person.

The same goes for his wife, who's statue stands in New York harbor ( a "Gift" from the Frogs.) Columbia happens to be one of her names. Ishtar (Easter) being another.

When you start linking the names together and chasing things out, more and more things world wide start taking on a whole new perspective. You start realizing that we have been lied to, over and over again, many times unintentionally, by people that don't know any difference than the lies that they were taught to be true.

Needless to say, I no longer consider myself a Christian but a follower of Yeshua Ha Mashiach/ Jesus the Christ. He DOES live. He WILL lead you and guide you. But you have to ask Him to. Joining a club doesn't do it. Getting dunked or sprinkled doesn't do it. Asking Him is the ONLY way to establish a relationship with Him.

And there aren't but two sides. Only Your choice of sides will be what you are accountable for when it's all said and done.

Find Yeshua, while you still can.

https://butlincat.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/an-encyclopedia-of-freemasonry-a-g-mackey.pdf

Babel

In Hebrew, ^33 ; which the writer of Genesis connects with SSa, balal, " to confound," in reference to the confusion of tongues ; but the true derivation is probably from BAB-EL, " the gate of El " or the "gate of God," because perhaps a temple was the first building raised by the primitive nomads. It is the name of that celebrated tower attempted to be built on the plains of Shinar, A. M. 1775, about one hundred and forty years after the deluge, and which, Scripture informs us, was destroyed by a special interposition of the Almighty. The Noachite Masons date the commencement of their order from this destruction, and much traditionary information on this subject is preserved in the degree of "Patriarch Noachite." At Babel, Oliver says that what has been called Spurious Freemasonry took its origin. That is to say, the people there abandoned the worship of the true God, and by their dispersion lost all knowledge of his existence, and of the principles of truth upon which Masonry is founded. Hence it is that the rituals speak of the lofty tower of Babel as the place where language was confounded and Masonry lost. See Oman.

This is the theory first advanced by Anderson in his Constitutions^ and subsequently developed more extensively^ by Dr. Oliver in all his works, but especially in his Landmarks. As history, the doctrine is of no value, for it wants the element of authenticity. But in a symbolic point of view it is highly suggestive. If the tower of Babel represents the profane world of ignorance and darkness, and the threshing floor of Oman the Jebusite is the symbol of Freemasonry, because the Solomonic Temple, of which it was the site, is the pro- totype of the spiritual temple which Masons are erecting, then we can readily understand how Masonry and the true use of language is lost in one and recovered in the other, and how the progress of the can- didate in his initiation may properly be compared to the progress of truth from the confusion and ignorance of the Babel builders to the perfection and illumination of the temple builders, which temple builders all Freemasons are. And so, when in the ritual the neophyte, being asked "whence he comes and whither is he travelling," replies, " from the lofty tower of Babel, where language was confounded and Masonry lo.st, to the threshing-floor of Oman the Jebusite, where language was restored and Masonry found," the questions and answers become intelligible from this symbolic point of view.

whoa!

>>1940204

>>1941501

Think: The Adversary; the Enemy (of GOD).

>Etymology: Nimrud > root MRD (Rebel) + "n" suffix = infinitive construction: THE Rebel.

http:// www.davelivingston.com/nimrod.htm

http:// mediamonarchy.com/2013/05/gilgamesh-is-nimrod/ [note sauce]

[2003] http:// news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2982891.stm

>>1945578

Nimrod

The legend of the Craft in the Old Constitutions refers to Nimrod as one of the founders of Masonry. Thus in the York Manuscript we read: "At y* makeing of y" Toure of Babell there was Masonrie first much esteemed of, and the King of Babilon y' was called Nimrod was A mason himselfe and loved well Masons." And the Cooke Manuscript thus repeats the story: "And this same Nembroth began the towre of babilon and he taught to his werkemen the craft of Masonrie, and he had with him many Masons more than forty thousand. And he loved and cherished them well." The idea no doubt sprang out of the Scriptural teaching that Nimrod was the architect of many cities ; a state- ment not so well expressed in the authorized version, as it is in the improved one of Bochart, which says : " From that land Nimrod went forth to Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and Rehoboth city, and Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah, that is the great city."

>>1946496

That would make sense.

I'm hoping that we can not get lost in mythology and try to find the TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. I think that's important to solving this puzzle.

So if Nimrod is Gilgamesh, and Gilgamesh is real, then that's important. We can then stamp a date on it and work forward from there.

I think it's fascinating that Gilgamesh was obsessed with conquering Death and becoming immortal. Perhaps he found a way by deifying himself in a cult? For all we fucking know, that kind of magic actually works and Gilgamesh really does live in some secret brain-in-a-vat deep in a Syrian cave (I kid! Or do I?)

HOLY SHIT GUYS I THINK Q JUST CONFIRMED WE'RE ON TARGET

Operation Gladio

P2

Blackmail system of Clowns

Freemasonry, started by the Canaanites… who were the Canaanites? They were the Phoenicians… Who were they? They pretty much collapsed the bronze age so that they could rebuild a monopoly of sea trading in the known world at the time.

The Phoenix Cabal.

Been trying to recall this for more than a week. And it finally dawned on me.

The greatest of the cities of the plains according to history. The only one laid completely waste.

Nineveh.

Nimrod.

Jonah.

Zephaniah.

Tobit.

Nineveh.

Nunia.

Nun. Whale.

Jonah.

Yes.

>>1947897

Nun (noon) is fish/whale.

It is said that it took three days to walk across Nineveh.

Whale.

>>1947939

Ashur, the mighty hunter, founder of Nineveh. = Nimrod.

Book of Revelations.

Read:

http:// www.redmoonrising.com/Giza/raiders3.htm

>>1946667

Yes. Ashur, Gilgamesh, Nimrod, Osiris.

"The Beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the Beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”

(Revelation 17:8).

>>1948148

Zahi Hawass and the tomb of Osiris.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/176324-the-tomb-of-osiris/

http://www.guardians.net/hawass/osiris1.htm

http:// www.towers-online.co.uk/pages/shaftos3.htm

>>1946884

There can be no justice when Masons control both PD's and Judges.

Thank you Q for calling them out.

>>1947148

>>1946884

Nimrod is the one of the founders according to early Freemasonry which you also posted about. From my understanding freemasons are concerned with establishing the third temple of solomon, amongst other things. First temple destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar II and second temple destroyed by Rome.

Modern Freemasons - Albert Pike - Luciferian Worship "Bringer of Light, Morning Star" - Rainbows are the entire visible light electromagnetic spectrum think LGBT symbol - Lucis Trust

Revelations 22:16

I, Jesus, have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Freemasons - What is their "great work"? - anti-catholic

Also secret societies within secret societies; Freemasons → Shriners → Royal Order of Jesters → SOBIB: Secret Order of Brothers in Blood

One can infer the acts performed based on the names there are also plenty of info online to verify what these groups do.

Rainbows are supposed to represent the convenant of God; good symbol being corrupted.

Canaan - Phoenicia - Carthage - Malta - Freemasons

Poor fellow soldiers of christ and the temple of solomon aka Knights Templar, they acquired much power and wealth to attract evil men; which led to the order to succumb to subversion, perversion, and corruption. I know about King Philip IV of France arrested Grand Master DeMolay and Co. on Friday October 13th 1307 accused of idol worship, homosex, spitting on the cross, and other profane acts. Pope Clement V issued Papal Bull on November 22, 1307 instructing Christian Monarchs arrest Knights Templar and seize their assets. They were not burned alive until March 18, 1314. Pope Clement V died about a month later and King Philip IV died later that year.

Low level templars were not convicted of those crimes. Knight Hosiptallers incorporated the Knights Templar wealth into their order and they have been in existence for almost 1000 years. Knights Hospitaller existed side by side to the Knights Templar but lacked their wealth, power, and prestige. Remainder of Knights templar joined Hospitaller or other orders. March 22, 1312 Papal bull abolished the Knights Templar and reorganized the order as Order of Christ (Portugal). This order was secularized in 1789 coinciding with the French Revolution date.

Friday the 13th "bad luck date"

November 22 is also JFK assassination date.

March 22 cabal date

Carthago delenda est

>>1948553

Organizations of substantial Power/Wealth attract evil men. Evil men seek to corrupt, pervert, and subvert those organizations to remain in control. The best organizations are based on hierarchy and as evil men infiltrate and climb the ranks they will promote their own into strategic positions within in the organization to maintain that control. What Q wants us to also understand is that because there are a few bad apples does not mean the entire organization is bad. Typically, you will observe that once you identify the bad you can easily cure the organization much like targeting a virus.

>>1946884

I think so too!

From Previous Thread.

>>1901589

I think that this goes all the way back to the Egyptians.

>>1901589

The common function of the early civilizations (accepted by mainstream historians) is that they were there to serve the Gods.

I see keys, phallus worship, sun worship, pineal gland (third eye shiat), owl through ancient and modern art.

Luxor, the Source of Light.

I'm sure most here have seen this but maybe some haven't.

>>1949306

Knights Hospitaller are now known as Knights of Malta

>>1942371

https://amazingbibletimeline.com/blog/cush/

Isaiah 11:11. Cush as one of the nations where Lord recovered the “remnant of his people”.

http://buzzardhut.net/index/htm/Babylon/Nimrod.htm

It was in Mesopotamia that the first cities were built after the flood, and the first of these was quite naturally named after the very first city built by man before the flood—Enoch. Due to vagaries of linguistic permutation, this name has come down to us as Erech or Uruk in Sumeria. In all there were seven major cities built near the head of the Persian Gulf, leading to the name "Land of the Seven Cities" commonly found in the early mythologies of the world. These seven cities are enumerated in Genesis as those which were conquered by Nimrod, establishing the world's first empire. The earliest Babylonian legends tell of a conquering people who came up out of the Persian Gulf and established an empire from these cities. This seems to fit well with what we know of the movements of Nimrod in his early career. He was a native of Ethiopia and was widely traveled among the few populated areas of those days. When he set out to build himself an army of conquest, he recruited from his "cousins" the descendants of Sheba and Dedan who had come up through Arabia to settle on the Asian mainland at the Straight of Hormuz and on the Indus river in what is now Afghanistan (these people were the Dravidians who were driven southward into India by the later Aryan invasion). After raising his army, Nimrod ferried them up the gulf in the world's first naval armada, and conquered his empire.

[…]

If people could not communicate with each other, they could hardly cooperate with each other. This primeval confusion of tongues emphasizes what modern man often fails to realize: the real divisions among men are not racial or physical or geographic, but linguistic. When men could no longer understand each other, there was finally no alternative for them but to separate from each other.

If anyone is inclined to question this explanation of the origin of the major differences among languages, then let him offer a naturalistic explanation that better accounts for all the facts. No one has done so yet. Obviously a miracle was involved, but the gravity of the rebellion warranted God's special intervention.

Although the major language groups are so different from each other as to make it inconceivable that they could have evolved from a common ancestral language group (except, as noted above, by such a long period of racial segregation as to cause the corresponding races to evolve to different levels themselves), the very fact that all the languages can be evaluated by common principles of linguistics, and that people can manage to learn other languages than their own, implies an original common cause for all of them. Noam Chomsky, who is one of the world's foremost linguists, is convinced that languages, though completely different on the surface, reflect an underlying commonality related to the fundamental uniqueness of man himself.

Besides the identification of Cush where God will reclaim some of his people from in Isaiah 11, that is also when the "shoot from the branch of Jesse" is prophecized, 'whose reign would destroy all evil and bring peace to the earth.'

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/shoot-jesses-stump/

Jean Fourton discovered that Sigmund Freud was a free-mason, and that nobody knew it. This is a discovery of interest for the history and daily clinical practice of psychoanalysis as it puts a new light on work and life of the creator of psychoanalysis. To fill in of a missing page in Freud's biography, he publishes in 2012 the first book on the subject which is now a reference:[7] Freud franc-maçon (Editions Souny) soon to be published in English.

–

`transference' to Goethe.

What is known for certain is that Jung's great inspiration, his grandfather Carl Gustav, was born in 1794 and converted to Protestantism in his student years. Carl Gustav attended Heidelberg University where he studied medicine though his first love was poetry. His combative personality and taste for radical causes were almost his undoing, for at twenty-three, with his career barely started, he was arrested and spent a year without trial in the Hansvogtei prison. His political activities led him to befriend genuine revolutionaries, one of whom assassinated the Russian privy councillor Kotzebue; in the ensuing hue and cry a hammer and an axe were found in Carl Jung's rooms and he was held as an accessory. Once released, ruined and embittered, he made his way to Paris where he met the famous naturalist and traveller Alexander von Humboldt. Humboldt took him under his wing, found him a job in the Department of Surgery at the Hotel-Dieu and spotted him as a potential recruit for the Berne academy. When Berne showed no interest, Humboldt presented his protege's credentials to the new medical school at Basel, and secured a post for him. Jung left for Switzerland in 1820, took out Swiss nationality and made his career in Switzerland thereafter, becoming professor of medicine at Basel University in 1822.

Like his grandson, Carl Gustav was autocratic and pranksterish. Anticipating Gerard de Nerval with his lobster, he had a small pig as a pet which he took on walks as if it were a dog. A strong personality, active, brilliant, witty, voluble and a great organizer, Carl Gustav senior transformed the Basel medical faculty. Before he arrived the faculty had been in a bad way: for many years the anatomist and botanist Johann Jakob Burckhardt had been the only teacher, and between 1806 and 1814 not a single degree had been awarded. Greatly interested in psychiatry – Carl Gustav tried unsuccessfully to endow a chair in the subject at Basel – he founded an institute for psychologically disturbed and retarded children and spent much of his free time with his charges until his death in 1864. Eventually Rector of Basel University, he was an ardent Freemason, became Grand Master of the Swiss Lodge, published numerous scientific papers and wrote plays. He made great friends with the German theologian Wilhelm de Wette (1780-1849), like himself a political refugee, who had been dismissed as professor of theology at Berlin University for his radical sympathies.

–

So the two grandfathers of therapy were quite possibly masons! Freud is suspected, and Jungs grandfather was a fucking Grand Master!!

>not the jews

>not the jews

>not the jews

>not the jews

>not the jews

>You know who is responsible? the nords

>fuck white people, goyim

https://www.truthcontrol.com/phoenicians

It is likely that the city of Avaris was first settled in ancient times by the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians had settled at Thebes from the earliest times and since we understand the Phoenicians to be Aryans (Irish), as well as sun-worshippers, we are most receptive to the suggestion that they were the predynastic founders of Avaris and of other Egyptian cities.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 2</cite>

Not until Jacob in a somewhat obscure manner was told to call himself Israel was that name adopted and accorded to his twelve "sons:" but if we accept the explanation of Sanchoniathon, a Phoenician of Tyre, Cronus "whom Phoenicians called Israel" was king of Phoenicia, and it signified that these Chaldeo-Phoenician tribes were worshippers of Cronus-Saturn…for Jehovah was a far later importation. The name Israel has subsequently been misappropriated, for those Biblical Christians who term themselves Israelites in fact label themselves followers of a pagan deity

— Comyns Beaumont / <cite>The Riddle of Prehistoric Britain (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

The first thing to clarify when it comes to the "Israelites" concerns the origin of the name "Israel." This name was not original to the people mentioned in the bible whose center was Jerusalem. None of the cities of the Hyksos pharaohs and their people bear the title "Israel." The term originated with the Irish and with the Phoenicians who had erected prominent and sophisticated cities all over Eastern Europe, Asia Minor, and the Levant. The Phoenicians were originally of Irish extraction and they had some of their most important bases in Ireland and Scotland. Not only were the Phoenicians expert sailors but they made good use of the land bridges that once existed between Scandinavia and England, and between England and Ireland.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 2</cite>

[…] the Phoenicians were indeed extraordinarily gifted men. They were one of the first races to devise and employ a sophisticated alphabet, construct great cities and temples, make paper for writing, and sail the seas of the world. The fact is that they were Arya, or adepts of the highest order. They were master architects, astrologers, shipwrights, mariners, healers, and scientists. We believe the Phoenicians were, like the Scythians, originally from the West. They preserved of the secrets of Megalithic construction and many other ancient arts. They may have been the original builders of many temples along the Nile. This is what the Old Testament hints, and what a great deal of miscellaneous Masonic literature suggests.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 2</cite>

Heliopolis was on the Phenician side of the Delta, in the neighborhood of the district inhabited by the Jews.

— Samuel Sharpe / <cite>Egyptian Mythology and Egyptian Christianity (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

As our scholars have failed to see the difference between Israel and the Jews, they have completely confused the issue; and when they speak of ancient Hebrew they mean Phoenician. "The oldest Hebrew manuscript dates from AD 489, is a roll and was found in the Karaite Synagogue in the Crimea." The Targums version of the Old Testament does not date any earlier than the Babylonian captivity of the Jews, and it was written in the Aramaic Chaldee language,and even of that version there is not BC in existence. So when our scholars speak of the ancient Hebrew of the Israelites they mean Phoenician evidently, for they never have seen it written on a scroll, only on the Siloam inscription, the Moabite stone, and the Phoenician engravings of the East, the Mediterranean, Southern Russia, and Europe, particularly in Britain.

>>1956421

Neither the Phoenician nor the Aramaic possessed any vowels, therefore the pronunciations differed according to locality and age. The vowel signs of the Hebrew manuscripts were introduced by Jewish scholars between the fifth and ninth centuries AD. None of the manuscripts from which our Bible was translated are older than the fourth century.

