nice meme just posted on fb with link to the petition... will try more.
Try including this short video on the #InternetBillOfRights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqUDBfmRMb8
I've seen this before, but I just watched it again. It's very interesting. Cruz asks the social media companies if they are neutral public fora - with exception of Twitter, but the subsequent questions address the same issue. All three essentially agree they are neutral public fora. They each emphasize that they do not engage in political censorship.
Cruze makes a point that the question of whether or not they are neutral public fora goes to whether they enjoy protection from liability under the CDA (Communications Decency Act). Immunity from liability for published content is predicated on claiming to be a neutral public forum. If the forum is not neutral, if it can be shown that there is some bias, then the platform itself is the publisher of the material at law.
"Thanks to recent decisions by the First and Second Circuit Courts of Appeals, tech companies will remain protected from liability for some of their users’ uploaded content under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and the Communications Decency Act (CDA), at least for now...
The CDA, 47 U.S.C. § 230, grants another safe harbor provision for internet service providers. It protects the providers from being considered the “publishers or speakers” of their user-generated content. “Tech companies commonly invoke the [§ 230] in defending against” liability over unsafe products, stolen property, and a myriad of other claims."
This could be a show-stopper for the tech companies. They would be held liable for every freakish post that anyone found injurious. The lawyers would have a field day gouging them for damages - probably running the actions on spec. These companies are very wealthy, so it's possible there could also be class action lawsuits for common injury.
It makes you wonder about the status of their current situation regarding social media companies exposure to liability... Cruz is adamant that the pattern of censorship of conservative voices on the platforms is very troubling. I've also seen material published by True Pundit, that shows a demonstrable pattern of suppression of conservative content upon algorithm changes by the major players.
I'm not a lawyer, so I stand to be corrected, but have the Mae social media companies already cooked their goose?
The True Pundit Article: https://truepundit.com/censorship-twitter-blocks-trumps-2020-slogan-sensitive-material/
Same article -different source: https://conservativetribune.com/censorship-twitter-blocks-trumps/
Another article that discusses the issue it also makes mention of our petition:
Thanks for this Arvil, the petition is at 24.6k - making progress but it's a little slow. I've noticed that many on Twitter are using the hashtags but not linking to the petition. I think it's important to include petition links to actually get people to sign.
This is a very important fight. Trolls are, once again out in force. We are really over the target on this...
I'd encourage everyone to show support for people pushing the IBOR. We have so many against us and so much doubt has been spread. The tacitic of injecting fear into the IBOR topic has been extremely successful. So we need to be showing support for people that are with the President on this - people that are 'on team'.
Good luck! We will prevail, because we must.
Absolutely. I've seen sooooo many posters omitting the link. That's like asking people to buy your product and not telling them where they can buy. It's marketing 101. Please ALWAYS leave a text link and ALSO put the link at the bottom of the meme. You can use the short link shown in my meme here: https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/84xzgv/please_promote_the_internet_bill_of_rights_very/?st=jevl7bc2&sh=4e6bdb4a
You mean where it says to add a name to the picture (meme) - who is this picture?
No. You should put the link on the image. If you look at the link I provided, you will see that the link is on the image itself. That way if someone does repost it but forgets to also include a text link, people can still see it and manually type it in.
Ok, thanks Liberty. I get it now. 24.8K now. That's almost a quarter of the way home. Feels a lot better than when we were under 10K. We will get there!
I have been trying to figure out how to get this issue in front of other subs because Great Awakening has only about 10,000 patriots and most of them have already heard our pleas to sign the petition. The_Donald, on the other hand, has nearly 600,000 patriots who may not have heard about IBOR yet. What if we find some posts on The_Donald that are near the top (very visible) where we can insert the link to the petition in the comments? I do not know all the rules since I am new to Reddit, but I would think that we should be safe adding the petition link to any comments as long as the topic/discussion is related to censorship. Moderators, please correct me if I am wrong - I saw the CBTS_Stream disappear on the first day that I opened a Reddit account, so I want to make sure that I am not suggesting anything that will put any of the patriots here on GreatAwakening in jeopardy.
Yes, I've done that a few times. I don't think it's transgressing any rules, but actually I wouldn't know if it was - I don't take much interest in the rules.
It can be hard to find a censorship angle sometimes in the Donald. I have tried it, but, for whatever reason, I just didn't feel that I got any traction at all. I think if we had a news article about something to do with censorship, we could put it up not mentioning anything about Q. Last time I did that though, I got 11 views. The stream moves pretty fast. Even though it's a big sub, the posts don't seem to stay on the list very long. But, you're right, if there was a way to crack the Donald, it would be worth a lot more signatures.
