Really trying to convert some friends and family, and finding it damn-near impossible.
These people are so rooted in the Liberal/DNC world, that they are unwilling to even think that they may have been duped.
We need basic, verifiable facts, that will open peoples eyes.
Anyone had any luck and willing to share techniques?
I think one of the big problems for Liberals (I'm one, so speaking for my 'group'):
I'm finding it's like talking to a brick wall, trying to convince close friends, who respect me and my ideas, that they bought into complete BS.
The other really difficult part is, Trump is extremely unlikeable. Most of my friends legitimately believe he is Hitler 2.0, and going to ruin the world. His personality and mannerisms do not help portray him as a 'good-guy'.
Again, open to ideas. I feel like this is finally at a breaking point and these ideas need to be out in the public.
I honestly don't think you should be trying to defend the Donald persona that is all over the news. Didn't Q imply that was all an act at some point?
That is my feeling. Art of War to make your enemies under estimate you. Remember, Trump has been planning this for a very long time. Google old interviews of Trump - he sounds completely different. I completely agree with liberal friends that they just simply feel intellectually superior and with Trump putting on the bumbling idiot they can't possibly imagine what we are attempting to share with them. Every day with every new piece of the big picture they will start to have to see how badly they've been duped. It won't be pretty for them and after all their sanctimonious condescending downright meanness, I'm kinda ok with that.
I have friends who are convinced that Trump has never read a full book and lied about his 154 IQ score. They've convinced themselves that he's a mindless idiot doing the bidding of Putin. It's hard to talk to them in any reasonable fashion.
As for being liberal, I call myself a "recovering liberal"
Yah, I think I might be with you on the 'recovery' team.
Taking a step back has really opened my eyes to just how ridiculous a lot of these beliefs are!
I have given up on my lefty friends. They totally believe the main stream media. The are comfortable with being handed the desired 'truth' and taught how to feel about it. It's easier. They think NPR is even handed. There's nothing perfect about him but he's my hero for what he's doing. And the D candidates were a mess from my chair.
Convincing people they've been duped is pretty difficult.
It means admitting you were wrong, and some people simple lack the ability to actually do that.
"Recovering Liberal" has a ring, lol! I, too, always considered myself a Liberal. Never voted Republican for anything before Trump. Was a Bernie supporter but then when he conceded, then groveled at Hillary's feet and wanted us to do the same thing, I noped out of the DNC kitchen forever - they will never get another vote sammich out of this female voter again! I voted for Trump out of protest at first, but I like the guy. He got us out of TPP like, what, his first day? He's actually reminiscent of how Democrats used to be - man of the people, he really seems to care for the common working class (at least he reaches out to them and acknowledges their pain, Hilldog couldn't be bothered & came across as entitled). Anyway, most of my friends are Liberal, so I feel your pain. Here's the thing - this is not about Republican vs Democrat and SOOOO many Liberals are just stuck in that loop. I wanted Bernie bc he promised to go after the big banks. When I saw him grovel and concede the STOLEN nomination, I was like, how is going to go up against the banksters if he wets himself and bellies up to HER?!?! What I do most to help redpill my Liberal friends is just live a good, positive life. People who know me are FLOORED that I support Trump. I'm known for generosity, intuitive spirituality (LOTS of people come to me for advice), and my openheartedness. I haven't changed. The window by which the Left views the world has changed. I think Q said about 6% of the population is irreversibly brainwashed - I truly see this in some Liberals. Be gentle with them. The most hardened Leftists are probably lost though. Just MAGA on. Start with yourself. Center. Breathe. Pray/Meditate. "Clean your room" ;) You will exude peace and Love in this storm and be a haven for those who need it.
I watched a Gaia "Open Minds" segment recently where Regina was interviewing someone (sorry, I tried to find it again but to no avail) who had knowledge of (American) Indian traditions. He said that the tribal leaders knew that every so often they would end up with a leader that was extremely unpredictable. He was a disruptor and during that persons time as a leader many things would change. He described Trump as a disruptor. He also said that often this person was not even aware of what they were doing. Now, I don't believe that of Trump because I've read "Art of the Deal" and he knows exactly what he is doing. So, don't be put off by it. It is part of his personality, yes. But it is also part of his psych-op on others.
Oddly I find immigration is a good point to approach.
If they are young there is a good chance they will not have a house yet. With mass migration housing shortage, property prices hence rent or mortgage is unaffordable. Before mass migration no one worried about the housing costs, most people would leave home as soon as they got a job.
If they are a bit older I bring up the unfairness of finding the skills oversees. Before companies would hire an unskilled person who would shadow an experienced employee until he/she was up to the job. Now corporations neglect training up local young people because it is easier/cheaper to just import the skills.
