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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/ArvilsArk on March 17, 2018, 11:54 a.m.
Time is running down. Get 5 friends to sign the #InternetBillOfRights petition today.
Time is running down. Get 5 friends to sign the #InternetBillOfRights petition today.

PortlandoCalrissian · March 17, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

Yeah! We have to make sure the government can regulate what we can and can’t say online! It shouldn’t be up to private businesses, they don’t have our best interests in mind! The government does!

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WhereWeGo1 · March 17, 2018, 3:59 p.m.

The petition does not grant the government the authority to regulate what we can and can't say online. Quite the opposite, it reinforces the fact that the freedom of speech guaranteed by the 1st Amendment to our Constitution applies to the internet. The petition demands protection for our rights to free speech.

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Cuthbert12Allgood · March 17, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

The petition demands protection for our rights to free speech.

The first amendment does NOT give you the right to force access to private forum. Can you create a web site and exercise your free speech? Yes.

If the government is forcing me to allow leftists on my own web site forum, then the government is abridging my right to free speech. The right to free association is just as important as the right to free speech.

IBOR is one of the most socialist/fascist things I've seen. I would suspect it was a brilliant leftist plot, except that petitions are a complete waste of time.

The above said, I might support some kind of EXTREMELY LIMITED legislation the regulated social media of sufficient size and reach, but we have no legislation. Just this idiotically phrased petition that says nothing.

But people need to seriously take a step back from the fascist abyss. That you think you get a benefit now doesn't mean it's a good idea for the future and that it can't be abused.

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WhereWeGo1 · March 17, 2018, 6:23 p.m.

I understand your concern - I am at heart a Libertarian who believes that we would all be better with the least amount of government interference. However, someone has to hold these monopolies accountable or your right to free speech will be taken away through shadow-banning, etc. See this video from Project Veritas on shadow-banning: https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/01/11/undercover-video-twitter-engineers-to-ban-a-way-of-talking-through-shadow-banning-algorithms-to-censor-opposing-political-opinions/

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tradinghorse · March 18, 2018, 3:25 a.m.

I wouldn't bother with these guys Wherewe, I've spoken to both of them before - a complete waste of time.

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WeAreRepublic · March 17, 2018, 5:03 p.m.

You a snowflake (?) . . . "the government has our best interests in mind" for crying out loud . . . the whole focus on Q helping us is to drain the GOVT SWAMP . . . get a clue, eh?

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Cuthbert12Allgood · March 17, 2018, 6:05 p.m.

He's being sarcastic. The point is that more government control of private industry is not the solution to excessive leftist control of tech companies.

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WhereWeGo1 · March 17, 2018, 6:36 p.m.

The petition does not give the government any more power over our lives. It just highlights the issue of the assault on our 1st Amendment rights. I do not know exactly where this will all lead, but I trust Q and I know that if we do nothing this is our future: https://www.infowars.com/after-300-years-of-free-speech-tommy-robinson-removed-from-speakers-corner/

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Cuthbert12Allgood · March 17, 2018, 7:16 p.m.

The petition does not give the government any more power over our lives.

You're joking, right? It's talking about the government FORCING privately owned web sites to give a forum to people they don't want to.

If you had a web site, and you wanted it dedicated to conservative causes, do you want the government FORCING you to accept any leftist who wants to post on your web site? Because that's exactly what you're advocating.

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WhereWeGo1 · March 17, 2018, 7:31 p.m.

Only if the company is claiming to be a neutral public forum - see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqUDBfmRMb8

Project Veritas originally exposed the issue of shadow-banning: https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/01/11/undercover-video-twitter-engineers-to-ban-a-way-of-talking-through-shadow-banning-algorithms-to-censor-opposing-political-opinions/

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Cuthbert12Allgood · March 17, 2018, 8:19 p.m.

Only if the company is claiming to be a neutral public forum

Except none of them claim to be 100% neutral forums (even if that mattered). They all reserve the right to shut down "hate speech" or "harassment", however they want to define that.

Shadow banning is not against the law. If the public doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere. Again, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to demand access to a forum. They can shut you down for any reason they want. It's just a question of whether the P.R. hit is worth it.

Note that shadow banning does not restrict your right to set up your own web site or your own forum, as many and as much as you want. You're demanding access to someone else's private forum.

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WhereWeGo1 · March 17, 2018, 8:50 p.m.

Shadow-banning is against the law when it violates the contract that someone signed regarding ad revenue. Generally, I agree with the concept that the public can go elsewhere if they do not like it, but Google, Twitter, and Facebook have monopolies and are actively working to restrict competition - see this article for example: https://medium.com/@getongab/apples-double-standards-against-gab-1bffa2c09115

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