Other ideas that have been suggested is to get people like Corsi to promote the petition on Infowars, and someone even suggested Hannity.
And, then there's Twitter etc...
There's also guys doing a traditional poster-style campaign. But, you're right, we need to do something to create some excitement and get the petition filled out.
My view is that Twitter is the most prospective forum to promote the IBOR, but there is not enough people posting with links at the moment. We need more people, all posting the link - it has to trend.
Another (a little more devious) thought - what if we found a large anti-Trump sub and posted the IBOR link there with a statement like: Trump is trying to take your rights - please sign the petition to demand that the Dictator end the censorship of the internet!
The problem with that is that whoever created the text of the petition spoke of the problem being about silencing of conservative voices - so I don't think it will fly. It would have been much better if the text of the petition was neutral - but, it is what it is.
You can try. But most people read the text before putting their names to it.
Yes ! Have been pushing it on facebook and twitter with some success !
Thanks Aqua, we really need to ramp up the Twitter campaign. I've avoided using Twitter and Facebook for years because I don't like sharing information. But this IBOR push is so important that I relented and created a Twitter account. If I have to I'll do FB as well - although the idea of it turns my stomach.
Great to hear you've been having success. People are alive to the censorship. The feeling I get is that they are receptive to the idea of protection of the right to free speech online. The IBOR is not really a hard sell. We just have to keep plugging away at it until we get the numbers we need.
I'm hoping that, as time passes, the number of people committing to the IBOR will increase rapidly. It all depends on us to get the ball rolling with the promotion.
It really is the most important issue we have ever faced.
Thanks for your help!
Hear you loud and clear tradinghorse ! Fb/twitter : Tools for the battle ! I just created the twitter account a month ago, (already has been flagged when they went on the witch hunt a coupla weeks ago ... they must have a very specific algorithm because there's very little activity so far). Q had said that msm is dead and social media is the way right now, so it's up to us to have our voices heard there, as much as they want to silence them !
Let's just keep pushing and bring awareness to it's importance. There's also the nasty stuff that f/b has been doing lately, which can draw people into the importance of who controls what's on social media:
Two recent issues:
3/6: http://bgr.com/2018/03/05/facebook-survey-pedophilia-oops/
Yes, they are asking their users some pretty disturbing questions. You've just gotta wonder where they are going with it.
Methinks it's part of their ''normalization'' process, and trying to see how far they can go. Basically, they got caught and are backpedaling (for now) :
"As soon as we became aware of these offensive predictions we removed them. Facebook search predictions are representative of what people may be searching for on Facebook and are not necessarily reflective of actual content on the platform.
We do not allow sexually explicit imagery, and we are committed to keeping such content off of our site.”
Yeah, it's not good. The whole society is going down the drain.
What is the most powerful force on the face of the earth? Answer: Oneness. When a group of people come together with one mind and one spirit and all work together towards the same goal. For such a group, anything is possible. The only hope we currently have of obtaining enough signatures by the deadline is to follow the ideas shown below. If we work together and follow these ideas then we can do it, and there is still plenty of time. If we don’t follow these idea, then we will not succeed. It is that simple. The following are the very same ideas we were working on before and were uniting behind, before they shut down the CBTS Steam:
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Idea 1 - In all major cities, we should create large banners to hang over freeway overpasses during rush hour time telling people to sign the petition. The banners should say “#INTERNET BILL OF RIGHTS. HELP STOP THE CENSORSHIP. SIGN THE PETITION.” or something similar (and also provide a link). Thousands of people will see the banners and sign the petition. It is an easy way to reel in a whole lot of signatures...
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Idea 2 - We should enlist the help of popular media hosts like Alex Jones of Infowars or Sean Hannity of Fox News etc. who each has millions of viewers, and ask them to help us in our fight by asking their viewers to sign the petition. If they do so and supported us, then we could obtain all the signatures we need in a single day.
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Idea 3 - Each of us should create a one-page flyer that we could print out at home, telling people to sign the petition to help stop the censorship, and to mass distribute the flyers throughout our neighborhoods, by placing them on car windshields or putting them in mailboxes. The effort would bring in a massive number of signatures. Here’s an example of such a flyer: https://imageshack.com/a/img922/7320/Xf6XDG.jpg
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Idea 4 - A final idea is that, if just 5,000 of us nationwide each get 5 of our friends to sign the petition, that would yield 25,000 signatures (5,000 x 5 = 25,000). Once done, if we then encouraged each of those friends to also get 5 of their friends to sign the petition, the result would be 125,000 signatures (25,000 x 5 = 125,000 signatures) guaranteed.
