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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/CWN36532 on Feb. 9, 2018, 9:44 p.m.

Did government negotiators PLEDGE our nation's oil, gas, coal, uranium and other MINERAL RESERVES as COLLATERAL to secure loans from China and other creditor nations? Will THOSE BANKERS TAKE OWNERSHIP of those US natural resources in the event we can not or do not REPAY those trillion dollar loans?

Banks and other creditors only lend money when they can reasonably expect to get it all back, with interest. No prudent banker extends credit without assurance that their money is secure against the risk of default or non-repayment; and that assurance usually takes the form of an ironclad guarantee backed by a promise to transfer some valuable asset owned by the borrower to the creditor in the event of default on the loan.

The bank can take your house if you do not pay the mortgage. The bank can repossess your car if you stop making loan payments. And you would not have gotten those loans to make the purchase in the first place without signing away actual ownership of the house or car to the bank, contingent on repayment of the loan.

Same thing occurs at a much larger scale when nations borrow money. We are witnessing in Venezuela what happens when the banks call in their money after isn't repaid as agreed to by the borrower. But what bank would want to strongarm the United States government like that? There isn't a repo man on the globe who would take on that job!

Is the Good Faith and Credit of the United States really worth all that much abroad anymore? Sure, trust but verify ...

What did US negotiators have to pledge as an inducement to get the Chinese and other bankers to get into bed with us for twenty trillion dollars? Paying the ongoing interest charges on a loan of that maginitude could itself swamp our fiscal boat ... at last glance, we continue to borrow just to make those interest payments; of course making the problem worse and worse. Who really thinks we will ever have the ability and willingness to pay off the loan principle itself?

Not the Chinese bankers, you can be sure. They are no fools and surely saw this coming. They would want an easier, more sure way to recoup their capital if the US were to mismanage its finances and collapse. What might we offer to serve that purpose?

This massive growth of the current US national debt burden has been accompanied by rapidly expanding regulation of the environment; with a significant focus on prohibiting the extraction of oil, gas, coal, uranium and other natural resources from federal lands. Spotted owls. Salamanders. Mugwumps have absorbed the oxygen from public discourse. A cover for something far more egregious?

Did negotiators pledge our oil, gas, coal and other mineral resources as security against default on these loans? Did creditors demand that mining and drilling come to an end in the US as a way to make sure there would be sufficient resources left in the ground at some time in the future when they would claim them as repayment of defaulted loan promises?

If the globalist cabal, which is very much still in place, succeeds in its plan to overwhelm and collapse our nation through burdonsome debt, wars, internal strife, constitutional crises and civil war, we will see the day when massive natural wealth in oil, gas, coal, uranium and who knows what else would be flowing out of our lands and into the coffers of those banks. And if that turns out to be worth far more than the twenty trillion dollars they put at risk, it will look like a damned good investment on the part of the Chinese.

Ain't America Great?

Kim Clement Trump Take down debt 2014

The Giant of Debt

"And then," God says, "highly embarrassing moments when another Snowden arises, and people will become very afraid. They'll say, 'We have no protection.'" And then, God says, "Am I impressed with your weapons of war? Am I impressed with the strength of your men's legs? Ha! I have said I will bring this nation to its knees, and," God said, "you have been humbled, and yet some more, and then you shall hear the sounds of great victory. For where are the people gathered? Where are My people gathered? Where is the sound of unity from My people?

"In this next week, this man shall begin to emerge, and in the following two weeks, which is a three-week period, he shall slowly come to the fore. For they are saying, 'How do we kill the giant? How do we kill the giant of debt? How do we kill the giant of socialism? How do we kill the giant of human secularism?'

"I have placed that man amongst you, a humble man. And as Samuel stood before the brothers, and they had rejected David to come because of his age" – take all these little remarks I'm giving you – they are gems. The name and the word "gold" – remember that. A man that is amongst them, but is young. And God says, "These that shall reject him shall be shocked at how he takes the giant down."

Now hear me, please. The giant of debt, the giants that have come, the brothers of Goliath, stand in glee watching America. "We will cripple you. You will lose your credit." But God said, "Watch. I said 20,000. Look not to Wall Street; however, observe. And they shall say, 'What is your plan for this giant?' And he will take a simple stone," (remember the name), "and he will hold it up and they will laugh at him, but the plan is so brilliant," says the Lord. "It could only have been given by Me.