— Fredrick Haberman / <cite>Tracing Our Ancestors (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

The first king of the Phoenicians was King Tur, from whom the Teutonic Thor was derived, and also the British Artur or Arthur.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

The early Phoenicians were known to have referred to themselves and their kings by the term Got or Gott, signifying goats. This is where we derive the words god and good, and where place names such as Gotland and Goteborg, etc, come from. The Gotts were called the Goths by the Romans. These Caucasian Goths considered horned animals, such as stags and goats, to be sacred symbols of their people and gods.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

[…] it was they [Phoenicians], and not the Israelites, who were the creators of the alphabet, the great temple builders, and the world's finest seafarers, astronomers, and adepts. What they still hesitate to accept is the Irish origins of the Phoenicians. This fact has been obscured due to the geographical dispersion of the Phoenicians. As we have said, this dispersion was a necessity after the Age of Catastrophe.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

Many of the Greek gods and heroes were admitted to be Phoenician, including Heracles…Dionysus, Cadmus…Semele, the Cabiri, Oedipus, Phoenix, and many others. From Phoenix were descended the Greek heroes Minos, Sarpedon, Rhadamanthys, Phineus, Adonis, and his daughter Europa…Phoenicia is a very important part of many of the earliest Greek myths, along with much of the Greek language…One may begin with the poems of Homer, Hesiod and Euripides. Wherever such Phoenicians are described by the Greek writers, they were absolutely a white, fair-haired, fair-skinned people. Even the Roman poet Virgil in his Aeneid described the Carthaginian queen Dido, a Phoenician, as being blond and beautiful. While such may not have represented the norm, it certainly was the ideal expressed consistently throughout the poets

— William Fink / <cite>Classical and Biblical Records Identifying the Phoenicians (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

In Scripture Phoenicia was closely related to Edom, both meaning "red man"…They had, moreover, kings before Israel and were among the most highly civilized of the early races in the most distant prehistoric times

— Comyns Beaumont / <cite>The Riddle of Prehistoric Britain (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

>>1956424

There were two important reasons why the truth about the Phoenicians had to be suppressed and occluded. The first had to do with the fact that they were of Irish extraction, and the second was due to the fact that the Egyptians declared themselves to have inherited their civilization from the Phoenicians. Under no circumstances was this knowledge to become widely known. So the disinformation began to flow forth concerning this special and enlightened race. Almost everything we read about them is designed to deceive.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

Only alternative historians Ignatius Donnelly and Comyns Beaumont accepted the truth of the matter and accurately set the homeland of the Phoenician race in Ireland and Scotland.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

When we read in our popular histories of Phoenicia, we must never consider it as a national unity, like Egypt, Babylon, or Rome; for Phoenicia in this respect was different from any other country in history. Phoenicia never at any time was a nation under one government, but was merely a geographical designation

— Fredrick Haberman / <cite>Tracing Our Ancestors (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

It has been conceded by anthropologists and linguists that the alphabet came into the world from the mysteriously endowed race known as the Phoenicians.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

One of the terms that the Phoenicians used to describe themselves was Bharat, Barata, or Parats. This was the name of one of their earliest kings, the Sumerian Brihat, or Bharat. We surmise that this king, like his seafaring people, were actually named after the land of their ancestors, namely Barata, Brita, or Britain. […] One of the most important Phoenician goddesses was known as Brit Ana meaning "Lady of the Waters."

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

The original Irish, who had survived immense cataclysms, knew they needed access to the rest of the world in order to survive. They knew this meant the development of a "navy." So, the navigators were created. They were the Phoenicians, the expert observers of the heavens and mappers of the world. Their sidereal knowledge was an extension of Druidic wisdom perfected over centuries in North-Western lands. This knowledge allowed the "Hyperborean" Phoenicians to expertly navigate the oceans of the world. Like later Vikings and Danes, the Phoenicians sailed to the East (and West) creating small settlements on the coasts of lands they visited, traded with, and mined. Because of their prolonged commercial interaction with Asians and Orientals, the Phoenicians' alphabet, as well as many other Phoenician customs and practices, were adopted. Eventually, at the time of the Roman expansion, and after their roving decreased, the Phoenicians co-meddled with races of foreign blood and slowly began to lose their own racial distinctiveness.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

>>1956426

Thus the daring Phoenician pioneer mariners…and of whose great contributions to the civilization of Greece and Rome classic writers speak in glowing terms, were, I found by indisputable inscriptional and other evidence, not Semites as hitherto supposed, but were Aryans in Race, Speech and Script

— L. A. Waddell / <cite>Egyptian Civilization: Its Sumerian Origins and True Chronology (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

We concur with Professor Waddell's conjecture that the Phoenicians were not members of the Semitic racial family. The archaeological evidence clearly shows that they were, like the Irish, ethnically and racially Gothic, Nordic, Indo-European, and Caucasian or, as Professor Waddell preferred, "Aryan."

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

Solomon had good reason for assuring himself of active Phoenician support…no one disputes that the Phoenicians were masters at that time of both the Mediterranean and seas further to the east. They were the traders. No other people so boldly ventured onto the world's waters. No other people would even have dared sail around Africa. Characteristically, the Phoenicians had no land on which they settled, but rather a network of shipping facilities and numerous far-flung outposts at places across the known world

— Gruber and Kersten / <cite>The Original Jesus (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

>>1956434

In light of this, we do not accept as accurate the official dates given for the rise of the Phoenicians (a few hundred years BC). We agree with Comyns Beaumont and L. A. Waddell that their ancestry went much further back in time.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

…the Phoenicians were unquestionably identified with Atlantis, and that it was probably from Atlantis they derived their god Baal, or Bel, or El, whose name crops out in the Bel of the Babylonians, the Elohim, and the Beelzebub of the Jews, and the Allah of the Arabians […]

— Ignatius Donnelly / <cite>Atlantis: the Antediluvian World (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

[…] there can be little doubt, given the philological evidence, that the Phoenicians and Sumerians were one and the same people. However, unlike Professor Waddell, we do not believe the original homeland of the Phoenicians and Sumerians to have been either Cappadocia in modern Turkey, or the Danube Valley. We believe it to have been Britain. It is, therefore, through the travels of the Phoenicians that the world's parent language dispersed. Additionally, from the Phoenicians came the first unadulterated stellar and solar religion and first organized pantheons, as well as other techniques of science, architecture, music, and art.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

The new evidence slowly coming to light, regarding pre-diluvian civilizations in the West, and concerning lost land bridges, strengthens our strong belief in the Western origins of the Phoenician people.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

An objective study of the evidence shows that Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic, Syriac, and Armenian, as well as many other ancient languages, were enriched by the infusion of Phoenician religious and cultural elements.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

…this new Phoenician script became the basis for the later Hebrew, Greek and Latin scripts, and so this aspect of Phoenician culture has become a central component of all Western cultures

— Ralph Ellis / <cite>Scota: Egyptian Queen of the Scots (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

The Phoenicians (or more correctly the Kab Ari) were one of the greatest maritime races in the history of the world. They were masters of the oceans and the world's most proficient architects, shipwrights, woodworkers, traders, and astronomers. There was not a civilization in ancient Europe and Asia that did not owe their existence to the influence of the Phoenicians. This was especially the case with the Egyptians. The civilizations of predynastic Egypt were founded by these mysterious people of unknown origin. The first dynasty of Egypt was made up of Phoenician kings, and the languages of the two countries are strikingly similar. The language of the Phoenicians was not, as most scholars are wont to believe and advocate, a dialect of Egyptian. On the contrary, the Egyptian language was derived from Phoenician.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

>>1956437

It was Phoenicians who were commissioned by King Solomon to construct his temple.

— Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1</cite>

Bel or Baal or Beal was their [Phoenicians] chief secondary God. Baal appears universally as a god.

— Henry Binkley Stein / <cite>Thirty Thousand Gods Before Jehovah</cite>

Phoenicia was in reality a small group of gods that ruled a Semitic people. These gods according to inscriptions styled themselves the Royal race.

— Henry Binkley Stein / <cite>Thirty Thousand Gods Before Jehovah</cite>

The greatest Phoenician god was Oel (identified by some as Kronus) and the commonest Scandanavian name is Ole Oleson or Ole the son of Ole. What might be termed Phoenician influence is quite apparent in Northern Europe.

— Henry Binkley Stein / <cite>Thirty Thousand Gods Before Jehovah</cite>

Having obtained a monopoly on purple dye, which was highly prized throughout the ancient world, the Canaanites advertised their control over this product by calling themselves Phoenicians, from phoenicia (phoenikiea), the Greek word for purple. From the outset of their history the Phoenician Canaanites always managed to get a monopoly on some essential product.

— Eustace Mullins / <cite>The Curse of Canaan</cite>

…the expansion of the Babylonian Brotherhood accelerated on the political and financial fronts…very name of Italy derives from the word bull - a Nimrod symbol.

Once again they travelled under the heading of Phoenicians and they settled in the north of Italy in 466 AD in what is now Venice. These Phoenicians then became known as Venetians. They built a powerful maritime (of course) and financial empire which was based on lending people money that does not exist and charging them interest on it.

— David Icke / <cite>The Biggest Secret</cite>

>>1956442

SUMMARY

This Aryan expansion began as far back as 3,000 BC, probably earlier, with their seafaring branch, the Phoenicians. They were a technologically advanced people who have been marginalized by official history and this has obscured their true identity. They are fundamental to understanding where we have come from and where we are now. It was they who brought both their genetic lines and their knowledge to Europe, Scandinavia and the Americas, thousands of years BC. Their story is told by L. A. Waddell in his book, The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, Scots And Anglo-Saxons. Waddell was a fellow of the Royal Anthropological Institute and spent a lifetime researching the evidence. He shows that the Phoenicians were not a Semitic race as previously believed, but a white Aryan race. Examination of Phoenician tombs reveals that they were a long-headed Aryan race and of a totally different racial type to the Semites. The Phoenicians of the ancient world travelled by sea from their bases in Asia Minor, Syria and Egypt to settle in the islands of the Mediterranean like Crete and Cyprus and also Greece and Italy. It was the Phoenicians who carried the knowledge which later emerged as the civilizations of Minoan Crete, classic Greece and Roman Italy. They were also the ‘brains’ behind much of the Egyptian culture in this period, before it was hijacked by the reptilians. The Egyptians knew the Phoenicians as the Panag, Panasa and Fenkha. The Greeks called them the Phoinik-as, and to the Romans they were the Phoenic-es.28 There is a simple reason why the Egyptians depicted many of their gods with white skin and blue eyes in exactly the same way as other cultures all over the world did. This advanced race, called the Phoenicians, were white skinned and often had blue eyes the same as the reptilian-human crossbreeds and the same, it would appear, as the race from Mars. Thus we have the Scandinavian races, which were installed by the Phoenicians and other peoples of the same bloodstock and general location. It is also the origin of the Aryan ‘Master Race’ nonsense which obsessed the Nazis and the secret societies which created them. The hero of the Freemason secret society to this day is the mythical Hiram Abif, the so-called builder of King Solomon’s Temple. Abif is supposed to have been a Phoenician. The grandfather of the famous Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten, the father of Tutankhamen, was a Phoenician high priest. The Phoenix, the mythical bird of Egypt, was in fact the Sun bird of the Phoenicians, the emblem of the Sun God, Bil or Bel, and as it has been later symbolized, a peacock or an eagle.29 Evidence has emerged in recent years about pyramids on Mars, when the NASA scientists, Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar, discovered six enormous pyramids like those in Egypt in the Cydonia region of Mars.30 It would make sense that the same Martian race with the same knowledge would also build pyramids when they came to Earth, and the same can be said of the Anunnaki if, as Zecharia Sitchin speculates and I agree, they had settlements on Mars.

— David Icke / <cite>The Biggest Secret</cite>

>>1953639

No one's saying the Nords, you shill. Notice that Nordic was changed to Nimrod

But it's no doubt that the viking raids that destabilised Europe played a part in the grand plan.

Where's the star of david you dirty jew bastard?

That's the most wicked symbol of all.

>>1956421

Wait did I read this correct? The author is actually suggesting that the Canaanites sailed all the way from Ireland to the Levant? This thread is certainly open to all theories, can you unpack this a bit more?

Is he actually suggesting that the Phoenicians weren't semetic at all?

>This is what the Old Testament hints, and what a great deal of miscellaneous Masonic literature suggests.

This part in particular intrigues me.

> These Caucasian Goths considered horned animals, such as stags and goats, to be sacred symbols of their people and gods.

Y HEADS

> Almost everything we read about them is designed to deceive.

Considering how hard it is to get a straight story about these mysterious people, I can believe it.

> Phoenicia never at any time was a nation under one government, but was merely a geographical designation

True, which is what makes this especially tricky. You can't even really call them Phoenician, that's what others called them.. what did THEY call THEMSELVES? I've been under the assumption Canaanites, however that is just a geographical description. Would they call themselves after each city they're from? Yet they seemed to all act in coordination, even amongst their various ports.

> It has been conceded by anthropologists and linguists that the alphabet came into the world from the mysteriously endowed race known as the Phoenicians.

Conceded? What did historians hope for instead?

> One of the terms that the Phoenicians used to describe themselves was Bharat, Barata, or Parats. This was the name of one of their earliest kings, the Sumerian Brihat, or Bharat. We surmise that this king, like his seafaring people, were actually named after the land of their ancestors, namely Barata, Brita, or Britain. […] One of the most important Phoenician goddesses was known as Brit Ana meaning "Lady of the Waters."

HOLY FUCK. Ok so that answers my above question. So is this implying then that it all starts, somehow, in Ireland and Ireland founded Sumer?

> Eventually, at the time of the Roman expansion, and after their roving decreased, the Phoenicians co-meddled with races of foreign blood and slowly began to lose their own racial distinctiveness.

So certainly not the little fighting leprechauns we think of today

> Phoenicians were unquestionably identified with Atlantis

Brasil?! The vanishing island?? Didn't that LARP EyeTheSpy also mention that Atlantis is around there? Weird.

> The language of the Phoenicians was not, as most scholars are wont to believe and advocate, a dialect of Egyptian. On the contrary, the Egyptian language was derived from Phoenician.

That's mind blowing if true

> Phoenicia was in reality a small group of gods that ruled a Semitic people. These gods according to inscriptions styled themselves the Royal race.

Bloodlines. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if all the so called gods were just deified people of the forgotten past.

>>1957096

Saturn's on there.

This one picture might explain all of our ancient history. Perhaps the so-called deluge wasn't all at once, it was a slow motion sinking of "an island"….

Couldn't help but notice this… probably just a coincidence!!

>>1949306

But why would the Catholic Church hunt down the Knights Templar if they were all part of the same mystery schools behind closed doors? Different agendas?

This is a common issue we run into, it's hard to decipher the real motive behind the actions. Every story is so biased and skewed to one perspective.

>>1952583

Q Confirmation?

They have tied themselves to the pedostake of their own making. Trump stands in front of them with the lit match of Q in hand.

They stare at each other. Trump says, "Well punks, do you want to see how hot it'll get? Go ahead. Ask me to drop this match. Go ahead."

>>1957340

I posted it all because it was so full of assertions that I had not heard before.

There seems to be links to back up the assertions. I have not researched any of those.

JUst fascinated by all of it.

>>1958190

And thank you so much for doing so. This actually revives my Viking curiosity which I was struggling to find links for.

I'm hoping we can all agree to keep this thread scientific and just dump evidence and we'll figure out conclusions later.

Very often this data is only ever looked at by a competing sect which benefits from discrediting or twisting history in a certain way. I want to be as objective as possible and put all the possibilities on the table, then we can sort out which ones explain other ones.

>>1957340

>Wait did I read this correct? The author is actually suggesting that the Canaanites sailed all the way from Ireland to the Levant?

Would explain the freemasonry in Ireland, would it not, knowing that the Phoenicians had secret, secret, societies.

Canaanite religious mythology does not appear as elaborated compared with existent literature of their cousin Semites in Mesopotamia. In Canaan the supreme god was called El (𐤀𐤋, "god").[88][89] The son of El was Baal (𐤁𐤏𐤋, "master", "lord"), a powerful dying-and-rising storm god.[90] Other gods were called by royal titles, as in Melqart meaning "king of the city",[91] or Adonis for "lord".[92] (Such epithets may often have been merely local titles for the same deities.) On the other hand, the Phoenicians, notorious for being secretive in business, might use these non-descript words as cover for the secluded name of the god,[93] known only to a select few initiated into the inmost circle, or not even used by them, much as their neighbors and close relatives the ancient Israelites/Judeans sometimes used the honorific Adonai (Heb: "My Lord") in place of the tetragrammaton—a practice which became standard (if not mandatory) in the Second Temple period onward.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

>>1957668

Good question! If there's a central cabal pulling the strings of it all, then it makes some things pretty weird. Such as, why would the French King and Pope obliterate the Templars? Well, if they're "in on it", it could be part of the public facade, and would allow the organisation to purposely go "underground". Perhaps that's a bit of the phoenix in action, grow to a certain size then "die out", but not really because now you're reborn and no one suspects you. Interestingly that King/Pope died the very next year. Coincidence? That would seem to me like they weren't part of such a plan. That could be the case too, and the Templars merely allowed it to happen. But that's also kindof an insane scenario because that would mean DeMolay wanted to burn at the stake on purpose (isn't it awesome that Mickey Mouse is based on a guy who burned at the stake for devil worship?)

>>1957366

Man they need to DIG (literally) here. I bet there's some ancient ruins to find

>>1956445

>It would make sense that the same Martian race with the same knowledge would also build pyramids when they came to Earth, and the same can be said of the Anunnaki if, as Zecharia Sitchin speculates and I agree, they had settlements on Mars.

I love how this guy just casually throws in Reptilians in the middle of all this. But anyway, my biggest problem with this exercise getting interplanetary is that how the hell could we lose all that tech?

Yes there's a couple of OOPARTS out there that defy explanation, but just because the Greeks seemed to have had a very large, analog calculator "computer", doesn't mean much. Why were the Babylonians chiselling out millions of cuneiform tablets if they could have utilised papyrus and the Phoenician language if that was already in use? Afterall, these theories are claiming that Phoenician was the first language and Egyptian hieroglyphs actually descends from that language. I don't think that holds water, I don't know if there's really good evidence for that.

Peoplekind has had a pretty steady progression of eureka moments that explains the technology of each age quite nicely.

I suppose we could always claim that the Phoenicians kept their rayguns to themselves, but surely archaeologists would have stumbled upon one by now.

>be good men

>come together

>form powerful organization

>pool wealth together

>gain more wealth/power cycle

>do good for fellow man

>be evil men

>infiltrate

>corrupt, subvert, pervert

>do bad for fellow man

>be good men

>fight back

>good men win

>>1958293

this has been our history for a long while and what the most difficult thing to do is to figure out who specifically were the good guys and who were the bad guys but after thousands of years of misinfo, disinfo, and history being written by the winners it is even more convoluted albeit we are getting closer and closer to the truth.

>>1957668

Different agendas because there are multiple factions within those organizations. Think of this today with the Roman Catholic Church, the Church is a holy body, pure and good as it was, is, and will be. However, there are many satanic pedo-homo priests who are the antithesis of good that have successfully infiltrated to promote their own satanic agenda over the years. Does this mean the Roman Catholic Church itself is evil? No, just that it has bad apples; a lot of them. Matthew 16:17 "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." I interpreted "prevail" as an end, as in when it is all said and done; the gates of hell can be observed as prevailing right now but (((they))) will not win in the end.

>>1958396

I wonder how much of the disciplines with regards to human origins and human civilizations are being and have been suppressed. I find it amusing and ironic that during the Trump admin certain "disclosures" occur, such as, locating organic matter on Mars or ancient civilization presence off the coast of Florida.

http://www.ancientpages.com/2018/03/03/7000-year-old-native-american-underwater-burial-site-discovered-off-coast-florida/

https://www.cnet.com/news/curiosity-has-discovered-organic-matter-on-mars/

"We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow." - DJT inauguration speech

It will just be matter of time when we will accomplish this if it has not been accomplished already.