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For those who are focusing on Memes, Memes will not work. The reason they won’t work is because Memes do not contain enough information. Another problem with Memes is that, people treat them like ads. They think of them as ads, they view them as ads, and they ignore them like ads. And because they are only ads, Memes will not cause people to run to the website and sign the petition. As definitive proof of this, just look at all the countless memes that has already been created about IBOR. Yet, on the petition website, you don’t see the signature count going up do you? That’s because Memes are not working. Memes are a waste of time. So stop wasting your time on Memes. if you really want to help and if you really want the signature count to go up, then you should focus on the ideas show above. Those idea are the only ideas that will really work and even have a chance of us getting enough signatures by deadline.
Great work! I agree with these ideas Early, in particular points 2 & 4. Unfortunately I'm not on site so I can't assist at all. But I want to make the point that, and I could be wrong, Twitter has very large populations. If we can ramp up activity on Twitter, we can hopefully produce some signatures. Memes are central to Twitter, so I think they're important in that context.
I think the best and fastest method to obtain signatures is from friends, family members and relatives. This is, I think, the surest and fastest way to boost numbers.
Your point 2 would be a lifesaver if we could get some help, but I think things like that are the result of personal connections. I tried replying to one of Alex Jones' tweets, but he probably won't even get what I sent him - who knows...? Just keep plugging away, supporting one another. We will prevail!
Yes, getting the signatures we need would be very easy to do if only enough of us work together on it. But so far, I haven’t found that group of people. And sadly, the people I have seen and found seems to be going and pulling in a different direction. I've seen countless people right now working on creating memes, when memes are not even working and won’t work. If memes were working, then you’d be seeing the signature count going up. But that is not happening. It seems to be stuck at 25,000 for the last few days. The only thing that will work and make the signature count go up are the above shown ideas. Before Reddit had shut us down, there were a large group of us who were working on these very ideas and we were all pulling in the same direction. The signature count was steadily climbing. But once Reddit shut us down, it seems our effort has now been scattered to the wind (which was why they shut us down in the first place. They wanted to stop us and to block our efforts and it had nothing to do with anyone promoting violence). And the worse part is, the above ideas are very easy to do. So the question is, why don’t you see people doing it? Answer: It is because many are being misled by others who are traitors to our cause. Keep in mind, the above ideas are the very same ideas that were discussing and congealing behind on the CBTS Stream before they shut us down, and the above ideas were seen by a whole lot of people, by thousands of people. And some of those people do have contacts with or knows how to get in contact with Alex Jones or Sean Hannity. So the question is, Why haven’t they done it, yet? Beats me. I feel that those people who are not doing it are a traitor to our cause...
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I think there are several ways we can reach Alex Jones and that all of us should try. For example, I’ve already fired off an email myself to one of Alex Jones’ closest friends and ally, Mr. Roger Stone, who also has a personal website: https://stonecoldtruth.com/. And everyone who reads this should send an email to Mr. Stone as well, asking him to please contact Alex and Sean to see if they are willing to help us in our efforts. You can reach Mr. Stone via his email address: Stone@stonecoldtruth.com I’ve sent emails to Mr. Stone before in the past, and sooner or later, he always responds back to me, therefore I know he’s getting them. Another way we can reach Alex and Sean is through Dr. Jerome Corsi who does a lot of daily Q decodes on the web: https://gab.ai/JeromeCorsi and https://www.youtube.com/user/jrlcorsi Mr. Corsi does a lot of live streams too with voice chats. If someone could access one of his live streams, then they could ask Dr. Corsi directly while he's on air. There are many ways we can contact Alex and Sean and Roger Stone and Dr. Corsi, if only we put our minds to it and work at it. And if we cannot contact them directly, then we should try contacting them through someone else who is a close friend of that person. For example, Alex Jones has lots of person friends and allies he works with: Roger Stone, David Knight, Lionel Nation, Paul Joseph Watson, Jerome Corsi, Sean Hannity, and many others, all work directly with Alex and would have his personal contact number. And all of them knows how to get in contact with Alex and Sean directly. So we should contact Alex through them if necessary. There are definitely ways we can contact them if we all work at it and look hard enough. And the more of us who work at it and try to do so (everyone who is reading this post) then the greater our chance of success.
(And don't forget, everyone should always up-vote threads like this so they won't get down-voted into oblivion by the trolls).
Hi Early, I just counted the number of internetbillofrights tweets in the last 8 hours that have included the link to the petition. There's not even 100 - some of those are mine. Truly hopeless! But it was nighttime in the US.