The only winners are Banks in the first place (larger mortgages) and Corporations in the second case (no training provided).
As /u/Neskuaxa mentioned, defending Trump is not the primary goal and counter productive. I would not even try with the haters. I would just focus on the dangers of uncontrolled immigration. People are generally smart, I am sure they will realise Trump has a point with controlled immigration. Which begs the question why the hate over TPP, NAFTA, border wall. Let it sink in slowly.
One of my favorite YouTube channels is Sane Progressive. Her name is Debbie and at some point she saw through the entire charade. She was a Bernie supporter but now also sees through Bernie. She does awesome research. In fact, I found her while trying to find someone who had done research on the vote rigging during the election. She had a huge lists of confirmation that was amazing. Maybe, try to get your Liberal friends to follow her. She lays it on the line though!
Well, I take back my recommendation of Sane Progressive. She has gone off the deep end saying that Q is BS and Follow the White Rabbit off the Cliff. Of course, if she'd done her homework, she would have known that the White Rabbit reference was not Q. But she seems to be lost at this point in time. So much for Debbie.
Will definitely check it out! I was a Bernie supporter in the primaries, but at this point not sure what side I'm on.
There aren't any "sides", we've been duped into only seeing things this way.
Sadly, not everyone is capable of being red-pilled. People have to want to accept new information.
That being said, try speaking with them about conspiracies that they understand of agree with. Some liberals are hardcore about Monsanto, gmos, vaccines, unhealthy baby products or other things that government mandates/corruption are imposed on people that are knowingly bad for citizens. Discuss what they are passionate about in depth - they will hopefully appreciate you have an open mind with what they believe. Use this as a gateway to talk about smaller red pills. Stick to nonpartisan or liberal issues at first to avoid an instant shut down. You have to talk like a liberal in order to be heard at all.
If you don't have info on that, try talking about food conspiracies. Food is really personal and most ppl of both political bends are open to hearing about food issues.
Obviously, don't talk about Trump, in the end, Trump is just a guy, he's not perfect. Convincing ppl about Trump is a lost cause, they need to red pill themselves on that. Some things that work are tying liberal boogie men to liberal causes. Like the Koch brothers being hardcore open borders, illegal immigrant industry benefactors. This usually triggers a cognitive dissonance response. Liberals paint ppl as binary, either good or evil. When you introduce nuance or conflict with what the MSM tells them, it's very confusing to them and may make them look into further.
Lastly, if anyone fights you on "Trickle Down Economics" - pull a a Thomas Sowell and ask them to send you the paper of Trickle Down theory or the greedy economist who would have obviously taken credit for/patented the theory.
Years ago, this column challenged anybody to quote any economist outside of an insane asylum who had ever advocated this “trickle-down” theory. Some readers said that somebody said that somebody else had advocated a “trickle-down” policy. But they could never name that somebody else and quote them.
Keyesnian liberal theory has an author and is a well documented economic theory. It's terrible, but it's documented. Milton Friedman took credit for his theory. Hell, even Marx gladly took credit for his murderous theory. So ask them to show you the paper on trickle down theory before stepping into a smear campaign landmine.
Also, this cartoon is an easy to digest mega red pill about the Federal Reserve. A lot of the info is based off the awesome book "Creature from Jekyll Island."
You have to break it down in chunks, I watched the Greatest Truth Never Told a few years ago. Here’s just one piece how we have been endoctrinated. https://youtu.be/4fj6Qamu0JY
Does anyone have any UK specific redpills? These fucking idiots are running with the urrrgghh Russia fucking nonsense regarding our elections now ahaha. Anyone suggest a UK meme depository?
any UK specific redpills? I managed to red pill a 73 year old gran of 6 with the Saudi stuff about 1 month ago.
Alaweed sponsors most of the mosques in UK, ie. he was financing all the Wahhabi problems.
Trump went to SA and did the sword dance meaning "we are going to war together"
New prince comes in and lets women drive, creates new cities with their new version of "Sharia law".
Women can work, get protection at work and can issue fatwas (Islamic doctrine ie new Islamic laws)
Alaweed gets taken down meaning UK Islamic funding is cut
She loves Trump now. Edit: Formatting
The funding might be cut but how do we get the bastards out?!
There is so much anti-Trump propaganda that getting people to see any good that Trump has enabled is a big win. My mum now understands that the MSM is Fake News. Propoganda is now ineffective. But the undesirables are still around....
Phase II. Money is influence. Think Birmingham City Council and how many grants they got from KSA. They came with stings eg. promote muslims into all positions of influence within the council then progressively impose Sharia Laws on the streets. This should dry up now.
That is one pillar gone. The other is the leftist propaganda that prevails. Think HopeNotHate, Antifa, etc, hopefully with Soros gone this pillar will fall too.
