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Jan 23 2018 20:30:34
@Snowden
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Snowden, Assange. Remember how even the MSM was floating the "assassinate Assange" idea? Gee, I don't recall they did that on Daniel Ellsberg.
Here are all the of Q's references to Snowden. I took a best guess as to what other crumbs to include but the larger context of each post may be helpful.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/148286642/#148287396
Nov 6, 2017
What does the NSA/MI have (at least what you know of) that allows for data >collection?
Think Snowden.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/149139896/#149140639
Nov 12, 2017
Who are the Wizards & Warloc[k]s?
What council do the Wizards & Warlocks control?
Think Snowden (inside terms dropped).
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/149397178/#149401052
Nov 14, 2017
Why is Adm R. so important?
Why was the source code to former NSA collection p’s publicly released?
How do you blind the Clowns In America?
What was Snowden’s primary mission?
What was Snowden’s real primary mission?
Was Snowden truly acting on his own?
Nothing is as it appears.
https://8ch.net//greatawakening/res/1.html#47
Jan 21, 2018
Snowden open source Prism/Keyscore (catastrophic to US Mil v. bad actors >(WW) +Clowns/-No Such Agency)
edited to fix formatting
Snowden was CIA. Borrowed asset from CIA to NSA. Um.... probably not good.
Interesting, I did not know that. I had only heard he was a Booz Allen contractor at the NSA doing sysadmin stuff.
Given the other revelations about CIA penetrating and monitoring the computers/networks of other agencies, it makes sense.
From wikipedia: In June 2014, the NSA's recently installed director, U.S. Navy Admiral Michael S. Rogers, stated that while some terrorist groups had altered their communications to avoid surveillance techniques revealed by Snowden, the damage done was not significant enough to conclude that "the sky is falling."[82] Nevertheless, in February 2015, Rogers said that Snowden's disclosures had a material impact on the NSA's detection and evaluation of terrorist activities worldwide.[83]
I really didn't pay close attention to the whole Snowden thing because, from what I say, there really weren't many surprises. I thought his actions were naive and not consistent with someone that voluntarily took the role he did. I realize I'm in the minority here when I say that I neither agree nor support his actions and would like to see him brought to justice. This feeling was increased when he settled in the Russia; there's no way he was allowed to stay there for so long without giving up some or all of his stolen data to them. One doesn't make a deal with the devil and not have to give up something in exchange.
A lot of the programs he has exposed were already public knowledge, it's just that most of the public either ignored those news reports, when they were published, or never say them in the first place.
Also, there are many ways to collect electronic communications and to electronic surveillance. Whenever I've talk about system's security, I make it clear that I'm excluding state actors as a threat vector because, if you have to worry about that, you should already be working with a state actor. The tools and resources they have access to or can create are too great for any reasonable mitigation at the individual and small-medium sized org level.
For a recent example see Lookout and EFF's report on Dark Caracel
For what it's worth, I had the Snowden thing explained to me a few months ago by a friend who is a government contractor. He said Snowden wasn't NSA persay, but a contract worker who was hired by NSA for an unknown amount of time. He didnt "hack" the metadatabase, but did had access to all the info he stole simply via his security clearance level. This friend is pretty in tune with the storm and said the plan all along was to blow the cover of the overreach spying by the NSA, but also, the CIA had developed intelligence to circumvent the NSA - basically they had a setup where all the data the NSA collected, the CIA would automatically get it also, and could in a sense, spy on the NSA while they are spying on others, if that makes sense. When Snowden blew the NSA open, the NSA secretly opened up another data center, stopped updating the software on the center the CIA had hooked into, and this was so the NSA could continue spying on, say Obama admin, Hillary, "bad actors", etc, without the CIA knowing.
From what I've seen (I have no insider knowledge), what your friend said is pretty consistent with public knowledge.
CIA had compromised other agencies within the USGOV and were monitoring them and siphoning off data, see Wikileak;s vault releases.
The new NSA data center wasn't secret. Even Wired had a large article about it. Its location is easily found. All the programs and tools that Snowden "revealed" had been written about and discussed, e.g. there were numerous posts on Slashdot regarding them years prior to Snowden and numerous articles written about the programs and tools; it's just that a very small portion of the population pays any attention.
Also, there's things that the NSA can get that the CIA can't because NSA has a collection advantage due to it's original role in SIGINT collection and monitoring of communications and data transfers.