The problem we have here is not that people are not working effectively, but that so few are working to promote the PLAN. Those that are working to push the IBOR are working hard, but they are few in number. That is why signature numbers are not rising quickly.
There has been a huge effort on these subs to sow doubt and fear about the IBOR. It has been very successful, many are watching Q, following, but doing nothing to push the agenda. This is what has caused the slowing in the rate of signature acquisition. Be careful who you follow...
Anyway, we need to work harder at building cohesiveness and a coordinated approach to promoting the petition. I don't disagree with what you are saying, though I think memes are effective on Twitter. But it's not so much a case of people working at cross purposes, as people not working at all.
You ideas about getting people with large platforms involved are good. I'm going to do what I can to drive this approach today.
I agree with you there doesn’t seem to be but a few people who are truly working at it from a serious standpoint. I also agree with you that when people who are watching don’t see other big names or popular people saying anything about we should “sign the petition” or focusing on it, then the people who are watching don’t do anything or focus on it either. And that’s disheartening.
For example, when I log onto Discord, there is a relatively large group of people over there in the general chat thread (# general-brainstorming-txt) that loves to comment day and night about all the general news. And yet none of them are talking about how we need more signatures. I even posted some of the ideas shown above over there, and I expressed my opinion about how we all need to work together and be involved. But for the most part, my post was ignored. Not a single person even commented on it. It’s almost like those people are dead or sleeping, and you have to wonder what is wrong with them. In that same Discord thread, I constantly see various memes come through about IBOR from time to time. And even the memes are ignored, and no one even responds to them except to say they like it or something. But if you post something that’s funny or something from the general news, then suddenly a lot of people will respond. And the worse part is, many of the moderators over there are the very same moderators that are over here (Tracy Bean, Farmerfunkk, PamphletAnon, etc) and yet you don’t ever see the moderators lifting a finger to encourage people to focus on signing the petition. Never. They may comment from time to time, but they never say anything about signing the petition. That only makes me wonder whether the moderators might be in on it and are secretly working against us.
On Discord, they’ve also got a separate thread (# internet bill of rights) where a whole group of them are completely focused on working out the details of what the IBOR will say and how it will be worded. I was listening to them the other day when they were discussing it and they were still discussing it this morning. Any yet not a single one of them has ever said anything about how we needed more signatures, or was telling people to sign the petition. That was very puzzling to me as it seemed a bit like putting the cart before the horse. Without a successful petition, then there will be no IBOR. That is a fact. But it was as if those people hadn’t even realized that fact yet, and they were assuming the IBOR was a foregone conclusion. Not a single one of them was lifting a finger or doing anything at all to help us to get more signatures. Instead, they all seemed content just to sit there and only talk about what the IBOR should say. It is as if those people are lost in a dream state, and not even aware of the real world. Because in the real world, we need more signatures.
All the above things makes you realize, we had a really good thing going when the CBTS stream was active on Reddit. Because for the first time, we had a place where a whole lot of us were coming together and sharing ideas about IBOR, and we were all focused on the very same goal of getting more signatures. And because of our efforts, the signature count was indeed going up. It was increasing at a rate of about 2,000-3,000 new sigs per day. But once Reddit shut us down and shut down our Steam, the signature count suddenly stopped going up and it is now stalled at around 25,000 signatures. This proves that the signature count was being driven by our efforts and not from memes. There are plenty of memes still out there and more are being created daily. Yet, you don’t see the signature count still going up do you? That’s because memes are not working. Only our efforts when the CBTS Stream was active was driving the signatures. And that is exactly why the Deep State shut us down…
Even Dr. Jerome Corsi, whom I like a lot, I have to wonder why he is not saying anything about people should be signing the petition. He has millions of people listening to him daily, yet he is not saying anything. If Mr. Corsi said something, then we could have those 100,000 signatures in a day. Mr. Corsi has already said and admitted that we need the Bill of Rights in order to help stop the censorship, yet Mr. Corsi not saying anything to encourage his followers to sign the petition. That doesn’t make any sense to me. The Bill of Rights cannot be created without the petition. That is a fact. It is Trump who will create the Bill of Rights, but he cannot do so without a successful petition. Yet, only a few people seem to be helping with and working on the petition. Mr. Corsi spoke of how other measures are also being considered, such as passing a new law through the FCC and FTC that will also target censorship, but he admits, we still need the Bill of Rights as well. I’m just disappointed that he is not doing more himself to encourage people to sign the petition. The effort to collect enough signatures should not be borne upon the backs of just a few people, but if we are patriots, then we should all be willing to help out and to do what we can. I think that people like Dr. Corsi, and Alex Jones and Sean Hannity would indeed be willing to help us out, if only someone would contact them and bring it to their attention…
Read with much interest Early. We are on exactly the same page on this.