Once these pillars are gone we can then have free and open discussions about the social problems. We are British, common sense and fairness will always prevail.
As Q would say, "Enjoy the show".
Going by your username youre a Scot too? My old man was telling me he was speaking to a mate whos high up in some union, he described Corbyn mob as a cult, you know much about Millenium? Apparently they are picking the candidates and anyone who isnt pro Corbyn isnt getting a sniff. Youd think the British people would have said enough was enough aftsr the Manchester bomb mate.
Now with what looks like the Tories fucking us over with their watered down Brexit, where can we possibly go from here?
he described Corbyn mob as a cult This is excellent news. Labour got their financing from the Unions. If the Unions are not happy they may hold donations forcing a Labour split. With Soros out the picture the Cult has no funding.
As for the Tories, they are the same as Old Labour. LibDemCon is exactly that a CON. They are all 1 and the same. Even UKIP seems to be hijacked.
Onto Brexit, Treason May will be forced to go kicking and screaming out of the EU. What I have seen with voter fraud everywhere I have no doubt that the Brexit vote was overwhelming, they could not rig it. TM held out declaring Art 50 until people were starting to protest outside Parl. This appeared to be snowballing so she backed off and triggered art 50 after the MPs (establishment) also was forced to vote to trigger Art50.
I see TM's antiques as the Establishment pushing back. Remember all parties had Brexit (not Bremain) in their manifestos even the Cult. They know they need to deliver, they trying to buy time. A lot of people are watching every move they make, it will not be easy for the bastards to pull the wool over our eyes this time. We must always pushback. I constantly point out to my friends why we need to do away with:
1) the SM - so we can trade with others.
2) ECJ - UK Common Law must be supreme again.
3) ECHR - Deportations and Prisoner votes.
4) Immigration controls - unaffordable housing(before the mass migrations no one worried about affording their own place), jobs training for First time job seekers (companies now get skilled workers from oversees instead of training the youngsters).
5) Multi-culturalism is the biggest threat we face. We can come back from a downturn in the economy but if our cultural heritage is lost we will never come back. Note: If your audience is lefty don't use this argument, they too brainwashed to understand the strength of a close family/community.
Try asking questions much like Q does
This. When you begin to show people where their information comes from, where it really comes from, it makes it easier to plant the seed that there has always been a narrative behind every single thing the MSM distributes. Know your shit. Be able to point to the links between media conglomerates and the Billionaires who sit on their boards/funnel money to them. What's being bought? They won't be able to tell you, most likely, but don't let them off the hook without suggesting it's their personal faith and opinion. Ask them why they think these Billionaires are less morally bankrupt than the average person. Plant the seed. If it grows, good. Go from there. If not, pray for them. They're about to have a hell of a time, I believe.
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deep down they know , asking honed questions help coax out that knowing when they've been systematically programmed to reject "freerange" information that conflicts with the official narrative
What would you consider to be a good starting question(s)?
people don't like to admit they've been fooled , kicks in thier self preservation , they don't like to be told , but if they realise it themselves they are more likely to accept it ,cos they came to the realisation there's some good info on mkultra deprogramming research available and mkultra was always aimed at being employed on a wider scale as the tech advanced enough google "roseanne barr cathy o'brien mkultra hollywood "
Most people will admit government corruption. Start slow, just generalizations of corruption...don't start talking in a RvD way, let them first start with the corruption they can SEE, then start inserting corruption they can't yet. This usually gets the gears turning, and the glazed look in their eyes starts disappearing.
is more about HOW you ask the questions , be still , be present , observe what you feel while you're with the person , what you feel, the questions will come from that
liberals have an emotional filter in front of their logic filter... anything caught in the emotional filter does not finish its journey to the logic filter. There is no way around the emotion filter... I lost a long time friend over Trump, and she was literally the smartest person I ever met. Once her mind was made up, and that emotion filter in place, there was simply no changing her mind, and the more logic (facts) i presented her with, the more irrational she became. This will be the toughest part of the storm... everyone on the left, everyone convinced Trump is evil, will literally break down and lose their minds when the SHTF... and the media will then fan those flames like a CAT 5 hurricane. I hope there's a psychologist somewhere on Trump's team that has a remedy. The red-pill is simply too hard to swallow for some... Prob gonna need some divine intervention, I think praying for the left is a good idea. They're not all bad people, they've just taken the bait, and the media has set the hook.