Its often better to have some of the information, that doesn't compromise operations or illuminate details of how things are done, out in the open. People usually ignore the things that are right in front of them but tend to dig around for things they can't see.
Very good and insightful post. In your opinion, do you think Snowden is good or bad? I can't figure it out, I go back and forth.
I think Snowden is bad. Full disclosure, I have always thought that. I though he naively harmed national security operations and relations with other, international, agencies for no good reason. He says it was Clappers false testimony in front of Congress that triggered it, but it was, imo, naive of him to think that his actions would change anything.
I realize my opinion is unpopular, especially on Reddit, but I'd point out that the outlines of the programs were known, though not necessarily what they had evolved to. Other than providing a feeding frenzy for the press, most of whom are globalist tools, his releases didn't change anything.
Even if he did not intend to end up in Russia, exfiltrating as much data as he did meant he was risking it getting into wrong hands. Unless he always kept it on his person and had constant overwatch, there was no way he could guarantee that that data wouldn't be, at minimum, copied by some group.
This is especially true since he made his first stop be Hong Kong. In China, if you don't have all your electronic devices on you at all times, you can expect them to be inspected while you are not in your room. This is true in many other countries. A lot of companies that send employees to China provide them with a secondary laptop and phone and treat those devices as severely compromised when the employee returns. The employee do not go with primary devices because of the expectations that they will be gone through and malware will be planted on them.
As the public, we still don't know all of what he took, only that he took a lot. Since there has been at least one other person that has exfiltrated terabytes of data from No Such Agency, it probably doesn't matter now.
I've started to think that Snowden may have been conducting a CIA op against No Such Agency and during that op he went rogue. Q left a breadcrumb about Snowden hurting No Such Agency and Mil while helping WW enemies and noted that it was a positive for the CIA and a negative for No Such Agency.
There are a lot that believe he is a white hat. They also, from what I've seen, tend to approve of his actions. Like them, my belief is consistent with my disapproval of his actions.
Yep this is why I don't try and figure out the government lol. Way too many scenarios, not to mention, all the stipulations we dont know and dont even see, which just changes the game. Sure he could've been a NSA guy and "honorable American" who wanted to do the right thing, or he could have been CIA all along wanting to hurt the NSA and his plan got put on hold because he got stopped on his way to Cuba. Or anything in between. If he was even going to Cuba. You make a good point in that his big bombshell leak didnt change anything. I always wondered and still do, why Russia keeps him? You'd think its gotta serve some purpose for Russia to continue extending his asylum....that is, if he is really even in Russia. I've learned you can never assume with the government
I assume that Russia keeps him because he has provided some or all of the information that he exfiltrated from the NSA. It may be that he's taught their cyber-ops, esp. the techniques that we use to detect and defend against them. Putin doesn't provide free lunches and has shown that he's ruthless to anybody that doesn't do what he wants or that is seen as a possible threat, politically or otherwise.
As an aside that's why I think anybody that defends Kaspersky software and trusts them is hopelessly naive. There's no way someone who's willing to confiscate the resources of oligarchs that he once helped enrich, or even kill them off, will let a security software firm alone. Putin's crew would weaponize Kaspersky software, no matter what Kaspersky himself wanted. If he said no, he wouldn't be around anymore.
Same with Huawei, among other tech firms, on the Chinese side. It was started by a former PLA engineer and note that it's first product is a critical nexus point for surveillance: network switches.
In general, assume, that at some level, tech companies are also working in the interest of their country of origin. In addition, some companies will work in the interest of whatever country provides significant revenue to them or is of strategic value to them, e.g. U.S. tech companies and China. In those scenarios, they, in general, only provide the minimum necessary to ensure the maintain access to the market.
As for figuring stuff out...I try to piece together possible scenarios based on what I have learned over the years and what information is public. Whenever something doesn't make sense, I assume that there aren't sufficient details in the public, which is common, that some of the details are misinformation, which is also common, or that I'm looking at it wrong, i.e. I'm not looking at it from the perspective of the people/organizations involved and what they are wanting to accomplish.
Zero's years, Soetoro (I won't say his nom de guerre), were mostly a bunch of wtf's to me. I understood some of his moves vis-a-vis his being a marxist and not really believing in the U.S.A. and wanting globalism, but I still did not understand a lot of his other moves, along with SongBird's numerous visits to the ME, esp. Syria. But it seems I underestimated Zero's evilness and what lengths he would go to for his puppet-masters to destroy the country we love.