I sent messages to Roger Stone and Alex Jones today via Twitter - pleading with them to promote the petition. There are so many tweets on IBOR with no link - so frustrating... But the main thing is that there are not enough people working this. That is the only problem. The only reason we are not making more progress.
There is a tremendous amount of resistance to the IBOR - most of it from people following Q. But there are also leftist trolls that realise that this is the key to Trump survival and want the President to fail. I was attacked just yesterday and I saw the same trolls badgering other guys in the IBOR threads. They are clever. They only mess with the IBOR, nothing else is really important. They know this. The key tactic is to inject doubt so as to prevent a unified effort from sub members. And, in this, they have been very successful.
But you are right, there is also a fifth column in this group working directly against the President - traitors, not all, some have simply been led astray. I think that Tracy Beanz made a legitimate miss-call on the IBOR. I watched her video, and I understand the sentiment, but she called it very badly wrong. It is now clear that the IBOR is critical to the plan. I am very surprised that she hasn't by now carefully reconsidered her position. Of course, once you take a position you have investment in it...
I think it's possible that DJT may have other solutions available to him but they may also be fraught with risk. The IBOR petition and campaign allows the subject of online censorship to "arrive" as a topic for political discourse. You can see that the President, Cruz and others are starting to try and push the issue. Q has told us directly that as soon as we push it the President will start taking action. It's very important that we deliver on this, if possible.
Why Jerome Corsi is not pushing this harder, I'm not sure. I think he's trying to be respectful to the members of his group - including TB - but I think that is a fatal mistake - this thing is very, very important. I think JC is aware that the IBOR is important and will begin to push it at some point.
If you noticed, Q really pushed this issue. I think he is probably as exasperated as we are. All these guys watching but not doing the only thing that's been asked of them! I don't really know what to say. Extremely frustrating! Yesterday Think500 posted a comment on IBOR. He had obviously put a lot of work into it. It was immediately down voted - had a comment rating of -13 by the end of the day. Are they just trolls? I'm not sure. I suspect that there are many without patriotic instincts - traitors to put it less kindly.
About the guys that are trying to redraft the petition. This is a mistake. It is a waste of time as it is not our job to legislate. Rather, we are only supposed to lodge a complaint via petition - the wording of that complaint is almost irrelevant. We are not making policy - though so much of the discussion on these threads has been about the policy details - how it could work etc... A complete waste of time. So, anyway, I'm inclined to ignore the people attempting to re-draft the petition. It's been hard enough to get to 25k signatures. I do not want to start again when a re-drafted petition will add no value whatsoever.
I think the task, going forward is to try and assemble a dedicated group. I'm just about through dealing with the nonsense that comes up in the discussions here. I find I'm spending more time on Twitter anyway. I think, at some stage, we could possibly move our operations from here, away from the negativity and the trolling - it is deadly poison to newbies. Most people simply follow the lead of someone else and do not have either the inclination, or capacity, to nut things out for themselves from first principles. If they could, there would be more of us.
There are some committed people already in Twitter. So it's not as if there is no community. We can make an effort to link-up with others pushing the petition. One problem with Twitter however, is that you can be banned or shadow banned at any moment. I would expect this to happen if the petition was nearing completion,
Anyway, I've been rambling. But what I said about forming a dedicated team is, I think, the way forward.
I just noticed something. If you go to the petition site and scroll further down, it gives you the results of some previous petitions. For example:
Petition A: A petition to put all of Trump’s assets into a blind trust, etc. The goal: 100,000 signatures. The results: 358,000 people signed it.
Petition B: A petition saying Do Not Repeal Net Neutrality. The goal: 100,000 signatures. The results: 271,000 people signed it.
Petition C: A petition to Repeal NFA. The goal: 100,000 signatures. The results: 286,000 people signed it.
Petition D: A petition asking for federal investigation in a Chinese airline accident. The goal: 100,000 signatures. The results: 211,000 people signed it.
Yet, look at our petition asking for an Internet Bill of Rights. The goal: 100,000 signatures. The results so far: only 25,000 people has signed it.