>>1957340

>>1956421

Some interesting points, theories, & discussion.

Especially, that you have provided some references. IMO this is the key to this unpacking of history. We need to provide references so other anons can do their own research and add to the discussion. I have been researching and found some information to be false / fiction. A lot of this thread is just information without reference. It needs to be challenged and validated so we can move towards the truth.

Also, IMO scope too wide. Need to focus more on particular timeline or a more specific thesis.

The discussion here seems to focus on Canaanite / Phoenicia influences (Mesopotamia). And the power structure & symbolism that came from that area / people.

>>1958607

Yeah, the reptiles. wha? Can't just through that in there and reference Icke. Starts to slide. That needs a huge back story, none of which can be validated unless you see a reptile yourself.

https:// www.preceden.com/timelines/210128-world-civilizations

>>1958063

that is such beyootiful imagery

OP, I had a tremendous laugh reading your words, "What about that weirdo Akhenaten?" because I had been reading about that very weirdo this morning! We're on the same track in terms of finding answers to today's "problem" buried in history. And buried (((they))) want it, and in their hands to control and master.

>>1957340

<Bloodlines. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if all the so called gods were just deified people of the forgotten past.

My theory about the creation of gods during ancient times is a little more simple. Consider how easy it is for people to believe literally anything. Our history is replete with countless sweeping myths of strength, opulence, beauty, knowledge, powers etc, all of it an ideal based upon projections of people reflecting on what they don't have. In an age without modern day factual recording technology such as photography, video, sound… anyone (then and now) can believe and say anything about anyone/ anything, and who's to say they're wrong? All it takes a smile behind the untruth, and boom, you have a believer, and sure enough, the untruth spreads. So and so believed it, so therefore I believe it. And now you (threatening tone, leverage) must believe it.

Gods? Yesterdays sports and film heroes.

>>1958664

(Pay particular attention to verse 15-20)

Matthew 7

Judging Others

1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

6“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Ask, Seek, Knock

7“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

The Narrow and Wide Gates

13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

True and False Prophets

15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

True and False Disciples

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

>>1958756

>I have been researching and found some information to be false / fiction.

If you discover anything is absolutely FALSE, let's sort that out. Post the reasoning for why it's false and we can move on past it. We need to collect the facts!

Could you imagine, if we could spread out 100 undeniable facts about this topic, and then make connections?

>IMO scope too wide

It is!! But I feel it's getting narrower.. the Nordic World Order was a good start but after considering a lot of the evidence there's no way we can say it started with them. The Phoenicians = Ireland idea is intriguing but needs more weight. Even still, those wouldn't be Nords.

The common scope we should be looking for is shared symbology and metaphors across these cultures. Tie them down to actual history and events. Build a timeline.

By identifying the bad guys, the good guys will emerge as those who tried to stop them (and were typically punished).

KNOW YOUR ENEMY

>>1959087

Bloodlines. I think this image was originally meant as a joke. But, it might not be.

And in my naivity I would think that ancient history would be an open book. Ancient secrets laid bare, because who cares?

The fact that it's shrouded in deep mystery and convenient omissions makes me think (((someone))) does care.. and why? After all this time, why would anyone care what happened 4000 years ago?

Why indeed! Well, we're going to find out.

http://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-aide-accused-of-running-an-occult-police-force-2015-5

One of California Attorney General Kamala Harris' (D) staffers was arrested last week and "accused of operating a rogue police force that claimed to exist for more than 3,000 years," The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.

Brandon Kiel, deputy director of community affairs at the California Department of Justice, and two others — David Henry and Tonette Hayes — reportedly face charges for their roles in the Masonic Fraternal Police Department

>>1961759

"Suspicions about the Masonic Fraternal Police Department — whose members trace their origins to the Knights Templar — were aroused when various police chiefs in Southern California received a letter in late January that announced new leadership for the group," the Times' Matt Hamilton wrote.

"Following an investigation, officials said, sheriff's investigators searched two sites in Santa Clarita and found badges, weapons, uniforms and law enforcement paraphernalia."

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's department said in a statement that the Masonic Fraternal Police Department was not a legitimate police force and that Kiel, Henry, and Hayes were arrested for allegedly impersonating police officers.

"Detectives conducted a thorough investigation in collaboration with several law enforcement agencies and determined MFPD was not a legitimate police agency," the sheriff's department said in a statement, according to NBC News.

The Times called attention to a website purporting to represent the Masonic department. The site claims the police department is widely respected and operates in 33 states.

"The Masonic Fraternal Organization is the oldest and most respected organization in the 'World.' Grand Masters around the various states are facing serious safety concerns for their Jurisdictions and their family members. The first Police Department was created by the 'Knights Templar's' back in 1100 B.C.," the site says. "When asked what is the difference between The Masonic Fraternal Police Department and other Police Departments the answer is simple for us. We were here first!"

Harris is the Democratic front-runner to replace Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-California) in 2016. Her office declined to comment to the Times but said Kiel had been placed on administrative leave.

>>1959559

Very true. Or comic book heroes.

I posited a theory in the previous bread about how Heliotheism is a scam (aka Monotheism).

When there were many gods there was more diversity of thought. There was a god of Music, and a god of Math, and a god of Agriculture. You could devote yourself to one of these and the other gods would be chill. This also served as a personification of a discipline. By deifying a craft, you could increase devotion to the learning and mastery of it. So it had a practical purpose.

Now some guy comes in and topples all your idols. Fucking asshole. And says all those gods are phonies, and here's the ONE TRUE GOD.

Now anyone who doesn't agree, is a heretic and can be killed in a fire. Does that God care about science? Or just want constant devotion? Look what happened to the Islamic empire.. one minute they're at the cutting edge of scientific discovery, then they say "WHOA WAIT ALLAH DOESN'T WANT THIS! LETS STICK OUR ASSES IN THE AIR INSTEAD!!!"

It's a sad turn of events.

It's pretty clear that this was all Sun-Worship too. Absolutely every monotheistic analogy relates to the fucking sun. Whats fascinating though is that nowhere in the Bible does it say there's literally only one God. In fact, God says he's jealous. So these folks decided that the Sun is the strongest and best God and will take care of every need, and the fools who worship other gods are fit to be taken advantage of because they're dumb.

But some go a step further and say that's not the sun, but SATURN. Video related.

>>1961925

Unfortunately, a common strain among those cultures who believed in and worshiped many gods, one over-riding impulse became dominant, that of achieving money and power. The more you wanted that, the more you had to sacrifice to achieve it. Sell your soul and do the unthinkable.

As for specifics of what that unthinkable meant, pick among the worst. That was the common problem among those cultures. Whatever else was good (their math and science advancements), they still had fucking Moloch eating children, plus oppressive slavery and corruption.

One monotheistic religion did not come in heavy handed with a god to end all gods. Their underlying principles and rules of behavior were often superior, based upon justice, and love.

>>1961925

The Saturn mythos freaks me out a bit.

In 2001: A Space Odyssey , the original monolith was on a moon of Saturn, not Jupiter.

Plus all the secret Saturn worship amongst the elites.

One wonders if it's all like a video game.

>>1940204

This really whet my almond appetite. Looking forward to when you post what you got.

>>1964643

It is

Testing something.g out

>>1962440

Apparently Egypt didn't have slavery till the new Kingdom.. And no, the Hebrews were never enslaved. These were more just servants for aristocratic elites.

Babylon, on the other hand….

>>1944489

Q mentioned a quote from Paradise Lost

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

==relating to your comment "they use evil symbols and trick us into thinking they're good"

>>1967349

When did Q say that?

O Tannenbaum

Oh Tree of Tanit

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>>1969250

Fantastic work!! Did you already know about this stuff or were you inspired by these threads? That tanit logo couldn't be more clear, it's amazing!

That Gloria Vanderbilt art is obviously child sacrifice. There's no other way to see it. One thing I never noticed before is you can close the doors of it and then it just shows a sun and moon. Possibly to hide this profane display?! The sun and moon fall on different spots so I wonder what it would look like closed

According to David Icke's research, Nimrod, Moloch and Baal are all interchangeable symbolic deities that represent Saturn (along with the central figures in most organized religions (without the knowledge of the participants) and the central figures in practically every secret society (the members of these secret societies do tend to know since it's pretty blatant, like with the Fraternitas Saturni)). Saturn was in a different position thousands of years ago, and all of the old sun-gods from ancient religions are actually based around Saturn, based on the symbolism of the surrounding rings and such. Satan also refers to Saturn. The constant shoving of Satanic symbolism in our faces is a way of pointing everyone's subconscious attention towards this one central thing that each of these symbols represents and thus giving them power (in a non-physical way). Saturn is meant to be the physical channel through which the Gnostic Demiurge can influence reality.

>>1968033

Yeah, that was Verbal Kent in "The Usual Suspects"…. The line gets used again in the Schwarzenegger movie "End of Days"

>>1969818

Lots of different things came together. A post in the main thread on tanit triggered my Autism. still digging.

The whole Mary and the Virgin Child, I'm thinking, isn't referring to the virgin as Mary…The virgin IS the child…

Interesting twist on the virgin child idea! Although I think the Virgin Birth concept is more likely. One guess I have is it's referring to angels fucking hot humans and having freak kids..

Anyway, I had a brainwave to investigate the Hebrews. I think this goes way beyond any one race, but obviously they wrote a lot about this evil in their own books so we can't avoid it. So who the fuck are they?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu

Basically they were highland nomads. Makes sense since YHWH seemed to always talk to them on mountains. The Tribe may have been ethnically distinct from the Canaanites which lends to the idea that the Phoenicians werent semetic in the first place.

Not sure where this piece fits in the puzzle but thought it worth considering.

They were mentioned in Egypt in 14th century BC

That Tanit logo is really fucking with my head… Never did I think these fucking "Phoenicians" would still be using such a logo..

PHOENICIAN OF PLAUTUS:

Byth lym mo thym nociothii nel ech an ti daisc machon

Ys i do iebrim thyfe lyth chy lya chon temlyph ula.

EARLY IRISH-CELTIC:

Beth liom' mo thime nociaithe, niel ach an ti dairie mae coinne

Is i de leabhraim tafach leith, chi lis con teampluibh ulla.

In 1772, General Charles Vallancey, a leading Irish scholar of the day, published his famous work, "Essay On The Antiquity Of The Irish Language, Being A Collation Of The Irish With The Phoenician Punic Language." In his opening remarks he states, "On a collation of the Irish with the Celtic, Punic, and Phoenician languages, the strongest affinity, (nay a perfect Identity in very many Words) will appear; it may therefore be deemed a Punic-Celtic compound."Vallancey continues, "from the Canaanite proceeded the Phoenician, from the Phoenician, Carthaginian, or Punic was derived the Aeolian, Dorian and Etruscan, and from these was formed the Latin… Of the Roman Saxon capital letters, the Irish use but three, all the others bear a very great resemblance to the primitive Canaanite and Phoenician." (p. 2-3) Modern language scholars have confirmed that there is a definite connection between the Celtic and Canaanite Phoenician."

Here's a royal link!

Since it is true that Canaanite Phoenicians migrated to Europe in large numbers in ancient times, there must be religious and cultural ties, and in fact, such connections abound. Dr. Thomas Moore's, History of Ireland(p. 40), relates:

"That most common of all Celtic monuments, the Cromlech… is to be found not only in most parts of Europe, but also in Asia," including eastern Mediterranean. Not less ancient and general, among the Celtic nations, was the circle of upright stones, with either an altar or tall pillar in the centre, and, like its prototype at the temple of Byblos, Phoenicia, Gilgal [ancient Israel], serving sometimes as a temple of worship, sometimes as a place of national council or inauguration… The rough, unhewn stone…used in their circular temples by the Druids. Dr. Beauford, in Druidism Revived, says, "It is remarkable that all the ancient altars found in Ireland, and now distinguished by the name of Cromlechs or sloping stones, were originally called Bothal, or the House of God, and they seem to be of the same species as those mentioned in the Book of Genesis, called by the Canaanites, Bethel, or discovered in Byblos, Phoenicia, which has the same signification as the Irish Bothal." The Bible (Judges 9:6; 2Ki. 11:14; 2 Chon. 23:13) indicates that Phoenician kings were crowned either standing upon or next to a pillar of stone. "The practice of seating the new king upon a stone, at his initiation, was the practice in many of the countries of Europe…. The monarchs of Sweden sat upon a stone placed in the centre of twelve lesser ones, and in a similar kind of circle the Kings of Denmark were crowned." (Moore, ibid., p. 42) Note also the significant Bible number, 'twelve', which was common to both European Celts and the Phoenicians.

The book, Identity of the Religions Druidical and Phoenician, adds, "Circular temples…abound in England and other parts of Europe. The most ancient account of them is to be found in the book of Exodus (24:4), "And Moses… builde an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes.." (p.15) In Europe, Stonehenge, Avebury, and many other early Celtic sites were designed in a circular pattern. There is no record that preserves the order in which the pillars or stelae of the temple of Byblos were organized.

Groves were also features of both Phoenician and Celtic worship. Significant importance was paid by the Celts to the mistletoe and Phoenician Libanesis was/is abundunt in it like no other place in the Near East.

The division of time into a seven-day week was practiced by the Irish Celts, identical to the Phoenicians from whom the Israelites learned the practice and used it after coming to Canaan. In Egypt, the week was made up of ten days and the Israelites had to follow the ten day week following their Egyptian masters. It was referred to as the market days. The Romans had an eight day week.

Since early times, the Israelites sinned against God by adopting many of the pagan practices of their neighbors, and so we find evidence of both Canaanite Phoenician and Canaanite culture among their descendants in Europe. The ancient Baal pillar is one of many such religious monuments which have been found from the Middle East to Ireland.

There are many other examples, however, of customs linking the Celtic Druids specifically with Phoenicia. English historian, William Borlase, in his "Antiquities Of Cornwall," (1754) presented many pages of such evidence: Druids worshipped but one God and allowed no graven images, identical to the Phoenicians, and in contradistinction with almost all other ancient religions. Consecration was by sprinkling with blood, as in Canaanite worship. Druid priests were clothed in white, similar to the Canaanite priest's white ephod'sacrificial victims were bled to death, and the blood was collected in basins which served to sprinkle the altars; bulls were sacrificed, and the image of a bull (the heraldic sign of one Canaanite tribe) was carried into war. "While they performed their horrid rites of human sacrifice, the drums and trumpets sounded without intermission, that the cries of the miserable victims might not be heard." (Compare Jer. 7:31-32; the Canaanite/Phoenician place of human sacrifice was called Tophet, meaning 'the drum' – read more about the controvertial subject of child sacrifice in this site). They prayed with uplifted hands, examined entrails for necromancy, and held the oak in veneration. Further, the standoff between Elijah and the Priests of Baal is another example of the similarity between the Celts and Phoenician priests of Baal. The Druids used the magic wand in imitation of Moses' rod, poured libations, sacrificed upon the tops of rocks, investigated truth by lots, anointed rock pillars with oil, and marked out boundaries with stones. (pp. 104-132, 161) In these and so many other distinctive ways, the religious customs of the Celts and Canaanite Phoenicians bear an unmistakable resemblance!

So I'm thinking it makes most sense that Ireland was just a Phoenician colony. They didn't COME from there.

However! This link is still very important because it seems likely that the DRUIDS were practicing the Phoenician religion (and perhaps were all originally Phoenicians to begin with)

Druids are incorporated into Freemasonry. I can't find the link anymore, but I'm sure I read recently that the Scottish lodge has druid as one of its degrees

Holy fuck! The Phoenicians even had a hand at formulating the Bibles current form!!

Many ignorant historians claim that Phoenicia ceased to exist in 64 B.C. That "happened" when it became part of the Roman world. But, in 425 A.D. official Roman records show the division of Phoenicia Prima into two provinces: Phoenicia Maritima and Phoenicia Libanensis. In the early Byzantine times, the Count of Phoenicia governed Phoenicia. In 380 A.D., Saint Jerome wrote: 'Damnatur Origenes a Demetrio episeopo exceptis Palaestinae…et Phoenicis atque Achaiae sacerdotibus' since 231 A.D. This means that he considered Phoenicia as a separate entity.

At the council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., eleven bishops were present from Phoenicia. They were the bishops of Tyre, Damascus, Sidon, Tripolis, Paneas, Berytus, Palmyra, Ptolemais, Alasus, Emesa, and Antaradus. Saint Augustine (400 AD) witnesses to the same account of Saint Jerome. The Church Councils of Tyre (449 & 515 AD), do the same, as well. And last but not least, the Fall of Phoenicia to the Arabs (640 AD), testify to the continued existence of Phoenicia, in the seventh century. Finally, Church tradition of naming the major bishops of Phoenicia, honorary, living title of 'Metropolitan Archbishop of Phoenicia Maritima.' Lebanese bishops continue to carry this title today (see page with translation – MP3 Byzantine psaltica chants: Bishop of Beirut & Bishop of Tripoli) are a few of many solid proofs that Phoenicia and its people live on despite the misinformation.

Random thought I'd like to share. Maybe it's nuts.

What if the secret they're protecting isn't necessarily evil. Think of the force. It's just the force. Good or evil people can use it the same but for different purposes. The Phoenix Cabal jealously guards this knowledge because if the masses knew the secrets of their "magic" or gnosis, then they would be equally equipped to fight and defeat them. I'm making a huge assumption that their magic is really doing something. Consider it more of a lost science that they occasionally expose so that society advances one step forward (always under their control)

The child sacrifice but has NOTHING to do with an actual God rewarding them. It's a pledge to the cabal that they will be loyal for the rest of their life as they've just proven the depths of their devotion with their sacrifice.

Once they make the blood pledge they're given access to the great secrets.

Some of these secrets remain lost and buried in Mesopotamia which explains the constant wars there of the past two decades.

Think about it. The greatest scientists of all time have always had occult connections. They knew ahead of time and merely disclosed, and the cabal has always profited off the patents that emerge.

No evidence for this yet but I feel like I might be hovering over something big here. This is why the Gnostics had to be snuffed out and defamed because they were giving out the secrets for free. I can't believe that the Phoenicians had a hand at Nicea!

>>1971746

They're not protecting jack shit metaphysical. It's just an intertwined mafia all interlocked through compromise. They can't untie themselves!