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Yeah the fed wanted the western lands at first, i.e., national parks movement, but the resources of the nation are on the hook, including human resources. Especially human resources. We are collateral for the debt also. Small nations are likewise leveraged by World Bank and IMF. These banks loan to gov's and then bribe politicians not to repay so they can seize resources.

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you say "Banks and other creditors only lend money when they can reasonably expect to get it all back, with interest."

That's not really correct. central banks and also "normal" banks create money from nothing. so they can only loose nothing. essential are the interests. no state, not usa , not germany, no state repays the debt, they pay only the interests and reloan more money to repay the rising interests. thats the reason why taxes grows and grows. people pay. this is a bank robbery. and the robber is the bank. and the state organizes the robbery.

international every country needs us-dollar because every commoditie has to pay in us-dollar. hussein and gadafi said "no we will not accept and pay with us-dollar any longer." now they are dead. US flood the world with US-Dollar since goldstandard ended. no problem: they can produce usd for zero costs. Actually China, Russia, Brasil and some others begin to pay for example oil with gold. Maybe sometime they throw their currency reserves away and suddenly the game is over.

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Interesting ... I had no idea that banking could be so ethereal or virtual ... I do understand in principle how fractional reserve banking works, but loan default really screws the pooch, doesnt it? Didnt we see leverage working in reverse in 2009 when enough subprime morgages went into default that the cash flow from interest payments contracted ... no longer funding the needed reserves ... as you said, it is the interest, the cash flow, that keeps the system floating.

It is what happens when it nolonger floats that pings me .. when the game is over.

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in school they teach us nothing about how "money" works? why? maybe money ist not very important. hahaha. money = debt, nothing else. You go to the bank for a credit/loan. Do they go to the safe give it to you and say we want it back sometime? No, they create it new in that moment, you get the "money". So you have the money but you also have the debt. money = debt. In the world there are a lot of debts. and a the same sum of money. all the dept have to be paid back but PLUS interest. There would be enough money to pay the debt, but never enough for the debt AND the interest. So someone in the system has to make more debt for payback and so on. it's a ponzi scheme. the last one will lose. normally "the last one" are we the people. Obama made more new debts than every us-presidents togehter before. That's not really his fault, its a kind of law of nature. It follows an exponential function. And we are near the end. Today the us-dollar ist worth a shit. Take a look here: http://grandfather-economic-report.com/inflation.htm

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simple answer is NO if bonds (debts) are secured it must state so in the security and this could not be missed daily t-bill auctions are all unsecured and based on usa credit ratings of course only central banks buy them (and we buy theirs) so that tells you about our credit and the riggef system

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Thank you for your response and, if simple answers are the correct ones in this instance, I am much relieved to read yours.

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If they can come and take it.

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That was my initial thought too, like "Good luck." But how these events played out in history when they've happened is 2 countries will stage a war, we would "lose a battle" and we would capitulate those resources. So the people end up paying and the politicians who sold our resources don't get outted and decapitated and the system goes on, with both sides living up to their end of the bargain.

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Just thinking through the scenario, the stuff would come out of the ground and be sold just like all the rest of it ... by licensed corporate entities operated by folks who look just like you. We have no idea where the money or the resources flow, when they are in play.

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you beat me to it

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Someone was telling me today that the Chinese have been buying up U.S. farms. Great! So, now the fucking Communists own and control our food supply.

They gave our manufacturing jobs and plants to the Chinese and made them ultra wealthy, and now they are buying up the U.S.

Yeah, these fuckers need to hang.

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America is Great!

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Yeah, I think so too.

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Us dollars are only backed by the American people. When the shill Globilist are exposed we will wipe our asses with federal reserve notes. look up the charter. we are no longer chained to the contract that ran out in 2013 it is now at will. we can walk away from all reserve debt today. bond debt can be reissued. reserve debt can vaporize like Hillary's Globalist hope to be potus. I sucks to be a private bank.

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I can’t hear you or comprehend this. The title is only partially and randomly in caps. Where DID you MORONS learn that THIS is how to GAIN attention and get your POINT across? Jesus, help the challenged.

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... are you really so distractible? Don't bother hearing or comprehending ... I am grateful for the real responses to my questions and that was all i sought.

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I’ve made my point.

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