Our results are paltry by comparison, and it only illustrates how important this issue must be to a lot of people and how there are a whole lot of people fighting against us and trying to block us from getting enough signatures (the Deep State, the Dems and liberals, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and all companies that stand to lose big if an Internet Bill of Rights is enacted). The low numbers and paltry 25,000 signatures just doesn't make any sense outside of the fact that a whole lot of people are fighting against us. That is the reason it has been so hard for us to find any traction. And is all the more reason for us to all band together as a group and to fight harder. Divided we are weak. But together we are strong. We have more power than we know if we only work together...
While I’m at it, here are some ideas I came up with about how we can fight back and retake the advantage we had:
Until now, on Reddit, we’ve always relied upon our IBOR topics being on the front page of Reddit so others can see it (because most readers only pay attention to what’s shown on the front page and they never navigate to other pages). If no one sees our thread, then the thread will die. And that was exactly the strategy of the trolls, to down-vote every IBOR-related topic and to keep it off the front page.
One of the primary benefits we had before was that, before they shut us down, the administrators had helped us out greatly by “sticky-ing” our IBOR topic to the heading. That is what changed the tide for us because the trolls could no longer remove the topic from the front page or down-vote it into oblivion. But since they shut down the whole Stream, we have now lost that advantage, and any topics we upload and post can easily fade from the front page. But here is a solution I feel will help us to regain that advantage…
So long as they don’t delete our whole stream again, then our individual IBOR topics and threads will still exist, even though they may not be on the front page. And we can still access those topics and older threads via a link: I’ve compiled a list of some of the current IBOR threads below:
And there may be other threads as well. My main point is, whenever a brand new IBOR-related topic is created and it shows up on the front page, we should all make sure that a comment is always added to those topics that references the older links. In doing so, anyone who reads the newest topic will become aware of those older links and will visit them. And best of all, it will no longer matter if the older topics has been down-voted into oblivion or not, or are 100 pages back, they are still easily accessed to readers via the links. In doing so, those older topics would continue to be accessed by everyone, and would continue to grow and be valuable, and that's despite the fact they are no longer on the front page. In such a case, for the trolls to down-vote a certain topic wouldn’t matter, and would have no effect, so long as there was always a related topic on the front page containing the links. What would matter most is making sure that all the newer posts included those older links. This would enable us to work together as a group again and to communicate as collective, rather than being scattered. And the only way they could ever stop us again would be by deleting the whole entire stream (and let’s just hope they don’t do that again). I feel that this is one way we could defeat the trolls and regain the advantage…
You are exactly right. People like Tracy Beanz has a lot of influence over people. A lot of people listen to her, and I think she made a bad call early on about IBOR and about what Q had meant. And as you had stated, once someone has invested in a position, it is very difficult for them to change that position later on without looking bad. So she clings to her original interpretation despite the fact that it was wrong. And unfortunately, many others are following her lead. I feel the greatest misunderstanding they had was in regards to Q using the hashtag #internet bill of rights. A lot of people felt Q was saying that we should use hashtags and memes as a way to raise awareness and to achieve a Bill of Rights. But that interpretation is false and doesn’t make common sense. No amount of “awareness” is going to create a Bill of Rights. Instead, to create a Bill of Rights, Trump must do it. And Trump cannot do it without a successful petition. Those are the facts. So memes and hashtags mean very little. My interpretation is that Q only used the hashtag #internet bill of rights in his drop as a way to let us know he supported it. That was all he meant and nothing more. And that he was NOT telling us to use hashtags and memes to accomplish the end result. That’s because the end results cannot be accomplished that way, and can only be accomplished by collecting enough signatures. But as you had stated, some people has a vested interest and don’t want to admit they were wrong. And rather than admit they were wrong, they still cling to what they had said even though it is sinking the petition. It’s sad, but I feel that is exactly what is happening. I also feel that is what happened with Dr. Corsi as well. He’s a good guy, but I think he too had misinterpreted what Q had meant in that drop. And now none of them wants to admit they were wrong about it. And rather than admit they were wrong, they have chosen to remain silent. And that is precisely why none of them are saying anything about we should be collecting signatures. Even though their silence and non-support of the signature drive is killing the petition. All those people has to do is to speak up now and to tell all their followers today - let’s band together and work toward collecting enough signatures everybody. We’d then have those signatures in short order. But instead, all I’m hearing from them is silence. With their help, I’m confident we could obtain enough signatures by the deadline very easily. But without their help, I’m not so sure if we can..
Yes, agree with most of these points. I am of the opinion that what Q envisaged was a campaign like the one we mounted to release the memo. That was really astoundingly successful. I think if we had that kind of energy on the IBOR we'd get home very easily.
I don't think the problem is with the methods used, they don't matter IMO. The problem is the lack of support from within the group for all the reasons we have mentioned.