I suppose it started with the original sin or hiding something or doing something that was "in the shadow", a lie. Whatever it was it was a piece of cheap grace, ill-gotten leverage. It's just a domino effect from there based on a asymmetry of information. That's the illuminated message. They know and you don't. It's snowballed into knowing who sleeps with whom, how money works, technology patent control, publishing/media, etc. Then, to communicate, they abstract things into symbols. It's all just a giant tar baby of their own making, no leader, no manifest darkness. Just shadow and the absence of light. They call God Lucifer because that's the one thing they will never have: light. We call God by other names rather, out of thankfulness, out of choice. They think that if they get more secrets, move through the game, they will find a way out. Find enough control to free themselves…but that path is just deeper into the void. The only way out is the light…and the shame. They don't believe in forgiveness.

Another thread was discussing the recent retirement of the LAPD chief, and one post showed the BL pedo logos on the LA County Sheriff badge, and I found an article about someone who found out about this on 4chan. It goes into the history of the LA County badge, and who made it, pretty interesting.

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@ausbitbank/boy-lover-symbols-found-within-police-badges-collection-history

original thread of image: https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1970768.html#1971404

This Eugene Bischailuz guy apparently ran a boy's band… any accounts of members of this band anywhere?

Update: Eugene Bischailuz's father, Martin Bischailuz, had an interesting career and in fact was a mason, serving as a secretary for a chapter of the Royal Arch Masons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_V._Biscailuz

Also this LA Times article about Eugene Bischailuz calls Claire Phillips a murderer, but I couldn't find that about her, nor could I find a source saying Howard Hughes was in an Aero Squadron.

Also here's LASD almost shooting each other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=jDP8BRSEjrA

E Biscailuz apparently knew lots of Cali businessmen and aeronautics people though

http://thewestchesterpress.com/famous-people-who-met-my-grandfather-sheriff-eugene-w-biscailuz/

His IMDb, even had a bit of time on TV:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2757020/

>>1976060

I have this theory that the spiral is actually a Phoenician symbol and doesn't NECESSARILY mean boy lover.

i still prefer "Saturnian Death Cult"

Guess who was a Freemason?

Jean-Henri Dunant

May 8, 1828-October 30, 1910

Founder of the Red Cross, a founder of the Young Men’s Christian Association, and co-winner of the first Nobel Prize for Peace in 1901, he also worked to bring about the 1864 Geneva Convention.

In Un Souvenir de Solférino (1862) he proposed the formation in all countries of voluntary relief societies for the prevention and alleviation of suffering in war and peacetime, without distinction of race or creed.

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I stumbled upon this while digging into Frédéric Passy, founder of Inter Parliamentary Union. He shared the first Nobel Peace Prize with him. I'm sure that's just a coincidence!!

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/06/29/human-sacrifices-surround-ancient-mesopotamian-tomb.html

How does this fit in?

Looking for more around the house buried in stuff

>>1944489

All words, symbols, meanings, choices, everything has a positive and negative side to it. It is deliberate and ends make the direction,

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>>1944489

There are also certain ways that they are used like this photo they are locked as a process in order and they run from opposing sides from one another.

Well, this spiral seems to show up in many unexpected places.

Hmmm… makes one wonder.

>>2001832

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.ancientpages.com/2016/03/11/secrets-of-the-spiral-symbol-left-by-ancient-civilizations/amp/

A Hohokam petroglyph can be found in the Saguaro National Monument, AZ. and it is believed that the carved spiral represents the water symbol.

What’s the true connection between this carving and the Hokoham culture which occupied the region of present-day Tucson and Phoenix, AZ.?

The spiral, a magical symbol, was once carved on the rocks of Sahara, in the times when this region of the world was an immense green garden and it was very long time ago and the breast of Astarte, the ancient Phoenician great goddess of fertility, motherhood, and war (the counterpart of the Babylonian goddess Ishtar) is depicted with spirals.

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The FBI is either wrong or not quite right.

I really think that it doesn't mean boy lover exclusively. It's cart before the horse. I think the spiral signals Phoenicians Welcome here, who tend to practice in child trafficking but do much much more than that.

Freemasons isn't the key. They're the psychological army of the cabal. They're the clean up crew for local messes, just like the red cross for international messes. Whenever the cabal does a serious operation they'll be there to make sure the narrative goes on plot.

So Freemasonry is important to fully dig into. But also other cults. Who controls the Freemasons?

Don't believe me? Here's Y Head, Astarte

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/covenofthecatta.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/worship-goddess-astarte-coven-catta/amp/?source=images

I have no fucking clue what this guy is saying. Some coven that worships Astarte. Maybe might activate some almonds in some other brain

Many North American Indian cultures associate counterclockwise spirals (starting from the center) with the concept of rising, and the clockwise spiral with the concept of descending

Scientists estimate that the patterns, at least 20000 years old, are probably associated with solar symbols. But it can be also a pure guess, nothing more.

Maori spirals

“It was the era of the serpent!” we hear in the songs of the natives of mysterious ancient Arnhem Land in Northern Australia. …

“The serpent which was man, the serpent which flies in the skies…”

It’s about the Creation myth, the story of human race, never forgotten by the aborigines but also never recorded by them. It’s about the origin of the symbol of the spiral because in the beginning was the egg, the so-called cosmogonic egg mentioned in the religions and beliefs of many cultures worldwide.

This is required reading!

"Nimrod" created "freemasonry" to worship Astarte in secret.

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New initiates of Freemasonry are told to search for the, "lost Word" which is apparently the real name of God. In the third degree initiation they are given a clue and told to look, "to that bright and Morning Star". Now the Morning Star is Venus who was a Roman Goddess. Though the Morning Star was also once called Lucifer, the god of light which people who claim that Freemasons are Devil worshippers, latch onto. Yet long before the creation of Lucifer it was the Babylonian Goddess Astarte who was the Morning Star. Further back in time she was known as the "Queen of the Star" and the Ancient Great Mother. (Jesus was also called the Morning Star in Revelations in the New Testament.)

http://www.womanthouartgod.com/wmbondfreemasonry.php

>>2002207

So the Freemason were around during biblical times AND were visiting with the Olmecs/Toltecs?

>>2003418

Of course the Freemasons weren't called that back then. What we're trying to trace back here is the roots to the original seed. Freemasonry is merely one of it's more recent roots.

We're looking at the symbology, mythology, language, and actual history of groups that emerged from Sumeria and ancient Babylon in particular. That's where most of this nonsense started.

As for Olmecs/Toltecs? That's a mystery isn't it? But it's an interesting allegation that the Phoenicians may have visited America very early in the BC's, and either lived amongst those tribe, WERE those tribes, or inspired certain religious ritual in those tribes.

Just a total coincidence that there's such carvings in Phoenix AZ.

>The history of the city of Phoenix begins with Jack Swilling, a Confederate veteran of the Civil War. In 1867, while traveling through the Salt River Valley, he saw a potential for farming, much like the military had already cultivated further east, near Fort McDowell. He formed a small community that same year about four miles (six km) east of the present city. Lord Darrell Duppa, one of the original settlers in Swilling's party, suggested the name "Phoenix", as it described a city born from the ruins of a former civilization.[18]

Indeed, but perhaps that former civilisation has more to do with the Phoenicians than the Hohokam?

Gee, I wonder if this Duppa guy is a freemason…

>Duppa first came to Arizona via Prescott in 1863 where he was looking after family prospecting interests. Shortly thereafter he met Jack Swilling and the two became lifelong friends. The union seemed natural a Jack was a fellow prospector and businessman. Together these two frontiersmen were among the first residents of Phoenix AZ, and in fact, it was Lord Duppa who is responsible for the naming of our fair city. Whereas the history books have recorded that he simply proposed the name “Phoenix” in honor of the Hohokam civilization upon which our city was built, I believe there is much more to the story as Duppa was a well know, open high-level Freemason. He was known to carry a well-worn library with him everywhere he went including works by Ovid, Juvenal, and Homer in the original.

DING DING DING

>It is my thought that he came to Phoenix for an altogether different reason. A reason that runs deeper than simply pioneering a new town in a U.S. Territory. That he was involved in mining and prospecting is no secret. That he was a high ranking Freemason is no secret. That he was extremely well educated and came from modest nobility is also no secret. One can assume safely that his father and brothers were most likely Masons too. We know he traveled to Australia to oversee family business (mining and cattle) but then on California and finally Arizona. That a well educated, high ranking Freemason from a prominent English family wound up in an untapped frontier territory to found what would become one of the most influential cities in the United States today is not a coincidence.

http://thephoenixenigma.com/lord-darrell-duppa/

This guy doesn't go much deeper into why he thinks he named it Phoenix. But read this thread and you'll understand that the Phoenix is very important to them.

Much better article on the City of Phoenix. Nice flag bro.

Not sure where this fits into the puzzle but it seems that Phoenix itself is a Freemason stronghold

http://www.theorionzone.com/phoenix.htm

Perhaps it is no accident that most of the first citizens of Phoenix, including Duppa, were Freemasons.

John T. Alsap, for instance, was an attorney, judge, first territorial treasurer and first mayor of Phoenix. He also served as the first worshipful master of Arizona Lodge No. 2 as well as the first grand master of the Masonic Grand Lodge of Arizona. Even earlier, he had been first master of Arizona's first Masonic Lodge called Aztlan, located in Prescott, the first territorial capital. (A lot of "firsts" here.)

Aztlan is a Nahuatl word meaning "place of the heron." The Aztecs inhabited this mythical land after emerging from the Seven Caves located in the bowels of the earth. The heron is thought to be the naturalistic model for both the phoenix and the Bennu bird. In the Egyptian sun cult the Bennu was found perched atop an obelisk or sometimes upon a pyramid-shaped stone of meteoric iron called a Benben.

As a primo symbol of morning and new life, the Egyptian heron passes with flying colors (no pun intended). Likewise, the Bennu embodies the morning star Venus, appearing each dawn on the laurel tree in Heliopolis. This ornithological curiosity is also the incarnation of the heart (or ab) of Osiris and the soul (or ba) of Ra, two primary deities related by a simple palindrome. In addition, the heron and the Bennu were among a small number of animals, including the hawk and the serpent, in which a discarnate soul could inhabit for as long as it wished.

The hieroglyph for bennu means both "purple heron" (Ardea purpurea) and "palm tree." One denotation for the word "phoenix" is "purple-red"; consequently, the Phoenicians were known as "red men." Even today residents of Phoenix, Arizona are known as Phoenicians. The flag of the city is a stylized white phoenix on a purple background.

In a tome called Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 33rd-degree Mason Albert Pike states that the phoenix was a quintessential alchemical icon. In this regard J.E. Cirlot's Dictionary of Symbols remarks: "In alchemy, [the phoenix] corresponds to the colour red, to the regeneration of universal life and to the successful completion of a process." Some Arizona prospectors may indeed have been seeking spiritual gold.

Is it more than mere coincidence, then, that the phoenix, whose center of worship was the Pre-Dynastic City of the Sun, should lend its name to what would become the largest city in the Valley of the Sun? Is the name something more than the whim of some erudite inebriate misplaced in the hinterlands of America?

Aztlan is furthermore conceptualized as an island, and some speculate that the name even refers to the legendary continent of Atlantis. According to comparative linguistics scholar Gene D. Matlock in The Last Atlantis Book, the Aztlán of Nahuatl mythology was really called Aztatlán, referring to the village of Nayarit on Mexico's western coast. The Sanskrit word Asta apparently means "Place of the Setting Sun." Matlock suggests that this could actually be the westernmost boundary of what was once Atlantis.

Did Lord Duppa and Judge Alsap consciously try to merge Egyptian and Mesoamerican mythologies in the wilds of Arizona? Alsap's Bachelor of Law and Doctor of Medicine degrees prove that he was no dummy himself. Was the establishment of Aztlan (Masonic Lodge No.1) and Phoenix (Masonic Lodge No. 2) an attempt to symbolically merge Prescott (the heron) and Phoenix (the Bennu) in the same way they would soon actually be linked by stagecoach? Was it a clandestine Masonic intent that a new Atlantis (Aztlan) should rise in Arizona and a new Heliopolis (Phoenix) should be its heart?

Anyone got anything on these groups?

Odd Fellows

Knights of Pythias

Ancient Order of United Workmen

Grand Army of the Republic

Chosen Friends

Good Templars.

And here we have APACHE, and Skull and Bones, and our friends the Bush family!

Something about Phoenix stinks.

—

An even more insidious instance of power and wealth was Prescott Sheldon Bush (1895-1972). He was father of the forty-first U.S. president George Herbert Walker Bush and grandfather of the forty-third president George W. Bush. All three had been members of the notorious Skull and Bones Society, an elite, quasi-Masonic fraternity at Yale University.

Possibly the eldest Bush was named after his distant relative William Hickling Prescott, the historian noted above. In 1918 Bush allegedly purloined the skull of the famous Arizona Apache warrior Geronimo from its resting place at Fort Sill, Oklahoma and took it back to the secret society's meeting hall to be displayed in a glass case. The motive for this savage act is unclear, but it may have involved retribution for the 1869 killing of settler James G. Sheldon from Maine by Apaches at Camp Willow Grove west of Prescott. Sheldon, after whom a major street in Prescott was named, is perhaps a relative of Prescott Sheldon Bush, or he may merely be a namesake whom Bush was trying to avenge.

Bush was later elected as a U.S. senator from Connecticut. His son and grandson, of course, each became president. The Bush vacation home is located in Kennebunkport, Maine. Geronimo's skull has never been recovered.

And Phoenix remains an enigmatic talisman whose Masonic roots reach deep into the desert of the American Southwest.

Could it be? Could it really be?

G = Goddess

Rumor has it these men have a secret. You only learn it when you're really high up the ranks. At the very end of your journey you're taught that God = Lucifer. But that's misinformation. It's not wrong, but it's fake news. They worship the morning star, commonly mistaken for Lucifer. What planet represents the morning star?

ASTARTE

The big secret? What does the G mean? God? Or, perhaps Goddess?

Kinda makes you think about "Feminism" a whole lot different if you consider that it's being pushed by a cult that worships a child sacrificing demoness.

This guy completely explodes with esoteric autism. I feel like he's figured it out but I need to review it 15x to just grab pieces of what he's saying. Good shit.

>>2011433

Connecting the dots!!!

In the old thread, we've dug a bit on Enlil..Some think of him as the bad guy and Enki was the scientist god that created humanity. Thing is, upon reflection, that sounds an awful lot like the Demiurge of gnostic tradition.

Anyway. Interesting that Ishtar doesn't want a god that is intolerant to evil at her table.

Found this in the general thread, might be handy

>>2011433

ASARTE is still a later development…as transmutation to co-opt the greeks…go back further.

>>2011563

Enlil - God of wind, air, earth, and STORMS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EN_(cuneiform)#See_also

NIN.

NWO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIN_(cuneiform)

>>2011643

Didn't the Pope just claim to be more powerful than God or something…this would make sense.

>>2011643

Correct, Astarte is the Phoenician version. I tend to zero in on Phoenicia because it seems to be the place where the cult seemed to accelerate and expand.

This guy is ON POINT (he looks funny though)

>>2011643

Correct, Astarte is the Phoenician version. I tend to zero in on Phoenicia because it seems to be the place where the cult seemed to accelerate and expand.

This guy is ON POINT (he looks funny though)

>>2011643

Oops, 8ch lagged and double posted.

As for going back further, I'm going to finally explore the East.

This same guy, Lifting the Veil has a FASINATING series on tracing it all back to India.

I think it's impossible to argue against it..

So.. India to Sumer to Egypt? Hmmmm

This fits in with Q's clues about the NWO and the Nazi's who obsessively loved the Hindu swastika

>>2006307

Freemason symbols at ASU Tempe Campus Hayden Library

Hayden Library entrance

https://asunow.asu.edu/sites/default/files/haydenlibraryentpano01.jpg

Lantern/Temple

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/14359800.jpg

Upon visiting and entering the library students must descend down a flight of stairs, it is surrounded by unfinished pyramids, the two pillars (Boaz/Jachin), the three doorways, two abstract conceptualizations of sphinxes guarding the entrance, there is also what asu refers to as a "lantern but resembles a Temple of the classical age and it is lit up during night as a representation of becoming enlightened.

Also from a birds eye view one can see a Templar style cross.

It is quite amusing that the actual library itself is the building to the far left in the first image.

>>2016125

If everyone in this picture is a Freemason, kinda makes you see WW2 differently…

I find the flag at 5:25 interesting…

>>2016125

>Upon visiting and entering the library students must descend down a flight of stairs, it is surrounded by unfinished pyramids, the two pillars (Boaz/Jachin), the three doorways, two abstract conceptualizations of sphinxes guarding the entrance, there is also what asu refers to as a "lantern but resembles a Temple of the classical age and it is lit up during night as a representation of becoming enlightened.

It'd be interested in seeing that too!

This guy is OBVIOUSLY a hardcore Christian, but he does get into a wavelength if you can suffer through the first few minutes.

NOTABLES are my own

NIMROD 2268 - 1868BC

>>1941501, >>1946496, >>1952500

• Babylon, Bible, Nimrod,

>>1942064 - Nimrod Meaning

>>1945578 - Definition Babel

>>1946557 - Nimrod connected to Freemasons

>>1949306 - ==MOAR Nimrod --Masons==

>>1946667

DATE REQUIRED - Around 2600 to 2500 BC??? -

Nimrod is Gilgamesh 2600BC

>>1948148 - CONFIRMED >>1948205

PHOENICIANS'

>>1958756 - 1200BC TO 539BC - https:// www.preceden.com/timelines/210128-world-civilizations

>>1956421 - Phoenician = Irish??? >>1956424 >>1956426 SUMMARY W REPTILES? >>1956445

>>1970380 >>1970497>>1970536

• Phoenician migration to Europe. Celtic Druids. Ireland. Still exist today in Lebanon.

>>1969250

>>1969250

>>1969250 - TREE OF TAINT Phoenician Symbolism

'MASONS

>>2002207 - Free Masons one part of many

>>2003005 (((They))) worship Venus, morning star. >>2002258 Astarte aka Isis.

>>1984421 - Red Cross founder mason

>>1952706 - Freud was a suspected mason

>>2016642, >>2011231- Masons

Videos

>>1949712 - VIDEO 'Luxor, the source of light.' Documentary on hotel Casino in Las Vegas.

>>1961925 - VIDEO 'Saturn was the Sun' - who or what are the Gods/>>1961742

>>2011419 - VIDEO 'Eve the Eclipse Goddess - Freemasonry and Fallen Angeles'

>>1965106 - Serpent, Saturn, Cube

>>2012261 - VIDEO Esoteric Grammatica - Magik sigil

Other Notables

>>1949306 --Good Summary - related to Knights of Malta and Templar's

Symbolism

>>2011579 - Hebrew Alphabet - Phoenician Alphabet >>1732859 (previous)

>>1942253 - Bugs Y

>>1949408 - Keys / Phallus Worship.