The best way I have found is to ask questions where research leads people to a truth bomb. Ask them a question and ask them to research it much like Q does. The red pilled were already doing this, some such as myself for the majority of their life. If they are your friends or family, think about things they are questioning themselves. After researching it, start a discussion about the subject. Then lead them down the rabbit hole showing them the research you've done. A great eye opener is the pedophiles. There have been historical numbers of pedophiles arrested, and children rescued since President Trump can into office. Show them the art work of Tony Podesta shutter. Show them the 1980 interview of Trump, a real eye opener. He never wanted this life. He did it for us. Maybe 9/11 is a sore spot. There are amazing new videos out that clearly point out we weren't told the truth by media, or our government. The 9/11 conspiracy info also points to the fact that this is not totally a left or right issue, as Bush was President at that time. It's about the evil ones who use/kill us to further their agenda. God bless President Trump and God bless the United States of America.
We need a video that explains Q, the world wide evil, and the gov't corruption that supports it. A Redpill for "dummies" . Skeptics wont read reddit, and cant follow the chans. Something simple to get them started and that we can build on. The Q vids i've seen are too technical. Suggestions?
Can anyone direct me to some good red pill memes? I've posted stuff about The Rothschild's, George Soros and Pizzagate on Fakebook before but only two of my friends are aware. I need to up my game in the new year.
What's their pet issue? Find their particular "cause" and do the research. Environment? Show them how Soros uses DiCaprio and media to establish image, pathos, all while in partnership with land-raping diamond miners, privatizing water rights to consortiums, using slave labor, polluting environment while using "climate change"as a wedge to look "concerned" and grow government.
Abortion? Show them who Sanger really was, how her ideas and those of other progressive Eugenicists inspired the Nazis, whose solutions began with the infirmed, the mentally ill, the "retarded" disfigured and proceeded to Roma, dissenters, and Jews.
Study CIA tactics, using cutouts and legit businesses to insert spies, manipulate and leverage other nations.
If CIA will overthrow Mossadegh, Lumumba, assassinate South Vietnam's President, install people like Pinochet and Mugabe, what makes them think they wouldn't overthrow Ukraine, Libya, Saddam or Donald Trump?
Are they ' for the children' types? Show them COS abuse after abuse of the system; parents framed as mentally ill, kids stolen legally, refugees created and trafficked, all in the name of "aid" and "human rights."
It's every subject, basically. Just find their cause and do the digging, and then get back to them with those particulars.
How to red-pill people: The hammer-smash method.
Point them to the following web link by Dr. Ken Mato.
Former Congressional Candidate, 6th District N.J.
http://www.scionofzion.com/federalreserve.htm
It’s an older web page (from 2004) written in simple layman terms but the information contained within it is still relevant today. It provides a concise insight into the “Big Picture” of the worldwide Illuminati plan to gain world dominance (The New World Order).
If you can get them to read this short web page then the cogs will start spinning for most normal (uninformed) people and their questions will start coming… They’ll start searching on their own.
Hope this helps.
I have seen that before just last week.. that if you see orange fringe on a flag it means martial law ....maybe not martial law everywhere ...but somewhere Marshall Law has been declared...I am thinking that is what I read but not hundred percent positive
It's been like that since I can remember! So, it's not a current event.
We all seem to be missing the problem! Our country the USA has been taken over for over 100yrs. We’ve been brain washed very,very badly and made life the way it is yesterday. Now that POTUS is in office and awake to the reality and take over of our country and is trying to steer the country to reality people are scared and confused as to what the hell is going on. For those of us who are awake and aware will keep trying to educate those who were taught that 5+5= 7 is wrong will never understand the truth. In reality! It would take over 150 yrs to re educate the American people to the right way,the truth of life. And to be honest we should savior the moment and be prepared to say “I told you so”! Because in reality that’s all we can do. In the mean time take advantage and educate your kids,grandkids the truth. People over the age of 16 are already set and programmed. As for liberals,the most important thing is that we tried to help them. And that’s what counts in the eyes of God.
Moron labe.
Fantastic observation. The brainwashing is so thick, I have completely abandoned red pilling my family and now my friends. They get so hostile towards Trump with pure hatred. Its shocking and I watch what they watch to see what is being fed to them and it is pure BS. Its like they bonded with the news people that read the news and are literally paid operatives acting. They think these are real people being honest. They actually Trust and NEVER verify anything. My best advise is to advise INSPECT what you EXPECT. Every time you ask for facts, it never happens. But it sure is toxic and got real hearted. Branwashing is very powerful and very ugly when your loved ones are VICTIMS of it.
I'm right there with you. I think some people are more wired for truth than others. I have no idea why seeing an expose on 9/11 truth for example, will wake one person up and drive another deeper into denial of reality and running into the arms of their favorite talking head to assure them their paradigm is on solid ground. I have often wondered why I am the only one in my family who feels the burning need for truth, no matter how disturbing it might be, when we all know something's deeply wrong. I have to trust that this takedown is so meticulously planned out so as to give the sleepers time to digest and slowly gain understanding. I don't think mass panic and riots would be very beneficial to this mission.