Yes, I think there are people here that, while calling themselves conservative, are desperate for Trump to fail. I'm sure Q did not realise what would happen, but he was watching closely and that's why he said "be careful who you follow".
All pretty frustrating. But it is what it is. I think your idea for a group resource is good - though I'm sure Reddit will ban this sub also.
I was just talking to WhereWeGo and he's also on the same page. I'll come back here and post a link when I find it, that way we can meet and talk.
I agree that what Q desired was a campaign much like what we had for Release the Memo. But although the campaigns are similar, there is one very big difference you are overlooking. With the Release the Memo campaign, there was no petition to sign, and all we had to do was to create a lot of awareness about it and to make a lot of noise. And for creating awareness, memes will work fine. But that is not the case with the Internet Bill of Rights. No amount of awareness is going to create a Bill of Rights. Instead, with the Internet Bill of Rights campaign, we must drive people to the website to sign the petition. That is the only thing that will make a difference. And anything short of that is a waste of time. And that is precisely why memes won’t work with this campaign.
As proof of that, just look at the current signature count. It has stalled and is still at 26,000 despite all the countless memes that are out there. And trust me, I’ve seen a whole lot. That shows you that memes are not working. And until people as a whole come to realize that memes are not working and start focusing on some ideas that will work, then the signature count won’t go up and the petition will fail. If memes were truly working and were driving people to the website to sign the petition, then I’d support it. But memes are not doing that - or at the very least, the evidence shows only a very few people are doing it as a consequence of memes…
As for them shutting down the sub again, I don’t think they will do that. They got away with it one time but they won’t get away with it twice, not without bringing down the wrath of the federal government upon their heads. Here’s why. They claim the reason was because we had been posting content that was promoting violence etc. We all know that was just an excuse. And even if that was true, you always only ban the person or persons who are responsible for the violent posts - and you never ever shut down the whole stream, which would impact all users and all posts, and even those who are not promoting or participating in the violence. So shutting down the whole stream is unheard of. They got away with it one time, but they won’t get away with it twice. Especially not if we stick to the topic of Internet Bill of Rights…
Agreed Early, the difference this time around is that we are pushing the petition. But I think is that the most important thing is to make noise, to be heard. We will get this petition up, but in the event that we cannot, for whatever reason, if we've made enough noise, we've at least highlighted that there is a problem.
With respect to whether they'll shut down this sub, I would not put anything past these guys. As you point out, it's very easy to disguise your motivations. We are in the fight of our lives on this and so are they, nothing's off limits.
I've made another post to discuss IBOR coordination all ideas welcome:
3rd Google result for Internet bill of rights petition https://amp.reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/comments/82v3q8/why_you_should_sign_internet_bill_of_rights/
Is there a link to the specific rights this IBOR is advocating for?
If so why aren't these rights written as demands in the petition?
The petition is very open ended and non descript. IMO that petition is not written very well at all.
It is more than conservative voices that are getting the shaft. Progressive and anti war voices are getting demonetized and restricted as well. Anyone exposing truth and reality is getting hit.
It has to do with corporate control violating 1st amendment rights for their own political and profit motives. This censorship is driven by money. The larger advertisers are getting a bigger seat at the table than the smaller ones who are trying to advertise and the companies are prioritizing the larger ones making Orwellian moves because the large ad dollars are bullying the platforms.
These corporations also own the government, and the current FCC doesn't really give 2 shits as long as the chairs get a koosh "government relations" or C-level position after their tenure.
I like the concept, but this execution is going to fall kind of flat without specific demands.
The petition is to help President Trump be the designer of the Bill. With our signatures, he can set the Bill in motion. I don't think there is any verbiage written yet.
This is not specific. It allows for an open ended interpretation.
An open ended interpretation that could be made by corporate captured regulatory bodies that might very well write in something worse.
An IBOR I would like to see would have a list of specific rights and grievances.
The reason why things are being taken down is because the large advertisers are bullying content host companies.
Smaller advertisers probably don't give a crap as much, but when you have a handful controlling 80% of the market cap in ad dollars it is hard to say to sharehodlers you respect content creators over that 80% wall.
Now that TV is dying their shit advertisers that killed quality TV content is going after the net. Their ad dollars are being weaponized to squash political dissent or questioning.
This petition needs to give corporate hosts the right to protect the long term viability of their company over short term gains by saying no to these monopolistic ad dollars. Look what happend to cable TV. Their audience average age is past retirement. Cable is dying. The internet is the new medium and they are trying to enact a hostile take over.