>>1976060 - Swirl Logo digs >>2001832

>>2018402

My hero! Excellent summary, this will help anons get into the mix. If you're up for the challenge, the previous thread had 700 posts. Hard thing is that 8ch will likely delete many of those posts soon because these threads simply move slower than the general which bumps posts out… Hmm! Hence why I archived last thread, just in case.

ANYWAY! I HAD A BRAINWAVE

As this is a focused thread, I thought of a scientific way we could propose new information.

1. State your hypothesis, say, "Hypothesis: Nimrod lived 500 years, for real". Don't write ANYTHING but your idea in the H post.

2. Reply with a chunk of evidence with either SUPPORTING or NEGATING at the top. You can drop several exhibits, but try to keep each within a post to be similar within that post. Exhibits can be STRONG such as archeological images or DNA research to SPECULATIVE which would be someone's blog post or a biased person's book.

3. After an H post and several E posts, anons can then rt all relevant E's and summarize with their own Theory that connects the fonts with a conclusion. Ideally a T post will strongly try to prove a hypothesis (becomes fact) or discredit it (becomes fiction).

Of course, people can then debate the T post if they're inclined.

This way instead of just throwing mud on the wall, we can systematically identify facts worth digging more on and move past the more fringe red herrings.

What say you beautiful Anons?!

>>2024198

*connect the dots

I'll try one out. Of course, regular posts are still fine for random drops. This just serves as a way to collectively dig on an idea.

H: The Phoenicians helped shape the Christian Bible as we know it.

>>2024374

SUPPORTING, STRONG

Eleven bishops, but no chor-episcopi, were present at the council of Nicea from Phoenicia; namely, the bishops of Tyre, Ptolemais, Damascus, Sidon, Tripolis, Paneas, Berytus, Palmyra, Alasus2, Emesa, and Antaradus.3

https://phoenicia.org/church-of-phoenicia.html

>>2024374

NEGATING, STRONG

Over 300 bishops took part, and there was more than one council.

SPECULATIVE

11 out of 315 doesn't sound very influential.

SUGGESTION

Claim would be stronger if "alliances" with these bishops could be revealed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

>>2024374

NEGATING, STRONG

Phoenicia didn't exist anymore. Persia conquered them in 539 BC and then many other nations before the first council.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

SUGGESTION

To strengthen claim we would need to show the Phoenician people remained consistent even after subsequent invasions…

SUGGESTION

Perhaps it can be shown a migration pattern that brings the Phoenician "cabal" surviving, such as Carthage to Iberia etc

RE: Cushitic origin of Nimrod

You should probably find a map of Cush and start switching around Rs and Ls and see what happens.

Does Berbera make more sense as Balbaala?

>>2016642

Washington is using the opposite hand from the others. I wonder if that could be a sign of rebellion.

>>2026023

I believe you are correct. The inversion of their signs seems to be a sign of rebellion. Salvador Dali once painted the Masonic initiation with the opposite leg rolled up and the eyes uncovered.

>>2025801

>You should probably find a map of Cush and start switching around Rs and Ls and see what happens.

What? Why? Where you going with this idea?

>>2027441

>>2027399

Atlantis…

This is super interesting. All religions seem to have a theme that "they" will come back. I wouldn't be surprised if we ultimately conclude that this is why (((they))) want the NWO so that if they recreate Atlantis's world wide empire, they will come back to rule again.

This video is pretty funny. It seems to say that this all started because the Atlantis traders and missionaries said to the primitive people that they'll return, but then Atlantis exploded, and no one ever came back.. so we just made up myths and are still waiting.

Battle of the Titans an echo of the wars of Atlantis… I've always thought the myths of the gods are way too detailed with ridiculous shit to be just made up

Hypothesis:

The Eden story is a long lost echo from prehistory of when Modern Humans emerged. Most myths seem to indicate that we were a hybrid of the gods and animals on the earth. Animals already existed in abundance, which is why "Adam" had to name them all. Whether these same gods also made all the animals is another question, but the hypothesis is that Homo Sapiens were a tweaked version of either Neanderthal, or Cro-Magnon, or both, or something else entirely.

Significance if true:

We are not of this world, and this secret would almost certainly still be known and held by the elite mystery cults. No doubt we would want to figure out who our "parents" are, and reclaim our destiny in the stars.

Significance if false:

If we are wholey a product of natural evolution, then Religion itself is mostly fiction. The myths and fables would be just echos of mankind's adventures through the wilderness. Even if false, that doesn't mean people won't believe it's true and thus it could still motivate the elite mystery cults.

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

https://phys.org/news/2014-11-ancient-dna-europeans.html

Out of Africa

All modern humans (Russians and Australians included) are derived from an initial migration out of Africa. From the fossil record this seems to have occurred sometime around 100,000 years ago in the Near East, at Skhul and Qafzeh.

This initial Homo sapiens range expansion from Africa was initially thought to have been short-lived, with Homo neanderthalensis returning to South West Asia some 60,000 years ago.

Speculation

Eden would be 100,000 years ago. That's a long fucking time. What the hell have humans been doing for all that time? Look how much we've done in 300 years. Our collective memory seems to go back to the last Ice Age, and before we seem to have amnesia.

Regardless, 100k years is also "not that long" either, in the grand time scale that's a wink. So modern humans are a very recent animal on the scene.

Supporting

Strong

We now know that humans and Neanderthals mixed early in human history, sometime before 45,000 years ago.

Speculation

For 65k years, Sapiens fucked only Sapiens, but all the sudden, 45k years ago, we found some Neanderthal cuties and made some freaky babies.

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

http://www.rhesusnegative.net/staynegative/topics/where-is-rh-negative-blood-most-frequent/

WHERE IS RH NEGATIVE BLOOD MOST FREQUENT?

The highest percentage is found among some of the tribes still living in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco (40%). The next highest are the Basques, reported in different publications as having 25 and 32%, depending on location. The people of northwest Ireland, the Highland Scots and the western islanders of Norway all have between 16 and 25%, while the Lapps of Norway and Finland have between 5 and 7%. In addition, Cavalli-Sforza reports two small isolated populations of the same tribe, one in Chad and another in Senegal, each with about 25%. On his map, he shows an Rh-negative population in Chad, still living near the formerly enormous Chad lake. Only part of this lake still exists on the spot where the boundaries of Chad, Niger, Nigeria and Cameroon meet. These people may originally have been the sailors on Chad lake. Could it be that this is the original location of the Rh-negative population that then moved to Morocco and Algiers to become the Berbers? Or would it be the other way around?

Speculative

Could RH- really be the biggest clue and the reason why the elite obsess over bloodlines? This evidence would be supported by proof that the elite generally have this bloodtype as well.

I couldn't help but notice the "ATLAS Mountains" above. ATL………………………. Atlantis?

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

https://file.scirp.org/Html/19566.html

Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasoids) in Light of DNA Genealogy

(see image)

Speculation

This whole document is a trove of information. Would be great if other anons could pour through it. This is very recent research tracing back humanity based on DNA. Not sure what it means yet. Modern humans still emerged about 100k years ago, but there was a significant split 60k years ago, and this seems to be the origin of the Caucasians, or as they put it "Europeoids"

I'll admit I haven't read the whole paper yet, so perhaps they expand on this detail moreso but this graph really stood out to me. Could there have been more genetic manipulation then?

Wild Speculation

The gods tweaked us 100k years ago, left us to our own devices to let us acclimate to the new environment. Returned 40k years later to adjust our DNA further. Literally no evidence for this yet, just putting it out there.

>>2028569

(repost with picture!)

Supporting

Strong

https://file.scirp.org/Html/19566.html

Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasoids) in Light of DNA Genealogy

(see image)

Speculation

This whole document is a trove of information. Would be great if other anons could pour through it. This is very recent research tracing back humanity based on DNA. Not sure what it means yet. Modern humans still emerged about 100k years ago, but there was a significant split 60k years ago, and this seems to be the origin of the Caucasians, or as they put it "Europeoids"

I'll admit I haven't read the whole paper yet, so perhaps they expand on this detail moreso but this graph really stood out to me. Could there have been more genetic manipulation then?

Wild Speculation

The gods tweaked us 100k years ago, left us to our own devices to let us acclimate to the new environment. Returned 40k years later to adjust our DNA further. Literally no evidence for this yet, just putting it out there.

>>2027811

This is correct. Rs and Ls are linguistically the same letter.

Think about Asians who can only say one or the other.

Especially with ancient languages, you should try interchanging them and see what it looks like.

It can be enlightening.

>>2029522

Ah I getcha… Wasn't there some super expensive book that promotes this theory?

>>2018402

ftfy

>>1970380, >>1970497, >>1970536

>

>- Phoenician migration to Europe. Celtic Druids. Ireland. Still exist today in Lebanon.

Love this bread so much~

>>2029894

Probably, but it's pretty standard linguistics theory that lots of languages don't differentiate L and R, so if you see an L, you can replace it with an R and see if it makes more sense to you or matches up with something written in another language.

The ancient world is a multi-lingual environment, and you have to keep in mind that the same word rendered in a different alphabet or language, may look different.

There's all the Grimm's Law and other theories of sound shift you can learn too.

It's more fluid than that, really, but you can assume in any language that a T and a D might be interchangeable. Th may or may not exist. And a C, K, or H, might be the same sound. Geneaologists run into this with immigrants who change their names over time.

Historians need to be always aware of it. Clovis=Louis=Ludwig=Choldwig, etc.

Salman=Suleiman=Solomon=Schlomo, etc.

>>2030651

Oh, and don't forget that the Semitic language alphabets and some others don't use vowels, so only the consonants really matter.

>>1970380

Thanks. This is an interesting source.

I've seen other pieces about the similarities between Irish and Berber languages, but this one is new to me.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the true origin of Rome? That Romulus/Remes story is so weird and stupid.

I'm curious about them because they ended up being the main rivals of the Carthaginians after Persia wiped out Phoenicia.

I can't believe that these super rich, super smart people (The Carthaginians/Phoenicians/Canaanites) just disappeared. I think some must have actually integrated into Rome, and possibly in very high positions. Possibly even the highest positions. This somehow sets the stage for Europe

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

https://www.quora.com/When-and-why-did-we-evolve-RH-negative-blood

When and why did we evolve RH negative blood?

2 Answers

Pippi M. R. Groving

Pippi M. R. Groving, I teach biomedical courses at BA level

Answered Sep 13, 2016 · Author has 8.2k answers and 9m answer views

As the RhD variations positive and negative are spread to all popularions outside Africa, the variation probably evolved 100.000 years ago.

It is theorised that when the Homo sapiens left Africa those 100.000 years ago, it was a rather small* group and that group had about a thousand years of interbreeding before wandering on to the rest of the world. And that is why the AB0 and Rhesus blood configuration are in all populations that are not native to Africa.

As for why it happened… who knows?

It is most likely just a random mutation. The Rhesus gene and resulting protein works the same way no matter whether you are positive or negative. The main difference is how the immune system reacts to the protein.

*small group as in less than 10.000 people.

Speculation

Not sure what this guy's sources are. But it's an interesting thought. Instead of RH- being a direct "transfusion" from the gods, lets say it did evolve naturally. But, it evolved because early Sapiens were fucking their brothers and sisters too much. The reason this is weird, is because you'd think all "new" species would have this exact same problem, therefore RH- would be common.

jews

I'm pretty busy for the holiday but if you're not look into:

Ebbe Waaq/al-waaqin in Quran 13:37

Gad/Gadaa

Abil and Qabil

Seb/sab/sheb/shab

Napata/Neptune

Punt/Ptah

Wajet/Ma'at

Was (Egyptian)/Was(Somali)/Vis(Latin)

Uh when I'm back I have some background in both Cushitic and Semitic languages and can sort of connect more dots if you want. Everyone forgets it's way easier to cross Bab el Mandeb than go down the Nile. Especially when there was nothing on the Nile yet. If any of you are pro at Greek/Latin we'll probably have a lot of fun.

>>2028788

RH- correlates with haplogroup R1b. Pretty sure Atlantis is somehow wrapped up in all this. Also check the oldest human bones found in NA. White man was in America before the Asians, and according to the Indian legends there was something before them. So we have Rh- correlating a lot with patrilineal gene r1b, a group of people spanning both sides of the Atlantic. I wonder how high or low the prevalence of rh- is with r1b's cousins r1a. Here's what I think. R1b is descended from Cain whose mother was Lilith(not human). These mythologies must have started from something real and got bent and changed along the way. We should look into similarities between ancient people's mythologies.

>>2038414

Answers will come as dictated by God.

Saw this on the general

>>2038463

Jesus christ. That's a helufa dump there, will take me a bit to look through it.

As for comparative mythology, yes there will definitely be some merit there. I've included a good example of this.

I can't decide if it makes sense to think of gods as echos of former heroes in our long forgotten past, or as mere personifications of nature. Or both?? I think personifications make the most sense. The interesting thing is that we can trace the same culture going through time via this comparison.

The weirdest thing is that it seems that the Pantheon has been consistent throughout all cultures and all ages. Even Catholicism has preserved the Pantheon but turned the gods into saints instead. Why is this Pantheon so important to the elite? Can we just not think of better ideas so we just keep recycling them over and over again? Or are they actually VERY important?

>>2038496

THOTH!!!

Thoth was the God of Knowledge, the Moon, Measurement, Wisdom, the Alphabet, Records, Thought, Intelligence, Meditation, the Mind, Logic, Reason, Reading, Hieroglyphics, Magic, Secrets, Scribes, and Writing. He also went by other names in the myths of ancient civilizations. He pretty much play a major God they all of them - same soul - different identities.

Thoth or Djehuti was one of the deities of the Egyptian pantheon. In art, he was often depicted as a man with the head of an ibis or a baboon, animals sacred to him. His feminine counterpart was Seshat, and his wife was Ma'at.

Thoth's chief temple was located in the city of Khmun, later called Hermopolis Magna during the Greco-Roman era (in reference to him through the Greeks' interpretation that he was the same as their god Hermes) and Shmounein in the Coptic rendering, and was partially destroyed in 1826. In that city, he led the Ogdoad pantheon of eight principal deities. He also had numerous shrines within the cities of Abydos, Hesert, Urit, Per-Ab, Rekhui, Ta-ur, Sep, Hat, Pselket, Talmsis, Antcha-Mutet, Bah, Amen-heri-ab, and Ta-kens.

Thoth played many vital and prominent roles in Egyptian mythology, such as maintaining the universe, and being one of the two deities (the other being Ma'at) who stood on either side of Ra's boat. In the later history of ancient Egypt, Thoth became heavily associated with the arbitration of godly disputes, the arts of magic, the system of writing, the development of science, and the judgment of the dead.

http://www.crystalinks.com/thoth.html

>>2033485

Zionists.

STFU, troll.

>>2043390

>>2027977

>It seems to say that this all started because the Atlantis traders and missionaries said to the primitive people that they'll return, but then Atlantis exploded, and no one ever came back.. so we just made up myths and are still waiting.

Assuming that Atlantis was a real place with real people; it would explain all the really strange technology you read about in ancient texts.

Physical evidence of ancient atomic wars has been found at various locations. The biggest "natural" deposit of silica glass on earth is in the Sahara desert. An astrochemist, Christian Koeberl claims the only thing hot enough to create this natural formation would've been a meteorite, yet there is no evidence of an impact crater in satellite images.

The Ancient Egyptians would collect silica glass for jewelry and called it the "Rock of God". Egyptians believed the silica glass came from the Pyramid Wars between Horus and Seth.

King Tut's glass scarab was made of this same silica glass and when tested the fission track dates of the glass indicate that it is at least 28 million years old. It is considered a scientific enigma.

>>2055809

Only thing I can't reconcile with the Ancient Technology idea is how on earth did we go from flying machines to not knowing how to make a car for millennia?

>>2038463

I seriously had a weird dream last night. I was at Lake Titicaca and there was some sort of castle on an island. I don't remember much else. The weird thing is that absolutely none of my diggest has ever mentioned this place, and until now I only thought of it as a nice tourist trap. Turns out it's literally the claimed origin of the Inca civilization with tons of mythology surrounding it.

Look at the symbolism on Manco Capac! Of course, this was painted by a westerner who may have overlapped some of our stuff on to him.. but.. wow.. The Bull/Horns, the swirl…

The Myths of Inti and Manco Capac on the Isla Del Sol

There are a number of islands on Lake Titicaca, some of which play an important part in Inca mythology. The Isla del Sol (Sun Island), for instance, is believed to be the home of the Incan sun god, Inti. Additionally, this is the birth place, according to one Incan legend, of Manco Capac, the founder of the first Incan dynasty. In this legend, Manco Capac was brought up from the depths of Lake Titicaca by Inti. Manco Capac and his siblings were sent up to the earth by the sun god, and emerged from the cave of Pacaritambo (or the waters of Lake Titicaca, according to another version of the legend). Manco Capac was carrying a golden staff, and was instructed to build a Temple of the Sun on the spot where the staff sank into the earth. Using underground caves, the siblings travelled to Cusco, where they built a temple in honor of their father, Inti.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-ancient-places-americas/ancient-ruins-and-beneath-sacred-lake-titicaca-004012

>>2057380

I just had a silly thought. Let's for a second pretend all the mythology is 'literally' true. Mythology around the world seems to be identical for all intents and purposes. And one common theme is the notion of the Storm God fighting the Sea God.

So, now, what side is Q on?

Zeus vs Typhoon

Calm before [the STORM] = Zeus

The Phoenicians were the "Sea People" = Typhoon

Are we about to witness a new battle of the gods?

(I'm not saying I actually believe this, just throwing it out there)

>>2055958

Well if you think about it, that's not such a crazy reality. In our text book history, every time a civilization experiences a cataclysm, we lose decades or centuries of technological advancement. Ancient Rome had running water while Medieval London used shit buckets. Preservation of knowledge is difficult in times of societal collapse.

I think I just got a new lead on the Carthaginians (aka Phoenicians aka Canaanites)

They didn't really have their own army!

They were merchants through and through. Anyone could hold a place in government, as long as you had the wealth to be worthy of it. Lose your money? Lose your power. They were very money centrist. So much so, that they eventually did something rather radical on such a large scale. Instead of having their own citizens die in war, they're rich.. so they got others to die for them!

THEIR ARMY WAS HUGELY MERCENARY!!

And they had an edge in this game because of their trade routes they were able to scout the best fighters from the known world to fight for them.

Why is this important? Well, I feel like this is where the "Banksters" came from. Think about it, think all the way forward to the big wars such as Napolean and the World Wars. The Banksters played both sides right? Well, another way of looking at is they 'owned' both sides. They were secretly mercenaries to the cabal.