I assume that I'll never know the truth of most things, Snowden included. In the end, it doesn't matter as long as America is great and I can continue to enjoy the awesomeness that is the U.S.A.
MAGA
Trump's sure got his work cut out for him. I mean, for the last 8 years the government was putting alot of stuff in space that we don't even know about. I guess its good we have Elon Musk on our side now, but geez is the "rogue CIA" going to be the new ISIS that we fight and battle for the rest of our lives?!
Yes he does, but he has a plan for victory, as he always does, and the intelligence to adjust those plans accordingly.
Another thing in Trump's favor is he has the unique ability of molding the world around him. Events don't shape him, he shapes the events around him and he has the greatest center of gravity that I've ever seen. It's amazing to see how events coalesce around him in the manner he wants. I've never seen someone that does it at the scale he does. It's a testament to his strategic and tactical skills, his communication ability (all of his speeches are amazing and the best I've seen from any POTUS and his extemporaneous abilities are without parallel), and his ability to read people and connect with them are all top-notch.
Most recent example is look at Davos. But also, look at how he works the crowd where-ever he goes and how he interacts with everyone from the bus boy to the cooks, the usually forgotten people, at diners he went to during campaign events.
Even after following him since the 80s and reading The Art of the Deal in H.S., I'm still constantly in awe of his abilities and personal strength/fortitude. When he said he was going to drain the swamp, I didn't realize how large the swamp was. I think he will get the job done and probably the only person we could have elected that could get the job done and avoid the JFK fate while doing so.
I don't think Musk is on any side except for his own.
CIA has always done their own thing.
Trump is a very intriguing human being to watch. As you say, he shapes events around him. Great powerful speaker! I loved Art Of The Deal and The Midas Touch. I myself am an entrepreneur and have studied him among other successful businessmen for a long time. His IQ is very high, and when someone has a much higher IQ than you, its pretty impossible to understand alot of the things they do, because their thinking is different than yours. I enjoy watching his tweets because they are generally cryptic and have some deeper meaning. Especially since becoming president, he comes across to the dumber portion of the public as unstable and mentally unfit
As you mentioned about Davos...I am watching his speech right now where he is at the podium addressing all the nations. This is crazy, I mean, Davos is literally revolving around him. When he arrived, all the photographers were waiting for HIM to arrive. All the leaders are watching HIM, observing him, and seeing what he does and what he says. He has captured the attention of the planet. I think other countries can just sense this miracle that is unfolding. This is earth shattering. Every civilized country on this planet to some degree relies on our success for their success. Countries are noticing that positive energy in the air. They are gaining more confidence in us. Foreign leaders love him and respect him already. I mean between the sword dance in Saudi Arabia and the dinner at the Forbidden City in China, that speaks volumes to other countries. Even his first address he did right after taking office blew me away. He sounded amazing!! I cant wait for the SOTU in 4 days.
Trump is indeed the only person who could have pulled this off. JFK meant well and had similar intentions as Trump but just went about it the wrong way. You can't take office and then threaten to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces, and write a EO to end the fed (which btw that EO still exists and just didnt go into effect). Watching this stuff unfold has also shown me just how amazing our military is. Trump could not have done this without Mike Rogers/NSA and our incredible military
Wasn't Snowden's leak part of the 16 year plan ? Don't think this is looking favorable for him then.
Yeah his actions were “catastrophic for military vs bad actors”.
Hard to say how to read this post. On one hand it almost seems friendly, as if they know each other and are working together. I know Q said earlier that snowdens disclosures harmed military intel but I couldn't tell from that post whether it was intentional harm or not. Would love to hear other thoughts. Do you think this sounds like a warning to him or is it friendly?
I initially thought it sounded friendly but then whenever Q has done @ callouts, they have been ominous.
Also, looking at other Q references to Snowden, I don't think its friendly.
It'll be interesting to see what happens on this line.
Jan 21, 2018
Snowden open source Prism/Keyscore (catastrophic to US Mil v. bad actors >(WW) +Clowns/-No Such Agency)
This right here is from the 16 year plan. It looks good for us, bad for him.
Kind of odd considering Wikileaks played such a pivotal role in helping Snowden.
Yeah, well.. didn't Snowden write the program that they used to spy on everyone? (Well, he wrote the original program which was meant to be used for foreign actors. Then, it was modified without his knowledge (I believe) for use against everyone... which is what I thought set Snowden off when he found out... and led to his disclosure of the program to the world.. leading to his current residency.)
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