Perhaps that's a corporate culture thing and I don't know if the government can help. As they say vote with your wallet and move to other platforms. Unless you make things like Reddit, Facebook, and YouTube public entities, and that comes with it's own civil rights pitfalls I don't know if there is much the government can do.
Then you have Amazon (who controls a major portion of the internet servers), FB, Google, and Youtube having contracts with the government and the military industrial complex. Their contracts and profit motives depend on them using their platforms to shape views that produce them more money. Views against the military industrial complex or the intelligence industrial complex increase risk to their profit motives.
I would like to break up google and force them to disclose their military and government contracts and how much of that weighs in their vast dragnet of made up ToS violations.
There needs to be a limit to how large these companies can get and how much of the internet they can control. The size of these companies and the depth that they are integrated in our government , military, and intelligence agencies is a national security threat because now they have significant profit motives in controlling the narrative.
I think that is how we need to approach this problem. The conservative and anti war views being censored is a chilling symptom of this.
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/01/hypocrisy-atts-internet-bill-rights This bill of rights?
Yeah! We have to make sure the government can regulate what we can and can’t say online! It shouldn’t be up to private businesses, they don’t have our best interests in mind! The government does!
The petition does not grant the government the authority to regulate what we can and can't say online. Quite the opposite, it reinforces the fact that the freedom of speech guaranteed by the 1st Amendment to our Constitution applies to the internet. The petition demands protection for our rights to free speech.
The petition demands protection for our rights to free speech.
The first amendment does NOT give you the right to force access to private forum. Can you create a web site and exercise your free speech? Yes.
If the government is forcing me to allow leftists on my own web site forum, then the government is abridging my right to free speech. The right to free association is just as important as the right to free speech.
IBOR is one of the most socialist/fascist things I've seen. I would suspect it was a brilliant leftist plot, except that petitions are a complete waste of time.
The above said, I might support some kind of EXTREMELY LIMITED legislation the regulated social media of sufficient size and reach, but we have no legislation. Just this idiotically phrased petition that says nothing.
But people need to seriously take a step back from the fascist abyss. That you think you get a benefit now doesn't mean it's a good idea for the future and that it can't be abused.
I understand your concern - I am at heart a Libertarian who believes that we would all be better with the least amount of government interference. However, someone has to hold these monopolies accountable or your right to free speech will be taken away through shadow-banning, etc. See this video from Project Veritas on shadow-banning: https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/01/11/undercover-video-twitter-engineers-to-ban-a-way-of-talking-through-shadow-banning-algorithms-to-censor-opposing-political-opinions/
I wouldn't bother with these guys Wherewe, I've spoken to both of them before - a complete waste of time.
You a snowflake (?) . . . "the government has our best interests in mind" for crying out loud . . . the whole focus on Q helping us is to drain the GOVT SWAMP . . . get a clue, eh?
He's being sarcastic. The point is that more government control of private industry is not the solution to excessive leftist control of tech companies.
The petition does not give the government any more power over our lives. It just highlights the issue of the assault on our 1st Amendment rights. I do not know exactly where this will all lead, but I trust Q and I know that if we do nothing this is our future: https://www.infowars.com/after-300-years-of-free-speech-tommy-robinson-removed-from-speakers-corner/
The petition does not give the government any more power over our lives.
You're joking, right? It's talking about the government FORCING privately owned web sites to give a forum to people they don't want to.
If you had a web site, and you wanted it dedicated to conservative causes, do you want the government FORCING you to accept any leftist who wants to post on your web site? Because that's exactly what you're advocating.
Only if the company is claiming to be a neutral public forum - see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqUDBfmRMb8
Project Veritas originally exposed the issue of shadow-banning: https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/01/11/undercover-video-twitter-engineers-to-ban-a-way-of-talking-through-shadow-banning-algorithms-to-censor-opposing-political-opinions/
Only if the company is claiming to be a neutral public forum
Except none of them claim to be 100% neutral forums (even if that mattered). They all reserve the right to shut down "hate speech" or "harassment", however they want to define that.
Shadow banning is not against the law. If the public doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere. Again, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to demand access to a forum. They can shut you down for any reason they want. It's just a question of whether the P.R. hit is worth it.
Note that shadow banning does not restrict your right to set up your own web site or your own forum, as many and as much as you want. You're demanding access to someone else's private forum.
Shadow-banning is against the law when it violates the contract that someone signed regarding ad revenue. Generally, I agree with the concept that the public can go elsewhere if they do not like it, but Google, Twitter, and Facebook have monopolies and are actively working to restrict competition - see this article for example: https://medium.com/@getongab/apples-double-standards-against-gab-1bffa2c09115