After their final defeat to the Romans do you think these uber rich folks just retired? No. They learned some tricks along the way. They probably realised running a nation is a lot of bother, instead they could focus on power alone and answer to no nation and never fear being conquered since they'd instead spread out and be everywhere.

Thoughts?!?

From Wikipedia:

Growth of Mercenary Forces

After the Punic defeats during the Sicilian Wars of the 5th and 4th centuries BC, in which large numbers of Carthaginian citizens had been killed, the Carthaginian Senate set about enlisting mercenary forces in order to replenish the ranks of the Carthaginian army, an extraordinary technique that Carthage had employed since the late 6th century BC. Beginning with the reign of King Hanno the Navigator in 480 BC, Carthage regularly began employing Iberian infantry and Balearic slingers to support Carthaginian spearmen in Sicily, a practice that would continue until the destruction of Carthage in 146 BC.

Punic recruiters toured all corners of the Mediterranean, attracting mercenaries and fugitive slaves. Gauls, Ligurians, Numidians, Libyans, Greeks, and especially Iberians. were extensively recruited by Carthage. Troops were recruited both by simple monetary contracts and through partnerships established through treaties with other states and tribes.

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Oh, their rulers were called "Suffets" which basically translates to "Judges". What other culture didn't have kings but preferred to call their rulers Judges? Interesting….

>>2063125

I usally find the military side of things a bit boring. Just one battle after another. But I find it no coincidence that the Phoenicians hold the record, TO THIS DAY, for the bloodiest battle in history!!

Relevant to the idea of Blood Libel or sacrifice.

Read this:

Much has been said about the Battle of Cannae – an encounter which had resulted in the highest loss of human life in a single day in any battle recorded in history. In terms of sheer numbers, the bloody day probably accounted for over 40,000 Roman deaths (the figure is put at 55,000 by Livy; and 70,000 by Polybius), which equated to about 80 percent of the Roman army fielded in the battle! To put things into perspective, the worst day in the history of the British Army usually pertains to the first day of the Battle of the Somme in 1916, where they lost around 20,000 men. But the male population of Rome in 216 BC is estimated to be around 400,000 (thus the Battle of Cannae possibly took away around 1/10th – 1/20th of Roman male population, considering there were also allied Italic casualties), while Britain had a population of around 41,608,791 (41 million) at the beginning of 1901, with half of them expected to be males. However objectively beyond just baleful numbers, the encounter in itself was a set-piece triumph for Hannibal, with the general’s strategy even dictating the very choice of the battlefield itself.

Cannae and its ruined citadel had long been used as a food magazine by the Romans with provisions for grain oil and other crucial items. Hannibal Barca knew about this supply scope, and willfully made his army march towards Cannae (in June, 216 BC) for over 120 km from their original winter quarters at Gerunium. Interestingly, the camp of the Carthaginian army was just set above verdant agricultural fields with ripening crops – which could provide easy foraging to the snugly quartered troops. In other words, the chosen location and its advantages surely drummed up the morale of these soldiers, while strengthening their resolve and dedication for their commander. However at the same time, there was a more cunning side to Hannibal’s choice of Cannae – (possibly) unbeknownst to his army. That is because Rome was still dependent on the grain grown in native Italy (while seeking alternative corn supplies from Sicily), especially from the region of Apulia where Cannae was located. Simply put, the choice of Cannae was an intentional ploy to provoke the Romans to give direct battle – as opposed to the Fabian strategy of delaying. This once again alludes to Hannibal’s confidence and craftiness when it came to military affairs and logistics.

>>2063400

Strange. Hannibal probably could have swept through Rome but instead his army fell apart not so long after winning this epic battle. He went on to be a (really successful) Statesman in Carthage and literally Made Carthage Great Again. He brought the wealth back and was even to raise the war debt owed to Rome (expected to take 40 years) and offer them as a single lump sum (which was refused!!!).

Anyway, this pretty much marks the slow decline of Carthage from this point on. Could it be that Hannibal, the god damn military GENIUS that he was, thought of a better more ambitious plan for his people? Retool and spread out to the world. Blend into the world, and climb the ranks of power everywhere at once, and you will conquer the world without an army. Just spitballin' here.

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Interestingly enough, it was the Battle of Cannae that was ultimately responsible for Hannibal’s unceremonious call back to Carthage (in 203 BC) after 15 years of remaining undefeated on Italian soil. In the post years of the Cannae incident, the Roman leadership came to a realization that they couldn’t counter Hannibal’s genius in conventional warfare. As a result, they reverted to the defensive Fabian strategy (named after Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus) which basically entailed a guerrilla-warfare type scenario with internal lines of communications. In other words, the Romans rigorously avoided open-field battles, while resorting to hit-and-run and harassing tactics that afflicted the stretched Carthaginian lines and patrols who were regularly dispatched for foraging.

This predicament was further exacerbated when Hannibal Barca had to provide garrisons for the newly defected cities in south of Italy. This took away much of his precious manpower that had already deteriorated due to previous battles, skirmishes and attrition. Moreover, much of Hannibal’s army was composed of mercenaries of different nationalities – and they were neither suited to siege warfare or garrison duty, and thus many of them started to desert en masse. So slowly but surely, the once grand expeditionary force that made its way to Italy via the Alps, was now only a shadow of itself. By 203 BC, even chances of arriving reinforcements from Carthage or Iberia went slim, with both of his brothers being soundly defeated. And ultimately, Hannibal himself had to answer the desperate call from his own Barcid war party, which was one of the two major political factions of Carthage. So the general and some of his trusted mercenaries finally decided to set sail for Africa. And thus ended the epoch of Hannibal Barca in Italy – paradoxically brought on by his incredible victory at the Battle of Cannae.

So there's this little village in NY called Carthage.

Ironic, isn't it? It was almost completely burned to the ground, but rose from the ashes. Twice. Once in 1861 and again in 1884.

Of course, there's a Freemasonry lodge there. Started up in 1850, and were most happy to help out lighting the fire– I mean, rebuilding after the fire

http://www.omdhs.syracusemasons.com/sites/default/files/history/Lodge_Histories_-_1908_Proceedings.pdf

CARTHAGE LODGE, NO. 158, CARTHAGE, N. Y.

WARRANT: The warrant in possession of the Lodge is dated June 7, 1850.

The name or number has never been changed.

MINUTES: Intact.

The Lodge was organized in the early part of the year 1850. The charter members were:

Eli West. Joseph Crowner.

Kellogg E. Parker. William F. Strong.

William A. Peck. Reuben Rice.

Suel Gilbert.

The Lodge was constituted June 24, 1850, in the Baptist Church at Carthage, by R.'. W.'. ALONSON SKINNER, and the following

officers were installed:

ELI WEST, Master.

JOSEPH CROWNER, Senior Warden.

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KELLOGG E. PARKER, Junior Warden.

WILLIAM F. STRONG. Treasurer.

WILLIAM A. PECK, Secretary.

REUBEN RICE, Senior Deacon.

SUEL GILBERT, Junior Deacon.

The first meeting place was in a wooden structure on the bank of the Black River, where it remained for several years, when a

loft in the upper part of the Walsh and Myers block was secured, which the members of the Lodge arranged and fitted up in a

convenient form for the use of the Lodge, the members volunteering to do the necessary work, much of which was done by lamp

light. In 1896 it moved into the Strickland Building, where it still has its quarters.

In the autumn of 1884 a disastrous fire destroyed the greater part of the village of Carthage. Fully two-thirds of the inhabitants

were without shelter, their homes having been destroyed and the industries of the village were paralyzed.

On November 29th a circular letter was issued by M.’. W.'. WILLIAM A. BRODIE, calling attention to this calamity and soliciting aid

for the sufferers. He said in the letter: "Among the sufferers twenty-eight brethren of our Masonic household, members of Carthage

Lodge, No. 158, together with their families, have been made homeless." In response to his appeal the sum of $4.377.37 was

contributed toward the relief of these unfortunate brethren and their families.

The Lodge was represented at the laying of the corner-stone and dedication of the Home at Utica.

Several of the organizers of Carthage Lodge were members of Champion Lodge, No. 29, of Champion. This Lodge was

warranted as No. 146. December 3. 1806. It continued to work until June 5, 1834, when its warrant was declared forfeited by the

Grand Lodge.

At a session of the Grand Lodge held December 7, 1836, W.'. WILLIAM H. SHUMWAY, a Grand Visitor, reported that on November

21, 1835, he had revived the Lodge, held an election and installed its officers.

It then became No. 29 and continued to meet regularly for several years. On June 3, 1862, the Grand Secretary reported that

this Lodge had surrendered its warrant.

MEN IN PUBLIC LIFE.

A. E. Kilby. Assemblyman. James A. Cutterson. Assemblyman.

C. J. Clark, Assemblyman.

MASTERS.

1. Eli West.

2. Eli West.

3. Eli West.

4. Eli West.

5. Joseph Crowner.

6. Joseph Crowner.

7. Eli West.

8. Eli West.

9. William A. Peck.

10. Eli West.

11. N. D. Ferguson.

12. N. D. Ferguson.

13. Joseph Crowner.

14. Charles T. Hammond.

15. Charles T. Hammond.

16. Charles T. Hammond.

17. George M. Brown.

18. George M. Brown.

19. George M. Brown.

20. Henry J. Kellogg.

21. Henry J. Kellogg.

22. L. G. Peck.

23. James Pringle.

24. James Pringle.

25. James Pringle.

26. James Pringle.

27. James Pringle.

28. James Pringle.

29. James Pringle.

30. James Pringle.

31. James Pringle.

32. Orrin S. Lewis.

33. Orrin S. Lewis.

34. John L. Norton.

35. John L. Norton.

36. Lloyd G. Chase.

37. Lloyd G. Chase.

38. Lloyd G. Chase.

39. Hiram Houghton.

40. William C. Sherwood.

41. James Pringle.

42. Harris J. Radin.

43. Harris J. Radin.

44. L. D. Thompson.

45. L. D. Thompson.

46. Leander E. Bossuot.

47. Frank A. Dexter.

48. Charles F. Adams.

49. Charles F. Adams.

50. John T. Wood.

51. James A. Cutterson.

52. Fred M. Wing.

53. Fred M. Wing.

54. Charles W. Shaffer.

55. Charles W. Shaffer.

56. Arthur W. Thompson.

57. Arthur W. Thompson.

58. Charles W. Shaffe

The Phoenicians, despite their extensive trading empires, began minting coins relatively late. Siculo-Carthaginian currency began to be issued in the mid-4th century and probably preceded Phoenicia's own Tyrian shekels, which developed c. 300 bc.[2] Carthage was also the first known state to utilize lightweight, flexible leather promissory notes.[3][4][5]

Carthage issued ½-shekel,[6] shekel (7.20 g),[7] 1⅔-shekel, double shekel, and triple shekel coins.[8] 5-shekel pieces were issued in Sicily.[9] It used gold, silver, electrum, bronze, and billon for its coins but did not make great use of them in North Africa. Instead, many of the surviving caches come from Carthage's holdings on Sardinia and Sicily.[10] On Sardinia, a substantial amount of bronze coinage was struck during the First Punic War and again during the attempt to recover the island amid the Second.[11] A large mass of bronze and silver coins and smaller issues in gold and electrum were struck on Sicily under administrators described as mhsbm.[12] The Siculo-Carthaginian issues of the First Punic War include one series featuring Melqart ("Hercules") obverse and a horse's head reverse.[9] More commonly, Carthaginian currency featured a female head identified as the goddess Tanit.[13] One issue of bronze coins in two denominations—Tanit the god of sun on the obverse and a galloping horse reverse—was coined at Kerkouane on Cape Bon during the resistance to the invasion of Regulus amid the First Punic War.[10] A great deal of highly debased coins were struck at the end of the First Punic War, however, to deal with the empire's revolting mercenaries.[14]

Between the First and Second Punic Wars, Carthage only issued bronze coins in North Africa,[14] although the Barcids issued gold and silver coins in Spain[7] bearing the head of Melqart obverse and a horse and palm tree reverse.[15] The gold coins were produced at a weight of 7.50 g, reflecting a value of 12 silver shekels each at a bullion exchange rate of 1:11⅓.[7] Spanish expansion and Roman plunder permitted issues in precious metals during the Second Punic War,[14] including two large silver issues for use on Sicily.[16] One set of half-shekels featured a diademed male head obverse and elephant reverse; another featured a male head with grain wreath obverse and a galloping horse reverse.[17] By the war's end, bronze was again being used[14] and, following the war, debased silver.[18] The shekel also decreased in Barcid areas from 7.2 to around 7.0 g over the course of the war.[7] Bronze coins similarly varied in weight between 8 and 10 g owing to varying exchange rates between it and the silver currency.[7] The last issues before the Third Punic War attest to the city's revitalization, as they are again pure silver[18] with a serrate edge.[19]

Numidian coins also circulated but were entirely of bronze.[20]

Recently, it has been proposed that the Germanic penny, penning, Pfennig, &c. may derive from an early borrowing of Punic pn (Pane or Pene, "Face"), as the face of Carthaginian fertility goddess Tanit was represented on nearly all Carthaginian currency.[21] The theory is, however, still disputed. Similarly, the supposed discovery of a cache of Carthaginian coins on Corvo in 1749 is the basis for supposing that the Carthaginians reached the Azores, but remains contentious.[22]

I bet we're all thinking that the Templar's were the first smart bankers who issues promisary notes for gold that can be 'cashed' elsewhere?

Nope. Of all fucking people, the Carthaginians/Phoenicians invented this!!

https://books.google.ca/books?id=IW4vAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA10&lpg=RA1-PA10&dq=carthaginian+parchment+money&source=bl&ots=R1FY0iuiEw&sig=VpFVxkqGa2blPKotlhyBjm56w0w&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Don't fuck with Astarte (aka Aphrodite)

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D105

From there they marched against Egypt: and when they were in the part of Syria called Palestine, Psammetichus king of Egypt met them and persuaded them with gifts and prayers to come no further. [2] So they turned back, and when they came on their way to the city of Ascalon in Syria, most of the Scythians passed by and did no harm, but a few remained behind and plundered the temple of Heavenly Aphrodite.1 [3] This temple, I discover from making inquiry, is the oldest of all the temples of the goddess, for the temple in Cyprus was founded from it, as the Cyprians themselves say; and the temple on Cythera was founded by Phoenicians from this same land of Syria. [4] But the Scythians who pillaged the temple, and all their descendants after them, were afflicted by the goddess with the “female” sickness: and so the Scythians say that they are afflicted as a consequence of this and also that those who visit Scythian territory see among them the condition of those whom the Scythians call “Hermaphrodites”.2

1 The great goddess (Mother of Heaven and Earth) worshipped by Eastern nations under various names—Mylitta in Assyria, Astarte in Phoenicia: called Heavenly Aphrodite, or simply the Heavenly One, by the Greeks.

2 The derivation of this word is uncertain; it is agreed that the disease was a loss of virility. In Hdt. 4.67 ἐναρής = ἀνδρόγονος.

>>2065066

good find

>>2063620

>Strange. Hannibal probably could have swept through Rome but instead his army fell apart not so long after winning this epic battle.

I assure you that is not the case. Hannibal was up against a man considered to be the greatest general in history; Scipio Africanus.

Scipio is very important to know if you're looking into the Punic wars. He changed the playing field in battle completely.

"His main achievements were during the Second Punic War where he is best known for defeating Hannibal at the final battle at Zama in 202 BC, one of the feats that earned him the agnomen Africanus. Prior to this battle (near modern Zama, Tunisia) Scipio also conquered Carthage's holdings in the Iberian peninsula, culminating in the Battle of Ilipa (near Alcalá del Río, Spain) in 206 BC against Hannibal's brother Mago Barca."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipio_Africanus

>Could it be that Hannibal, the god damn military GENIUS that he was, thought of a better more ambitious plan for his people?

He was forced back to the drawing board by a superior military tactician. I'm sure his plans weren't to retire and be a statesman. A military genius knows when to change strategies.

As they say, "When in Rome…".

And look what happened to Scipio Africanus in his later years;

"In his later years, he was tried for bribery and treason, unfounded charges that were only meant to discredit him before the public. Disillusioned by the ingratitude of his peers, Scipio left Rome and withdrew from public life."

That's no way to treat a man considered THE greatest general in history. Do you think maybe Hannibal was out for revenge over the only man that ever defeated him on the battlefield? Maybe…just maybe…

Do you find it strange that TO THIS VERY DAY Scipio's role in the downfall of Hannibal is still downplayed? Almost as if Hannibal did win in the end…

>>1941837

Despite the fact Raiders of the Lost Ark may have put the Ark of the Covenant into the realm of fantasy, I don't think it is fantasy.

If it's not a larp then what is it?

What is it's purpose?

Will it be needed in the future?

The Ark of the Covenant also translated as the mercy seat is a gold covered wooden box 51"x31"x31" that God commanded Moses to build.

It housed manna - the food the Lord provided every morning collected by the Israelites in the 40yr wilderness trek - the Ten Commandment tablets and the top of Aaron's rod.

It's description is given in the OT Bible.

An acacia wood box covered in hammered gold sheet metal 'overlaid' with cherubim (angels) on either side with outstretched wings.

Most images have the angels with outstretched wings and look as though they were made from castings of gold although it doesn't mention castings only that it was 'overlaid' with gold. Because of that I believe the Cherubim angels were shaped out of the sheet metal not cast.

Between the cherubim is where the Lord would speak from. The Israelites would carry it with poles never touching it as commanded ahead of them and into battle. Later it was placed in the inner sanctum of the temple behind a large thick cloth curtain where the priest's would enter once a year sprinkling animal blood on it to cover the sins of the nation of Israel.

At some point the Ark went missing from Israel and any mention of it in the OT ceased.

During Jesus' time it was apparently not present in the temple which begs an interesting question - how did Israel perform its mandatory yearly blood sprinkle onto the mercy seat?

What was the Ark of the Covenant in reality? I believe it's purpose is hidden in the translation mercy seat.

How does a box get translated mercy seat it's not even close to a normal translation of a box in any language? What does 'mercy seat' mean?

I think there is a future use for the Ark of the Covenant important to everyone especially dark forces such as Luciferians and other Satanists.

The Bible says at Jesus' return he will assume His rightful place on the throne.

I believe the Ark of the Covenant is a chair, the throne of God and the reason for the odd translation Mercy Seat and I think Satanists believe if they have possession of it they can prevent the return of Christ and if not the return then maybe they can block his ascension to His throne.

When you're desperate you would probably grasp at any hope however unlikely.

I wonder if all the searching is to find the Ark of the Covenant to prevent the King from assuming the throne.

>>2076513

Meant to mention the blood was sprinkled on the throne as an offering to cover the nation of Israel - an image of the future Christ on His throne also an offering only an improved offering for All Nations of the Earth.

>>2076513

After my exhaustivce research……

Mercy seat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy_seat

According to the Hebrew Bible, the mercy seat (Hebrew: הַכַּפֹּֽרֶת‬ ha-kappōreṯ) was the gold lid with two cherubim beaten out of the ends of it to cover and create the space into which God would appear. This gold cover was placed on the Ark of the Covenant. This was connected with the rituals of the Day of Atonement; where God did appear. The term also appears in later Jewish sources, and twice in the New Testament, from where it has significance in Christian theology.

The English phrase mercy seat is a translation of the Hebrew kapporeth (in the Masoretic text) and Greek ἱλαστήριον (hilasterion; in the Septuagint) by William Tyndale, influenced by the German word Gnadenstuhl as in the Luther Bible; Gnadenstuhl, literally meaning seat of grace.

The Babylonian Conquest and aftermath

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#Possible_locations

In 587 BC, the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and Solomon's Temple. There is no record of what became of the Ark in the Books of Kings and Chronicles. An ancient Greek version of the biblical third Book of Ezra, 1 Esdras, suggests that Babylonians took away the vessels of the ark of God, but does not mention taking away the Ark:[58]

…… And they took all the holy vessels of the Lord, both great and small, with the vessels of the ark of God, and the king's treasures, and carried them away into Babylon

In Rabbinic literature, the final disposition of the Ark is disputed. Some rabbis hold that it must have been carried off to Babylon, while others hold that it must have been hidden lest it be carried off into Babylon and never brought back.[59] A late 2nd-century rabbinic work known as the Tosefta states the opinions of these rabbis that Josiah, the king of Judah, stored away the Ark, along with the jar of manna, and a jar containing the holy anointing oil, the rod of Aaron which budded and a chest given to Israel by the Philistines.[60] This was said to have been done in order to prevent their being carried off into Babylon as had already happened to the other vessels. Rabbi Eliezer and Rabbi Shimon, in the same rabbinic work, state that the Ark was, in fact, taken into Babylon. Rabbi Yehudah, dissenting, says that the Ark was stored away in its own place, meaning, somewhere on the Temple Mount.

But we all know:

The Nazis take Jones and Marion to an area where the Ark will be opened and tie them to a post to observe. Belloq, dressed as an Israelite high priest, performs a ceremonial opening of the Ark and finds it full of sand. Angelic specters emerge from the Ark, destroying the equipment the Nazis are using to film the opening, and Jones tells Marion to close her eyes and not look. Belloq and the others look on in astonishment as the apparitions are suddenly revealed to be angels of death. A vortex of flame forms above the Ark and shoots bolts of fiery energy into the gathered Nazi soldiers, killing them all. Belloq, Toht and Dietrich all scream in terror as the Ark turns its fury on them: Dietrich's head shrivels up, Toht's face is melted off his skull and Belloq's head explodes. Flames then engulf the remains of the doomed assembly, save for Jones and Marion, and the pillar of fire rises into the sky. The Ark's lid is blasted high into the air before dropping back down onto the Ark and sealing it. Jones and Marion find their ropes burned off and embrace.

In Washington, D.C., the Army Intelligence agents inform Jones and Marcus Brody that the Ark is someplace safe and will be studied by "top men". The Ark is then shown being stored in a giant government warehouse among countless similar crates.

We have it all

>>1964643

Many people forget this……….In the book, the action took place around Saturn, the book and the film changed this, I believe as an advert and to drum up interest for the Pioneer 10 mission. Pioneer 11 did fly past Saturn but it was nothing special. NASA and Kubrick worked together to move emphasis to Jupiter.

Could it be possible that the infamous pedo swirl might relate to the swastika?

>>2083839

It also resembles the "key grecko". It can be found everywhere in the world.It is old. It doesn't necessarily have the four directions upon it, or Arms. East West North and South. It is found with-in ancient temple design.As in the Most Holy of Holy room will be the center of the square. With dimensions measured perfectly. I believe it would be one of the Greek temples. However it can be found in Hopi history, China, Greese, Rome, Everywhere.

>>2083839

I believe that is a good start. Like I was saying about the arms on the design it represents the four directions and that is what the Nazi's goal was.It was to dominate the world.

William Copper

Dark to light!!!!

Watch the cockroaches scatter.

Great listen for those still learning thy enemy.

>>2001832

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Spirals are the symbol for eternity. I have seen many other meanings spoke of but the logic and truth is it is FOREVER.

Female symbol is a circle.

Male symbol is a line.

When the circle and line become one and create a third it provides the vehicle into eternity. A spiral.

>>2087960

whoa

I think this video is very important. Watch it on double speed if you like.

>>2097015

Especially around the 50min mark!

This might be the Nordic connection I was looking for originally from the first thread.

Thors Hammer = Swastika

Ok. Here is the hard won shit I got. Use it.

BAAL-NIMROOD OF CUSH

Departed Cush/Punt/Ptah

Conquered Babylon, there were also Cushitic kings of Edom if I remember correctly.

The seven great water sages, the Apkallu (cognate: Abgaal, modern Somali sub-qabiil in and around the Mogadishu area. Related term: Gallu. Demon. Cognate of gaal: non-Muslim, Somali. Abyssinian Semitic languages, derogatory term for Oromo, a Cushtic pastoralist nation. Arabic: ghul/ghoul)

followed to establish or reestablish a temple.

Baal-Nimrood banishes them and establishes himself as divine ruler.

Is challenged by Hayk. Hayk defeats Baal-Nimrood and escapes to Lake Van. A second army follows and is defeated. This is the birth of the Armenian people, circa 2400BC.

If you can hang with this, you'll get my totally unsourced conjectures predating all of that.

>>2109237

Totally hanging with it. Conjecture away!

You guys are doing great work on this thread!!!!!

I have been looking at the TEmple of BAal in ruins in Syria.

I discovered that apparently, the worshipers of Baal sacrificed their own children and buried them under the foundations of buildings and walls. I believe the wall of Jericho is an example.

Could be why God made the wall fall down.

Could be why many elite families sacrifice their kids. … to build their businesses .

Can't find the source I read originally, but her is one.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/foundation_sacrifices.htm

>>2109656

Look at where Bloomberg put their European Headquarters

https://www.bloomberg.com/philanthropy/blog/museum-beneath-bloombergs-european-headquarters-connects-future-generations-ancient-history/

Bloomberg’s new European headquarters in London sits upon one of the most important archaeological sites in the U.K., the ancient Roman Temple of Mithras. This temple once stood in the centre of Londinium – the settlement founded by the Romans on the banks of the River Thames nearly 2,000 years ago.

During planning for our building’s construction, we made a commitment to restore this ancient site and make it publicly accessible for visitors to experience the rich history of London.

As a result, London Mithraeum Bloomberg SPACE was born. A free cultural destination underneath the new Bloomberg London office that showcases the reconstructed Temple of Mithras, more than 600 remarkable Roman artefacts uncovered during recent excavations, and a series of rotating contemporary art commissions that respond to the site’s history.

>>2109390

Abzu is Eden

The people of Adam/Atom/Atun etc were ejected from Eden for disobeying God and submitting to the wisdom of the Serpent, that of Ptah/Satan/Iblis depending on who you ask. Allegorically this is the transition of humanity from lower apes/"innocence"/fall of Man to our modern incarnation in which we still strive to establish taboos over cabalists who don't want an end to cannibalism and incest and rape. We're not just animals anymore.

Going forward, in several Semitic languages, Abel and Cain are Abil and Qabil. DISCLAIMER ANYTHING PAST THIS POINT I CANNOT CITE SOURCES ON BECAUSE MUCH OF THIS IS PIECED TOGETHER ORAL TRADITION FROM PEOPLE WHO LONG AGO DECIDED IT WAS PROBABLY BEST NOT TO WRITE ANYTHING DOWN, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T NEED TO.

Abil=ability, Qabil=tradition. That "qab" in Qabil is the root of Qaballah, the Kaa'ba in Mecca, and I encourage everyone else to do their own work and challenge the shit out of everything because it will reap wild dividends over the historical and scientific obscurantism of our era.

Isaiah 11:11. Cush as one of the nations where Lord recovered the “remnant of his people”.

So Adam gets expelled, right off the bat Cain murders Abel and SET has to pick up the slack. What do Cain's descendants do? The Bible isn't really about them, or Ham/Xam for that matter. It's a very Shem and Japheth story.

What do they do? Wander. Wander the wastes of Punt in penance until they follow the birds and the camels to water sources and get the hang of it and camels end up domesticated, circa at latest 3000BC.

The Ginger Wars of Beled-Nagara had been settled for roughly 600 years at that point, and Mesopotamia was beginning to recover from its first (known) collapse, likely caused by some asshole bringing ginger from India via sea rather than overland and undermining Beled-Nagara's monopoly on Mesopotamian distribution. A big war was fought. It sucked. A conjecture for another time. (SEE ALSO: LADY PO NAGARA OF VIETNAM)

Peoples of Punt, while not wholly monotheistic at this point, according to biblical and oral traditions, established worship of EEBE WAAQ. This one just look up and read for yourself. Crows say waaq. Allah al-Waaqin is mentioned in Quran 13:37, indicating that a significant portion of pre-Islamic/early Islamic Horn of Africa were already monotheism.

Punt was known as the Land of God/The God. It was the source of incense which was profoundly valuable in the era.

"Hatshepsut established the trade networks that had been disrupted during the Hyksos occupation of Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period, thereby building the wealth of the eighteenth dynasty. She oversaw the preparations and funding for a mission to the Land of Punt. This trading expedition to Punt was roughly during Hatshepsut's ninth year of reign. It set out in her name with five ships, each measuring 70 feet (21 m) long bearing several sails[dubious – discuss] and accommodating 210 men that included sailors and 30 rowers.[citation needed]Many trade goods were bought in Punt, notably frankincense and myrrh."

Also obsidian

At some point after this, and by approximately 200 years before Julius Caesar, Cushites controlled the entire cinnamon route from India to the point the Greeks and Romans believed it was being produced in Punt.

Anyway that's enough for now. Next post will be about Gād and Gadaa, and the fundamental struggle of Gadaa vs Qabiil that persists to this day. Hope you enjoyed. Please correct me or fill in blanks!

Ishtar is a mean bitch!

TABLET VI

narrates the celebration of the victory of Gilgamesh, and his repulse of Ishtar's love advances (Haupt, pp. 42-50).

He cleansed his weapons, he polished his arms.

He took off the armour that was upon him. He put away

his soiled garments and put on clean raiment;

clothed himself with his ornaments, put on his diadem (?).

Gilgamesh placed upon his head the crown and put on his diadem (?).

To win the favour and love of Gilgamesh, Ishtar, the lofty goddess desired (and said unto him):

"Come, Gilgamesh, be thou my spouse,

Give, O give unto me thy manly strength.

Be thou my husband, let me be thy wife, and I will set thee in a chariot (embossed) with precious stones and gold,

with wheels made of gold, and shafts of sapphires (?).

Large kudanu-lions thou shalt harness to it.

Under sweet-smelling cedars thou shalt enter into our house.

And] when thou enterest into our house

Thou shalt sit upon?] a lofty throne, and people shall kiss thy feet;

kings and lords and rulers shall bow down before thee.

Whatever mountain and country produces, they shall bring to thee as tribute.

• • *] thy sheep shall bear twin-ewes.

• • *] mules they shall bring as tribute.

Thy [majesty?] shall sit upon a chariot that is splendid,

drawn?] by a span that has no equal.

But Gilgamesh opened his mouth and spoke unto her; said unto the lofty goddess Ishtar:

The beginning lines of his speech are almost lost, only a few fragments being preserved. Gilgamesh refused the proffered love of Ishtar, reminding her that all her former lovers have come to grief through her, and said that he was not willing to share their fate.

"Where is thy husband Tammuz, who was to be forever?

What, indeed, has become of the allallu-bird * ?

Well, I will tell thee plainly the dire result of thy coquetries.

To Tammuz, the husband of thy youth,

thou didst cause weeping and didst bring grief upon him every year.

The allallu-bird, so bright of colours, thou didst love;

But its wing thou didst break and crush,

so that now it sits in the woods crying: 'O my wing!'

Thou didst also love a lion, powerful in his strength,

seven and seven times didst thou dig a snaring pit for him.

Thou didst also love a horse, pre-eminent in battle,

but with bridle (?), spur, and whip thou didst force it on,

didst force it to run seven double-leagues at a stretch.

And when it was tired and wanted to drink, thou still didst force it on,

thereby causing weeping and grief to its mother Si-li-li.

Thou didst also love a shepherd of the flock * * *

who continually poured out incense before thee,

and, for thy pleasure, slaughtered lambs day by day.

Thou didst smite him, and turn him into a tiger,

so that his own sheep-boys drove him away,

and his own dogs tore him to pieces.

Thou didst also love a farmer, a gardener of thy father,

who continually brought unto thee dainties,

and daily adorned thy table for thee.

Thine eye thou didst cast on him and turn his mind, saying:

'Oh, my farmer boy, let us enjoy thy manly strength.

Let thy hand come forth and take away my virginity' (?).

But the farmer spoke unto thee and said:

'Me!—what is this that thou askest of me?

Mother, thou hast not baked, and I will not eat;

The food that I shall eat is bad and bitter,

and it is covered with cold and numbness.'

And when thou didst hear such words,

thou didst smite him and change him into a cripple(?)

And didst thus compel him to lie on a couch,

so that he could no more rise up from his bed.

And now thou wouldst also love me; but like unto them I would fare."

When Ishtar heard such words

she became enraged, and went up into heaven,

and came unto Anu [her father], and

To Antum (her mother) she went, and thus spoke (unto them):

"My father, Gilgamesh has insulted me;

Gilgamesh has upbraided me with my evil deeds,

my deeds of evil and of violence."

And Anu opened his mouth and spoke—

said unto her, the mighty goddess Ishtar:

"Thou shalt not remain so disconsolate,

even though Gilgamesh has upbraided thee with thy evil deeds,

thy deeds of evil and of violence."

And Ishtar opened her mouth and said,

she spoke unto Anu, her father:

"My father, create [for me] a heaven-bull."

>>2117373

The following seventy lines have come down in a very mutilated condition; and the meaning can only be surmised. As Dr. Jeremias has ingeniously pointed out, the lines remind us of the threat of Gilgamesh, spoken before the ocean palace (Tablet X, Col. I), and especially of the analogous conditions found in the account of the "Descent of Ishtar into the Netherworld," where the courageous goddess in her wrath forces entrance to the Netherworld. As she threatened there, so now here, in heaven, she would smash everything, if her will and wish is not granted. Anu, her father, though hesitating, is forced to accede and creates the heaven-bull. And now Ishtar breaks out in these words: "I will have revenge." The account of the fight of the two heroes, Gilgamesh and Enkidu, against the heaven-bull is almost completely lost. Lines 122 and 123 appear to say:

They?] hunted him and Enkidu [attacked?] the heaven-bull,

• • • and grasped him by his heavy tail.

On an old Babylonian cylinder representing the fight we see the bull standing on its hind feet, Enkidu holding the monster by its head and tail, while Gilgamesh plunges the dagger into its heart. We can also gather from the remains of the lines that three hundred heroes took part in the fight. After the heroes had killed the bull and had thus satisfied their hearts, they brought unto Shamash, the sun god, a thank offering. The narrative then continues:

Then Ishtar went up to the wall of Uruk, the strong-walled;

she uttered a piercing cry and broke out into a curse, (saying):

"Woe to Gilgamesh, who thus has grieved me,

and has killed the heaven-bull."

But Enkidu, hearing these words of Ishtar,

tore out the right side of the heaven-bull,

and threw it into her face, (saying):

"And thus I will, indeed, defeat thee;

and I will do unto thee even as I have done to him;

I will hang its heart(?) upon thy side, forsooth."

Then Ishtar gathered her followers, that ruin men,

the hierodules and the sacred prostitutes.

Over the right side of the heaven-bull she wept and lamented.

But Gilgamesh assembled the people, and all his workmen.

The workmen admired the size of its horns.

Thirty minas of precious stones was their value;

half of an inch (?) in size was their thickness (?).

Six measures of oil they both could hold.

For the anointing of his god Lugal-tur-da8 he dedicated it.

He brought the horns and hung them up in the shrine of his lordship.

Then they washed their hands in the river Euphrates,

took the road, and set out (for the city),

and rode through the streets of the city of Uruk.

The people of Uruk assembled and looked with astonishment [at the heroes?].

Gilgamesh then spoke to the servants (?) of [his palace?]

and cried out unto them, (saying):

"Who is glorious among the heroes?

Who shines among the men?"

"Gilgamesh?] is glorious among the heroes,

Gilgamesh?] shines among the men!"

>>2001832

>>2122300

You all are a bunch of idiots. You will never find the truth because you refuse to accept the Bible as truth. Every one of you is a poor lost sole. Willing to read and believe anything except the the word of God. Is it because you are unable to understand it? Do you know why it is impossible for you to understand it?

You are fools, fools who lead fools.

>>2152763

you come here and whine and complain without explaining anything.

How is that helping?

why would you go through the trouble to do that?

>>2152763

Many people here believe the words in the Bible to be truth.

In fact their faith is strengthened and expanded by what is being talked about here.

There are a few threads discussing scriptures here as well.

Obvious shill.

>>2152763

Lost SOUL ahhmmm - anon you appear to have little understanding yourself. Check before preaching!

>>2152763

Wow, that is a pretty persuasive, coherent approach. You might ask "WWJD" . I don't recall much ranting and raving towards the non-believers.

in his day

some cool army insignias

https:// www.army.mil/info/organization/

Connections

Here's a summary of what I have gathered from these threads.

Y is the keystone.

Y = Cult of the Sun/Bull >Deity changes physical form based on constellation aligned with the sun in the great year.

• Cannabilism and child sacrifice are common in ritualistic practice.

• Known for infiltrating nations and degrading from within until societal collapse is inevitable. >"If you can't beat them, join them!" "When in Rome!"

• Once target nation collapses, the symbolic Phoenix rises from the ashes and the cult moves on to the next society.

• Most likely formed in Canaan under the guise of a Jewish tribe. >i.e. - Gehenna - Child Sacrifice - Other Jewish tribes condemned these acts.

• Most likely founded the Phoenician Empire and created the western alphabet. >Y is the keystone. - What is Y in the Phoenician alphabet?

• Worship to ancient gods like Enki/Moloch/Baal/Lucifer/Astarte and many more of essentially the same gods regurgitated in different form.

• Many secret societies work for or with this ancient cult. >Masons, Knights Templar, Jesuits, Skull & Bones, etc.

Symbology of the cult are found in most cultures. The cult most likely influenced some of the greatest empires in history. >Phoenician, Minoan, Roman, American, etc.

Common cult symbol examples - The phoenix, the bull, the all seeing eye, pyramid, obelisk, and ram.

But they have many more symbols, handshakes, and codes. These will be their downfall.

Common signs that your society has been manipulated by the ancient Cult of the Sun:

• You praise a sun god >Son of God

• The form of your deity is determined by what constellation is aligned with the sun. >Jesus = Pisces = Fish = Present Constellation Sun Orientation

• Your culture appropriates pagan rituals >Christmas, Valentine's Day, Easter, etc.

• Common social degradation >Compromised moral values, child prostitution, slavery, etc.

• An egocentric perspective is common among the populace. >social media

• Your nation has a strong naval influence in the world. >sea fairing people

• Social warfare instead of a flourishing social community. >BLM - KKK - ANTIFA - NAZI = DIVIDE & CONQUER

This does not necessarily mean Jesus was some false prophet from the occult. Rather I believe that his intention was to unveil the occult and he was foiled by bad actors. Then they hollywood Jesus and he was re-appropriated to make people worship the sun god that the occult has always tricked people into worshipping since time written.

>darkness to light

>>2185984

AMAZING

>>2198764

>This does not necessarily mean Jesus was some false prophet from the occult. Rather I believe that his intention was to unveil the occult and he was foiled by bad actors. Then they hollywood Jesus and he was re-appropriated to make people worship the sun god that the occult has always tricked people into worshipping since time written.

BOOM

You summed it up 100%, did you post this in the general as well? I think this is the crux of all our research in one post, along with that graphic another anon did above.

As for Jesus, I dunno.. I used to be religious.. then I considered myself an atheist.. and these days I'm so dizzy I'm not even sure. But I really feel like the Catholic Church was a "Phoenician" creation to turn the Gnostic Personal Jesus into a hierarchical king that's so far above you you can only access his forgiveness through a priest in confession. Confession.. hahahaha! Tell me all your dark secrets, son, I will forgive you!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/19/egypt-sarcophagus-what-they-found-massive-ancient-tomb/802720002/

A cursed sarcophagus

A unrecognizable sculpted bust which shows clear damage to destroy it

Sacrificed skeletons in sewage water.

"dated back to Ptolemaic period, which began around 323 B.C. — the year Alexander the Great died"

>>2214970

Holy cow…Russia wants Clinton!!

https://youtu.be/dmZzkYoTQuQ?t=279

or am I seeing wrong…watch at 4:39

>>2214021

>did you post this in the general as well?

I posted a variation of this summary in the last bread. But I'm fine tuning it with every bake.

>As for Jesus, I dunno.. I used to be religious.. then I considered myself an atheist.. and these days I'm so dizzy I'm not even sure. But I really feel like the Catholic Church was a "Phoenician" creation to turn the Gnostic Personal Jesus into a hierarchical king that's so far above you you can only access his forgiveness through a priest in confession. Confession.. hahahaha! Tell me all your dark secrets, son, I will forgive you!

I completely agree, my experience has been similar. I don't know what the answer is. As a former Catholic, I feel like organized religion in general is a really bad idea.

We do not praise the sun god. Many have been deceived re: the fact that neither The Father nor The Son ever changed the Fourth Commandment. The Son did the will of The Father in Heaven. He asked for us to worship The Father and to Pray to The Father in The Name of The Sun. Jesus is a name we have been given to understand in our culture. The Son's name when interpreted from the original language is "Behold The Hand Behold The Nail" >>2198764

>>2198764

>>2217134

correction= In the name of the SON.

>>2217134

I assume by "we" you mean Christian? I'm not claiming you personally are praising a "sun god" rather the symbolism is used as a signal to others in the know.

The intention behind your preacher/priest's message/actions during his public teachings is important. The subsequent energy you give to that sermon can be used for any purpose he pleases…that is if you believe in that kind of stuff. I'm speaking from experience as a former Catholic. Have you ever read into Papal magic?

https://stolenhistory.org/threads/the-phoenicians-once-ruled-the-world-they-still-do-today.153/

>>2198764

A few misconceptions.

Sumeria, Babylon pre-dated practices in Caanan,

The pagans practice ALL consisted of human sacrifices.

Pedophila, homosexuality and brother./sister marriages were common in Grrek Roman and Eqyptian cultures.

The monotheistic Hebrews prohibited the "wickedness" memtionaed above, while some of the their Hebrew cousins remained pagans (in Cannan). There was really such religion as Jewish after the unified Kindom in the area or Caanan. There were commonly known then as Israelites

There was a separation od Caanan into tow parts = a reduced area of 10 tribes in Caanan and 2 tribes broke off to for Judeah (the land of the Jews)

The Ca\ananites revertedto ot contijnues their wicked pagan religions, while the God-fearing Judean Israelites remained faithful

The Cannanites were invaded by their northern semitic tribes (assyrians?) and wiped out and scatterd into oblivion (possible escaping to, or take captive to northern/Assyrian lands (closer the area of the Khazars)

The Kingdom of Judeah was conquered an take into slavery into Babylon. Some maintained the "Jewish" faith and practices, while others assimilated into Babylon (when in Rome does as the Romans is a good analogy) God-fearing Jews shrunk in numbers with some adopting Babylonian culture and polytheism.

Cyrus invades babylon and allows Jew to return home to Judeah with capital in Jerusalem.

Story is getting too long, so I will suggest you read the history (mwhich is mostly the Old Testament.

I let out some pieces and time periods but this will give some who have a confused picture a little guidance to understand the written history.

I do't profess to be an expert, just a curious student of history, so might have been a little inaccurate (e.g . 1st invasion of Assyrains, might have been another group of northern tribes in the area of today's Syrian /western Iraq - boundaries were indistinct and fluid - Syria & Iraq are modern names for geographic places so easier to ID the general area.

Same with Khazar, but a series of invasion might likely scatter or capture the pagan Israelites towards the north west (Turkey/Armenia of today)

In summary: I suspect the lost tribes who were scattered consisten of the 10 tribes of pagan Israelites, plus some portion of the Judean that reverted to Babylonian paganisn.

Accordingly, is the Khazars theory is correct it wold most likely be the pagan Israelites, not the Judeans (Jews). In any case, it appears the there was at minimum two distinct groups of Israelite, all from early Caanan (before the split), but on from Judeah (2) tribes and one from Caanan (10 tribes)

Also:

Phoenician culture was early written language but disappeared, likely having been conquered by one or more of their neighbors or trading partners

Feel free to correct any significant errors - I am working solely from memory and may have muddle up some small parts.

My suggestion is read some of the Wikipedia articles. They are easier to read an a tad more objective (plz excuse misspellings - tired)

>>2198764

As a side note: The Book of Revelations refers to

places(?) of Gog and Magog. Ancient maps so Magog in the general area we associate with Khararia. BTW - the poke Yiddish, not Hebrew.

Might a little perspective why their are some groups considered God-fearing Jews and others that were "different". Hard to tell but geography and languages indicate a geographic and Yiddish borrows from germanic languages, while Hebrew language does not.

Their bloodlines diverged as well somewhere well before the time of Jesus. No one has genealogical records that old but Y chromosome DNS should be distinctly different at some part of the chain. Male line stays pretty much the same through male descendants, and even mixed marriages won't change that. For example, only certain sections are relevant for family ancestry purposes. Mine is nearly identical to my grandfather back to 1640 AD.

The short version has 37 markers, I match 33 of 37 exactly and other three are off by tiny amount due to slight natural mutations. It is considered a mathematically certain match after 400 years. I have distant cousins that are 100% match to 67 markers

>>2228937

>Sumeria, Babylon pre-dated practices in Caanan

One could argue the region of Canaan was actually ruled by Sumerian kings at one point, but we don't really have a lot of recorded history to go off of until Canaan and though the practices pre-date this civilization, it seems to take on the form of an organized religion among the Hebrew tribes.

We only know bits and pieces of info about the Minoan empire but we know that pagan rituals happened

>Phoenician culture was early written language but disappeared, likely having been conquered by one or more of their neighbors or trading partners

The early written language of Phoenician culture and their trading system are all that honestly matter about the Phoenicians in relation to tracking this ancient cult. They have a lasting mark throughout western culture and they're a good identifier of occult activity.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said but I'm painting with a broader strokes than you is all. We're trying to get the big picture here. Your information is educational, relevant and appreciated but a word of caution; don't get lost in the details. We're trying to cover the history of humankind here.

>>2230162

*We only know bits and pieces of info about the Minoan empire but we know that pagan rituals happened. Trying to figure out the details of what led to their demise is irrelevant to the bigger picture. It's the same strategy over and over and over again. A phoenix rises from the ashes. What more do you need to know about their demise? We know how these people operate.

Some questions:

a) Why are "jews" (hebrews, israelites, …) not mentioned in ANY literature of the time, except that authored by themselves?

(Please show me ONE example that it is not so!).

b) Why are jews alluded to as antisocials/criminals since the the time of the romans?

c) What makes a people so regarded by ALL those with whom they have crossed paths worthy of saving?

d) Contemporaneous israel was founded by two clans which are generally considered as satanic: Windsors and Rothschilds.

• Given that: What about israel is "blessed by god"???

• What makes the people of israel (jews) more blessed than me???

Thanks for your consideration.

>>2228937

Pretty good! You mixed up part of the timeline.

The Phoenicians wanted to destroy the Israelites so they got their old buddies in Babylon to conquer them and exile them all.

When Persia defeated Babylon, they let the Israelites return and avenged them by destroying Phoenicia.

It's not a coincidence that Zoroaster was from Persia. Interesting how he lived around the time of Moses and Akhenaten…

>>2230321

This rabbit hole goes deep.

Why is there no history of the Phoenicians or Carthaginians written by themselves?

There's nothing special about the Jews, but there was something about the original Israelites. But that wasn't exclusive as revelations happened elsewhere in the world too to other tribes. This has nothing to do with race.

But consider that history is completely made up for Rome and Greece and ask yourself who wrote it?

They were hoping to utterly destroy whatever the Israelites figured out, but failed. They otherwise removed them from history but they couldn't completely remove their scriptures (though they tried)

Did you know there's literally no original sources for Roman or Greek history? All we have was "discovered" in the middle ages.

One last question:

• In what way is a psychopath different from a jew?

Re Phoenicians: There is a rock from antiquity on the coast Algeria or Morocco which heaps the destruction of the Phoenician civilization on "the hebrew".

Maybe Nimrod was a Neanderthal? Seems like we were told Neanderthal was extinct, but what if they are just the Jews in disguise? Would explain A LOT

>>1970536

>>2030200

>>1970414

>>1970497

>>1979208

>>1979208

Isis, Astarte, Ishtar, the Black Madonna.

If you were to hide your "faith" within the dominant structure (Judeo-Christain) you would cloak it within the dominant iconography. Right?

Madonna, from the sea, Venus, Aphrodite, the Morning/Evening Star. Cycle/Spiral.

Virgin mother and child = Isis and Osiris/Horus (phoenix rising).

Sauce: https:// cassandraeason.com/vierge_noir/index.htm

>>2198764

This.

Nimrod Expedition

Three men in heavy clothing stand in line on an icy surface, next to a flagstaff from which flies the flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

Jameson Adams, Frank Wild and Eric Marshall (from left to right) plant the Union Jack at their southernmost position, 88° 23', on 9 January 1909. The photograph was taken by expedition leader Ernest Shackleton.

The British Antarctic Expedition 1907–09, otherwise known as the Nimrod Expedition, was the first of three expeditions to the Antarctic led by Ernest Shackleton. Its main target, among a range of geographical and scientific objectives, was to be first to the South Pole. This was not attained, but the expedition's southern march reached a Farthest South latitude of 88° 23' S, just 97.5 nautical miles (180.6 km; 112.2 mi) from the pole. This was by far the longest southern polar journey to that date and a record convergence on either Pole.[a] A separate group led by Welsh Australian geology professor Edgeworth David reached the estimated location of the South Magnetic Pole, and the expedition also achieved the first ascent of Mount Erebus, Antarctica's second highest volcano.

The expedition lacked governmental or institutional support, and relied on private loans and individual contributions. It was beset by financial problems and its preparations were hurried. Its ship, Nimrod, was less than half of the size of Robert Falcon Scott's 1901–04 expedition ship Discovery, and Shackleton's crew lacked relevant experience. Controversy arose from Shackleton's decision to base the expedition in McMurdo Sound, close to Scott's old headquarters, in contravention of a promise to Scott that he would not do so. Nevertheless, although the expedition's profile was initially much lower than that of Scott's six years earlier, its achievements attracted nationwide interest and made Shackleton a public hero. The scientific team, which included the future Australasian Antarctic Expedition leader Douglas Mawson, carried out extensive geological, zoological and meteorological work. Shackleton's transport arrangements, based on Manchurian ponies, motor traction, and sled dogs, were innovations which, despite limited success, were later copied by Scott for his ill-fated Terra Nova Expedition.

On his return, Shackleton overcame the Royal Geographical Society's initial scepticism about his achievements and received many public honours, including a knighthood from King Edward VII. He made little financial gain from the expedition and eventually depended on a government grant to cover its liabilities. Within three years his southernmost record had been surpassed, as first Amundsen and then Scott reached the South Pole. In his own moment of triumph, Amundsen nevertheless observed: "Sir Ernest Shackleton's name will always be written in the annals of Antarctic exploration in letters of fire".[1]

https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod_Expedition

>>2232275

>>1952500

Enoch in Antarctica.

>>1946667

Anatoly Fomenko

Read

We can't date anything.

>>2198764

Connections.

Between Orion and Pleiades.

Taurus The Bull > the Bull's Eye > Aldebaran > the Hunter. ––– Fomalhaut > Mouth of the Whale.

>>2232151

BLACK POPE.

>>2232463

>>2232435

From qresearch board #2790 https:// 8ch.net/qresearch/res/2212674.html

>>2232633

>>2232634

>>2232633

>>2232463

>>2232435

>>2232151

Phoenicia Black Madonna > Black Pope > Black Nobility > Templars > Switzerland.

>>2212816

>>2232185

>>2232325

>>>2232275

B'Nai Brit Britain > British Israel. Lots to dig into.

https:// www.british-israel.us/index.php

>>2233210

At it again.

Public LOUD

Check out lanes Walfartz

Display till September says insert

56 [owls] on cover

47 pics inside.

Know numerology ??

5+6 = 11

4+7 = 11

Power number

Power number

Perfect balance

Sun moon woman man

5x7 = 35

6-4 = 2

35-2 = 33

Top of the top 33° Gayson

Topix media

Everyone loves coloring Vol 2

[Note: significant edits for brevity.]

God and Lucifer have been at it awhile, you see it played out on the "Chess Board of Life.”. The moves and counter moves are perhaps best illustrated at the beginning of the "new game" that appears to have started shortly after the Flood of Noah.

The first game played out pretty quick. God makes man in His own image and they have a great relationship together. Lucifer gets jealous and tries to break up the relationship. Because of that, God pronounces a prophetic judgement, stating that Eve's seed will crush his head. Lucifer then tries to mess up the seed in order to subvert this judgement. He nearly succeeds, but God finds ONE family that is still pure enough to preserve the promised Seed. He saves Noah and his family and wipes out the world and all of the Devil's offspring in the Flood. Game over.

New game. The Devil doesn't waste any time. Within a hundred years after the Flood, he has a new champion player on the board. Nimrod. God lets the game play out a bit. Just as it looks like Lucifer may have a winning angle lining up, God makes a masterful move and confounds the languages. Nimrod is down but not out. The Devil still has his power-player in hand. God allows him to move this player into position again.

Then, God introduces his own new key player. Abram. By the time Abram was born, Nimrod was still in the land of Shinar. In fact, that was a big part of the reason why God called Abram out of Ur of the Chaldees (which was just south of Babylon) in the first place. And this is where "the game" starts to get really interesting.

During the twenty years or so that Abram was bouncing back and forth between Haran and Canaan, Nimrod was also doing some traveling of his own. Though Nimrod still reigned from the area of Babylon, he regularly made trips to other parts of his kingdom. Apparently, one of his favorite spots was Egypt - the land from which he would eventually rule the ancient world - even after his death.

We are all familiar with the “All Seeing Eye.” But few understand where this whole idea came from. At some point, either before or after Nimrod's death, it would seem that he lost an eye.

Sauce: https:// www.babylonrisingblog.com/Godvsgod3.html

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>>2251719

>>2232732

Caps from Sara Ruth Ashcraft’s twitter: #ByePhoenicia

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2255347.html#q2255485

>>2256847

https://twitter.com/SaRaAshcraft/status/1021431565950291968

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2255347.html#q2255471

>>2256847

Holy shit. Is she reading this? Or are we hitting the nail on the head with this research!??

Hello anons. I have been a lurker for a while. I did not vote for POTUS or HRC. I wish I had voted for POTUS though now that I know about Q. Learned about Q back in February.

A quick background about me.

I thought all was lost because I was convinced Hillary was going to win the election. So I got into the film industry and joined freemasonry to take matters into my own hands. My goal was to red pill other lower tier Freemasons and work my way to the top and into the secret invite only Masonic bodies in order to gather intel and share to my DOD contacts.

As fate would have it, my initiation was on election night. I walked out of the lodge room after my entered apprentice degree and saw that 4.10.20 had won the election. I was stunned. Since then I have become a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite, almost to the top of the York Rite, the Knight Masons and some others. Don’t want to dox myself by telling all the orgs I’m in though.

I’ve Redpilled a few masons so far. Some are lurkers here as well.

I’d like to make myself available to answer any questions you all have about freemasonry and help you put pieces together that you might be missing. As well as receive advice on how to continue this work in light of Q mission.

WWG1WGA, MAGA

Masonanon

>>2279255

First question, you can be 32deg that fast?

>>2279491

Yeah. It only takes 3 months if you make it to all the Degree nights. Because there are 29 degrees in the Scottish Rite, it might take you 10 years to see them all. The degrees are plays, so it takes a lot of coordination and people to do them. Depending on your state / jurisdiction the required degrees can vary. But they always require the 4th Degree, and then 3 lower degrees. Then you can become a 32nd Degree.

Masonanon

>>2279623

Interesting. Ok, one thing I wonder is now that you're 32nd degree, and even so quickly so, did they suddenly grant you access to special knowledge/wisdom? Or do they trust you with that yet?

If so, what's something they told you that knocked you off your feet?

>>2279780

“Knocking you off your feet” is not in the Scottish Rite degrees. That’s in the Master Mason Degree.

I was told to give Jubalum to give him the secrets of a Master Mason. I refused. Jubalum said to me “Then Die”…

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